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Texas EquuSearch was op orders van Dave Holloway begonnen met zoeken in het water en kwam met de "Fishcage" melding.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 01:39 schreef Brammetje het volgende:
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Dat er viskooien en touw zijn gestolen zijn heeeel erg interessant, maar mocht dit zo zijn dan kan ik me niet voorstellen dat Peter dit in zijn vorige uitzending niet heeft genoemd. Deze bewering dat die viskooien zijn gestolen is dit iets wat uit het politie onderzoek komt?
iig interessante materie allemaal!
POSTED: 10:53 am CST January 11, 2006
UPDATED: 11:10 am CST January 11, 2006
HOUSTON -- The founder of Texas EquuSearch said he and a team of divers from Florida will travel to Aruba after investigators there revealed they might know where to find the body of a missing Alabama teen, KPRC Local 2 reports.
Natalee Holloway disappeared in June while on a high school class trip to Aruba. She has not been seen since.
On Friday, EquuSearch founder Tim Miller and a deepwater search team from Florida will travel back to Aruba to search an area three to five miles off the island's coast that is between 800 to 1,000 feet deep.
Miller told KPRC Local 2 that Aruba's police commissioner told him that he feels Holloway might be inside a fish trap dropped deep into the water.
"The night she disappeared is the same night a fisherman's hut got broken into and a huge fish trap got stolen. Some big knives got stolen, and none of it has been found since," Miller said.
The cage the commissioner referred to is similar a crab trap people could buy at a hardware store.
"If she is, in fact, in that huge fish-trap like we think there is a possibility, I am optimistic that the equipment we've got will be bringing Natalee back," Miller said.
Zeer interessant verhaal en een goede OP; ik kende het nog niet.
Daarom een TVP om het morgen naast de uitzending te kunnen leggen.
Daarom een TVP om het morgen naast de uitzending te kunnen leggen.
Steve Croes, de man met de achthoekige bril: Jeremy Croes aka Jerry Strawberry, Geoffrey Von Croimvort en Joran: Connect the dots.
The AP report does not mention of the story from last week about Aruban authorities looking for a 20-year-old man who allegedly harassed a woman on the same beach nine days before American teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared, but their proximity could be relevant.
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The AP report does not mention of the story from last week about Aruban authorities looking for a 20-year-old man who allegedly harassed a woman on the same beach nine days before American teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared, but their proximity could be relevant.
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Even volgen en even kijken waar Peer French Fries mee komt morgen.
Zou toch fijn zijn als dit er in voor kwam, anders is het toch een stuk om rekening mee te houden.... Een lijk wat niet gevonden is, toch niet geheel onbelangrijk in een "moord" zaak
Zou toch fijn zijn als dit er in voor kwam, anders is het toch een stuk om rekening mee te houden.... Een lijk wat niet gevonden is, toch niet geheel onbelangrijk in een "moord" zaak
All management is Strategic Management.
Zou nog een dicht bij de waarheid kunnen liggen dit! interessant is het zeker
Rockwerchter, Noorwegen, Spanje
Hieronder de compositietekening die gemaakt is door Tracy Allen, een vrouw die een week voor Natalee Holloways verdwijning werd aangerand op hetzelfde strand. Ze is daarbij ontkomen en heeft een schets gemaakt van de dader.
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Ik zie Joran niet op die foto hoor. Die vent met het octagonale brilletje herinner ik me, evenals dat er een Amerikaanse toeriste door hem aangerand zou zijn. Nooit meer iets over gehoord, terwijl die jongen toch perfect op dat signalement leek.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 02:16 schreef renegade808 het volgende:
Steve Croes, de man met de achthoekige bril: Jeremy Croes aka Jerry Strawberry, Geoffrey Von Croimvort en Joran: Connect the dots.
en tot slot, de transcripts van het MSNBC interview met Tracy Allen: de vrouw die een week voor Natalees verdwijning werd aangerand door bovenstaande man op hetzelfde strand.
COSBY: And LIVE AND DIRECT right now is Tracy Allan. She is the woman who fought off an attack on that Aruban beach. This is her first TV interview since that sketch has been released.
You know, Tracy, I am stunned. Here it is, it's almost a year. You reported this incident the day it happened, nine days before Natalee vanishes, and they've just now put out a sketch? What do you make of that?
TRACY ALLAN, ASSAULTED IN ARUBA: Well, I think I was a little naive. I thought that they would handle it from the beginning and it was only when I decided to go to the press that they are following up on this case.
COSBY: Let's talk about what happened to you. May 21, again, nine days before Natalee vanished, you were what, near the Fisherman's Hut and what happened?
ALLAN: I went for an early morning walk and I went by the Fisherman's Hut, which is still; the wind surfing area. A gentleman, a man accosted me and luckily fishermen arrived at the same time the assault started. And he realized it wasn't going to go any further. There were witnesses. He got very agitated and threatened me and fled. And then I ran back to the hotel and had the manager call the police.
COSBY: You said he assaulted you. What did he try to do and what was he wearing and what did he say?
ALLAN: He was wearing just a shirt, but it was not a flashing. He was beckoning me towards his car, he grabbed my arms several times and I just held my ground and would not move towards his car, which agitated him and he fled. He threatened me first and then he fled.
COSBY: How worried were you and what do you think he wanted?
ALLAN: I knew for sure that if I did what he said I would at least get raped and probably abducted. His car was running so he was trying to get me to his car. I was scared for my life.
COSBY: This is stunning. This happens to you and again the fisherman said I was out there in Aruba. This is where we heard from the boy that is Natalee may have been and this is an area that has been a point of interest. We're looking at pictures now. I don't know if you can see this, this is where you were, right?
ALLAN: Yes. That's correct.
COSBY: So nine days before Natalee vanishes, you go to the police. What was their reaction?
ALLAN: I gave a statement, I signed the statement and they said they would look into it and I didn't hear anything at all. When Joran Van der Sloot, the story changed and he said he left her there, up to that point I thought he left her at the Holiday Inn. But that's when I really got involved. I had already contacted the FBI. I already tried several times to contact the Aruban police and got in contact and tried to get a hold of the Holloway and Twitty family.
So when the story changed then I contacted Tim Miller of Equisearch and he was the who started pressuring the Aruban law enforcement to look into this case. And it still didn't happen until we decided to go to the press.
COSBY: This is stunning to me. You go to the Aruba authorities and then nine days later this happens with Natalee and they get the details soon after that and you still don't get any calls back at all from the Aruban authorities?
ALLAN: No, no.
COSBY: What the FBI say to you?
ALLAN: The FBI took a statement and didn't contact me again until December 2 is when I did the sketch.
COSBY: Let's take a look at the sketch. Because I want to put this up again. This is a sketch that you basically contributed towards. When you look at this guy, do you have any idea, is this like a local guy, do you have any idea who this man is?
ALLAN: I believe he is local, yes. He had a car, he had an older car. It wouldn't have been a rental and he had the physical characteristics of an Aruban.
COSBY: And do you believe this man is capable - obviously he sounds like a very dangerous man? Capable of raping and killing?
ALLAN: Yes, definitely. It was only for lack of opportunity that I feel I escaped. I'm sure that other women have seen him or come in contact with him and I hope they will come forward. I am hoping that the Aruban police will take it seriously enough to try to get information on this man and see it to its end.
COSBY: How disappointed are you with this investigation by Aruban authorities?
ALLAN: I'm very disappointed because the more times that goes by, the more opportunity he has. I never—I don't know if it's related or not, but any evidence—further time goes by, there is less evidence if it is related.
COSBY: If you saw this man again, if they could locate this man, and you saw this man again, would you remember his face, would you be able to I.D. him?
ALLAN: Yes, absolutely. I was with him for about four minutes, about eight inches away for four minutes and I could identify him, no problem.
COSBY: And Tracy, in your gut, do you believe it may be related? The same beach, nine days later?
ALLAN: It very well could be. Very well could be. I just hope they find him for the safety of all the women on the island. The Aruban women should demand safety on their beaches too. I don't think he cared if I was American or not. He was looking for an opportunity. He's a sexual predator. He needs to be caught.
COSBY: Tracy Allan, I'm glad you got away unscathed and did the right thing to report it to reports and shame on them for not responding sooner.
ALLAN: Thank you. I agree.
COSBY: Thank you for being with us tonight.
ALLAN: Thank you.
COSBY: And LIVE AND DIRECT right now is Tracy Allan. She is the woman who fought off an attack on that Aruban beach. This is her first TV interview since that sketch has been released.
You know, Tracy, I am stunned. Here it is, it's almost a year. You reported this incident the day it happened, nine days before Natalee vanishes, and they've just now put out a sketch? What do you make of that?
TRACY ALLAN, ASSAULTED IN ARUBA: Well, I think I was a little naive. I thought that they would handle it from the beginning and it was only when I decided to go to the press that they are following up on this case.
COSBY: Let's talk about what happened to you. May 21, again, nine days before Natalee vanished, you were what, near the Fisherman's Hut and what happened?
ALLAN: I went for an early morning walk and I went by the Fisherman's Hut, which is still; the wind surfing area. A gentleman, a man accosted me and luckily fishermen arrived at the same time the assault started. And he realized it wasn't going to go any further. There were witnesses. He got very agitated and threatened me and fled. And then I ran back to the hotel and had the manager call the police.
COSBY: You said he assaulted you. What did he try to do and what was he wearing and what did he say?
ALLAN: He was wearing just a shirt, but it was not a flashing. He was beckoning me towards his car, he grabbed my arms several times and I just held my ground and would not move towards his car, which agitated him and he fled. He threatened me first and then he fled.
COSBY: How worried were you and what do you think he wanted?
ALLAN: I knew for sure that if I did what he said I would at least get raped and probably abducted. His car was running so he was trying to get me to his car. I was scared for my life.
COSBY: This is stunning. This happens to you and again the fisherman said I was out there in Aruba. This is where we heard from the boy that is Natalee may have been and this is an area that has been a point of interest. We're looking at pictures now. I don't know if you can see this, this is where you were, right?
ALLAN: Yes. That's correct.
COSBY: So nine days before Natalee vanishes, you go to the police. What was their reaction?
ALLAN: I gave a statement, I signed the statement and they said they would look into it and I didn't hear anything at all. When Joran Van der Sloot, the story changed and he said he left her there, up to that point I thought he left her at the Holiday Inn. But that's when I really got involved. I had already contacted the FBI. I already tried several times to contact the Aruban police and got in contact and tried to get a hold of the Holloway and Twitty family.
So when the story changed then I contacted Tim Miller of Equisearch and he was the who started pressuring the Aruban law enforcement to look into this case. And it still didn't happen until we decided to go to the press.
COSBY: This is stunning to me. You go to the Aruba authorities and then nine days later this happens with Natalee and they get the details soon after that and you still don't get any calls back at all from the Aruban authorities?
ALLAN: No, no.
COSBY: What the FBI say to you?
ALLAN: The FBI took a statement and didn't contact me again until December 2 is when I did the sketch.
COSBY: Let's take a look at the sketch. Because I want to put this up again. This is a sketch that you basically contributed towards. When you look at this guy, do you have any idea, is this like a local guy, do you have any idea who this man is?
ALLAN: I believe he is local, yes. He had a car, he had an older car. It wouldn't have been a rental and he had the physical characteristics of an Aruban.
COSBY: And do you believe this man is capable - obviously he sounds like a very dangerous man? Capable of raping and killing?
ALLAN: Yes, definitely. It was only for lack of opportunity that I feel I escaped. I'm sure that other women have seen him or come in contact with him and I hope they will come forward. I am hoping that the Aruban police will take it seriously enough to try to get information on this man and see it to its end.
COSBY: How disappointed are you with this investigation by Aruban authorities?
ALLAN: I'm very disappointed because the more times that goes by, the more opportunity he has. I never—I don't know if it's related or not, but any evidence—further time goes by, there is less evidence if it is related.
COSBY: If you saw this man again, if they could locate this man, and you saw this man again, would you remember his face, would you be able to I.D. him?
ALLAN: Yes, absolutely. I was with him for about four minutes, about eight inches away for four minutes and I could identify him, no problem.
COSBY: And Tracy, in your gut, do you believe it may be related? The same beach, nine days later?
ALLAN: It very well could be. Very well could be. I just hope they find him for the safety of all the women on the island. The Aruban women should demand safety on their beaches too. I don't think he cared if I was American or not. He was looking for an opportunity. He's a sexual predator. He needs to be caught.
COSBY: Tracy Allan, I'm glad you got away unscathed and did the right thing to report it to reports and shame on them for not responding sooner.
ALLAN: Thank you. I agree.
COSBY: Thank you for being with us tonight.
ALLAN: Thank you.
Renegade, hier de foto met de compositietekening die je wilde posten (het linkje doet het niet, probeer Ctrl-F5 maar eens):
Joran staat met Steve Croes op de foto waar je nu een kikker ziet. Ben de link ff kwijt, zal ff zoeken.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 03:33 schreef dvr het volgende:
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Ik zie Joran niet op die foto hoor. Die vent met het octagonale brilletje herinner ik me, evenals dat er een Amerikaanse toeriste door hem aangerand zou zijn. Nooit meer iets over gehoord, terwijl die jongen toch perfect op dat signalement leek.
thanks mate, ik was net iets eerderquote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 03:36 schreef dvr het volgende:
Renegade, hier de foto met de compositietekening die je wilde posten (het linkje doet het niet, probeer Ctrl-F5 maar eens):
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heb je misschien ook de foto waar nu de kikker staat?
Freddy Arambatzis was een buurjongen van Joran. Ik weet alleen niet zeker of hij er bij was die nacht. Hij is wel gearresteerd omdat hij pornografisch materiaal van meiden verkocht. (source: scaredmonkeys.net)quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 03:54 schreef dvr het volgende:
Was Freddy nou in Joran's tuinhuisje blijven slapen die nacht of niet, herinner jij je dat nog?
Nee, momenteel zit ik in Boston. Kan de uitzending morgen gelukkig wel bekijken omdat mijn neef 'm streamt vanuit Rotterdamquote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 04:19 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
Renegade, verblijf jij op Aruba of...?
ik denk ook dat steve er zeker mee te maken heeft net als Paulus maar daarentegen kan de vriend met het bootje ook 1 of allebei de broertjes Gottenbos zijn die zijn vlak na de verdwijning namelijk ook gezien terwijl ze de boot helemaal grondig aan het schoonmaken waren en die boot van hun hebben ze ook heel snel daarna verkocht en ze zijn ook nog eens nog geen jaar na de verdwijning als ik het goed heb verhuisd naar Amerika.
check dit ook eens even http://forensicthoughtprints.com/ is best interresant is de page van Dr. Andrew Hodges een forensies profiler/psychiater
Vroeg het vanwege je vele info en foto's en omdat ik momenteel wel op Aruba zit.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 04:21 schreef renegade808 het volgende:
Nee, momenteel zit ik in Boston. Kan de uitzending morgen gelukkig wel bekijken omdat mijn neef 'm streamt vanuit Rotterdam
Ik kijk maandag dus wel naar ABC hier (als dat nog nodig is...)
He Renegade jij weet ook aardig veel van de zaak af he ik vroeg mij af is steve croes toevallig familie van Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes( agent bij de arubaanse politie die de verhoren deed)?
Inderdaad interessant. En ergens ook wel een logisch verhaal. Het idee dat er meer jongens bij betrokken waren (gangrape) en dat Joran voornamelijk ingehuurd werd om de meisjes dronken te voeren en mee te lonken. Je krijgt echt een beeld van al die verwende jongens op een eiland waarbij de normen aardig aan het vervagen zijn.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 04:29 schreef ciskebab het volgende:
check dit ook eens even http://forensicthoughtprints.com/ is best interresant is de page van Dr. Andrew Hodges een forensies profiler/psychiater
Joran wil wel heel graag bij het foute wereldje behoren. Dat liet hij gisteren ook weer merken in het interview met Pauw & Witteman. Hij vond zijn nieuwe vriend zo interessant omdat die dingen deed die hij (nog) niet durfde.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
Koen (de oudste) was de bewuste nacht in Florida. Waterdicht alibi. De boot was kapot en kon absoluut niet varen omdat er een nieuw onderdeel besteld was.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 04:24 schreef ciskebab het volgende:
ik denk ook dat steve er zeker mee te maken heeft net als Paulus maar daarentegen kan de vriend met het bootje ook 1 of allebei de broertjes Gottenbos zijn die zijn vlak na de verdwijning namelijk ook gezien terwijl ze de boot helemaal grondig aan het schoonmaken waren en die boot van hun hebben ze ook heel snel daarna verkocht en ze zijn ook nog eens nog geen jaar na de verdwijning als ik het goed heb verhuisd naar Amerika.
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