Maddy MacCann: Loose Change. (15)

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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 00:11 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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Inderdaad. Alsof iemand zich zou moeten verontschuldigen voor wat hij of zij vermoedt. En direct weer gegooi met moraal, goed en slecht... alsjeblieft zeg. Als iemand hier zo zeker weet dat ze onschuldig zijn laat diegeen zich dan melden bij de McCanns of de politie, daar kunnen ze je goed gebruiken.

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Leuke uitsmijter voor het weekend idd. Dat ze goede connecties hebben zou je er zo naar kijkend wel zeggen.

"Every year over 70,000 children go missing in the UK."

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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 00:08 schreef tbl1966 het volgende:

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Ik denk dat jij mij verkeerd begrijpt. Ik vind de reactie 'spin spin spin' cynisch en daar reageerde ik op. Ik vind het gebruik maken van PR niet slecht en ik kan me hier heel goed voorstellen dat deze mensen de aandacht van zich willen afleiden.

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De focus moet op Maddy blijven en het is jammer dat er mensen zijn die daar hun bedenkingen en twijfels bij hebben en daardoor dus vinden dat de McCanns hierdoor de verdenking op zich laden.

Vind jij het vreemd dat familie en vrienden zo over haar spreken, zij maken haar regelmatig mee, zien een vrouw die gebukt gaat onder zorgen. Dan is het toch logisch dat ze bezorgd om haar zijn.

Het draait al sinds het begin om hun image, nl. die van slechte ouders die hun kind(eren) alleen hebben gelaten. Inderdaad, pas sinds de verdachtmakingen is er een tegenoffensief begonnen. 't is alleen jammer dat dat nodig is, dat de pers de zaak niet neutraal benadert zodat dit soort berichten niet nodig zijn.

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Natuurljk moet de zoektocht naar Maddy en wat er is gebeurd voorop blijven staan. Maar ja, als de politie in die zoektocht bij de ouders terecht komen hoort dat er ook bij. Wat de media er ondertussen van breit is dan op zich van minder belang. Die zijn uiteindelijk alleen maar bezig kranten te verkopen.

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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 00:27 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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Waarom zeg je dan dat ik ze in een kwaad daglicht wil stellen doordat het imo onderdeel van de PR is?

Ik heb er geen waardeoordeel aangehangen. Het proberen beinvloeden van de publieke opinie is een feit. Gebeurt voortdurend en overal. Of dat iets is waar je blij mee moet zijn, ik persoonlijk niet, maar het is geen oordeel over de McCanns dat ze ervoor kiezen.

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De media is imo voornamelijk op de hand geweest van de McCanns. Pas begin deze maand, toen er meer details over het mogelijk bewijs van de politie bekend werden, kwam de mogelijkheid dat zij het zelf gedaan konden hebben meer naar voren.

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Natuurljk moet de zoektocht naar Maddy en wat er is gebeurd voorop blijven staan. Maar ja, als de politie in die zoektocht bij de ouders terecht komt hoort dat er ook bij. Wat de media er ondertussen van breit is dan op zich van minder belang. Die zijn uiteindelijk alleen maar bezig kranten te verkopen.

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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 00:19 schreef tbl1966 het volgende:
Wie gooit hier met moraal? en goed en slecht. Er zijn hier dingen over de McCanns gezegd waar de honden geen brood van lusten. Sommigen van ons proberen dat te nuanceren en wijzen echt niet met het moraliserende vingertje hoor.

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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 00:54 schreef Stali het volgende:
Wat vind jij nu eigenlijk?!

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" A mystery boatman was seen kicking at something in the middle of the night two days after Madeleine McCann disappeared, detectives have been told.

Former Mark Warner nanny Charlotte Pennington said she spotted the man in a small dinghy just off the Praia da Luz seafront at 11.30pm. She claims he was kicking at an object stored in the boat's hull. When she moved closer to investigate, the man - whose name she has given to Portuguese and British police - stooped out of sight then hurriedly rowed away.

Portuguese police are taking the sightings seriously and Miss Pennington, 20, has twice spoken to Leicestershire detectives about her evidence. She was working in the Ocean Club's creche on May 3, the night Madeleine disappeared. She is the only person to have given a full, public description of the events of that evening.

She told police how she heard Kate McCann scream: "They've taken her" on the night of May 3, when Madeleine vanished, and that she saw the first official suspect Robert Murat standing outside the Ocean Club that night. Yesterday Miss Pennington said the man was wearing a reflective yellow jacket with a hood but she could not make out his face.

However the following day she was shocked to see a man - whom she had come to know over the preceding week - wearing exactly the same distinctive jacket as the man in the boat. Miss Pennington's account potentially tallies with repeated suggestions that Madeleine was smuggled out of the Algarve on board a boat, or that her body was dumped at sea." Daily Mail

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MISSING Madeleine McCann may be in the hands of North African people smugglers. Police in Morocco, investigating a reported sighting, believe they have identified a link with a ruthless gang of traffickers. A nationwide hunt has been launched for the smugglers who operate between North Africa and Spain, ferrying people – and tons of marijuana – into Europe each year. The breakthrough came a few weeks after Madeleine went missing when a Spanish tourist reported seeing a blonde girl matching her description being dragged along by a scruffy, Arab-looking woman in the town of Zaio. Senior officers believe the sighting is highly plausible and are now closing in on the gang. They are confident they know the identity of the woman and claim that she slips in and out of Morocco using underground contacts.

Police chief Abdelkada Chouhou told the Daily Express: “We believe the woman involved is a known Spanish smuggler who has links with Zaio.” De rest.

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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 09:31 schreef Suko het volgende:
En wat heeft die Nanny nou weer te melden:

Madeleine: Mystery of the boatman 'kicking something in the middle of the night' spotted by nanny
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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 10:02 schreef Nadine26 het volgende:

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Het is ongelooflijk wat zo'n Nanny allemaal meemaakt aan grootse en meeslepende zaken Ik vind het ook goed dat ze de spanningsboog van het verhaal een beetje respecteert, m.a.w. dat ze de 'boatman' eerst even onder de pet heeft gehouden.

Mijn gok: morgen doet nanny Charlotte een onthulling over het kinderstemmetje dat ze uit de boot hoorde opklinken, en dat riep: "I want my cuddly toy!"

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Kate and Gerry McCann could face 12 months in prison if they speak out to defend themselves against a slur campaign in Portugal because of the country's strict secrecy laws, it is claimed.

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"Although the McCanns strenuously deny the allegations, as formal suspects they cannot talk about any aspect of the investigation. A source close to the couple said they were looking at ways to get round the strict legislation.

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The latest claim is that Madeleine died in a "fatal and mysterious hour and a half" on the night she went missing and that her body may have been stored in a fridge. Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, said: "Each and every one of these nonsensical allegations causes real pain and hurt for both Gerry and Kate.

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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 09:31 schreef Suko het volgende:
En wat heeft die Nanny nou weer te melden:

Madeleine: Mystery of the boatman 'kicking something in the middle of the night' spotted by nanny
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Haar eerdere verhaaltje dat ze Murat had gezien en over de missing ours van Kate McCann. En verder ben ik die Nanny Charlotte Pennington even gaan 'onderzoeken' en wat blijkt, haar echte naam is CHARLOTTE WIGHTON en is actrice. Kan best zijn dat ze dit als bijbaantje had, qua Nanny...

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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 12:02 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ik berijp gewoon niet, if true, waarom ze er nu pas mee komt, doet haar reputatie als Nanny en actrice geen goed lijkt mij.

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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 12:10 schreef moussie het volgende:

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wij hebben geen idee of zij dit niet al maanden geleden aan de politie daar heeft verteld, niet waar ?
en zolang als dat je in Portugal bent kan je maar beter je mondje dicht houden heb ik inmiddels het idee, anders ben je al gauw verdacht ..
maar ze is nu weer thuis heb ik begrepen, seizoen is afgelopen, dus nu kan zij zonder angst voor represailles spreken ..

Kan zijn hoor Moussie, mar het past allemaal heel goed in het plaatje van het PR-team, maar zoals je weet, ik denk slecht.., Ik vond dit nog,

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McCanns Back European Missing Kids Alert Portugal, which currently holds the EU's rotating presidency, is reportedly pushing for such a system to be set up at a key meeting of European home affairs ministers. Madeleine went missing from her parents' rented holiday flat on the Algarve on May 3.

Portuguese police faced criticism over the speed of their initial response to the disappearance, including questions over how quickly they sealed the borders and alerted the ports and airports. Images of Madeleine were circulated through the media by friends and family in the hours after Madeleine's disappearance.

Portuguese officials are now said to be backing the extension of a French alert system, which includes electronic roadside messages, across the EU's 27 countries. In the UK a similar county-wide scheme, including automatic media alerts, was pioneered in the UK in Surrey after the disappearance of local schoolgirl Milly Dowler.

Madeleine's father Gerry McCann said: "If this is true we would very much welcome it as a major step in the right direction toward helping other children and their families. "Kate and I have consistently campaigned to effect such changes throughout the European Union to help protect children everywhere." Vandaag in Sky News

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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 12:43 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Kan zijn hoor Moussie, mar het past allemaal heel goed in het plaatje van het PR-team, maar zoals je weet, ik denk slecht.., Ik vond dit nog, June 17, 2007 The Times, Kate McCann was toen al bezig haar parttime job als huisarts op te geven en fulltime en waarom: "to campaign against child trafficking and raise awareness about missing children. "Kate said last week, ‘This is my job now. I can see this becoming my full-time career, with this whole issue of child welfare and opposing paedophiles’.”

Dat komt ook nu goed van pas:
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Daar zullen wij nog veel over gaan vernemen,vermoed ik...

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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 13:41 schreef moussie het volgende:

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ké, dan ga ik maar weer eens de goede kant op relativeren

hier is op zich niets vreemds aan .. in tegendeel .. het wemelt in de hulpverlening van mensen die dankzij hun persoonlijke ervaringen op misstanden stoten en er iets aan willen doen zodat een volgende een soortgelijk lot bespaart word ..

wat haar persoonlijk aangaat .. het moment is zeker niet wijs gekozen (wat op zich dan weer voor haar spreekt, het is geen media-gebeuren maar een impulsieve handeling), maar ik kan me er wel wat bij voorstellen .. je schrikt toch wel behoorlijk als je erachter komt dat er in het land waarin 100'en niets vermoedende gezinnen hun vakantie vieren aardig wat pedofielen wonen en/of op vakantie komen en de politie deze pedofielen blijkbaar beschermd (zie de eerder genoemde verdwenen getuigeverklaringen etc) .. je word toch knettergek als je bedenkt dat dezelfde politie de vermissing van jouw kind moet onderzoeken, je weet niet of je ze wel of niet kan vertrouwen ?
en vergeet niet .. al die tijd krijgen ze geen informatie over wat er gebeurt, herhaal .. geen informatie !!

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A british tourist seen "hiding" in a stairwell outside Madeleine McCann's apartment on the night she disappeared was being investigated last night.

The new suspect, stocky and wearing two-tone glasses, was spotted by an Ocean Club worker just 12 metres from the flat. The employee, who did not want to be named, exclusively told the Mirror: "I'll never forget him. "It was around 6pm on the day the little girl went missing. I saw this Englishman standing under the stairwell.

"He was round-faced and stocky, wearing light clothes and positioned so that he was monitoring the car park area, stairs and elevator. He was hiding and watching what was going on. I didn't see him at first. I was collecting some linen, bent down to pick it up and nearly bumped into him.

"We gave each other a big fright and both jumped back. We moved aside for each other. But he didn't move away." After Madeleine vanished from the Ocean Club later on May 3 the witness was interviewed routinely by police. But he said a young officer seemed uninterested in what he had to say. Later, detectives arrived at his home and insisted he be re-interviewed.

He was taken to the police HQ in Portimao and asked to go through photographs. It is believed he managed to identify the suspect. Speaking to the Mirror before his interview, he said: "They showed me lots of pictures and I pointed out the person I thought it was. I've been told not to say any more about it." Asked by the Mirror why he had not pressured police to take notice of his statement from the start, he said: "I was too scared."

The worker said he discovered the suspect was British when he spotted him a few days later.Yesterday he refused to speak any further, stressing he had been warned not to talk about the investigation.

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Op zaterdag 29 september 2007 14:36 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Zeker, wordt tijd dat er wetten komen, en als die er zijn, worden aangescherpt, Europees op elkaar afgestemd. Wie kan het daar niet mee eens zijn. Maar het tijdstip van Kate McCann is wel erg vroeg, gepubliceerd in The Times op 17 juni en ze zei het een week eerder, pakweg 10 juni dus en op 3 mei is Maddie vermist. For Pete's sake zeg, dan zit je toch nog middenin een zoek/wanhoop/verdriet-proces? Ga desnoods voor de politiedeur liggen en schreeuw, "waar zijn jullie mee bezig, ik wil het nu weten!"

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Wat kan je doen om jezelf te behelpen?
* Dofheid, verdoving
Je geest laat je vaak slechts langzaam toe het gebeurde door te werken. In het begin voel je je verdoofd, gevoelloos. Het gebeurde lijkt onwerkelijk, als in een droom, als iets wat niet echt gebeurd is. Besef dat dit vaak een reactie van je lichaam is om de pijnlijke indrukken beetje bij beetje tot je te laten doordringen en de eraan verbonden pijn geleidelijk aan door te werken. Men aanziet dit vaak verkeerdelijk als “zich sterk voordoen” of “onbewogenheid”. Gun jezelf de tijd om met deze veranderingen om te gaan en laat je niet op stang jagen door je omgeving die jouw doorwerking graag sneller zou willen zien gebeuren. Elk zijn ritme. Probeer echter ontspannings- en relaxatietechnieken aan te leren die je misschien gemakkelijker toelaten om op een bewuste manier met de restletsels van de schok¬ervaring om te gaan.

* Activiteit
Actief zijn zonder daarom in een spiraal van overactiviteit te vallen, kan je tijdelijk wat soelaas bieden op momenten dat je het moeilijk hebt. Anderen die het ook moeilijk hebben met een gelijkaardige ervaring helpen door met hen iets van je eigen gevoelswereld te delen, kan soms verlichting voor beide partijen brengen. Een teveel aan activiteit kan echter wijzen op een poging om de aandacht af te leiden van de hulp die je zelf goed kan gebruiken.
Door activiteit vermijden velen aan het gebeuren te denken. Dit werkt, doch is slechts een tijdelijke oplossing. Vroeg of laat moet je toch met je gevoelens opnieuw in het reine komen.

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Maar goed, ondertussen is er een 'nieuwe getuige' opgestaan. Maar dat komt ook uit een gossip, zoutvaatjes...The Mirror:
[He was taken to the police HQ in Portimao and asked to go through photographs. It is believed he managed to identify the suspect. Speaking to the Mirror before his interview, he said: "They showed me lots of pictures and I pointed out the person I thought it was. I've been told not to say any more about it." Asked by the Mirror why he had not pressured police to take notice of his statement from the start, he said: "I was too scared."

The worker said he discovered the suspect was British when he spotted him a few days later.Yesterday he refused to speak any further, stressing he had been warned not to talk about the investigation.]

Daar klopt natuurlijk niks van, hoe weet hij of het een Brits toerist was, kan zijn dat ook hij naar Robert Murat verwijst, net als die Nanny en die vriendenkring...toevallig? Maar goed, tabloid-nieuws. Nou, dit was het voor mij maar weer voor vandaag wat de McCanns betreft...

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THE parents of Madeleine McCann have hired a team of private investigators to search for her in Morocco amid concerns that Portuguese police are failing to examine fresh sightings. On the 150th day since Madeleine disappeared, it emerged that a millionaire benefactor is paying tens of thousands of pounds a week for a private security firm to reinterview witnesses and investigate paedophile networks in Morocco.

The McCanns are convinced that Madeleine could have been smuggled to north Africa after four independent sightings of a girl matching her description.

They want the police inquiry refocused onto the search for their daughter and are determined to clear their names after nearly a month of frenzied speculation by Portuguese police and press about their alleged involvement in the death of their daughter. Last week their lawyers made a formal application to the prosecutor for access to a 4,000-page 10-volume police dossier, which would include details of forensics, witness statements and a reconstruction of the night of Madeleine’s disappearance.

As part of their defence, a separate team of private investigators, Control Risks, has been taking independent witness statements from the McCanns and the seven friends with whom they dined on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance.

They hope the tactic will enable them to rebut persistent claims by the Portuguese police about “suspicious inconsistencies” in the statements their officers had taken. Reports in Portugal suggest the public prosecutor will this week request further questioning of the couple and their holiday party.

The McCanns’ legal team is also considering conducting independent forensic tests on the Renault Scénic hire car in which the Portuguese police claim they have found “bodily fluids” that are an 80% match to Madeleine’s. The car is being kept for the McCanns in the garage of tycoon John Geraghty, 68, in his villa near Praia da Luz. Last week the McCanns faced further allegations in the Portuguese press. On Wednesday, senior officers said they were investigating two “unaccounted for” hours during a trip the couple made to Huelva, Spain on August 3.

On Thursday an unnamed police source said detectives believed Kate McCann accidentally killed Madeleine in the couple’s holiday apartment while her husband played tennis. The child’s body was then stored in a fridge before being transported and disposed of in the hire car.

The McCanns described the latest accusations as “ludicrous”. A spokesman for the couple pointed out the trip to Huelva was conducted in the “full glare” of the world’s media, while the couple played tennis together with a coach on the day that Madeleine disappeared.

Kate and Gerry have now decided to take on the search for Madeleine themselves after concerns that the Portuguese police have given up. In Portugal, an investigation that initially boasted 945 officers has been scaled down to about 20.

The team of private investigators in Morocco is being paid for by Brian Kennedy, the £350m home improvements tycoon, who last week pledged to fund their fightback. Kennedy himself travelled to Rabat last week for a progress report.

The couple were disappointed last week when a photograph of a girl bearing similarities to Madeleine, taken by a Spanish tourist, turned out to be the daughter of a local olive farmer. They believe other leads, however, could prove more fruitful. On his blog yesterday, Gerry said: “Despite the disappointment, it is encouraging that people are being vigilant and have not stopped looking.”

The investigators recently reinterviewed Mari Olli, a Norwegian tourist who saw a girl matching Madeleine’s description at a petrol station on the outskirts of Marrakesh six days after Madeleine’s disappearance. Olli said: “She was a sweet blonde girl who said something like, ‘Can I see mummy soon?’

“I’m almost certain it was Madeleine, but the Portuguese police never took me seriously. They never even took my statement. My only hope is that someone does something about it now and the little girl is found.”

When the McCanns visited Rabat in June to raise awareness about Madeleine’s disappearance, a source close to the ambassador told them that a second sighting had been made at the Ibis hotel opposite the petrol station. Private investigators are still trying to track down the male witness, who is from Yorkshire.

The team is also looking at a third sighting, made by Jeannie Thompson, 56, from Devon. She says she saw a blonde girl looking “dishevelled” as a man took photographs of her at the Café des Epices in Marrakesh on May 11. She reported the sighting to British police, who took her statement, but has heard nothing since.

A fourth sighting was made in the village of Zaio in northern Morocco. Isabel Gonzalez, 60, says she saw a girl with blonde hair being dragged across the road by a Muslim woman. She said: “I am convinced the girl was her. But when I contacted Portuguese police they said they would not look into it because they believed Madeleine was already dead. It has caused a lot of pain in my heart.”

The Moroccan interior minister, police chief and the head of the secret service have promised the McCanns that “if the girl is here, she will be found”. A senior detective, however, said more prominence was given to local sightings. “Most tourists who say they have seen Madeleine cannot see the difference between a European girl and a Moroccan one, as in the case of the Spanish tourist.”

While cases of children being smuggled from Europe to north Africa are rare, the country has a reputation for child prostitution and sex tourism. A report by the UN economic and social council raised concerns about “men from other countries, particularly the Gulf states, looking for girl prostitutes”. It adds that El Hajeb, a town in central Morocco, is notorious for child prostitution.

The McCanns will today mark the 150th day since Madeleine’s disappearance by attending a church service near their home in Rothley, Leicestershire. “It is just another day without Madeleine,” a friend said.

The McCanns are now trying to keep life for their two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, as normal as possible. They have been told that Madeleine is on a “trip”. Gerry said: “Sean and Amelie have settled back into nursery, almost as if they have never been away.”

Last week the couple were given further encouragement after David Miliband, the foreign secretary, telephoned Gerry McCann. It is the first time he has contacted the couple since police accused them of being involved in their daughter’s death three weeks ago. The Times

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Portuguese detectives plan to send a legal letter to their British counterparts outlining more than 40 questions they insist the parents of Madeleine McCann must answer. The British police will then decide how and where the questions will be posed.

The move has been ordered by prosecutor Luis Bilro Verao, who issued a public statement earlier this month saying there was not enough evidence against Kate and Gerry McCann to order a fresh grilling about the little girl's disappearance.

The new interrogation will be based on more than 40 questions Kate McCann refused to answer when she was quizzed by police in Portimao on September 7. It will focus on two "missing" hours on a trip the McCanns made to the Spanish city of Huelva on August 3 when the McCanns reportedly 'evaporated' from the view of accompanying journalists.

They are said to suspect that Madeleine died in the holiday apartment at Praia da Luz and that her parents hid the body and moved it three months later on the trip to Spain. But the couple's spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, insisted yesterday that Mr and Mrs McCann, both 39-year-old doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, have a full account of their visit to Huelva.

He said the couple were never alone during the trip and were always in the company of PR adviser Jon Corner and a cameraman. There is even a video of the trip on the website YouTube, showing the McCanns handing out leaflets as part of their drive to find their daughter. Mr Mitchell said: "Kate and Gerry stopped several times to distribute leaflets and they had the car boot open all the time.

"They transported all the campaign material in it. If there had been a body in there, people would have seen." Spanish authorities said yesterday they have not been asked to investigate the Huelva trip.

Spokesman Manuel Bago insisted: "There is no investigation involving Madeleine's parents in the province of Huelva." Forensic tests from the McCanns' Renault Scenic hire car are expected back within two weeks. Police believe the results will give a "fresh breath" to the investigation.

Meanwhile, despite having their hopes dashed last week when a blonde child photographed in Morocco proved not to be their daughter, the couple believe North Africa may hold the key to her safe return. In Gerry's blog yesterday, he wrote: "When we hear of potential sightings of Madeleine, Kate and I try not to get too excited, otherwise we would be on a continuous emotional rollercoaster, more than that we are experiencing already. Daily Mail

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De Britse krant News of the World heeft anderhalf miljoen pond (2,1 miljoen euro) uitgeloofd voor de tip die leidt tot de veilige terugkeer van Madeleine McCann. Verschillende sterren en rijke Britten hebben een bijdrage geleverd aan het eindbedrag.

Al eerder werden flinke bedragen uitgeloofd om het meisje terug te vinden. Zo doneerde Sir Philip Green van de Topshop 360.000 euro. Sir Richard Branson schonk bijna 150.000 euro. Ook verschillende voetbalclubs stonden een geldbedrag af. (novum/svm)

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BRITISH cops launched an urgent hunt for a new suspect in the Maddie McCann case — after an astonishing tip-off from the PRINCE OF WALES.

An anonymous email sent to the prince's official website insists three-year-old Madeleine was kidnapped from the Mark Warner Ocean Club holiday resort in Portugal by a disgruntled ex-employee.
The informant named a maid who was sacked from the apartment complex in Praia da Luz and claimed she snatched the child in a crazed revenge plot.

British police are now liaising with Portuguese detectives over the dramatic new twist which is revealed 150 days after Maddie vanished.

But amazingly, despite the fresh lead, it was reported last night local cops were SCALING DOWN their operation. The hunt that began with nearly 1,000 Portuguese officers has now dwindled to a 20-man investigation. British police believe the tipster entrusted the new information to Prince Charles because he and wife Camilla came out firmly in support of Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry.

In a statement released from Clarence House in May, the royal couple said they had been following the case "closely and with deep concern" and "fervently hoped" Madeleine would be reunited with her family. As soon as the whistleblower's email arrived on the royal website aides passed it to Scotland Yard.

Officers from Leicestershire police— the McCanns' local force—are now trying to trace the writer. The detectives have already established that the named ex-employee EXISTS and the checkable details appear to be ACCURATE.

A police source said: "There have been hundreds of Madeleine theories, sightings and tips sent into UK cops from members of the public. But this one is different. "It's incredibly detailed and so far, from the inquiries being made in Portugal, it appears to be based on factual events.

"UK officers have been taking a back seat in the hunt for Madeleine as it's a Portuguese inquiry. But they couldn't ignore this information. "Any clue which could shed new light on the case will be dealt with seriously. This could be very significant." De rest op News of the World

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Madeleine McCann may have been kidnapped by a disgruntled maid in revenge for her sacking by the Praia da Luz resort where the three-year-old disappeared 150 days ago, according to a tip-off received by British police.

An anonymous informant named the ex-employee in a detailed email sent to Prince Charles's official website, claiming she acted out of bitterness towards the resort's operator, Mark Warner Ocean Club, said the News of the World.

British police called the email "significant", and said the details they had been able to check had proved to be correct. Now Leicestershire Police are trying to trace the writer, and have passed the information to Portuguese detectives. The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said they were "encouraged" by the development.

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On the 150th day since their daughter Madeleine went missing, Kate and Gerry McCann have again been linked with her death in the Portuguese press.

Despite repeated pleas from their spokesman Clarence Mitchell, the couple have again faced accusations that they are implicated in the disappearance of the four-year-old.

Portuguese tabloid newspaper 24 Horas yesterday alleged that Madeleine fell down a flight of stairs at the Mark Warner holiday complex in Praia de Luz, hitting her head on a ceramic flagstone.

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Op maandag 1 oktober 2007 11:45 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Ben je een weekeindje weg en dan wordt er een complot met een nanny wereldkundig....

Hebben jullie dit al gezien?
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http://www.viewlondon.co.(...)-after-18299361.html

Hoeveel zout moeten we hierbij gebruiken?

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Hoe komen ze er toch op elke keer, of zouden zij ook een anonieme tip hebben gehad?

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Maar als ik het goed heb begrepen dan heeft iemand info op de site van prins Charles achtergelaten waarin de naam van de maid werd genoemd en dat dit mogelijk een wraakactie kan zijn omdat ze is ontslagen?
Een maid zal idd het park goed kennen en ook weten waar je langs moet om ongezien te blijven.
Ik weet zo net nog niet of ik die verhalen geloof, eerst maar eens afwachten wat de testen zeggen en die vrouw zelf als ze wordt gevonden.

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Op maandag 1 oktober 2007 14:38 schreef moussie het volgende:

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een hele hoop denk ik ..

het is anyway schandelijk, vandaag treed die nieuwe wet in werking, alhoewel we nog maar moeten afwachten of dat ook voor dit geval opgaat, en dit lijkt nou echt als nog even snel een trap onder de gordel met wilde speculaties voor je de kopij weer ziet slinken omdat iedereen de dossiers heeft
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de grote duim ? Alhoewel ik de portugese politie er inmiddels wel voor aanzie om als de ene theorie niet werkt maar op een volgende over te stappen, men lijkt er alles aan te willen doen om de McCanns schuldig te verklaren, als het niet kan op de ene manier dan maar op een andere .. kind verwaarloosd, spreken met de media ..
Als je even uitgaat van mijn speculatie, dat de politie op de een of andere manier hierbij betrokken is, zou je haast denken dat de McCanns onder druk gezet worden om hun eigen onderzoek te stoppen ..
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ik ben ook benieuwd, het is wel een hele rare twist .. waarom niet je eigen politie benaderen ?

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A new sighting was reported yesterday, when James Valarino, 65, from Gibralter, said he was convinced that he had seen Madeleine in the town of Tangiers with a north European man on August 8. The man ran off with the girl when Mr Valarino called Madeleine’s name, the Sunday Express reported.

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Op maandag 1 oktober 2007 11:45 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Ben je een weekeindje weg en dan wordt er een complot met een nanny wereldkundig....

Hebben jullie dit al gezien?
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http://www.viewlondon.co.(...)-after-18299361.html

Hoeveel zout moeten we hierbij gebruiken?
Hoe komen ze er toch op elke keer, of zouden zij ook een anonieme tip hebben gehad?
Maar als ik het goed heb begrepen dan heeft iemand info op de site van prins Charles achtergelaten waarin de naam van de maid werd genoemd en dat dit mogelijk een wraakactie kan zijn omdat ze is ontslagen?
Een maid zal idd het park goed kennen en ook weten waar je langs moet om ongezien te blijven.
Ik weet zo net nog niet of ik die verhalen geloof, eerst maar eens afwachten wat de testen zeggen en die vrouw zelf als ze wordt gevonden.

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"Details of the tip-off came as a Portuguese newspaper reported that detectives believe Madeleine died by falling down a short flight of stairs at the ground-floor holiday apartment. Two senior police sources allegedly told 24 Horas there were “strong suspicions” that the girl had smashed the back of her head against ceramic tiles on the steps.

However, there was a child-proof safety gate at the top of the only stairs that lead from the rear patio down to the street. The newspaper said that the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham had discovered samples which showed that Madeleine had died of a head wound. But it is highly unlikely that traces of bodily fluids and hair recovered from the McCanns’ apartment and hire car would allow for such a conclusion to be drawn."

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"Madeleine McCann's grandmother has claimed that the missing four-year-old was drugged before being abducted in Portugal. Eileen McCann said that otherwise, her granddaughter would have screamed when she was taken from the family's holiday apartment. The 69-year-old was speaking to the Belfast Telegraph 150 days after the toddler went missing from the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

Madeleine's grandmother, originally from Co Donegal but now living in Scotland, said that the family have been "going through hell" since the little girl's disappearance. I really believe [whoever took her] gave her a drug. "There is no way they carried her out of there without her wakening.

"If she was taken when she was sleeping by somebody she did not know she would have screamed the place down." Mrs McCann condemned suggestions that her son Gerry and daughter-in-law Kate were connected to their daughter's disappearance. "My son and Kate would never even slap their child, never mind do anything to harm her," she said.

They are running away from nobody because they are innocent." She also criticised the Portuguese investigation, as well as rubbishing claims that DNA evidence found in the car hired by Madeleine's parents after she vanished proved her body had been in the vehicle.

"We always keep in touch and we are always there for each other," she said, adding that local people knew her family would not be involved in Madeleine's disappearance. Kate and Gerry McCann spent a quiet day in their home town of Rothley in Leicestershire to mark the 150 days since their daughter disappeared.

They are adamant that she was abducted but police in Portugal were described as "100 per cent" certain that the little girl died in the family's apartment in the Algarve. The couple's spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said: "It is just ludicrous. All of these reports are unsourced and unsubstantiated." telegraph.co.uk

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Op maandag 1 oktober 2007 15:44 schreef Suko het volgende:
Oh oh oh, en wat zegt opoe McCann: Madeleine McCann drugged, says grandmother
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Met ook het verhaal van de trapval. Zou het kunnen dat ze alvast een verhaal in elkaar flansen mocht het uiteindelijke rapport van het Britse Lab toch sporen van sedatie hebben gevonden?

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One of Portugal's top prosecutors has launched an astonishing personal attack on the father of Madeleine McCann, accusing him of being a 'negligent' father.

Carlos Anjos, president of the Judicial Police Inspectors Union, cited what he called a recent "ridiculous episode" when Gerry McCann revealed he believed Madeleine's abductor was hiding in the apartment on the evening of May 3 when he went to check on his three children.

He said: "Four months after his daughter disappeared, during which time he was interviewed several times by the Judicial Police, he remembers that there was a man hiding in the apartment where his three children were sleeping, when he went to check they were okay.

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Op maandag 1 oktober 2007 16:26 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Dit is natuurlijk schoppen om het schoppen, ik denk dat de Portugezen echt met de rug tegen de muur staan, geen bewijzen, geen back-up vanuit het Britse lab, ze gaan nu wel heel ver met al die aantijgingen, ze verdraaien alles.

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He said: "Four months after his daughter disappeared, during which time he was interviewed several times by the Judicial Police, he remembers that there was a man hiding in the apartment where his three children were sleeping, when he went to check they were okay

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Op maandag 1 oktober 2007 16:15 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Ik ben nog steeds van mening dat een complot met meerdere mensen uitgesloten is, dan was er al wel duidelijkheid geweest, dan was er wel 1 geweestd die zich onder al die aandacht en spanning niet meer kon inhouden.
Er is al zoveel gezegd en geschreven over sedatie, pillen, injecties. mishandeling, verwaarlozing e.d. dat ik me kan voorstellen dat oma een tegenoffensief begint als er weer een keertje een reporter voor haar neus staat, ik sluit niet uit dat de ouders er meer van weten maar al die media en riooljournalistiek leggen zo'n rookgordijn dat iemand die de dossiers niet heeft, wij dus oa, er niets zinnigs meer over kunnen zeggen, dat neemt niet weg dat de soap volgen in de kranten en van gedachten wisselen over alle hersenspinsels best interessant is.

Dit al gelezen? http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007450582,00.html

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Op maandag 1 oktober 2007 21:05 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Daily Express : MADELEINE: SHE IS IN MOROCCO

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Op maandag 1 oktober 2007 21:12 schreef Stali het volgende:

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Marokko is ook net Denemarken, allemaal blonde meisjes. .

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Op maandag 1 oktober 2007 23:56 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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En dat komt door de Noormannen?

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The head of Portugal's police federation has launched an astonishing attack on Gerry and Kate McCann, accusing them of "hindering" the investigation into their daughter's disappearance. The attack came amid claims that strands of hair that could be Madeleine's had been found behind a sofa in the family's apartment at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

The hair is being examined, along with blood samples found on a wall in the apartment, by the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham for any traces which could prove whether the missing four-year-old was drugged. One of the theories apparently being examined by police is that Madeleine died after being sedated by her parents, both 39-year-old doctors from Rothley, Leics.

Police supposedly believe they may then have covered up the death by hiding the body and moving it weeks later in their Renault hire car. The hair sample was found close to where English sniffer dogs reportedly detected blood and the "scent of death" in the apartment, and police believe it may be "decisive", according to the Portuguese newspaper Journal de Noticias.

The latest attack on the couple came from Carlos Anjos, the head of the federation of criminal police, which represents officers from the Policia Judiciaria investigating the case.

Mr Anjos added to the growing tension between the McCanns and the Portuguese authorities, accusing them of using "diversion tactics" to distract from the investigation and deliberately "hindering" the inquiry. "Since their daughter disappeared, Gerry and Kate have followed a strategy of almost daily announcements of new facts," he told the Diario de Noticias. He claimed these "facts" were hindering the investigation.

He was also critical of what he called the "ridiculous episode" in which Mr McCann feared he was in the same room as his daughter's abductor when he checked on his three children on the evening of May 3, shortly before Madeleine's disappearance.

Mr McCann had told a friend how he thought little at the time of a door that was ajar - which he had previously believed closed - but said he had since begun to realise his daughter's abductor could have been hiding there. Mr Anjos, who has also been involved in the case, said: "If he was suspicious that there was a man in the apartment, and then he calmly went to dinner, then words cannot describe how negligent he is as a father."

Clarence Mitchell, the family's spokesman, said Mr McCann's realisation that he had been in the same room as the abductor only came to him later and the comments had been "totally misunderstood" by Mr Anjos. "This was said in the original witness statement," Mr Mitchell said. "There is nothing that has come out recently that should be of surprise to the officers."

He added that the suggestion the couple were seeking to hinder the case was "completely untrue". "I would suggest the same goes for the sources in Portugal - but far more so," he said. "There is no deliberate campaign to get in the way of the police investigation. This has been done in a spirit of co-operation."

Meanwhile, Mr McCann's mother, Eileen, dismissed claims about the DNA allegedly found in the couple's hire car, telling the Belfast Telegraph: "Little Amelie is wearing Madeleine's sandals and she is in and out of the car. Cuddly toys are in it. It's nonsense." telegraph.co.uk

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The Portuguese detective in charge of the Madeleine McCann investigation today launched an astonishing attack on British officers, accusing them of only working for Madeleine's parents.

Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral broke his silence to say: "British police have only worked on what the McCann couple want them to work on."

The outburst comes amid growing evidence of hostility between Portuguese police and their counterparts in Leicestershire over the direction of the case.

Mr Amaral said that British officers appeared only to be following lines of inquiry provided by Kate and Gerry McCann, both of whom are official suspects in the disappearance of the four-year-old.

Embarrassingly, the detective's remarks come just days after it was revealed he was works for as little as four--and-a-half hours a day.
It has also been claimed he has enjoyed boozy lunches - despite a mountain of uninvestigated sightings of Madeleine McCann.

Speaking in the respected Portuguese newspaper Diario de Noticias, Mr Amaral seemed particularly angered that Leicestershire police were following a tip emailed to Prince Charles's official website suggesting that a disgruntled maid, working at the Ocean Club apartment complex, which is where Madeleine vanished, may have kidnapped her.

He said: "The lead has no credibility for the Portuguese police.
British police have come to investigate tips and information developed and worked on by the McCanns, forgetting that the couple are suspected of the death of their daughter Madeleine."

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Op dinsdag 2 oktober 2007 10:29 schreef Suko het volgende:
Police chief accuses Madeleine McCann's parents of hindering inquiry
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Toch wel toevallig dat het nu door Gerry naar buiten wordt gebracht dat de ontwoerder al misschien in het apartement was en dat woordvoerder Mitchell nu beweerd dat het al was gezegd door Gerry destijds in het verhoor.

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En oma 'was er bij' zeker dat dat kleine Amelie Madiies sandalen droeg etc etc, ach oma McCann, komt op voor de dochter, wie zou dat niet doen, of het nou waar is of niet...hetzelfde verhaal (inclusief dat de ontvoerder Maddie eerst heeft gedrogeerd, volgens oma, op de BBC

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Ondertussen zijn de advocaten nu bezig met juridische stappen om de status als formeel verdachten van de McCanns op te heffen wat snippers uit The Times: "Madeleine’s parents are preparing a fresh legal bid to have their status as formal suspects in the disappearance of their daughter lifted and hope to clear their names before Christmas. Kate and Gerry McCann — who were made arguidos, or official suspects, in the case nearly four weeks ago — have instructed their lawyers to “explore every avenue” to have the status lifted, a friend said yesterday."

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En raadplegen de McCanns een boek van Gordon Smith, Britain’s “most accurate medium” en overwegen zelfs deze man in te huren: "Friends said that the McCann family were now so desperate for information about Madeleine’s whereabouts that they were considering employing a psychic. Mr and Mrs McCann have already consulted a book by Gordon Smith, who claims to be Britain’s “most accurate medium”, and are being urged by other members of the family to seek his views directly."

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The parents of Madeleine McCann are considering taking advice from psychics in the search for their missing daughter, a friend has confirmed.

Scottish relatives of Gerry and Kate McCann are understood to have been reading up on mystics and have been in contact with at least one. They are now urging the couple to take their advice.

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Op dinsdag 2 oktober 2007 11:45 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=485154&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

Wat zielig van die man, alsof de Britse politie moordenaars van een kind rond laten lopen en alleen onderzoeken wat zij zeggen, de Britten doen wat de Portugezen hadden moeten doen, domweg alle mogelijkheden onderzoeken, niet een conclusie trekken en daar tot vervelens toe, net een grammafoonplaat die vast loopt, aan vast blijven houden, they did it, they did it, they did it.
Het probleem hierbij is dat als je dan geen onderzoek doet naar alle mogelijke feiten je beschuldigingen kant noch wal raken, ze waren ervan overtuigd dat de McCanns wel door zouden slaan volgens mij, met een beetje 'help' van een paar brute agenten.
Wie het ook heeft gedaan, het maakt niet meer uit, het onderzoek is compleet naar de vaantjes geholpen door een agressieve, zelfingenomen, arrogante man die niet van plan is om ooit bij zichzelf te denken dat het misschien wel mogelijk is dat hij een paar fouten heeft gemaakt, nee, het is de schuld van de McCanns en de Britse politie dat hij zijn onderzoek niet heeft kunnen afronden met een belastende verklaring van (1 van) de ouders.

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Op dinsdag 2 oktober 2007 12:05 schreef moussie het volgende:

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ghehe .. moet je dit artikel eens lezen via babelfish .. en dat zijn dan Italianen, die zijn wel wat gewend dacht ik zo
http://www.lastampa.it/re(...)coli/25857girata.asp

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Op dinsdag 2 oktober 2007 12:37 schreef Suko het volgende:
En toch ga ik steeds meer de kant van de Portugese Justitie kiezen, althans die neiging heb ik. Misschien een beetje underdog-sympathie. Al die PR-berichten uit het McCann-kamp gaan me danig irriteren en wordt zo doorzichtig. Ook inderdaad steeds met 'nieuwe' feitjes komen en dan direct de PJ hiermee om de oren slaan is niet alleen irritant maar ook terecht de zaak frustreren, traineren etc, wetend dat ze met beperkte middelen moeten werken. Overigens zit ik nu ook op dit forum de laatste nieuwtjes door te nemen, heel interessant ondanks dat er natuulijk ook flauwe kul op staat. Voor- en tegenstanders en twijfelaars, dat leest best prettig.

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Op dinsdag 2 oktober 2007 12:37 schreef Suko het volgende:
En toch ga ik steeds meer de kant van de Portugese Justitie kiezen, althans die neiging heb ik. Misschien een beetje underdog-sympathie. Al die PR-berichten uit het McCann-kamp gaan me danig irriteren en wordt zo doorzichtig. Ook inderdaad steeds met 'nieuwe' feitjes komen en dan direct de PJ hiermee om de oren slaan is niet alleen irritant maar ook terecht de zaak frustreren, traineren etc, wetend dat ze met beperkte middelen moeten werken. Overigens zit ik nu ook op dit forum de laatste nieuwtjes door te nemen, heel interessant ondanks dat er natuulijk ook flauwe kul op staat. Voor- en tegenstanders en twijfelaars, dat leest best prettig.

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The Portuguese press say the police think that the McCann's may have used a trip to Huelva, which they consider as suspicious, to move the child's body

Portuguese Judicial Police from Portimao are meeting with Spanish colleagues in the Spanish city of Huelva today, according to the Spanish agency Europa Press in order to verify the details of the trip to the city which the McCann parents made on August 3, three months after the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine McCann.

The trip was taken in the company of a ‘reduced number of journalists’ according to reports, and made in the Renault Scenic car which later was found to have DNA remains.

Police think the trip may have been linked to the disposal of the body of Madeleine, and note that businesses in Huelva were closed on the day because it was a local fiesta.

The Portuguese police admit that the body could have been moved to somewhere close to Huelva, which is 50 kms over the border into Spain, according to the Portuguese newspaper ‘Correio da Manha’.

It comes as the Portuguese paper says the police have dismissed the reports that the child may have been kidnapped in some sort of revenge against the holiday complex Ocean Club, and they have added that the parents are ‘trying to distract and interrupt the investigation’.

(Niets persoonlijks, enkel een meningsverschilletje! )

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Op dinsdag 2 oktober 2007 12:37 schreef Suko het volgende:
En toch ga ik steeds meer de kant van de Portugese Justitie kiezen, althans die neiging heb ik. Misschien een beetje underdog-sympathie. Al die PR-berichten uit het McCann-kamp gaan me danig irriteren en wordt zo doorzichtig. Ook inderdaad steeds met 'nieuwe' feitjes komen en dan direct de PJ hiermee om de oren slaan is niet alleen irritant maar ook terecht de zaak frustreren, traineren etc, wetend dat ze met beperkte middelen moeten werken.

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Op dinsdag 2 oktober 2007 14:30 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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En als ze dat niet hadden gedaan? Als ze gewoon als dode vogeltjes thuis waren blijven zitten?
Dan waren ze wellicht net zo behandeld als de moeder van dat andere meisje, dan was er helemaal geen zaak geweest, dan hadden we ons hoofd geschud over hoe kunnen ouders hun eigen kind vermoorden en was er niets bekend geworden over de 'recherge' capaciteiten van de Portugezen.
Ik vind al die PR ook een beetje ver gaan maar dan mes snijdt naar 2 kanten, die woede aanvallen van het hoofd van het onderzoek daar en al dat moddergooien over en weer, zou dat nu echt goed zijn voor het onderzoek?
Ik twijfel ook over de schuldvraag, dat kan imho alleen opgelost worden als beide kampen samen gaan werken en daadwerkelijk een onderzoek gaan uitvoeren, ipv elkaar de zwarte piet toeschuiven.

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Op dinsdag 2 oktober 2007 14:36 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Ow help, Spanje en Portugal gaan samenwerken:
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Ik ben benieuwd of Portugal daar wel voet aan de grond krijgt met al die wilde theorieën.....
@ Suko, je zegt dat de Portugese politie de underdog is, ze hebben iig wel de mogelijkheid om alle bevindingen te toetsen, die kans hebben de McCanns niet, die mogen niks doen omdat ze anders 'het onderzoek' in gevaar brengen. ^{(Niets persoonlijks, enkel een meningsverschilletje! )}