[MMA] Centraal MMA topic #385 Holloway FW GOAT

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Op zondag 3 december 2017 06:46 schreef Nober het volgende:

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Zou het ook z'n vrouw zijn als hij een normale baan had?

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Op zondag 3 december 2017 06:46 schreef Nober het volgende:

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Kevin Lee on Conor McGregor: He Better Get His Sh*t Together – MMA Fighting

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Zou het ook z'n vrouw zijn als hij een normale baan had?

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Op zondag 3 december 2017 07:02 schreef Nober het volgende:

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Maar da's niet de moeder van z'n zoon toch?

Edit: Nee, ze is wel een tante.

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Op zondag 3 december 2017 17:04 schreef W.H.I.S.T.L.E het volgende:
Ik begrijp niet waarom de choke van Charles niet werkte bij Felder.

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Op zondag 3 december 2017 21:04 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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The UFC is such a fucking joke right now.

1. Heavyweight: The champ can't get a fight because WME knows dick about marketing and won't pay him.
2. LHW: The champ is at the tail end of his career, his only challenger is a thrice-busted PED/cocaine junkie who is pissing his life away.
3. MW: The champ is the most popular welterweight of all time, with the belt having been up in the air and split for nearly two years, and neither champ nor interim champ having a challenger or defense lined up.
4. WW: TyroneLOLWTFOMG
5. LW: LMAO. Conor's never coming back.
6. FW; Real champ who just defended his belt in spectacular fashion. WME has no idea how to market it.
7. BW: The champ is preparing for a "superfight" against the 125-pound snooze machine that nobody ever watches anyways.
8: Women's FW: OMGCYBORGLOL, plus three other women.
9: Women's BW: Juiced-up Brazilian lesbian
10: Women's 125: Placeholder until a real fighter drops down or moves up. Hopefully 2018 will have a bright spot and Meisha will return to claim this division.
11: Women's 115: THUG ROSE MOTHERFUCKERS. A real fighter, real champ, real division with real contenders. WME will screw this u

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Op maandag 4 december 2017 13:04 schreef Paxlie het volgende:
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Aldo postfight, die is echt kapot geslagen zeg

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Op maandag 4 december 2017 15:58 schreef Geo4kant het volgende:

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Wat zijn die benen lol, dit is het origineel

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Op maandag 4 december 2017 09:51 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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p.

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Op dinsdag 5 december 2017 13:48 schreef incognitoomuch het volgende:
Wel mooi om te horen dat Holloway nog steeds humble bleef toen Joe aan hem vroeg of hij zich nu kan vergelijken met de P4P greatest.

...en hoe vet zou een superfight tegen Ferguson zijn.

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Op maandag 4 december 2017 00:36 schreef LuieSurinamer het volgende:
Wat ben ik blij dat die Overeem gestrekt ging.
Als ik iemand niet kan uitstaan is het die arrogante zak wel.
Aldo mag ook wel stoppen nu hoor.

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Op dinsdag 5 december 2017 15:21 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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heb je een persoonlijke ervaring met hem gehad of van horen zeggen?

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Op dinsdag 5 december 2017 15:21 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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heb je een persoonlijke ervaring met hem gehad of van horen zeggen?

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Op dinsdag 5 december 2017 15:54 schreef Splackavellie02 het volgende:
Ik heb nooit problemen met Alistair gehad.

Met Yvel daarentegen..

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Op dinsdag 5 december 2017 17:02 schreef Nober het volgende:

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7 inch reach advantage.

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Op dinsdag 5 december 2017 17:02 schreef Nober het volgende:


7 inch reach advantage.

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Op dinsdag 5 december 2017 16:59 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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binnen of buiten de gym?

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Op dinsdag 5 december 2017 18:33 schreef Splackavellie02 het volgende:

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Binnen. Die gozer trapte jochies van 16/17 af

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Op dinsdag 5 december 2017 18:51 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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Ali had ook zo zijn slechte dagen in de gym

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Op dinsdag 5 december 2017 19:06 schreef Splackavellie02 het volgende:

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Die heb ik niet meegemaakt. Ik trainde niet in Yvel zijn gym, maar was een keer mee geweest met een vriend van me die daar wel trainde. Na die training had ik gekneusde ribben en twee dagen bloed in mijn ontlasting. En dat is zo'n 15 jaar geleden, toen ik 17 was en 65 kilo woog.

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Op woensdag 6 december 2017 08:33 schreef incognitoomuch het volgende:
Sean Shelby's Shoes: What's next for Jose Aldo and UFC 218's other losing fighters?

Vooral Velasquez vs. Overeem kan best interessant zijn...

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Op woensdag 6 december 2017 10:51 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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ik vermoed dat cain retired is en Cees even 6 maanden vakantie na die zware KO

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Op woensdag 6 december 2017 10:54 schreef Splackavellie02 het volgende:

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En na die Shogun KO kon hij al niet op eigen benen staan. Jaren geleden stond er op YouTube een video van Overeem na dat gevecht, waarin hij volledig van de wereld was.

ALISTAIR OVEREEM VS MAURICIO SHOGUN RUA (BACKSTAGE FOOTAGE) - PRIDE FINAL CONFLICT 2005

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Op woensdag 6 december 2017 12:20 schreef Nober het volgende:
Hopelijk wint Ortega van Cub.

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Op woensdag 6 december 2017 12:53 schreef W.H.I.S.T.L.E het volgende:
Winnaar Miocic vs N'Gannou tegen Cain. Cain die dan de stijl van Khabib gaat uitvoeren.

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Op woensdag 6 december 2017 12:20 schreef Nober het volgende:
Hopelijk wint Ortega van Cub.

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Wel een mogelijke title eliminator, eerst maar eens Miocic vs N'Gannou.

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Op woensdag 6 december 2017 15:53 schreef incognitoomuch het volgende:
Wat vinden jullie trouwens van Sean O'Malley

Zit een hoop hype op die gast. Vecht wel lekker agressief... maar ik krijg een beetje het idee dat hij een beetje overhyped is. Net zoals Sage Northcut

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Op woensdag 6 december 2017 15:53 schreef incognitoomuch het volgende:
Wat vinden jullie trouwens van Sean O'Malley

Zit een hoop hype op die gast. Vecht wel lekker agressief... maar ik krijg een beetje het idee dat hij een beetje overhyped is. Net zoals Sage Northcut

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Op woensdag 6 december 2017 17:13 schreef Nober het volgende:
UFC is facing its most important contract negotiation

With the UFC’s seven-year contract with FOX expiring at the end of next year, the company is in talks with a number of networks and hopes to wrap up a deal shortly.

The UFC is in the midst of negotiating a contract that will do more to determine its long-term economic success than any other for perhaps a half dozen or more years.

The seven-year television contract between the UFC and FOX expires on Dec. 31, 2018. According to sources close to the situation, the UFC is hoping to have a new deal at least verbally agreed to by the end of this month, or at worst, in early 2018.

Unlike most major sports, where television revenue is far and away the leading source of income, the UFC has had two major revenue streams: Its television deals, particularly in the U.S. and Brazil, and revenue from pay-per-view.

But long-term, since pay-per-view is so unpredictable — almost entirely predicated on a few major stars who themselves often seem bent on self-destruction — television looks to be the key as we go forward.

Sports Business Journal reported recently that the UFC's exclusive negotiation window with FOX expired in October and the company has opened talks with a number of potential suitors.

The story indicated that the UFC, which will receive $160 million from FOX in 2018, the final year of the current deal, could have gotten an increase to $200 million on a multi-year contract from FOX. The UFC had been seeking anywhere from $420 million to $450 million for U.S. television rights. It was a belief that they would get a sizeable increase that pushed the bidding for ownership last year to reach just under $4 billion last year.

But so much is about timing.

In 2016, the prevailing opinion in television was that people were scared of the future. Between more and more DVR usage — meaning people were less likely to be watching advertising — and more competition as people familiarize themselves with streaming content, there was great concern about the economic future of television as it had been for decades. And there still is.

Live sports were considered the saving grace. The idea is that live sports were DVR proof, and thus, rights fees for sports started skyrocketing as networks went to sign long-term deals with the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NASCAR and major college football and basketball. The skyrocketing numbers came at a time when the UFC was locked up with its FOX deal, with numbers that looked great in 2011 when it was put together, but not nearly so great by 2016 standards.

The positive is with the other major sports all locked in for many years to come, the UFC would be the lone major sports franchise up for grabs at a time when interest from major television conglomerates looking to lock up long-term deals for live sports was peaking. Currently, the UFC runs anywhere from two to five-plus hours of live prime time programming most Saturday nights.

And, the company was loaded with stars. Conor McGregor was a phenomenon as a draw, and Ronda Rousey wasn't far behind. While not as big a draw, Jon Jones was just entering his prime, could draw big with the right opponent, and was viewed by many as the greatest fighter in history. Georges St-Pierre, one of the company's biggest drawing cards in history, was all over the news talking a comeback. Even more attractive to television is that women fighters like Miesha Tate, Holly Holm, and Paige VanZant had proven they could headline events and draw strong television numbers. And the UFC was still reaching a younger audience than most major sports, which theoretically looked good for the future.

The television industry itself, whether it was sports or entertainment programming, had become accustomed to numbers for most things eroding. Yet, the UFC was appearing to be on the ascent, and more importantly, its fan base showed no sign of burning out over the endless hours of content.

While FS1 main cards were almost unchanged from 2015 to 2016, increasing 0.6 percent, the prelims were up 9.7 percent, averaging 996,000 and 767,500 viewers respectively. Essentially that meant the UFC’s audience was more willing to watch more hours of Saturday night programming than ever before.

The FOX shows were up six percent, to a 3,005,000 average, and increased from four shows to six, including a taped replay of a pay-per-view event on Christmas Eve that did phenomenal numbers.

UFC president Dana White recently scoffed at talk of the company having a bad year in 2017 economically, saying it was the best financial year in company history. For straight profit and loss, when you consider a combination of all the cost-cutting, the annual escalators in the television contract and the company's cut of the McGregor vs. Floyd Mayweather windfall, this easily could be the most profitable year in company history. But the UFC is not as popular.

Timing is everything. Had the UFC's contract expired a year earlier, and potential suitors were looking at last year's numbers and the growth, the value of the new television contract would be sky high.

But FOX offering only a modest increase is because one year later, everything looks very different. While there are exceptions with some major events, televised sports aren't holding up as well as hoped for, and the UFC has hardly been an exception. At the same time, the number of people with access to the major cable channels is falling, most notably with ESPN, a company that has had two recent rounds of major layoffs, but also figured to have interest in the UFC for the next contract term.

ESPN is faced with substantial declines in accessible homes, which its main revenue stream is based upon. ESPN is also on the hook for gigantic long-term contracts, numbers that escalate for years to come, most notably its NFL and NBA deals. This may not be the time for ESPN to add another expensive money deal.

Thus far in 2017, with two FS1 shows and one FOX show left, the FS1 main cards are averaging 866,000 viewers, down 13.1 percent. The prelims of the FS1 shows are averaging 722,000 viewers, down 5.9 percent. FOX specials are down 30.9 percent to 2,077,000. Pay-per-view is down even more, but those numbers really aren't significant when it comes to a new television deal.

The only close to encouraging sign is those who are watching FS1 on Saturday this year are, on average, even more apt to watch the prelims than even last year.

Worse, the starpower going forward is a lot less secure. White openly said recently that he didn't know if McGregor would ever fight again, and hoped Rousey wouldn't. Jones is facing his second drug suspension and could be a nonentity for some time to come. St-Pierre eventually did come back, which was a positive. On the women's side, Tate retired, Holm kept losing and her drawing power on FOX declined greatly from the prior year, and the celebrity boost VanZant got off her strong showing on "Dancing With The Stars" has faded.

Still, as White has pointed out, the history is that new stars will emerge. The reality is that the shelf life on top of most stars is going to be only a few years, and every few years somebody new emerges. But right now, nobody has shown signs of being that future superstar who can carry the company.

The Sports Business Journal story said that the UFC has held meetings with CBS, NBC, ESPN, Turner Sports, Amazon, and Oath (the parent company of Yahoo). The key to this is that even if ratings and star power have declined, if the UFC gets multiple bidders, it can still drive the price up. It's also possible they can cut a deal like the NBA or NFL, where they are on multiple networks.

Sources have indicated the NBC pitch included having big fights on the network, regular shows on NBC Sports Network, as well as live shows to help build an NBC Sports digital streaming service.

Sports Business Journal claimed Turner Sports showed the most interest. An exclusive with Turner Sports would eliminate the UFC's most-watched shows, the major broadcast network Saturday night shows that CBS, NBC and FOX could offer.

On paper, NBC Sports Network vs. FS1, doesn't look like a major difference. As of August, FS1 was in 84,421,000 homes, while NBC Sports Network was in 84,439,000 homes. ESPN was in 87,217,000 homes, but it draws far higher base ratings and is considered the home for sports fans. Plus, ESPN would offer more coverage on SportsCenter, which would give the average sports fan the impression that the UFC was more important. Turner Broadcasting's key stations, TBS and TNT, are in 91,894,000 and 90,881,000 homes respectively.

Another key in the negotiations is the quality of shows. If the UFC cuts back to six pay-per-view shows per year, that would leave openings for a lot more high-profile fights and championship fights for television, which could turn the numbers around.

Most UFC shows these days, if we eliminate the big-attraction events that will almost surely remain on pay-per-view, are doing around 200,000 buys. If we estimate they generate about $30 per order in revenue, that's about $6 million per event. That means, to give up six shows on pay-per-view and provide stronger television matches, the UFC has to get a minimum of $36 million per year extra. And that also becomes an issue with certain main event and championship fighters, because those with pay-per-view points in their contract, now not on pay-per-view, would also have to find a way to recoup that lost income.

https://www.mmafighting.c(...)contract-negotiation

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Op woensdag 6 december 2017 21:30 schreef Nober het volgende:
Ze zijn bezig met UFC 221 Whittaker vs Rockhold nog niet officieel.

Onbekend of ze GSP strippen, hij wil zijn titel niet verdedigen.

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Op donderdag 7 december 2017 00:24 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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GSP, mag best wel wat tijd gebruiken, dat ze eens beginnen met conor te strippen.

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Op donderdag 7 december 2017 12:36 schreef superniger het volgende:
RIP STIPE

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Op donderdag 7 december 2017 08:18 schreef Haunter het volgende:

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Bizar dat Conor zo’n voorkeursbehandeling krijgt. Vooral irritant ook.

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Op vrijdag 8 december 2017 02:19 schreef Nober het volgende:
Here’s why Conor’s next fight will be in a boxing ring. If his next fight is in the UFC, you can’t do PPV in the UK and Eire as broadcast rights are already sold. Very low $. If it’s a boxing match, you can. That’s another 1-1.2 million PPV’s at $19 USD in UK & $29 USD in Eire.

And then you got another couple million buys from North America at 89 or 99 bucks. That’s where the real money is but UK and Eire PPV is big component, too.

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Hopelijk voor de echte belt, co main Woodley vs Covington?

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Op vrijdag 8 december 2017 02:19 schreef Nober het volgende:
Here’s why Conor’s next fight will be in a boxing ring. If his next fight is in the UFC, you can’t do PPV in the UK and Eire as broadcast rights are already sold. Very low $. If it’s a boxing match, you can. That’s another 1-1.2 million PPV’s at $19 USD in UK & $29 USD in Eire.

And then you got another couple million buys from North America at 89 or 99 bucks. That’s where the real money is but UK and Eire PPV is big component, too.

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Hopelijk voor de echte belt, co main Woodley vs Covington?

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Op vrijdag 8 december 2017 12:27 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:

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En tegen wie moet Conor dan gaan boksen? Het was lachen tegen Mayweather maar het zal wel meevallen met de 'millions in the US' die nog zo'n boksmatch van Conor willen zien en er een PPV bedrag voor willen betalen.

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Op vrijdag 8 december 2017 13:15 schreef incognitoomuch het volgende:

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De La Hoya...
Paquiao...
Alvarez...

Dan benne die fans wel betalen.

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Op vrijdag 8 december 2017 14:34 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:

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Tja, voor een keertje was 'best of boxing' vs 'best of mma' leuk zo, maar nu is het speciale er wel vanaf denk ik. Het blijven wel grote namen met hun schare (hardcore) fans natuurlijk. Of Conor moet echt veel beter worden in boksen.

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Op vrijdag 8 december 2017 14:34 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:

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Tja, voor een keertje was 'best of boxing' vs 'best of mma' leuk zo, maar nu is het speciale er wel vanaf denk ik. Het blijven wel grote namen met hun schare (hardcore) fans natuurlijk. Of Conor moet echt veel beter worden in boksen.

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Op vrijdag 8 december 2017 02:12 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
Robert Whittaker vs. Luke Rockhold slated for UFC 221

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Op vrijdag 8 december 2017 21:35 schreef Nober het volgende:
Pacquiao dus.

In the boxing world, reports tonight Manny Pacquiao - 39 later this month - has confirmed he's opened talks to fight Conor McGregor in April next year.

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Op zaterdag 9 december 2017 18:06 schreef Nober het volgende:

Wie gaan er live kijken?

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Op zaterdag 9 december 2017 18:06 schreef Nober het volgende:
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Wie gaan er live kijken?

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Op zaterdag 9 december 2017 19:03 schreef Nober het volgende:

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Montano vs Modafferi
6x 125lb
2x 185lb
2x 135lb
1x 130lb
=1520lbs

Swanson vs Ortega
6x 135lb
2x 185lb
2x 155lb
2x 145lb
1x 125lb
=1905lb (1535lbs als je de twee middengewichtgevechten eraf haalt)

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Op zaterdag 9 december 2017 18:06 schreef Nober het volgende:
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Wie gaan er live kijken?

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Op zaterdag 9 december 2017 18:06 schreef Nober het volgende:
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Wie gaan er live kijken?

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Op zondag 10 december 2017 00:48 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:
Weer Rick Flair's in het publiek. Of is dat steeds de door de UFC ingehuurde dude?

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Op woensdag 6 december 2017 13:37 schreef Haunter het volgende:

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Deze? Damn..

ALISTAIR OVEREEM VS MAURICIO SHOGUN RUA (BACKSTAGE FOOTAGE) - PRIDE FINAL CONFLICT 2005

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Op zondag 10 december 2017 01:58 schreef Nober het volgende:
Welterusten.

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Op zondag 10 december 2017 01:42 schreef Hooidraad het volgende:
Is Josh Rosenthal terug?

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Op zondag 10 december 2017 13:03 schreef Nober het volgende:

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arielhelwani twitterde op zondag 10-12-2017 om 06:01:46 No update on Sterling. Never show him after the KO. They move on to a PPV promo. Hate that. Audience deserves some… https://t.co/fe44CyzqCs reageer retweet

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Cormier werd geinterviewd en al maar als er een KO gaat en niet opstaat houden ze hem buiten beeld.

Vreemd.

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Op dinsdag 12 december 2017 13:56 schreef MisterJ.Lo het volgende:
Die Cees verdient het meest en zo indrukwekkend is hij niet.

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Op dinsdag 12 december 2017 15:44 schreef Nober het volgende:

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3 miljoen voor McGregor.
2,5 miljoen voor Brock Lesnar die al werd gesloopt door Overeem.
2,5 miljoen voor GSP tegen Bisping.
2 miljoen voor Diaz.
1 miljoen voor Khabib tijdens UFC 209, ging niet door.
750k voor Mark Hunt.

Maar het meerendeel komt niet aan de $100k per gevecht. UFC betaald maar weinig aan hun vechters, dacht onder de 15% van wat ze aan geld binnenhalen.

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Op dinsdag 12 december 2017 13:56 schreef MisterJ.Lo het volgende:
Die Cees verdient het meest en zo indrukwekkend is hij niet.

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Op dinsdag 12 december 2017 16:55 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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Zijn fight tegen hondenbrok sleepte hij 2,5 miljoen binnen. dus hij is er op achteruit gegaan.
Hij zit nu op een flat fee contract, alles vast niks variabel, win or lose, maakt niet uit.

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Op dinsdag 12 december 2017 16:14 schreef MisterJ.Lo het volgende:

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Dat laatste klopt maar daarom is het zo raar dat ze zoveel aan Cees geven. Nooit indrukwekkend geweest in de UFC.

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Op dinsdag 12 december 2017 19:12 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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Op dinsdag 12 december 2017 22:59 schreef W.H.I.S.T.L.E het volgende:

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sommige vechters,zoals Holloway en Cowboy hebben zo een Monster energie embleem, krijgen deze geen extra sponsorgeld naast Reebok?

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Op dinsdag 12 december 2017 23:54 schreef Nober het volgende:
UFC-USADA loophole could be letting chosen athletes avoid testing in secret

The UFC’s Anti-Doping policy contains a loophole that could let athletes avoid testing by “retiring” and “un-retiring” in secret with the UFC’s permission. USADA refuses to disclose information about the registered testing pool that would prevent these exemptions from staying secret.

Dana White recently claimed that Ronda Rousey isn’t retired, and that “USADA is still popping up at her house testing her, but she refuses to retire.” USADA maintains a database of all tests conducted, but according to this database, Rousey hasn’t been tested at all in 2017.

Rousey was last tested in the fourth quarter of 2016 according to the list. Her last fight was a losing effort to Amanda Nunes at UFC 207 on December 30th, 2016.

Since it’s theoretically possible that Rousey has been in the registered testing pool (RTP) this entire time, but hasn’t been tested, I decided to try to find out exactly what was happening. During that process, I discovered something disconcerting:

There is a loophole in the UFC’s anti-doping policy that allows them to secretly exempt athletes from testing if they so choose.

Exemptions and secrecy
Under the WADA code, athletes returning from retirement have to undergo testing for six months. WADA may give a waiver after consulting the relevant national anti-doping organization and sport federation. Under the UFC’s anti-doping policy, the UFC gives the waiver. I wrote about that here.

That wouldn’t be a big deal if we knew which athletes had retired. If an athlete suspiciously retired and un-retired, skipping the testing pool whenever they didn’t have a fight, we would notice, right? Wrong.

It turns out the UFC and USADA can, and do, hide that information. There is no way for anyone to see who is and is not part of the registered testing pool at any time. USADA cannot or will not confirm which athletes are part of the pool, and the UFC, thus far, haven’t even responded to questions about it.

We have a situation where we can’t find out who is and isn’t in the testing pool, and the UFC president appears to be making incorrect statements about who is and isn’t being tested to the media.

This means, in theory, even if an athlete publicly says they are retired, they might not be. And even if Dana White says they aren’t retired, they might officially be retired as far as USADA is concerned. We would have no way of verifying that information, and Dana has a habit of being less than truthful when it comes to public statements.

Since the names of the athletes in the pool are a secret, and the UFC has the final decision on granting exemptions to retired athletes, there’s nothing stopping the UFC from letting a chosen athlete “retire” to avoid testing, lying to the press about them being retired, then allowing them to “un-retire” just before a fight to avoid months of testing. Their opponent, the media, and the public would have no way of knowing. That’s not to say this is happening, but the system, as it operates now, could allow it to happen.

Have athletes been exempted before?
Normally an athlete has to be in the testing pool for six months if they “un-retire.” In the past this clause was four months. It was part of this four-month testing period that Brock Lesnar skipped when he signed to fight at UFC 200. Instead of being tested for the 16 weeks retired athletes were supposed to under the anti-doping policy, he was tested for around five weeks.

It subsequently emerged that Brock Lesnar provided an out-of-competition sample prior to UFC 200 which was positive for the banned substance clomiphene. The result of the test wasn’t returned until after his UFC 200 bout.

The decision to exempt Lesnar was controversial at the time, even before he tested positive for a banned substance. It’s possible other athletes have had similar exemptions without the public ever becoming aware of it.

According to data provided by @dimspace, there are around 10 athletes (out of around 600), who haven’t been tested at all in 2017, but may have been under contract for at least the past year. USADA’s athlete test history page confirms these athletes haven’t been tested in 2017.

The athletes seem to still be under UFC contract—at least there have been no announcements that they have been released, and they are still on the UFC’s roster page—but they haven’t been tested in 2017.

It’s hard to be sure if they’re still in the registered testing pool, because USADA refuses to say who is actually in the pool. I sent a request to USADA asking which of these athletes are currently in the registered testing pool, but USADA is unable or unwilling to divulge that information.

Why is this an issue?
If you’re a fighter who accepts a bout against someone who hasn’t been tested in a year, it’s important to know if your opponent thought they could be tested at any time, or if they knew for a fact they wouldn’t be tested.

USADA CEO Travis Tygart said in a recent interview that even a short period in which a fighter knew they wouldn’t be tested would let athletes cheat. Here’s what Mr. Tygart said about having a two or three week period of no testing, “That’s not an effective program. Someone can go and cheat and we would never know about it.”

If knowing you wouldn’t be tested for three weeks makes the program ineffective, what would knowing you can’t be tested for three months accomplish? What about a year? This is why it’s important for athletes to know if their opponent just got a pass. Right now, they don’t. In fact, USADA actively refuses to disclose the information that would let them know.

The USADA site has this to say about transparency, “Instead of wondering if their competitors or role models are being tested, people can track testing data and see how USADA is working to uphold clean sport.”

There is an argument to be made that USADA shouldn’t be publishing information that could “out” a retired athlete, but the anti-doping organization’s site rightly notes that knowing when your opponent was tested is an important part of a transparent anti-doping program. That’s why the athlete test history exists. Does an athlete’s right to know their opponent had a time period when they were “retired” and could dope without being tested outweigh the right of an athlete to retire without telling anyone? That’s a judgement call.

The UFC doesn’t have a great history when it comes to properly handling fighter exemptions. Recall that ahead of UFC 152, Vitor Belfort was given a therapeutic use exemption for testosterone by the UFC. When tested, Belfort’s free testosterone came back high. Belfort’s opponent was never informed, and the information only came out thanks to an email being circulated to people it shouldn’t have been sent to. Belfort was allowed to compete.

The UFC around that time said they used the Nevada athletic commission’s standards for TUEs. Belfort’s total testosterone came back at over 1,000 ng/dL. NSAC executive director Keith Kizer stated that under Nevada rules, testosterone replacement therapy should be 600-700ng/dL at best.

By hiring USADA to implement their anti-doping policy, the UFC helped create a firewall between themselves and decisions around things like TUEs, which the UFC has been criticized over in the past. The truth is, there probably isn’t a better option than USADA out there to run an independent drug testing program, but that’s not to say it couldn’t be improved.

When the UFC has had the ability to secretly give fighters passes and cover up results in the past, the evidence suggests they have, though the UFC denies there was a “cover-up”. You can argue about whether or not that would happen today, but the optics of the situation means transparency should be favored over opacity to avoid even the impression of favoritism or malfeasance.

USADA could make this situation more transparent by listing which fighters are part of the registered testing pool and updating that list each week. They currently have a list of which fighters have been tested which they update each week, so this shouldn’t be a difficult task.

Instead, USADA refuses to confirm which fighters are part of the registered testing pool at any point. Whether deliberate or not, this opacity means fighters can never be sure if their opponent has actually been part of the registered testing pool prior to them actually being tested.

The UFC has been asked for comment on this story and we will update the post with their response.

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Nate Diaz: "I'm not surprised mother fuckers"

Where you at Mark Hunt!?

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En voor body armor?

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Op dinsdag 12 december 2017 23:54 schreef Nober het volgende:
UFC-USADA loophole could be letting chosen athletes avoid testing in secret

The UFC’s Anti-Doping policy contains a loophole that could let athletes avoid testing by “retiring” and “un-retiring” in secret with the UFC’s permission. USADA refuses to disclose information about the registered testing pool that would prevent these exemptions from staying secret.

Dana White recently claimed that Ronda Rousey isn’t retired, and that “USADA is still popping up at her house testing her, but she refuses to retire.” USADA maintains a database of all tests conducted, but according to this database, Rousey hasn’t been tested at all in 2017.

Rousey was last tested in the fourth quarter of 2016 according to the list. Her last fight was a losing effort to Amanda Nunes at UFC 207 on December 30th, 2016.

Since it’s theoretically possible that Rousey has been in the registered testing pool (RTP) this entire time, but hasn’t been tested, I decided to try to find out exactly what was happening. During that process, I discovered something disconcerting:

There is a loophole in the UFC’s anti-doping policy that allows them to secretly exempt athletes from testing if they so choose.

Exemptions and secrecy
Under the WADA code, athletes returning from retirement have to undergo testing for six months. WADA may give a waiver after consulting the relevant national anti-doping organization and sport federation. Under the UFC’s anti-doping policy, the UFC gives the waiver. I wrote about that here.

That wouldn’t be a big deal if we knew which athletes had retired. If an athlete suspiciously retired and un-retired, skipping the testing pool whenever they didn’t have a fight, we would notice, right? Wrong.

It turns out the UFC and USADA can, and do, hide that information. There is no way for anyone to see who is and is not part of the registered testing pool at any time. USADA cannot or will not confirm which athletes are part of the pool, and the UFC, thus far, haven’t even responded to questions about it.

We have a situation where we can’t find out who is and isn’t in the testing pool, and the UFC president appears to be making incorrect statements about who is and isn’t being tested to the media.

This means, in theory, even if an athlete publicly says they are retired, they might not be. And even if Dana White says they aren’t retired, they might officially be retired as far as USADA is concerned. We would have no way of verifying that information, and Dana has a habit of being less than truthful when it comes to public statements.

Since the names of the athletes in the pool are a secret, and the UFC has the final decision on granting exemptions to retired athletes, there’s nothing stopping the UFC from letting a chosen athlete “retire” to avoid testing, lying to the press about them being retired, then allowing them to “un-retire” just before a fight to avoid months of testing. Their opponent, the media, and the public would have no way of knowing. That’s not to say this is happening, but the system, as it operates now, could allow it to happen.

Have athletes been exempted before?
Normally an athlete has to be in the testing pool for six months if they “un-retire.” In the past this clause was four months. It was part of this four-month testing period that Brock Lesnar skipped when he signed to fight at UFC 200. Instead of being tested for the 16 weeks retired athletes were supposed to under the anti-doping policy, he was tested for around five weeks.

It subsequently emerged that Brock Lesnar provided an out-of-competition sample prior to UFC 200 which was positive for the banned substance clomiphene. The result of the test wasn’t returned until after his UFC 200 bout.

The decision to exempt Lesnar was controversial at the time, even before he tested positive for a banned substance. It’s possible other athletes have had similar exemptions without the public ever becoming aware of it.

According to data provided by @dimspace, there are around 10 athletes (out of around 600), who haven’t been tested at all in 2017, but may have been under contract for at least the past year. USADA’s athlete test history page confirms these athletes haven’t been tested in 2017.

The athletes seem to still be under UFC contract—at least there have been no announcements that they have been released, and they are still on the UFC’s roster page—but they haven’t been tested in 2017.

It’s hard to be sure if they’re still in the registered testing pool, because USADA refuses to say who is actually in the pool. I sent a request to USADA asking which of these athletes are currently in the registered testing pool, but USADA is unable or unwilling to divulge that information.

Why is this an issue?
If you’re a fighter who accepts a bout against someone who hasn’t been tested in a year, it’s important to know if your opponent thought they could be tested at any time, or if they knew for a fact they wouldn’t be tested.

USADA CEO Travis Tygart said in a recent interview that even a short period in which a fighter knew they wouldn’t be tested would let athletes cheat. Here’s what Mr. Tygart said about having a two or three week period of no testing, “That’s not an effective program. Someone can go and cheat and we would never know about it.”

If knowing you wouldn’t be tested for three weeks makes the program ineffective, what would knowing you can’t be tested for three months accomplish? What about a year? This is why it’s important for athletes to know if their opponent just got a pass. Right now, they don’t. In fact, USADA actively refuses to disclose the information that would let them know.

The USADA site has this to say about transparency, “Instead of wondering if their competitors or role models are being tested, people can track testing data and see how USADA is working to uphold clean sport.”

There is an argument to be made that USADA shouldn’t be publishing information that could “out” a retired athlete, but the anti-doping organization’s site rightly notes that knowing when your opponent was tested is an important part of a transparent anti-doping program. That’s why the athlete test history exists. Does an athlete’s right to know their opponent had a time period when they were “retired” and could dope without being tested outweigh the right of an athlete to retire without telling anyone? That’s a judgement call.

The UFC doesn’t have a great history when it comes to properly handling fighter exemptions. Recall that ahead of UFC 152, Vitor Belfort was given a therapeutic use exemption for testosterone by the UFC. When tested, Belfort’s free testosterone came back high. Belfort’s opponent was never informed, and the information only came out thanks to an email being circulated to people it shouldn’t have been sent to. Belfort was allowed to compete.

The UFC around that time said they used the Nevada athletic commission’s standards for TUEs. Belfort’s total testosterone came back at over 1,000 ng/dL. NSAC executive director Keith Kizer stated that under Nevada rules, testosterone replacement therapy should be 600-700ng/dL at best.

By hiring USADA to implement their anti-doping policy, the UFC helped create a firewall between themselves and decisions around things like TUEs, which the UFC has been criticized over in the past. The truth is, there probably isn’t a better option than USADA out there to run an independent drug testing program, but that’s not to say it couldn’t be improved.

When the UFC has had the ability to secretly give fighters passes and cover up results in the past, the evidence suggests they have, though the UFC denies there was a “cover-up”. You can argue about whether or not that would happen today, but the optics of the situation means transparency should be favored over opacity to avoid even the impression of favoritism or malfeasance.

USADA could make this situation more transparent by listing which fighters are part of the registered testing pool and updating that list each week. They currently have a list of which fighters have been tested which they update each week, so this shouldn’t be a difficult task.

Instead, USADA refuses to confirm which fighters are part of the registered testing pool at any point. Whether deliberate or not, this opacity means fighters can never be sure if their opponent has actually been part of the registered testing pool prior to them actually being tested.

The UFC has been asked for comment on this story and we will update the post with their response.

https://www.bloodyelbow.c(...)esting-peds-steroids

Nate Diaz: "I'm not surprised mother fuckers"

Where you at Mark Hunt!?

[..]

En voor body armor?

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Op dinsdag 12 december 2017 19:58 schreef Aethereal het volgende:

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Lekker boeiend of hij indrukwekkend is, mighty mouse verkoopt de PPVs niet..

twitter:

MMAFighting twitterde op woensdag 13-12-2017 om 14:00:58 Morning Report: Floyd Mayweather says he has multi-fight offer with UFC, can 'make a billion dollars'… https://t.co/IRf1ua7ScE reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 13 december 2017 16:37 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

twitter:

MMAFighting twitterde op woensdag 13-12-2017 om 14:00:58 Morning Report: Floyd Mayweather says he has multi-fight offer with UFC, can 'make a billion dollars'… https://t.co/IRf1ua7ScE reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 13 december 2017 10:15 schreef MisterJ.Lo het volgende:

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Tuurlijk is dat boeiend. Vooral in de UFC wordt je betaalt aan de hand van je prestaties en aantrekkingskracht. Wat Cees geen van beide heeft.

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Op woensdag 13 december 2017 22:44 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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als je dat tegen hem zeg, dan mag je gratis mee als special guest met een van zijn seminars.

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Op donderdag 14 december 2017 10:45 schreef MisterJ.Lo het volgende:

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Nee ga jij maar gratis mee als special guest met een van zijn seminars.

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Op woensdag 13 december 2017 21:52 schreef Nober het volgende:
The, soon former, champ is here.

JRE MMA Show #5 with Stipe Miocic

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Op donderdag 14 december 2017 23:14 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
[ afbeelding ]

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Op donderdag 14 december 2017 16:17 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
Rogan is een pure money hoer geworden hij schijt die podcasts elke dag uit om maar meer geld binnen te slepen. Er zijn gewoon geen interessante podcasts meer.

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Op vrijdag 15 december 2017 13:47 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:

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Is toch meer een hobby van hem dat? Ik luister soms en het kan wel vermakelijk of interessant zijn. Gebruik het ook wel als ik niet in slaap kan vallen.

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Op vrijdag 15 december 2017 15:16 schreef Nober het volgende:
The UFC on FOX 26 official weigh-ins are at 16:00.

1:00

UFC Fight Night Winnipeg: Official Weigh-in

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22:00 Early Prelims
23:00 Prelims
2:00 Main Card

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Op zaterdag 16 december 2017 00:49 schreef Nober het volgende:

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En veel reclames, ze gaan drie uur doen over de prelims met 5 gevechten nu Elliott vs Menga niet doorgaat.

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Op zaterdag 16 december 2017 22:41 schreef Nober het volgende:
We are live!

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Op zaterdag 16 december 2017 22:42 schreef Nober het volgende:
Silva heeft ook 7 nederlagen in de UFC, maar daar zal je ze niet over horen. Next champion dus...

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Op zaterdag 16 december 2017 22:44 schreef Nober het volgende:

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Alsof Perry verliest van die argentijnse oogprikker.

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Op zaterdag 16 december 2017 23:24 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
ace loopt vet achter

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Op zaterdag 16 december 2017 23:30 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:
[ afbeelding ]

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Op zaterdag 16 december 2017 23:32 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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ben jij dat?

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Op zaterdag 16 december 2017 23:02 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:
Vanaf nu:

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Op zaterdag 16 december 2017 23:56 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
wat een smeerlap die baardmans, echt allemaal smerige moves

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 00:01 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:
Fight after the fight

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 00:01 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:
Fight after the fight

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 00:20 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:
Lachen hoe ze dan uit hun plaat gaan alsof ze prima door konden gaan en er niks aan de hand was

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 00:22 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:
[ afbeelding ]

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 00:23 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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is gewoon geheugen verlies

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 00:24 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:

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En de pauze dankzij de ref die het stopt

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 00:27 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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20 min

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 00:38 schreef Nober het volgende:
Galore

Jammer dat ie al 35 is. Overeem denkt 44.

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 01:19 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:
Wat een clown

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 01:20 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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why?

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 01:54 schreef Nober het volgende:
Schiet toch op.

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 01:58 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:

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Main begint toch niet voor 2 uur, dus opschieten heeft geen zin

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Op zondag 17 december 2017 02:26 schreef Nober het volgende:
Tijd voor de people's main event.