Harvey #8 Zware overstromingen in Texas en Louisiana

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Op donderdag 31 augustus 2017 10:15 schreef _--_ het volgende:
Chemische fabriek staat op exploderen lees ik net?

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Op donderdag 31 augustus 2017 10:32 schreef Toefjes het volgende:

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Dat vraagt om een livestream

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Per quoted company official via KHOU - at 2 am, 2 explosions and black smoke coming from plant. 11 people who were still there were evacuated and are safe.

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Op donderdag 31 augustus 2017 08:40 schreef Lonaa het volgende:

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Oh daar had ik ook heen gewild

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Op dinsdag 29 augustus 2017 22:40 schreef Dagoduck het volgende:
Ze evacueren 1,5 mijl rondom een chemische installatie. Arkema Inc.

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Op donderdag 31 augustus 2017 14:40 schreef Beathoven het volgende:
Dus.. als men even een paar miljard dollar vooraf had uitgeteld voor preventie (deltawerken e.d) dan had men nu alvast kosten kunnen besparen op de volgende ramp.

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Op donderdag 31 augustus 2017 14:50 schreef Dagoduck het volgende:

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Ik hoor ze nu al praten over hoe goed het allemaal is gegaan en wat een geweldig werk die mensen 80 jaar geleden hebben gedaan met die reservoirs.

Ik zie ze niet zo snel meer gaan doen ter preventie

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Op donderdag 31 augustus 2017 15:09 schreef Dagoduck het volgende:
"Water levels Addicks and Barker are starting to fall."
"No structural problems with the Addicks and Barker dams''

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Op donderdag 31 augustus 2017 16:01 schreef Frutsel het volgende:
Ik zit ook op dat Amerikaanse forum van Soldmayor en dat topic over users Texas eens terug te lezen.. "Texas Summer" heet het... waarop een paar gasten sinds juli klagen over dat het zo lang droog is... en ze broodnodig water nodig hebben.

Wel geinig om terug te lezen waar die lui in een zes weken tijd gaan van totale droogte en "nothing to see in Texas" tot totale chaos en wanhoop. Daar zien ze Harvey komen en denken: hey een tropische storm, misschien krijgen we eindelijk wat regen in Texas... Neh.. vast niet, "it will die before it reaches us, it always does" .

Je leest gewoon de angst en ontsteltenis in hun posts naarmate duidelijker werd dat Harvey een grote ramp zou worden. Waar ze een week eerder nog lachen en hoopten op een beetje regen slaat het halverwege die week helemaal om naar paniek.

Daar waar ze eerst nog geinen over de modellen die Harvey dagenlang boven Texas houden, want dat kan toch helemaal niet en dan tot de ontzetting komen dat elke dag die forecast in stand blijft en ze zich langzaam realiseren dat er een groot probleem aan komt...

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Op donderdag 31 augustus 2017 08:20 schreef Ivo1985 het volgende:

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Oké, dus een dikke week nadat duidelijk werd dat er extreem veel neerslag zou gaan vallen en enorme, waarschijnlijk bewoond, gebieden zouden gaan overstromen is men begonnen militairen in paraatheid te brengen om hulp te gebieden.

Tevens reeds 5 dagen nadat de eerste grote wateroverlast werkelijkheid geworden is én duidelijk is dat dit plaatsvindt in een miljoenenstad.

Ik kan me niet aan de indruk onttrekken dat overal in Europa militairen bij dreigende wateroverlast al in het gebied aanwezig zijn voordat de eerste mensen daadwerkelijk natte voeten hebben. En hulpgoederen worden alvast op veilige locaties in de buurt verzameld, om sneller ingezet te kunnen worden.

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Op donderdag 31 augustus 2017 14:31 schreef Dagoduck het volgende:
Ze zijn flink dat water die stad in aan het laten stromen.

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Op donderdag 31 augustus 2017 17:30 schreef Hdero het volgende:

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Welke plaats?

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Op donderdag 31 augustus 2017 17:37 schreef Dagoduck het volgende:

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Houston.

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Harvey aftermath: More chemical fires possible as city loses clean water

Beaumont, east of Houston, has no running water after both its water pumps failed, forcing a hospital to shut down.
Given the scope of the disaster, the commanding officer who led the federal response to Hurricane Katrina questioned the adequacy of current relief efforts.
"When you have a combination of hurricane winds, flooding now for five days and you start losing the water and the electric grid, this is a game changer," retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré told CNN on Thursday.
"Losing electricity itself is a disaster for over a 24-hour period in America to any person because we lose access to water, we lose access to sewers, we lose our ability to communicate."


People are freaking out' in Beaumont
Extreme flooding caused both of Beaumont's water pumps to fail, meaning the city of 118,000 has no running water.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/0(...)xas-flood/index.html

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Gas prices are spiking after the biggest US refinery shuts down

Gasoline prices were surging again Thursday amid refinery closings in Texas caused by Hurricane Harvey.

Gas futures for September delivery were up 12% to $2.11 a gallon at 10:40 a.m. ET. In their eighth straight day of gains, futures are on their longest rising streak in four years, according to Bloomberg. Futures for October delivery also rallied.

Prices at the pump are also higher. The AAA average national gas price at 3:43 a.m. ET on Thursday was $2.449 a gallon, up from an average price of $2.348 a gallon last week.

Lees de rest op de site:
http://www.businessinside(...)ices-shortage-2017-8

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 31-08-2017 om 22:06:35 THANK YOU to all of the incredible HEROES in Texas. America is with you! #TexasStrong https://t.co/8N4ABo9Ihp reageer retweet

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Op donderdag 31 augustus 2017 22:00 schreef Hdero het volgende:
Het leidingwater is kapotgegaan

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Goh,wat een verrassing. Hele steden liggen nu in puin of onder de oceaan en dan verwacht men voor het gemak leidingwater en elektriciteit.

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Holland has solved this problem; why can't the US?

Harvey brings 'hell' to Texas residents



Amsterdam (CNN) A dozen years ago, when Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, I was out of the country, watching the wrenching images from Amsterdam, a city that sits almost seven feet below sea level, in a country that has endured more than its share of death and destruction from raging storms.

Now, once again, the evening news in the Netherlands shows the suffering in the United States. The Dutch are watching stories narrated by drenched Dutch reporters in Texas, showing elderly Houstonians being evacuated and young families carrying their children and their pets to safety as all their worldly possessions sink in the epic flood brought by Harvey. But beyond having compassion, people here are wondering why it is that Americans seem so reluctant to apply the lessons the Netherlands already learned -- and at such high cost.

Most reports about the disaster include a discussion about why the Netherlands, with much of the country lying below sea level, has managed to avoid a major flood in decades while the United States is suffering yet another catastrophe.

The answer, beyond the precise technical details the experts here provide, is about culture, politics and psychology.

The United States is in denial.

America's denial comes in two categories. First, there is climate change denial. Prior to entering politics, Donald Trump tweeted that climate change was a conspiracy against America, claiming that "global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make US manufacturing non-competitive."

And since taking office, President Trump has removed the United States from the Paris Agreement, disbanded his climate change council and seemingly rejected much of establishment science. And scientists -- specifically meteorologists -- predicted much of what Harvey would do, even if Trump claimed nobody knew how terrible it would be.

The fact is that hurricanes have always occurred, but they have become more destructive with warmer waters and higher sea levels. Hurricane Sandy would not have flooded Manhattan 100 years ago, when sea level was a foot lower. And the trend is sure to worsen.

The other form of denial is psychological; it's the one that says this will not happen to me, to us. Despite the certainty that more potentially devastating storms will strike, we have not seen a concerted effort to tackle the problem. In fact, the administration is rolling back flood-proof infrastructure regulations without facing much meaningful pushback.

In addition to denial, the United States, particularly on the right of the political spectrum, has a generalized aversion to government. Ronald Reagan famously declared "the nine scariest words in the English language are 'I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.'"

As it happens, there are some burdens only the government is strong enough to carry. The Dutch learned that battling the sea is one of them.

The wake-up call came in 1953, when a massive storm killed more than 1,800 people, flooding much of the country, damaging farmlands, killing farm animals and destroying property.

Immediately after, the Netherlands established a commission to decide how to deal with a threat of more storms. The commission devised a plan that was enshrined into law, specifying what level of risk is tolerable.

The so-called Delta Law was passed in 1959 and updated into the Water Law in 2009. Under the law, the government launched a major engineering project at great cost, building the now-famous Delta Works, a system of locks and flood protection systems that was completed in 1997.

Instead of waiting for so-called once-in-100-years rainstorms -- which now come more frequently -- the Dutch have lowered the flood risk to what they calculate is one in 4,000 years. The law even requires that authorities hold the risk in some parts of the country to one in 10,000 years.

The systems now include walling off the water and, at the same time, letting it into canals and other bodies of water, where technicians can regulate levels.

The original Delta Works price tag was steep, $5 billion, but a bargain relative to the cost of inaction. Compare it to one storm in the United States, Katrina, with a total cost estimated by FEMA at $108 billion, and immense human suffering.

When discussing the situation in Houston, Dutch experts note that US infrastructure is poorly maintained, and tolerable risk levels are not defined by law.

But they also acknowledge that there are no guarantees. They are looking at Houston's tragedy as further reason to upgrade Dutch infrastructure. After all, the sea level, already well above the city of Amsterdam, is projected to rise by as much as 4 feet by the end of this century.

With a risk of that magnitude, there is no room for denial. Dutch voters and politicians know that playing politics with it is simply unacceptable.

Lees de rest op de site:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/0(...)on-ghitis/index.html

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Op vrijdag 1 september 2017 04:14 schreef Hdero het volgende:
En nu hebben ze het over Nederland:

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Op vrijdag 1 september 2017 10:45 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
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Longer term computer models still vary widely but suggest that Irma will make landfall in the U.S. either in the Gulf of Mexico or Florida. Meteorological Scientist Michael Ventrice of the Weather Channel is forecasting windspeeds of up to 180 mph, which he described as the "highest windspeed forecasts I've ever seen in my 10 yrs of Atlantic hurricane forecasting."

Zet er maar weer eentje klaar Frutsel.

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Op vrijdag 1 september 2017 10:45 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
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Longer term computer models still vary widely but suggest that Irma will make landfall in the U.S. either in the Gulf of Mexico or Florida. Meteorological Scientist Michael Ventrice of the Weather Channel is forecasting windspeeds of up to 180 mph, which he described as the "highest windspeed forecasts I've ever seen in my 10 yrs of Atlantic hurricane forecasting."

Zet er maar weer eentje klaar Frutsel.

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Op vrijdag 1 september 2017 11:30 schreef Hdero het volgende:

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Hoe moet je die kaart linksaan lezen? Er zijn zoveel termen en codes die ik niet begrijp. En ook geen uitleg erbij.

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Op vrijdag 1 september 2017 11:26 schreef SpeedyGJ het volgende:

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Pssst:
WKN / Tropische Storm Irma: Nieuwe bedreiging?

Wordt een stevige 1, zal me niks verbazen als ze doorgroeit naar CAT 5!

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Op vrijdag 1 september 2017 11:37 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:

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Omdat die kaarten bedoelt zijn voor mensen in dit vakgebied Niet voor nieuwsitems enzo.

Al die lijnen zijn verschillende mogelijke paden die de orkaan kan afleggen in ieder geval.

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Op vrijdag 1 september 2017 06:00 schreef Beathoven het volgende: [..]

Dat artikel spreekt boekdelen, en 'Can't pump with Trump', dus er zal wat moeten gebeuren daar. Binnen nu en 5 miljoen jaar ofzo.