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Op zondag 6 januari 2008 16:53 schreef voyeur het volgende:
"During the day of her disappearance they had all gone for a walk, played tennis, and taken some more snapshots for the family album before relaxing by the pool." Ik dacht dat de huidige lezing van Team McCann was dat de kinderen in de cheche waren die dag?
Dat hebben ze allemaal gedaan in dat kwartiertje quality-time na vijven, wat dacht jij dan? Een man als Gerry, die met gemak 7 tennislessen op een dag volgt, heeft aan anderhalve minuut relaxen bij het zwembad echt wel genoeg. Intussen neemt hij die snapshots (multitasking is his middle name) en daarna jaagt hij die wandeling er doorheen. Blijven er nog acht minuten over voor een tennisles én het graven van een diepe kuil aan het strand. Oh nee, dat had hij de dag ervoor, op 2 mei, al gedaan. Of eh... sorry, het duizelt me een beetje
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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 00:15 schreef Nadine26 het volgende:

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Dat hebben ze allemaal gedaan in dat kwartiertje quality-time na vijven, wat dacht jij dan? Een man als Gerry, die met gemak 7 tennislessen op een dag volgt, heeft aan anderhalve minuut relaxen bij het zwembad echt wel genoeg. Intussen neemt hij die snapshots (multitasking is his middle name) en daarna jaagt hij die wandeling er doorheen. Blijven er nog acht minuten over voor een tennisles én het graven van een diepe kuil aan het strand. Oh nee, dat had hij de dag ervoor, op 2 mei, al gedaan. Of eh... sorry, het duizelt me een beetje
Een goede samenvatting wat Gerry op die dag zoal heeft uitgevreten...

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Ondertussen... gelezen op het Mirror-froum, de krant Correio da Manhã, met meestal accurate info zonder al te veel sensatie:

Exclusive Correio da Manhã
2008-01-7

Maddie's case

Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed

The final result of the tests that arrived recently from England do not leave any doubts to the researcher of the Criminal Police. The blood found in the McCanns car is from Madeline as well as the vestiges detected in the house rented by the British and from where the three years old child disappeared without a trace.

The recent developments of Maddie's case will be available on line Monday morning.
http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=272690&idselect=181&idCanal=181&p=0
_________________________________________

The front cover of the newspaper says:
Confirmed blood in the flat and in the car
Final results of the British laboratory
The risk of confusion between the genetic profiles of the twins and Maddie was eliminated.

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Ongetwijfelf volgt er meer hierover. Daarom is het niet toevallig dat alle Britse kranten (heel braaf PR-man Clarence Mitchell noterend) die nieuws getuige lanceren, zie de headlines op Anorak.co.uk: Madeleine McCann: An Intruder, Murat’s False Alibi And David Payne Is Murat’s Double Met ook een artikel in de Daily Star:

DAILY STAR: “MURAT’S DOUBLE – Pal is mistaken for Madeleine suspect”

Was it Robert Murat those nine (Sun) witnesses saw the night Madeleine McCann disappeared? Or was it David Payne, the McCanns’ medical friend? The Star has a picture of both men. Add some more hair to Mr Payne’s head and you have a likeness.

Says a source: “What is baffling is that Mr Payne’s own wife and two of his friends are among those who claim to have seen Mr Murat outside the McCanns’ apartment that night. Mrs Payne may not have known Mr Murat well but you’d think a wife would recognise her own husband”

Iets wat ik eerder ook al postte qua gelijkenis. De foto's van Payne en Murat.

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En nog een tranentrekker in de Daily Express van j.l. .zaterdag waar iedereen die arme arme Kate McCann beklaagd maar mij valt alleen dit op, heel handig er even tussendoor in het artikel geplaatst: "According to Gerry’s sister, Tricia Cameron, Kate has been contacted by a children’s charity to do some work for them. The approach came after Kate attended a lunch for the organisation Missing Children International while still in Portugal. “She hasn’t made up her mind yet,” Tricia added. It appears to be understood within the family that whatever she decides, it is highly unlikely that Kate will return to her old job."

Want dat is natuurlijk het nieuws daaruit, Kate gaat zich bezighouden met vermiste kinderen, in juni of nog eerder kondigde ze dat al aan...Met een 'blije' Gerry...

(Justice for Madeleine)

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  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 10:58:54 #53
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Gerry and Kate (the parents of Madeleine McCann) are now aware that the Portuguese detectives believe they have enough proof to charge them; they are planning to travel back to the UK to grill the couple and seven holiday pals.

Although there are many mixed views about what has really happened to Madeleine McCann, it seems that Gerry and Kate McCann could be charged.

The Sunday Mail has reported today that a police source said: “Most of the elements of proof have already been collected. We just want to reconfirm the statements made by the McCanns and their friends.”

Goed, is dit feit of fictie, kunnen we een arrestatie verwachten?

http://www.product-review(...)f-to-charge-parents/
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@ Kahaarin, nou ik denk dat eerst de vragen/verzoeken (voorgelegd aan de McCanns en Tapas-vrienden) nog moeten worden behandeld door Buitenlands Zaken in de UK, olv Mevr. J. Smit. Maar 24 Horas geeft Portugal de schuld: "The State gives 10 days to people that are hired by task to translate judicial documents. In the Madeleine McCann's case, the deadline according to a an employee of the Portimão's Court was met by the translator. Nonetheless according to the same source although the rogatory letter was translated very quickly the same did not yet left Portugal and it is caught in bureaucracy. As it was already published by 24 Horas, the letter aims to question again Maddie's parents and their friends. It is only witnesses evidence. The PJ wants that the British police question again the two arguidos and the other seven persons with whom they dinned about what happened in 3rd of May at the Ocean Club." Bron

En verder is de vriendin van Murat al sinds November 'Arguida' op eigen verzoek.
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"The German lover of Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat has been made an official suspect herself in the case, according to a Portuguese newspaper today. The tabloid 24 Horas reported that Michaela Walczuch was named an arguida - or official suspect - in November and that her alibi is still being investigated by Portuguese detectives.

She is the fourth person to be named an official suspect in the case - along with her boyfriend Murat and Gerry and Kate McCann.

The newspaper claimed that Ms Walczuch, 31, gave evidence as a witness in November. However, shortly after she began giving her statement her status was changed to arguida, claimed the newspaper. "Robert Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete said Ms Walczuch was made an arguida while she was being interviewed by detectives in November last year.

Mr Pagarete told 24 Horas: "Both (Murat and Michaela) were initially notified as witnesses and when they appeared at the interview, of their own free will, they were made arguidos (formal suspects) because they said that would give them more defence guarantees.

"There's nothing special about the position of arguido. But it was an unethical move by the officers of the Policia Judiciaria who interviewed Robert Murat and Michaela." "The claim has not been confirmed and last month Ms Walczuch insisted she had only been interviewed once by police and that was in May." Het hele artikel>> Daily Mail
(Justice for Madeleine)
  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 12:45:17 #55
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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 11:34 schreef Suko het volgende:
@ Kahaarin, nou ik denk dat eerst de vragen/verzoeken (voorgelegd aan de McCanns en Tapas-vrienden) nog moeten worden behandeld door Buitenlands Zaken in de UK, olv Mevr. J. Smit. Maar 24 Horas geeft Portugal de schuld: "The State gives 10 days to people that are hired by task to translate judicial documents. In the Madeleine McCann's case, the deadline according to a an employee of the Portimão's Court was met by the translator. Nonetheless according to the same source although the rogatory letter was translated very quickly the same did not yet left Portugal and it is caught in bureaucracy. As it was already published by 24 Horas, the letter aims to question again Maddie's parents and their friends. It is only witnesses evidence. The PJ wants that the British police question again the two arguidos and the other seven persons with whom they dinned about what happened in 3rd of May at the Ocean Club." Bron

En verder is de vriendin van Murat al sinds November 'Arguida' op eigen verzoek.
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(Justice for Madeleine)

Oh dus, vliegen afvangen en dingen roepen voordat het z'n beslag heeft, komt me bekend voor, jou niet?

Natuurlijk is de vriendin van Murat vrijwillig arguida, dan kan ze iig een beetje bescherming van de wet verwachten, nu hoeft ze niets te zeggen en krijgt ze inzage.
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  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 12:57:02 #56
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A claim that the lover of Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat had herself been made a suspect in the case was denied today.

Tabloid 24 Horas reported that Michaela Walczuch was named an arguida - or official suspect - in November and that her alibi is still being investigated by Portuguese detectives.


But today Portuguese police officials denied the story and Mr Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete said only his client was an official suspect in the case.

Ehm, Suko?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=506547&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow
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  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 13:09:45 #57
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PJ received the final results last friday

The results confirm that Maddie died in the apart and was moved inside the car

PJ will begin now new diligencias

PJ run out complety the abduction theory

This was told by PJ on TV and thats the news we have today in our news


Aldus een portugese vanmorgen.
Here we are now, entertain us.
  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 13:12:07 #58
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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 13:09 schreef voyeur het volgende:
PJ received the final results last friday

The results confirm that Maddie died in the apart and was moved inside the car

PJ will begin now new diligencias

PJ run out complety the abduction theory

This was told by PJ on TV and thats the news we have today in our news


Aldus een portugese vanmorgen.
Is dit naar aanleiding van de langzame dna testen?
Waarbij een beetje DNA vermeerderd wordt en dan uitgelezen?
Die hadden we idd nog niet voorbij zien komen, die resultaten dan.

Heb je een link?
Dit is namelijk iets waar ik babbelfish wel eens op wil loslaten.
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Ze hebben dat verhaal moeten terugdraaien, is geupdate at 11:39am on 7th January 2008 "A claim that the lover of Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat had herself been made a suspect in the case was denied today." Daily Mail Good one Clarrie...
  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 13:14:56 #60
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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 13:13 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ze hebben dat verhaal moeten terugdraaien, is geupdate at 11:39am on 7th January 2008 "A claim that the lover of Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat had herself been made a suspect in the case was denied today." Daily Mail Good one Clarrie...
We hadden het kunnen weten, 24horas....
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However, the 24 Horas newspaper said that shortly after she began giving her statement her status was changed.
Wat denk jij van bovenstaande vertaling?
Ik wil dat artikel wel eens zien.....
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  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 13:23:00 #61
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Portuguese the Judiciaria Police is to a step to formally accuse the parents of Madeleine McCann, the disappeared British girl from the 3 of May in the south of that country, when requesting the seizure of deprived newspapers of the mother as it demonstrates for a judgment in his against. According to the English newspaper The Sun informed yesterday, thinks that the personal agenda, written by Kate McCann during the days in which her daughter disappeared, can demonstrate the theory according to which she assassinated to Mameleine. The lusos agents had copied some pages del daily, that gave back to the McCann, but now want that notebook as she demonstrates makes specific against the pair. Under the Portuguese law, only original documents can be used in a judgment as it demonstrates. The arguments to maintain the process seem somewhat banal nevertheless. The Portuguese press published parts of which it creates is "fundamental" evidence that it implies to Kate, of 39 years, in the murder of his daughter that are a summary of the tension of the mother by the care of their children. The texts indicate that the medical one was "histérica" with the behavior of Madeleine, and said not to be able to tolerate the care of their children. The Gerry cardiologist, also of 39 years, is described by his wife like "an absent" father, to whom does not matter to leave to him to his woman the care of the children, while he relaxes during the vacations. The friends of the McCann indicated that the reports about the decision of the Police to seize the personal newspaper of Kate are an attempt to more soil the name of the pair a loss of prestige campaign "". In addition, they affirmed that some of the parts mentioned by the police could be falsified. While, the Portuguese detectives glide to travel in the next days to Great Britain to return to interrogate the friends of the McCann, who had supper with them the night of the disappearance of Madeleine. The agents look for to clarify what they consider like "serious inconsistencias" in the testimonies of the seven British who spent their vacations with the pair in the Portuguese bath of Praia gives Light. The Police suspects that the girl was assassinated by her parents and their body transferred in a Renault Scenic rented by the McCann 25 days after the disappearance of Madeleine. The agents also are interested in seizing the invoices of telephone of the pair during the period in which the girl disappeared, a Bible and the doll Cuddle Cat that the girl in her bed left the night in which was Vista for the last time.
Volgens mij heb ik het gevonden, dit was echter na vertalen met babbelfish, kan iemand er wat meer licht op schijnen?
Edit, of je vertaalt een Spaanse tekst niet in het Portugees!
Ook een bericht dat niet in de ebgelstalige pers is geweest, zeer selectief allemaal.
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2008/01/06/elmundo/i-02601.htm

Hiermee vertaald: http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

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  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 13:40:52 #62
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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 13:09 schreef voyeur het volgende:
PJ received the final results last friday

The results confirm that Maddie died in the apart and was moved inside the car

PJ will begin now new diligencias

PJ run out complety the abduction theory

This was told by PJ on TV and thats the news we have today in our news


Aldus een portugese vanmorgen.
Het is mogelijk niet de PJ zelf geweest die dit verteld heeft, maar een lek. Dat lijkt me waarschijnlijker en wordt ook bevestigd door de Portugese krant Correio da Manhã van vandaag
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  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 13:47:51 #63
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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 13:40 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Het is mogelijk niet de PJ zelf geweest die dit verteld heeft, maar een lek. Dat lijkt me waarschijnlijker en wordt ook bevestigd door de Portugese krant Correio da Manhã van vandaag
Spreek/lees jij Portugees?
Ik zou graag een vertaling hebben en babbelfish helpt niet zo...
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  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 14:05:29 #64
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: Exclusive Correio da Manhã 7/1/2008

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Exclusive Correio da Manhã
2008-01-7

Maddie's case

Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed

The final result of the tests that arrived recently from England do not leave any doubts to the researcher of the Criminal Police. The blood found in the McCanns car is from Madeline as well as the vestiges detected in the house rented by the British and from where the three years old child disappeared without a trace.

The recent developments of Maddie's case will be available on line Monday morning.
http://www.correiomanha.pt/not.....81&p=0
_________________________________________

The front cover of the newspaper says:
Confirmed blood in the flat and in the car
Final results of the British laboratory
The risk of confusion between the genetic profiles of the twins and Maddie was eliminated.


Portugees is me te moeilijk, ik lees wat Spaans dus ik kan het net genoeg begrijpen om te zien dat bovenstaande Engelse versie geen verzinsel van een poster is.
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  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 14:11:42 #65
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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 14:05 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: Exclusive Correio da Manhã 7/1/2008

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Exclusive Correio da Manhã
2008-01-7

Maddie's case

Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed

The final result of the tests that arrived recently from England do not leave any doubts to the researcher of the Criminal Police. The blood found in the McCanns car is from Madeline as well as the vestiges detected in the house rented by the British and from where the three years old child disappeared without a trace.

The recent developments of Maddie's case will be available on line Monday morning.
http://www.correiomanha.pt/not.....81&p=0
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The front cover of the newspaper says:
Confirmed blood in the flat and in the car
Final results of the British laboratory
The risk of confusion between the genetic profiles of the twins and Maddie was eliminated.


Portugees is me te moeilijk, ik lees wat Spaans dus ik kan het net genoeg begrijpen om te zien dat bovenstaande Engelse versie geen verzinsel van een poster is.
Heel fijn, dankjewel, ik zou bijna zeggen dus toch, even zien hoe zich dit ontwikkeld in de Britse pers, als dit echt waar is dan zou ik het ongelooflijk vinden dat ze toch dit hele circus op gang hebben gebracht.

Dit zouden dan te testen moeten zijn die op 3 december hier werden genoemd:
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The Forensic Science Service in Birmingham had tested samples of “body fluids” and hair taken from the holiday apartment where Madeleine disappeared in Praia da Luz on May 3 and her parents’ hire car. They have also been examining DNA samples and fingerprints from more than 100 British holidaymakers at the Ocean Club resort.

Guilhermino Encarnação, director of the Portuguese police team searching for Madeleine, said: “The Judicial Police have asked the laboratory to carry out more tests and exhaust every possibility of obtaining conclusive results.” Mr Encarnação told the Spanish newspaper El PaÍs that a team of four Portuguese experts who visited the FSS last week had been told that there was no significant new evidence.
http://www.timesonline.co(...)e/article2988242.ece

[ Bericht 23% gewijzigd door kahaarin op 07-01-2008 14:17:48 ]
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Darn! Dat stond toch ook in mijn eerdere post? Een exclusive nog wel.... Ook het international persbureau Reuters komt met deze droge mededeling: * Police confirm there were traces of blood found in the home and car of the parents of missing four-year old Madeleine McCann (Correio da Manha).

Ik denk het ook Kahaarin wat die testen in december betreft. Laten we hopen dat er een keer iets op gang komt, dit is werkelijk schandelijk langzaam.
  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 14:29:01 #67
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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 14:18 schreef Suko het volgende:
Darn! Dat stond toch ook in mijn eerdere post? Een exclusive nog wel.... Ook het international persbureau Reuters komt met deze droge mededeling: * Police confirm there were traces of blood found in the home and car of the parents of missing four-year old Madeleine McCann (Correio da Manha).

Ik denk het ook Kahaarin wat die testen in december betreft. Laten we hopen dat er een keer iets op gang komt, dit is werkelijk schandelijk langzaam.
Ja, idd, en niks op de links van de OP, alleen in het portugees, daar komt mijn poging tot vertalen met babbelfish vandaan, wat moeten de touwtjes strak in de handen van de McCann mediamachine zitten dat dit niet hot news is, ongeloofelijk.

Zie edit in mijn vorige post, een Spaanse tekst vertalen met portugees naar engels helpt niet nee.

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  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 14:40:27 #68
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Dit is waar de Britse pers zich mee bezig houdt:
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A HAMPSHIRE father has become a key witness in the search for Madeleine McCann after telling police about a suspicious man he confronted at the same flats, just days before she went missing.

Paul Gordon, from Fareham, and his family spent a fortnight in the same Portugal holiday apartment last April, immediately before the McCanns arrived.

During their visit Mr Gordon, 34, confronted a suspicious charity collector just outside the flats, while his own two children were asleep inside.

When he found the man outside the glass patio doors at the back of the two-bedroom apartment in Praia da Luz, the stranger claimed to be collecting money for an orphanage.

Back home, the brewery sales executive immediately contacted police about his experience when news of Madeleine's disappearance first broke.

Mr Gordon has subsequently also been interviewed by the team of private detectives working on the case on behalf of Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.
http://www.thisishampshir(...)adeleine_witness.php

Wat een wassen neus, nog een bericht zoals Suko al eerder postte, nog steeds niets over de resultaten.
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LISBON, Jan 7 (Reuters) - Following are some of the main Portuguese stories in newspapers on Monday. Reuters has not verified these stories and does not vouch for their accuracy.
Het duurt wel lang met Reuters, als het niet waar was dan hadden ze het al wel gerectificeerd en was er al wel een gloeiende preek van de Mediamensen van de McCanns gekomen denk ik.

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Ze zullen wel een keer moeten berichten Kahaarin, anyway, hier is een vertaling van een update:

Correio da Manha - UPDATE

rough google translation while waiting on Li or another translator:


The final result of the examinations arrived in England recently but has not questions for researchers of the Judicial Police. The blood found in the car of McCann will be the same Madeleine, as the traces found in the house rented by the English and where the child, then three years old, disappeared without trace.

The investigation continues, however, in a deadlock. Without corpse and no confessions will be available to parents of the girl create a doubt in court. Not because of the quality of the traces, but the method used in the collection. "Being a trace that is not visible to the naked eye is necessary to use the 'low copy number." This means that are extracted genetic profiles of all persons who left traces there. It is not contamination of evidence, but the possibility, almost academic, to be someone who has a genetic profile similar to the junction of many, "said the CM a source expert of the process.

In this scenario - and the parents of Maddie may create a doubt that everything is just a huge coincidence - the authorities continue to demand the blow of fate that can change the course of the investigation. The steps that will happen in the coming weeks in England - the interrogations to friends of McCann and seizure of items such as log-Kate - mean that.

There are also hamper this investigation to frame criminal concerned. Inspectors PJ argue that the treaty will be an accident, which puts the crime in terms of accidental or negligent homicide. The other crimes are of concealment of corpse and simulation of abduction, and that in any event provides pre-trial detention and the use of evidence such as bugging.

According to the CM found, even if the friends of the couple English add nothing to research the investigation should result in indictment public. The same, however, will be the responsibility of the prosecutor, the PJ can only give a suggestion of legal qualification.

Kate and Gerry McCann also will never be tried in Portugal, the process, when completed, followed in England, where he will be assessed by the Justice that country.

MADELEINE It DAUGHTER OF GERRY AND KATE MCCANN

The possibility of Gerry and Kate are not parents of Maddie - as given by some newspaper'24 Hours' - never became an academic hypothesis, refused at the beginning of the investigation when it was collected the DNA of the child disappeared. Designed by artificial insemination, the genetic heritage of the child belongs to the couple McCann.

DNA IS NOT THE BROTHERS GÉMEOS

Many traces collected by the PJ and there is no chance of those assigned to be the Maddie twin brothers, Sean and Amélie. This hypothesis has been checked and all the tests were repeated in Portugal and England. They have also been collected in two different moments, in May and in August, by researchers from the Laboratory of Forensic Science and specialists of the Institute of Legal Medicine.

MEETING IN ENGLAND

Researchers from the PJ and the experts of the Legal Medicine were England to examine the collection of trace.

REPETIDOS IN TWO COUNTRIES

Traces collected to reach the DNA of Maddie analyzed in Portugal and also in London.

RASTO OF BLOOD NO DEIXA QUESTIONS TO RESEARCHERS

It is not just the fact that they have been found traces match the DNA of Maddie leading researchers to believe that they are facing a case of death. They are also the places where they were found allowing the Judiciary Police will reconstruct what happened to the child, on the night of May 3 and the subsequent days.

Firstly, the British dogs detected odors of the fourth corpse in the car boot and the clothes that Kate used that night. Then, were found the traces of blood, not visible to the naked eye, which indicate the presence of the corpse of the girl behind a sofa in the fourth bag of the car that was rented only 22 days later.

The PJ also took account of the analysis of various details during the investigation: from the way the furniture was placed in the home until the testimonies of neighbours.

Then again be the key testimony of Pamela Fenn, the British who lived in the top floor occupied by McCann. The day before the disappearance of the girl that moradora heard the screams of Maddie. The child cried and screamed for the father, and the audible descontrolo mother's emotional.

Pamela Fenn has even speak with McCann on the noise made by children, that incomodava while McCann promised that the situation does not repeat.

The CM knows that all traces pointing to the presence of Maddie's house in the village of Praia da Luz permit also set a track the movement of the body. What then was hidden in unknown location and transported to a place also not determined.

Remember also that the British dogs detected after the smell of corpses next to the spare tire and the keys of the car used by the couple for several months. It was also in that first place (luggage) that the animals returned to find traces of a biological DNA that corresponds to the girl English and whose results exclude the possibility of belonging to the twin brothers.

AS CERTEZAS RESEARCH OFFICER

ODOR OF CADÁVER

The British dogs detected odor of corpses in the room where Maddie was last and in the clothes of Kate. The PJ gives great credibility to this trace, as it is specially trained dogs

SOZINHAS

The children of the group that accompanied the McCann were alone in the room from 20:00.

TRANSPORT

For PJ is a certainty. If Maddie walked in the car of parents can only have been after dead. The Renault Scénic was only leased to May 25 last year.

HOW MORREU

The PJ does not know how Maddie died. The collection of traces and the place where they were found conducts research to a scenario of death, but there are only hints about what will have happened that night.

WHERE IS THE CADÁVER

The discovery of the corpse of Maddie could explain the whole crime later. Only an autopsy would determine what actually happened to the child English, by-gone of the day on May 3.

HOUSE OF ROBERT MURAT REVIRADA

The house of Robert Murat was twice revirada by the Judiciary Police, which sought traces of the passage of the girl. In any of the situations found any evidence, any genetic profile that coincide with the Madeleine. Also the car, Murat and his mother were the subject of expertise, but the result has returned to zero. Even so - and because in recent months some friends of McCann ensure Murat have seen in the vicinity of the village on the night of the disappearance - the PJ did not propose the closing of the case with the British. Go to remain as accused before the end of the police investigation.

NOTES

SCIENTIFIC PROOF

Without confessions or corpse, PJ bet everything on the scientific proof: it is never absolute and that needs to be crossed with other elements.

MEDICINES FOR SLEEPING

The assumption had been calming kids to sleep has always been equated. However, there is no test that demonstrates.

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The diary of Kate can be seized in the coming weeks. It is essential to devise a psychological profile of the mother of the child British.

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(Justice for Madeleine)
  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 14:56:39 #70
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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 14:50 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ze zullen wel een keer moeten berichten Kahaarin, anyway, hier is een vertaling van een update:
Dankjewel, ook leuk dat forum, ben jij dit: lynnkx ?

De aversie tegen CM en het gebruik van Spin gaf me dat idee.
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Goh, dit topic is lekker snel verandert in een Soap-slowChat voor GTST kijkende huisvrouwen...
  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 15:07:53 #72
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Madeleine: Investigation results
Tests mark Maddie's death

The definitive result of the tests that recently arrived from England left no doubts for the Policia Judiciaria's investigators. The blood that was found in the McCanns' car is really from Madeleine, just like the residues that were detected in the house that was rented by the English couple, and from where the child, then aged three, disappeared from without a trace.

The investigation, nevertheless, continues at an impass. Without a cadaver and without any confessions, it will still be possible for the child's parents to create a doubt in court. Not because of the quality of the residues, but because of the method that was used to collect them. "When the residue is not visible to the naked eye, it is necessary to use the 'low copy number'. Which means that the genetic profiles of every person that left traces at the location are extracted. This is not about the contamination of evidence, but about the possibility, an almost academic one, that there is someone who has a genetic profile that is the same as the junction of several others", a source that knows the process has told CM.

Within this scenario - and as Maddie's parents could create the doubt that this is nothing but a huge coincidence - the authorities continue to look for a lucky strike that may change the course of the investigation. The diligences that will be carried out in England over the coming weeks - the questioning of the McCanns' friends and the apprehension of objects like Kate's diary - mean precisely that.

Another barrier for this investigation is the penal context that is at its core. The PJ's inspectors defend that it was an accident, which places the crime on the level of an accidental or negligent homicide. The rest of the crimes are those of concealment of a cadaver and simulation of an abduction, which under no circumstances foresees preventive imprisonment, and the use of evidence like phone listening.

As far as CM was able to discover, even if the friends of the English couple don't add anything to the investigation, the inquiry will most likely produce a public accusation. This is an action that falls under the responsibility of the Public Ministery, though, and the PJ can only suggest the juridical qualification.

Kate and Gerry McCann will also never be judged in Portugal, as the process will be sent to England after it is concluded, where it will be appreciated by that country's Justice.

Madeleine is the daughter of Gerry and Kate McCann

The possibility that Gerry and Kate are not Maddie's parents - given as certain by the 24Horas newspaper - was never anything but an academical possibility, which was dismissed at the beginning of the investigation when the DNA of the missing child was collected. Conceived through artificial insemination, the child's genetic patrimony belongs to the McCann couple.

DNA is not from the twin siblings

Many residues were collected by the PJ, and there is no possibility that those that are attributed to Maddie come from her twin siblings, Sean and Amelie. That possibility was verified, and all the tests were repeated in Portugal and in England. They were also collected at two different moments in time, in May and in August, by investigators from the Scientific Police Lab and experts from the Institute for Legal Medicine.

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Blood trail leaves the investigators without doubts

It is not only the fact that traces have been found which coincide with Maddie's DNA, that leads the investigators to believe that this is a death case. It is also the locations where those were found which allow the Policia Judiciaria to reconstruct what happened to the child, on the evening of the 3rd of May, and on the following days.

In the first place, the English dogs detected cadaver odours in the bedroom, in the car boot and on the clothes that Kate was wearing that evening. Then, blood traces were found, not visible to the naked eye, that indicate the presence of the little girl's cadaver behind a sofa in the bedroom and in the boot of the car that was only rented 22 days later.

The PJ also took into account the analysis of several details during the investigation: from the way the furniture was placed inside the house, until the statements of neighbours.

There, the statement of Pamela Fenn, the English citizen that lived in the apartment that was located above the one that was occupied by the McCanns, became fundamental again. On the day before the day that the child disappeared, the local resident heard Maddie's screams. The child cried and screamed for her father, while the emotional lack of control from her mother was audible.

Pamela Fenn even spoke to the McCanns about the noise the children made, which disturbed her, and the McCanns promised that the situation would not be repeated.

CM knows that all the traces that point to the presence of Maddie in the house of the resort in Praia da Luz also allow to define a trail for the passage of the body. Which was then hidden in an unknown location and transported to another unknown location.

It is also reminded that the English dogs later detected the smell of the cadaver next to the spare tire and on the keys of the car that was used by the couple for several months. It was also in that first location (car boot) that the animals again found biological residues from a DNA that matches that of the English girl, and which gave results that dismiss the possibility that they belonged to her twin siblings.


De non babelfish versie van deel 1 van het artikel. Rest volgt kennelijk later vandaag. De info doorstaat mijn basistest voor 'tabloid' verzinsels. Er zitten wat details in die niet op het internet circuleerden en redelijk geloofwaardig zijn.

De vetgedrukte delen zijn opmerkelijk. Dat Kate zo out of control was maakt dat sommige mensen denken dat daarom en op dat moment Gerry uit zijn tapas bar gehaald is door het personeel. Het andere vetgedrukte is verbazingwekkend. Ik weet zo vlug even niet waarom het proces in GB gevoerd zou kunnen/moeten worden. Volgens mij is dat onmogelijk.

[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door voyeur op 07-01-2008 15:15:53 ]
Here we are now, entertain us.
  maandag 7 januari 2008 @ 15:09:27 #73
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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 15:04 schreef Xith het volgende:
Goh, dit topic is lekker snel verandert in een Soap-slowChat voor GTST kijkende huisvrouwen...
Kan je denken, maar
a) ben ik geen huisvrouw, zelfs geen vrouw
b) heb ik GTST nog nooit gezien
c) is het nogal een schandaal dat sommige mensen dus behoorlijk bezighoudt.
Here we are now, entertain us.
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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 14:56 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Dankjewel, ook leuk dat forum, ben jij dit: lynnkx ?

De aversie tegen CM en het gebruik van Spin gaf me dat idee.
Huh? Ha ha nee hoor, ik zou wel willen posten daar maar mijn Engels is te beroerd, lezen gaat best maar goed en begrijpelijk Engels schrijven is een heel andere zaak. Ik post alleen hier op Fok, da's voor mij voldoende, ben voor de rest een super-lurker, ook leuk.
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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 15:09 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Kan je denken, maar
a) ben ik geen huisvrouw, zelfs geen vrouw
b) heb ik GTST nog nooit gezien
c) is het nogal een schandaal dat sommige mensen dus behoorlijk bezighoudt.
Same here, alleen ben ik wel een dame...
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