[911] Meningen en argumenten # 11 - Let's roll... to Iran?

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Op zaterdag 19 januari 2008 08:42 schreef Torah het volgende:
Brand is niet de oorzaak volgens NIST van 17 december 2007.

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Op zaterdag 19 januari 2008 09:48 schreef Lambiekje het volgende:
Nee. Dat is nu eenmaal een effect van EMP of zoals Hutchison heeft laten zien.

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Beyond a certain altitude a nuclear weapon will not produce any EMP, as the gamma rays will have had sufficient distance to disperse. In deep space or on worlds with no magnetic field (the moon or Mars for example) there will be little or no EMP

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Op zaterdag 19 januari 2008 09:56 schreef Lambiekje het volgende:

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Dan stel ik voor om vanaf nu alle gebouwen wereldweid van voor 1985 te slopen die meer dan 5 verdiepingen hebben. Tja de veiligheid kan niet gewaarborgd worden. Als al een zeer sneu prullebakbrandje de beide torens kan instorten.

Als dat niet gebeurd. Dan is dit een hypothese van het belangenverstrengelende NIST, bogus tot op de laatste letter.

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Op zaterdag 19 januari 2008 10:03 schreef Lambiekje het volgende:

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ja want dat is tentoongesteeld op 911. Ik heb GEEN brand gezien. En bovendien als de brandjes binnen een halfuur uit zichzelf uit gaan dat noem ik geen brand.

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Now, World Trade Center 7 was burning and I was thinking to myself, how come they�re not trying to put this fire out? I didn�t realize how much they had because my view was obstructed. All I could see was the upper floor. At some point, Frank Fellini said, now we�ve got hundreds of guys out there, hundreds and hundreds, and that�s on the West Street side alone. He said to me, Nick, you�ve got to get those people out of there. I thought to myself, out of where? Frank, what do you want, Chief? He answered, 7 World Trade Center, imminent collapse, we�ve got to get those people out of there.

I was looking at the mass of people out there. There was no unit identification. I felt that I was losing control over this thing to begin with and now he was telling me to get them out of there. I was thinking, how the hell am I going to do this? There were a couple of chiefs out there who I knew and I called them individually. I said to them, listen, start backing those people out, we need them back up to the command post. While this was going on, I saw individual company officers. I was whistling, Captain, bring your guys this way.

I was getting some resistance. The common thing was, hey, we�ve still got people here, we don�t want to leave. I explained to them that we were worried about 7, that it was going to come down and we didn�t want to get anybody trapped in the collapse. One comment was, oh, that building is never coming down, that didn�t get hit by a plane, why isn�t somebody in there putting the fire out? A lot of comments, a bit of resistance, understandable resistance.

Now, it got to the point where I had some people moving, but there was still a tremendous number of people who were not moving. Here�s what I decided to do � there was a company there and I grabbed the officer. I said, I need you and your guys. There was a guy, Danny Messina from the 14th Division, with me the whole day and I sent him out as a runner. I said OK, go out, see that group over there, grab them, get somebody�s whose in charge, get one of the bosses, tell them we�re backing out of here. I sent him to these different places and I don�t know how long it took, 40 minutes, half an hour, an hour, I don�t know, but we started to get them out.

As I was getting them out, they were asking, where do you want us to go? Then somebody tipped me off, tell them to go to the North Cove Marina, that�s where the water was, tell them that go out that way. I said there�s a North Cove Marina and I think they had already started setting up water and triage and stuff, so we sent them out that way and it took a while. There were individual stragglers and everybody was walking this way and then some guy would walk in, we�d have to get to him.

I got a chief. I said, stand here, if you see anybody out there, get them back. I had to get the guys away from the north pedestrian walkway. There were a lot of people out there.

I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank. He said, we�re moving the command post over this way, that building�s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn�t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up � and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run.

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Op zaterdag 19 januari 2008 10:16 schreef Torah het volgende:

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Pagina 6, ene laatste regel Wombcat.

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The working hypothesis is based on an initial local failure caused by normal building fires, not fires from leaking pressurized fuel lines or fuel from day tanks.

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Op zaterdag 19 januari 2008 10:27 schreef Torah het volgende:

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Helemaal juist gezien!

Er is altijd vastgehouden (eigenlijk al ergens vlak na 9/11) aan de stelling dat het instorten van WTC-7 werd veroorzaakt door een verzwakking van de strucctuur door enorme branden in de diesel voorraadtanks. Daar is NIST dus vanaf gestapt.