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14s.gif Op donderdag 11 september 2014 11:33 schreef het volgende:
Ziet er goed uit (Celvercoin).

Komen ze ook op bitcoinwisdom oid?
Zal aan het volume liggen denk ik. Voorlopig hebben ze een koppeling met Kraken om direct al wat volume in het orderboek te hebben.
  zondag 14 september 2014 @ 06:09:07 #127
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You mad.. brah?
Nog even terug te komen op de Bitcoin van 3200Euro vorige week

Hier is goed te zien dat het zeker geen 5 minuten was maar bijna 5 uur lang hoog (geen 3200 maar toch)
Let ook op het volume.
You mad.. brah?
PayPal begint samenwerking met BitCoin-betalingsverwerkers

PayPal, de betaaldienst van eBay, gaat samenwerken met drie verwerkers van Bitcoin-betalingen. Het gaat om BitPay, Coinbase en GoCoin. Verkopers van digitale goederen kunnen via PayPal ondersteuning voor die BitCoin-betalingsverwerkers inbouwen.

PayPal benadrukt dat het zelf geen ondersteuning voor Bitcoin introduceert, en bovendien geldt de samenwerking met de Bitcoin-betalingsverwerkers enkel voor digitale goederen. Ook moeten aanbieders van digitale goederen er zelf voor kiezen om Bitcoin-betalingen te accepteren, en kan dat op dit moment enkel in Noord-Amerika.

PayPal heeft gekozen voor BitPay, Coinbase en GoCoin omdat die bedrijven genoeg waarborgen voor klanten zouden bieden. De betaaldienst zegt voorzichtig te zijn met Bitcoin; naar eigen zeggen omarmt het bedrijf innovaties, maar enkel als die betalingen 'veiliger en betrouwbaar maken voor klanten'. Eerder deze maand introduceerde PayPal in samenwerking met CoinBase ondersteuning voor Bitcoin in zijn sdk.
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waarom zakt de prijs zo hard terwijl er toch best veel goede nieuwe berichten naar buiten komen?
Wie is er bekend met mining tijd inkopen?

Is breakeven te doen of eerder verlies draaien? (Buiten koers schommelingen om)

Heb wat spare prepaid creditcards die ik zo wil omzetten in bitcoins en wil dan breakeven draaien
Als ik me niet zo ziek voelde zou ik gaan dansen:


By Adrianne Jeffries on September 23, 2014 12:25 pm

FTC shuts down Butterfly Labs, the second-most hated company in Bitcoinland.
The mining equipment company failed to deliver tens of thousands of computers, and delivered others so late they were obsolete.

There was skepticism around Butterfly Labs from the beginning.

Like most bitcoin companies, the Missouri-based startup sprang up out of nowhere. In late 2011, there were rumors of a leap in the technology for mining bitcoin. This technological leap had the potential to create massive profits for miners, as well as massive profits for those selling the new equipment to miners. It was the old selling-pickaxes-during-the-Gold-Rush strategy.

Except Butterfly Labs added a twist. They didn't sell pickaxes. They sold preorders for pickaxes.


Mining is an essential part of bitcoin. It rewards people for using their own computer power to maintain the network. Since Bitcoin has no central processing authority, it relies on the crowd to record transactions, check each others' math, and keep things secure. This is all built into the bitcoin software: miners don't have to actually do anything other than set up a computer and run the program.

Back in 2009 when bitcoin first appeared, anyone could run the mining software on an ordinary laptop and crank out 50 bitcoins in a day. As bitcoin became more popular, mining got more competitive. Soon miners started using more powerful graphics cards to mine bitcoin. Then serious miners began to devote racks of computers, like small personal data centers. Because there were so many miners chasing after the same bitcoins, mining got more and more expensive and the returns on investment got smaller and smaller. The bitcoin protocol is also designed to increase the difficulty of mining as time goes on, which further cut into miners' profits.

In June of 2012, Butterfly Labs became one of the first pop-up companies to announce a breakthrough in mining technology: application-specific integrated circuits, or "ASICs," designed specifically to mine bitcoin 1,000 times faster. At least two other companies cropped up, promising similar machines. Miners rushed to place preorders. Some became loyal to certain sellers; others hedged their bets by ordering from all three. Whoever got their machines first would reap a windfall in mining profits before the rest of the mining world caught up.

Butterfly Labs promised their customers that preorders would ship as soon as possible. But they soon became evasive, issuing a series of shifting dates. At the time, the company told The Verge that the first ASICs would ship by December. Instead, by most accounts, the first shipments started trickling out in April.


While some customers received their ASICs — Wired magazine got one — many more started complaining about delayed shipments. Some wondered if the products really existed. Others suspected Butterfly Labs had decided to use the machines to mine bitcoins for themselves. Some forum users claimed to have received their orders; others accused them of being paid by Butterfly Labs. It came out that one of the company's alleged cofounders was on probation after pleading guilty to mail fraud in a lottery scam.

Soon, Butterfly Labs was arguably the most controversial company in the bitcoin world after Mt. Gox, the bitcoin exchange that filed for bankruptcy. But while Mt. Gox was merely incompetent, Butterfly Labs may have been malicious. (Plus, they were dicks.) Customers all over the world began lodging complaints with the US Federal Trade Commission.

According to the FTC, more than 20,000 customers had received nothing by September 2013 — more than a year after customers' placed their first orders — despite paying upfront for products that ranged from $149 chips to $29,899 machines. That means customers were ripped off for at least $3 million, and that's a low, low estimate, since many customers reported buying the more expensive units, and more orders were placed after September 2013. Update: In total, Butterfly Labs collected between $20 million and $50 million in pre-orders, according to the FTC.

Customers who did receive their orders found they were obsolete. A Butterfly Labs representative said the delayed machines were only useful as a "room heater," according to the FTC.


Despite widespread failure to deliver, Butterfly Labs began offering new products and services in 2013: an even more powerful bitcoin miner and a remote mining service. The FTC says the company failed to deliver those, too.

Butterfly Labs did not immediately respond to a request for comment. In the past, the company has said delays were due to various manufacturing complications.

The company has now been shut down pending a court case. "We’re pleased the court granted our request to halt this operation, and we look forward to putting the company’s ill-gotten gains back in the hands of consumers," Jessica Rich, director of the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection, said in a statement today.

UPDATE, 4:12PM: Butterfly Labs has released a statement:

Butterfly Labs is disappointed in the heavy-handed actions of the Federal Trade Commission. In a rush to judgment, the FTC has acted as judge, jury and executioner, contrary to our intended system of governmental checks and balances. The FTC's current actions are negatively impacting our thousands of customers and our dozens of employees. Their current media campaign should only further alarm a knowing citizenry and raise questions as to why the FTC wouldn't simply let this case play out through the judicial system. That is what Butterfly Labs intends to do.
It appears the FTC has decided to go to war on bitcoin overall, and is starting with Butterfly Labs. Butterfly Labs is being portrayed by the FTC as a bogus and fake company. To the contrary, Butterfly Labs is very real. As pointed out in court filings Butterfly Labs made last night, Butterfly Labs has shipped more than $33 million in products to customers and voluntarily granted refunds approximating $17 million to customers for cancelled orders. Butterfly Labs was literally is in the midst of shipping out completed products to fulfill the remaining millions of dollars of orders on our books and issuing requested refunds, when the FTC effectively closed the doors of Butterfly Labs without any chance to be heard in court.
At this time, Butterfly Labs is cooperating fully with the Temporary Receiver appointed by the Court. A hearing is set for September 29 and Butterfly Labs has asked the Court to allow it to present testimony from key witnesses for the company. Butterfly Labs intends to defend our business and our nascent and promising industry. The government wants to shut Butterfly Labs down, and we are not going away without a fight to vindicate bitcoin, our company, and our employees. Our continued focus is our customers and finding a way to continue to deliver products and processing refunds for those who have requested them.
Aan degene die me per PM vroeg of het een goed idee was om een ASIC bij BFL te kopen, bedank me later voor het weerhouden :D
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 23 september 2014 23:02 schreef Deeltjesversneller het volgende:
waarom zakt de prijs zo hard terwijl er toch best veel goede nieuwe berichten naar buiten komen?
Ja, dit vraag ik me ook wel af.
'Richolio _O_' - tong80
0s.gif Op dinsdag 23 september 2014 23:23 schreef trekker25 het volgende:
Wie is er bekend met mining tijd inkopen?

Is breakeven te doen of eerder verlies draaien? (Buiten koers schommelingen om)

Heb wat spare prepaid creditcards die ik zo wil omzetten in bitcoins en wil dan breakeven draaien
Ik weet het zelf niet, maar laat ik het zo zeggen: Waarom zou de eigenaar van die mining-uitrusting zo'n "dienst" draaien? Omdat 'ie graag heeft dat jij er meer aan verdient dan hij/zij zelf? :)
I hope you can see this because I'm doing it as hard as I can.
  donderdag 25 september 2014 @ 17:11:28 #134
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You mad.. brah?
0s.gif Op woensdag 24 september 2014 09:10 schreef LintuxCx het volgende:
mdat 'ie graag heeft dat jij er meer aan verdient dan hij/z
0s.gif Op dinsdag 23 september 2014 23:23 schreef trekker25 het volgende:
Wie is er bekend met mining tijd inkopen?

Is breakeven te doen of eerder verlies draaien? (Buiten koers schommelingen om)

Heb wat spare prepaid creditcards die ik zo wil omzetten in bitcoins en wil dan breakeven draaien
Het beste kan je gewoon naar Genesis Mining gaan.
Daar een scrypt contractje komen van paar Megahash en voor het ende van het jaar ben je ROI.
(Vergeet Voucher-code MOON niet voor extra korting)
You mad.. brah?
0s.gif Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 12:33 schreef harry83 het volgende:
Tjah, als je gekocht heb op de "3e Bubbel" van afgelopen December dan is je winstmarge nu wel weg. Ik ben voor de lange termijn. De vorige bubbels waren 3, 36, 266 Dollar. De laatste was 1200+.

Als je doordat de prijs (logisch) een correctie heeft gehad al je Bitcoins van de hand doet voor een Appel en een Ei dan weet je niet wat je in handen hebt gehad.

Dan is Bitcoin denk ik ook niet echt voor je - prima toch? Het is ook early adopter gebied en nog lang niet klaar voor de massa.

Er zijn de laatste weken grote stappen gemaakt. De China paniek is zo'n beetje voorbij, Circle heeft hun diensten gelanceerd (Een wallet met KYC en AML, telefonische support, creditcard support, etc) en technisch is Bitcoin nog steeds prima in orde.

Er is gisteren en vandaag een Bitcoin2014 event in Amsterdam en de opkomst is vergeleken met dit soort events in 2012 enorm (duizenden!). Donderdag was er ook al een Bitcoin eventje waar zelfs allemaal bankiers aanwezig waren die langzaam beginnen te snappen hoe krachtig Bitcoin is.

Nee... verkopen? Ik koop bij op deze momenten, deze huidige fase lijkt veel op de pre-bubbel stijging van rond september/oktober vorig jaar. (toen we van 100 naar 200 gingen).

Voorspelling, je mag me quoten. Over 3 maanden: 700 Euro. Als China gaat bannen: Gelijk aan huidige niveau.

0s.gif Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 13:19 schreef Bitcoin_klo0n het volgende:


mee eens. en over 3 a 4 maanden op 700 zou me idd nix verbazen.
14s.gif Op zondag 18 mei 2014 22:08 schreef litecoin het volgende:


Een van de meest zinnige berichten die ik hier heb gelezen!! :Y
0s.gif Op dinsdag 27 mei 2014 11:48 schreef Zwappel het volgende:
Omdat de bitcoin niet meer ziekelijk snel stijgt stappen mensen uit, oh wow. :')
0s.gif Op zondag 1 juni 2014 11:14 schreef Bitcoin_klo0n het volgende:


er zijn steeds meer gekken (en niet-gekken) die er geld voor geven. geld is in het verleden heel vaak niet gesteund door overheden, het gaat om de mensen die het moeten steunen.
Reacties uit Mei, toen ik aangaf er uit te stappen, uit de bitcoin...

En nu, maanden later staan we nog veel lager met de koers. Ik vind het prima dat ik ben uitgestapt. Je zou nog meer zijn verloren door er in te blijven zitten. Ja hopen op groei in de toekomst, ergens, ooit...
Ik heb quote-alerts uitstaan.
Circle is nu open gegaan voor iedereen.


Stukje uit The Guardian:

Bitcoin goes mainstream: Circle's payments make crypto currencies easy

Better funded, more secure and taking on Paypal head-on, the forthcoming wave of bitcoin firms are trying hard to make the currency mainstream

A new Bitcoin bank called Circle opens its doors to the public on Monday, following a stealth development period which saw it raise $25m from some of Silicon Valley’s biggest venture capitalists.

The service, which launches its web app worldwide on Monday and promises to follow-up with Android and iOS apps in the near-future, is one of the most aggressive attempts so far to take Bitcoin payments mainstream.

Founded by Netscape alum Jeremy Allaire and long-running collaborator Sean Neville, Circle’s offering is, on the surface little different from a number of other Bitcoin “wallet” services, such as those provided by competitors such as Blockchain or Coinbase. Users can transfer cash in using a bank account or debit card, which is then converted into bitcoin by Circle; and they can spend their bitcoins online or in physical shops with ease.

But Circle is trying to compete with those competitors by offering a level of professionalism unusual in the bitcoin world. For a start, every user’s deposits are fully insured, putting paid to fears of a collapse similar to that at outfits such as notorious exchange Mt Gox. And its slick interface, which abstracts away much of the confusing technical aspects of the crypto-currency, appeals to users tired of conventional internet banking as much as it does those already involved in Bitcoin.

From Monday, “anyone can enrol, and they need to go through very basic security set-up and verification,” Allaire told the Guardian. “Once they do that, they really have a cloud wallet: a service where they can send, receive and store Bitcoin very easily with a very simple interface in their own language.

“The benefit is going to be for people who want to use an online service, and don’t want to worry about managing and securing private keys and so forth. They can store as much as they want, there’s no fees, and it includes all the offline storage we provide as well as full insurance on all deposits.”

The promise of no fees, as well as the ease with which anyone can open an account and deposit cash into bitcoin, reveals Allaire’s longer-term goal for Circle: to provide genuine competition to the legacy banking model, proving bitcoin services to the underbanked, as well as those underserved by existing banks.

Also square within the firm’s sights are companies such as PayPal, which enable transactions between individuals as well as from users to merchants: “We’re firmly focused on consumers,” he says. “We’re very interested in how bitcoin is used for person to person payments, and we see our apps making that very instant, very secure and no fee for people.”

But while Circle is going after PayPal, the latter isn’t resting on its laurels. The company, which already accepts bitcoin payments through its Braintree subsidiary, has also announced that it will partner with bitcoin processors BitPay, Coinbase and GoCoin, to let its customers take bitcoin as payment for digital goods.

While those moves make it easier to take bitcoin from those already in the ecosystem, however, they do little to grow the market larger. That’s something Circle, and the other companies sure to follow it as the second wave of bitcoin firms take off, will have to do for itself.
Jammergenoeg is het nog niet officieel mogelijk niet-US bankrekeningen of creditcards te koppelen (al kan het lukken met MasterCard of Visa):

Using an account: Non-US customers can send and receive bitcoins in a fully-insured Circle account just as US customers can. Account information may also be rendered in multiple languages, and across a number of international fiat currencies rather than only in USD. Rendering of BTC balances is the same for everyone globally.

Connecting a credit/debit card: Some non-US customers have been successful linking credit cards issued through Visa or MasterCard, but at the moment Circle officially supports only US credit/debit cards. Further, while some international cards may be successful, please note that these can carry additional cross-border fees when used with Circle.

Connecting a bank account: Currently only US bank accounts can be linked.

Stay tuned for more. We are working to incorporate international partnerships that will allow customers worldwide to deposit and withdraw using non-USD fiat currencies.

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Tourniquet op 29-09-2014 19:12:34 ]
Kan ik mijn CC aan Circle koppelen :?
14s.gif Op maandag 29 september 2014 20:37 schreef het volgende:
Kan ik mijn CC aan Circle koppelen :?
Connecting a credit/debit card: Some non-US customers have been successful linking credit cards issued through Visa or MasterCard, but at the moment Circle officially supports only US credit/debit cards. Further, while some international cards may be successful, please note that these can carry additional cross-border fees when used with Circle.
Gewoon bitcoins "kopen" met CC dus (voor Amerikanen nu iig), tegoed is verzekerd en geen deposit-fees. Goed bezig dus daarzo. ^O^
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0s.gif Op maandag 29 september 2014 20:51 schreef Tourniquet het volgende:



Gewoon bitcoins "kopen" met CC dus (voor Amerikanen nu iig), tegoed is verzekerd en geen deposit-fees. Goed bezig dus daarzo. ^O^
Kon ook al maanden bij coinbase of niet?
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Die bedragen bij Genesis, is dat per maand of wat...?
Minder dan de fluctuatie in de inkomsten, denk ik.

Ze doen er wel heel vaag over.
10.000 katjes
Maakte de 100.000e post in BIT
Er eens op uit?
0s.gif Op maandag 29 september 2014 22:21 schreef Zith het volgende:


Kon ook al maanden bij coinbase of niet?
Oh, dat zou kunnen. Anyway een goede Coinbase-concurrent erbij is niet verkeerd lijkt me.

Hier mag je maar van uit gaan. Als je het niet snapt hoef je niet bij mij aan te kloppen :X
10.000 katjes
Maakte de 100.000e post in BIT
Er eens op uit?
Weet iemand waar je bitcoins kunt kopen met je creditcard of paypal? Zoiets als bitonic.nl (alleen hebben die geen cc/pp ondersteuning)
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We leven weer *G*.

Wie had dat plaatje met de laatste koers in de OP ook alweer gemaakt, Arcee? Die moet nodig gefixt worden. :P
Bitstamp heeft nu een volledige EU licentie en BTC/EUR trading:


Dear clients, partners and supporters of Bitstamp,

We are very excited to share with you today that Bitstamp has been granted a license by the Luxembourg government to be a fully regulated and licensed exchange in the EU. This is an unprecedented moment for the bitcoin, and brings with it a new era of security and transparency to the industry. The news is the result of a rigorous application process with the Luxembourg financial regulator, the Luxembourg Financial Industry Supervisory Commission (known as CSSF) spanning nearly two years, which included security reviews in addition to an audit by Ernst & Young Luxembourg. Bitstamp’s license is passportable into the 28 EU member states providing all European customers with a robust, secure platform for bitcoin trading.
Establishing our EU base in Luxembourg, a country that is known for its long-standing history as an international leader in e-payments and data privacy as well as the European headquarters for many global players including Amazon, PayPal and Skype, Luxembourg embodies an exceptionally strong infrastructure and the financial and security awareness we were seeking for this process.

What does this mean for me?
New and current Bitstamp clients can rest assured knowing that Bitstamp and its services are approved across Europe. This stamp of approval ensures that Bitstamp offers the highest levels of security and consumer protection previously only recognized in traditional financial institutions.

What else is new?
Bitstamp has simultaneously launched BTC/EUR trading to better serve European markets. We are also offering free trading in BTC/EUR for our loyal clients for the next month (until end of May).

Effective Tuesday, 26th of April all EUR deposits received will be credited directly to EUR account balance. Trading will start same day at 1:00 PM CEST. To protect our clients ask/bid orders overlapping on launch day will be removed prior to launching the order book.

Note that all non-EUR deposits will continue to be converted to USD.

Please contact our support team [email protected] with any questions.

Thank you,
Bitstamp team
De MinFin van Luxemburg vond het ook belangrijk genoeg om een tweet aan te wijden. :D

pierregramegna twitterde op maandag 25-04-2016 om 12:56:56 Glad to sign the payment institution license for @bitstamp, the latest addition to #Luxembourg's #fintech ecosystem https://t.co/SG1HFxOslE reageer retweet
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