'I only just realized that North Korea is actually a lot bigger than South Korea'quote:Op maandag 6 november 2006 08:27 schreef Frutsel het volgende:
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The Timesquote:Six Arab states join rush to go nuclear
By Richard Beeston, Diplomatic Editor
Algeria, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, UAE and Saudi Arabia seek atom technology
THE SPECTRE of a nuclear race in the Middle East was raised yesterday when six Arab states announced that they were embarking on programmes to master atomic technology.
The move, which follows the failure by the West to curb Iran’s controversial nuclear programme, could see a rapid spread of nuclear reactors in one of the world’s most unstable regions, stretching from the Gulf to the Levant and into North Africa.
The countries involved were named by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as Algeria, Egypt, Morocco and Saudi Arabia. Tunisia and the UAE have also shown interest.
All want to build civilian nuclear energy programmes, as they are permitted to under international law. But the sudden rush to nuclear power has raised suspicions that the real intention is to acquire nuclear technology which could be used for the first Arab atomic bomb.
“Some Middle East states, including Egypt, Morocco, Algeria and Saudi Arabia, have shown initial interest [in using] nuclear power primarily for desalination purposes,” Tomihiro Taniguch, the deputy director-general of the IAEA, told the business weekly Middle East Economic Digest. He said that they had held preliminary discussions with the governments and that the IAEA’s technical advisory programme would be offered to them to help with studies into creating power plants.
Mark Fitzpatrick, an expert on nuclear proliferation at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said that it was clear that the sudden drive for nuclear expertise was to provide the Arabs with a “security hedge”.
“If Iran was not on the path to a nuclear weapons capability you would probably not see this sudden rush [in the Arab world],” he said.
The announcement by the six nations is a stunning reversal of policy in the Arab world, which had until recently been pressing for a nuclear free Middle East, where only Israel has nuclear weapons.
Egypt and other North African states can argue with some justification that they need cheap, safe energy for their expanding economies and growing populations at a time of high oil prices.
The case will be much harder for Saudi Arabia, which sits on the world’s largest oil reserves. Earlier this year Prince Saud al-Faisal, the Foreign Minister, told The Times that his country opposed the spread of nuclear power and weapons in the Arab world.
Since then, however, the Iranians have accelerated their nuclear power and enrichment programmes.
ach dan zitten we hier veilig en hebben we steriele oliequote:Op maandag 6 november 2006 18:23 schreef -scorpione- het volgende:
Nooit toelaten dat deze landen atoomwapens krijgen anders is het wachten op een allesverwoestende oorlog. Zal wel niet eerlijk zijn, maar dat is niet anders.
http://www.juancole.com/2(...)for-iraq-fourth.htmlquote:a Bush administration war on Iran now seems highly unlikely. A major initiative of that sort would need funding, and I don't think Congress will grant it. The Democrats don't want an Iran with a nuclear weapon any more than the Republicans do. But they are more likely to recognize that there is no good evidence that Iran even has a nuclear weapons program, and have been chastened by Iraq enough to distrust purely military solutions to such crises.
Als de atoomoorlog maar in het MO blijft.quote:Op vrijdag 10 november 2006 11:00 schreef -scorpione- het volgende:
Nou, dat wordt dan over een paar jaar een atoomoorlog.
tenzij we uit de NAVO stappenquote:Op vrijdag 10 november 2006 11:00 schreef -scorpione- het volgende:
Nou, dat wordt dan over een paar jaar een atoomoorlog.
ik denk niet dat dat ook maar iets zal uitmakenquote:Op vrijdag 10 november 2006 17:02 schreef zakjapannertje het volgende:
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tenzij we uit de NAVO stappen
Ynetnewsquote:Ahmadinejad: Israel’s destruction near
Published: 11.13.06, 08:53
According to the Iranian media Monday, Iranian President Mahoud Ahmadinejad declared that Israel was destined to ‘disappearance and destruction’ at a council meeting with Iranian ministers.
“The western powers created the Zionist regime in order to expand their control of the area. This regime massacres Palestinians everyday, but since this regime is against nature, we will soon witness its disappearance and destruction,” Ahmadinejad said. (AFP)
dat is niet nodig, ze hebben de middelen ervoorquote:Op dinsdag 14 november 2006 13:06 schreef -scorpione- het volgende:
Misschien ook wel handig als westerse landen dit nu gingen roepen over Iran.
bronquote:UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Iran, whose president has vowed to wipe Israel off the map, complained to the United Nations on Wednesday that the Jewish state was repeatedly threatening to bomb it.
The threats were "matters of extreme gravity" and the U.N. Security Council should condemn them and demand that Israel "cease and desist immediately from the threat of the use of force against members of the United Nations," Iranian U.N. Ambassador Javad Zarif said.
His comments came in a letter to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan dated November 10 and circulated at the United Nations on Wednesday.
Iran, the world's fourth-largest oil exporter, has been aggressively pursuing a nuclear program that it says is meant only to produce electric power.
But Western powers and Israel, which is itself widely believed to be a nuclear power, insist the activities are a cover for making nuclear bombs.
Iran's activities have prompted speculation that Israel might launch preemptive strikes to destroy its nuclear facilities, as it did in Iraq in 1981 when it bombed a reactor at Osiraq.
The speculation increased after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad last year threatened to "wipe Israel off the map," a statement Iranian officials have argued was not a threat.
Israel has fueled the speculation with a series of "unlawful and dangerous threats," Zarif said.
His letter cited several examples. Israeli Deputy Defense Minister Ephraim Sneh said just last Friday that a preemptive strike on Iran was possible as "a last resort," Zarif's letter said. "But even the last resort is sometimes the only resort," he quoted Sneh as saying.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on October 19 that Iran would have "a price to pay" for continuing its nuclear programs and Iranians "have to be afraid" of what Israel might do, according to Zarif's letter.
Similarly, Zarif said that Transport Minister Shaul Mofaz said on January 21, "We are preparing for military action to stop Iran's nuclear program."
is nog steeds een schijntje van de miljarden die het westen gaf maar toch moesten wij altijd stervenquote:Op vrijdag 17 november 2006 08:12 schreef Frutsel het volgende:
Iran geeft 120 miljoen aan Hamas
Novum/AP) - Iran heeft de Palestijnse Hamas dit jaar al meer dan 120 miljoen dollar (ruim 93,5 miljoen euro) gegeven. Dat heeft de Palestijnse minister van buitenlandse zaken Mahmoud Zahar, van de Hamas, donderdag gezegd tijdens zijn bezoek aan Teheran. Ali Larijani, het hoofd van de Opperste Nationale Veiligheidsraad van Iran, zei dat zijn land de Hamas door dik en dun zal blijven steunen omdat de beweging het symbool is van het verzet van het Palestijnse volk.
Westerse landen hebben de geldkraan dichtgedraaid toen de Hamas in de Palestijnse gebieden aan de macht kwam. Op die manier, zo was de gedachte, kon de Hamas ertoe worden bewogen het bestaansrecht van Israël te erkennen, het geweld af te zweren en alle eerdere verdragen tussen Israël en de Palestijnse Autoriteit te accepteren. Het resultaat is tot nu toe echter alleen maar een humanitaire crisis in de Palestijnse gebieden geweest. Iran wint met zijn financiële steun nu veel aan invloed onder de Palestijnen.
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Laten we Israel gewoon lid maken van de NAVO.... en ja, dat die Israeliers straks zelf wat gaan doen tegen Iran, ligt voor de hand...
ja ik vraag me serieus af wat ze er mee willen bereiken je komt alleen maar meer in een issolement te zitten en militair kun je hem niet gebruiken want je hebt er niet genoeg en het ontbreekt je aan transportmiddelenquote:Op vrijdag 17 november 2006 15:55 schreef gronk het volgende:
Dat is de een-na-laatste stap.
De laatste stap is nukes gooien op Washington DC. Daarna gaat 't licht aan in Teheran. Eventjes.
De laatste stap zal wel wat centrigues erbij betekenen. Big deal.quote:Op vrijdag 17 november 2006 15:21 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:
'Iran klaar voor laatste nucleaire stap'
ze zijn toe aan de laatste stap nu weet ik niet of dat een kern bom inhoud of een paar bommen van israel.
nee want dan heb je nog 187 stappen te gaan de laatste stap is of een kernbom (wat ik denk gezien de retoriek) of een kerncentrale.quote:Op vrijdag 17 november 2006 16:10 schreef tvlxd het volgende:
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De laatste stap zal wel wat centrigues erbij betekenen. Big deal.
We zien wel. Ik denk dat het niets voorstelt.quote:Op vrijdag 17 november 2006 16:13 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:
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nee want dan heb je nog 187 stappen te gaan de laatste stap is of een kernbom (wat ik denk gezien de retoriek) of een kerncentrale.
niet nog wat houtje touwtje centrifuges erbij
http://www.wereldomroep.nl/actua/news/international/#5083986quote:Senaat VS steunt omstreden akkoord met India
De Amerikaanse Senaat heeft ingestemd met een uitzonderlijk nucleair akkoord met India. Dat land krijgt toegang tot nucleaire technologieën voor burgerdoeleinden in ruil voor het onder internationaal toezicht stellen van de Indiase atoomreactoren. Het akkoord werd ruim een jaar geleden al op hoofdlijnen beklonken door de regeringsleiders van de twee grootste democratieën ter wereld, premier Singh en president Bush.
Enkele senatoren wilden wijzigingen aanbrengen uit vrees voor een nucleaire wapenwedloop in Azië en de mogelijke export van nucleaire technologieën naar Iran. Uiteindelijk gingen ze akkoord, onder voorwaarde dat India volledig meewerkt aan de internationale pogingen om Iran in het gareel te houden. Het akkoord is verder omstreden omdat India het internationale non-proliferatieverdrag niet heeft ondertekend. Om die reden moest het Congres een uitzondering maken op het bestaande verbod om nucleaire technologieën door te spelen aan dergelijke landen.
Ik mis Pakistanquote:Op maandag 6 november 2006 18:28 schreef zakjapannertje het volgende:
bijgevoegde plaatje even FOKvriendelijk gemaakt:
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Tsja, en zo is het.quote:Olmert's drums of war
However, experts on strategy have voiced doubts regarding Israel's ability to carry out an effective aerial attack on Iran's nuclear installations, similar to the raid that destroyed Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981. The experts say there are three prerequisites for such an operation:
* Accurate and updated intelligence on the locations of the targets, some of which are hidden underground and are well defended
* The right kinds of munitions capable of destroying their targets with a high chance of success
* Diplomatic coordination with the Americans. The U.S. forces in the region could become targets of Iranian retaliation, just like Israel, and therefore there is no way that an independent Israeli action can take place without authorization from Bush. Did Olmert get such a go-ahead and is this why he was pleased with his visit to the White House?
Because of the complexity of an air attack and the uncertainty of its effectiveness, the Israeli experts believe that it is best to take action that would slow down Iran's bid for nuclear arms, instead of aiming for a decapitating strike.
Welnee, 't duurt even, maar uiteindelijk is 't de beste oplossing voor iedereen als die fundamentalisten zich niet voortplanten.quote:
hopelijk slaat Israel voor die tijd toequote:Op zondag 19 november 2006 20:09 schreef tvlxd het volgende:
Een moord in Iran, nog een stap verder en ze hebben een atoombom.
Dat kan Israël niet.quote:Op zondag 19 november 2006 20:11 schreef Frutsel het volgende:
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hopelijk slaat Israel voor die tijd toe
http://www.wereldomroep.nl/actua/news/international/#5090936quote:Chinese president brengt bezoek aan Pakistan
De Chinese president Hu Jintao is aangekomen in Pakistan voor een vierdaags bezoek. Hu werd in Islamabad verwelkomd door onder anderen de Pakistaanse leider Pervez Musharraf. Het is de eerste keer in tien jaar dat een Chinese leider in Pakistan op bezoek komt. Beide landen willen hun handelsbetrekkingen aanhalen. Ook staat Chinese hulp aan het Pakistaanse nucleaire programma op de agenda. President Hu kwam naar Pakistan vanuit buurland India, waar hij drie dagen was. Ook daar stond handel hoog op de agenda. China en India zijn de twee landen met de meeste inwoners ter wereld en de snelst groeiende economieën.
Tijdens het bezoek van Hu aan India heeft een Tibetaanse demonstrant zichzelf in brand gestoken. Dat gebeurde bij een demonstratie in Mumbai waar tientallen Tibetanen betoogden tegen de Chinese annexatie van Tibet. De demonstrant werd zwaargewond afgevoerd naar het ziekenhuis. In India wonen meer dan honderdtwintigduizend Tibetaanse ballingen, onder wie de Dalai Lama.
http://www.wereldomroep.nl/portal/news/international/#5097971quote:Open brief Ahmadinejad aan Amerikanen
De Iraanse president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad heeft in een open brief aan de bevolking van de Verenigde Staten opgeroepen tot terugtrekking van de Amerikaanse troepen uit Irak.
In de brief van vijf kantjes wijst hij er op dat Irak een grondwet heeft en een democratisch gekozen parlement. Ahmadinejad zegt dat de Amerikanen de astronomische bedragen voor de militaire operatie in Irak beter kunnen gebruiken voor hun eigen welvaart.
De oproep van de Iraanse president valt samen met het bezoek dat de Iraakse president Talabani de afgelopen dagen aan Teheran bracht. Ahmadinejad heeft bij het bezoek Irak alle hulp toegezegd bij de wederopbouw. De Verenigde Staten beschuldigen het overwegend sjiïtische Iran van steun aan sjiïtische opstandelingen in Irak.
propagandaquote:Op donderdag 16 november 2006 02:34 schreef Finder_elf_towns het volgende:
Iran complains to U.N. over repeated Israeli threats
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bronquote:Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, in an interview scheduled for publication on Sunday, told Germany's Der Spiegel magazine that he could not rule out the possibility of a military attack against Iran, and called for the international community to step up action against Teheran.
Olmert called Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's repeated threats to destroy Israel "absolutely criminal," and said that he expected "more dramatic steps to be taken."
Olmert was interviewed ahead of his planned trip to Germany, where on Tuesday he will meet and hold a joint press conference with Chancellor Angela Merkel.
When asked about his recent offer to concede "large territories" in the West Bank for a "true peace," Olmert responded: "A prime minister should not make promises that he cannot keep but my message is clear: I am prepared to give up regions."
Such a withdrawal, Olmert added, would allow the establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank.
On Friday, Olmert spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin about Iran's nuclear program and told Putin that he hoped the UN Security Council would vote to impose sanctions if Iran continued to flout the international community's demands that it stop its nuclear development, Army Radio reported.
Calling Iran's race to obtain nuclear weapons an existential threat for Israel, Deputy Chief of Staff Maj.-Gen. Moshe Kaplinsky said Friday that a nuclear Iran also threaten all of Europe.
"A nuclear Iran is a threat to Israel but can also have an effect on the entire Middle East," Kaplinsky said during a mayoral conference near Jerusalem. "A nuclear Iran will pose a threat way beyond Israel's borders, possibly even a threat to all of Europe."
Recently, Kaplinsky said, Iran received a shipment of anti-aircraft missiles from Russia and was in touch with China regarding additional arms deals. "There are disagreements when their [nuclear] program will be effective," the general said. "But we predict that Iran will reach the ability in the near future."
Concerning the Baker-Hamilton report, Kaplinsky said: "In my opinion, the strategy used and the way the United States decides to pull out of Iraq, will have an effect on us and the entire region."
Wat denk je dat Israël kan uitrichten tegen Iran?quote:Op zondag 19 november 2006 20:11 schreef Frutsel het volgende:
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hopelijk slaat Israel voor die tijd toe
ze hebben nukes dus in theorie kunnen ze het van de aardbodem wegvagen.quote:Op zaterdag 9 december 2006 23:53 schreef retteketet het volgende:
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En dat gaat dus niet gebeuren.quote:Op zondag 10 december 2006 13:47 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:
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ze hebben nukes dus in theorie kunnen ze het van de aardbodem wegvagen.
Want?quote:
ik denk ook van niet maar goed ze kunnen het welquote:
dat zal Israel al zijn bondgenoten kosten , zelf de US kan dat niet over zijn kant laten gaan.quote:
ik denk niet dat die landen dat gaan proberen want ze zullen vast niet alle nukes gebruiken.quote:Op zondag 10 december 2006 14:17 schreef dontcare het volgende:
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dat zal Israel al zijn bondgenoten kosten , zelf de US kan dat niet over zijn kant laten gaan.
Tevens zal elk land in de buurt van israel met alles wat ze hebben (icl NBC wapens) aanvallen en dat zal Israel dus echt niet overleven.
Tenzij 't een gecombineerde aanval is: US+Israel samen. Doet 't natuurlijk goed voor 't imago van zowel de US als Israel, maar goed, uit hun acties van de afgelopen tien jaar kun je wel zien dat ze daar allebei geen zier om geven.quote:Op zondag 10 december 2006 14:17 schreef dontcare het volgende:
dat zal Israel al zijn bondgenoten kosten , zelf de US kan dat niet over zijn kant laten gaan.
Er komen nooit atoomoorlogen, alleen opgefokte amerikanen denken datquote:Op vrijdag 10 november 2006 11:00 schreef -scorpione- het volgende:
Nou, dat wordt dan over een paar jaar een atoomoorlog.
Wat zit er dan nu in 't witte huis?quote:Op zondag 10 december 2006 15:28 schreef thedude0 het volgende:
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Er komen nooit atoomoorlogen, alleen opgefokte amerikanen denken dat
http://www.wereldomroep.nl/portal/news/international/#5109926quote:Golfstaten willen gezamenlijk nucleair programma
De zes Arabische Golfstaten gaan onderzoeken of ze een gezamenlijk nucleair programma kunnen ontwikkelen. Op de jaarlijkse top van Golfstaten stelden de deelnemende landen dat ze recht hebben op een kernenergieprogramma voor vreedzame doeleinden. De tweedaagse top in Riyad werd bijgewoond door Saudi-Arabië, Qatar, Bahrein, Oman, Koeweit en de Verenigde Arabische Emiraten.
In de slotverklaring doen de Golfstaten een oproep aan Iran, maar ook aan Israël om op het gebied van hun omstreden nucleaire programma's samen te werken met de internationale gemeenschap.
De zes landen spraken op de top ook over hun plannen om in 2010 een economische unie op te richten. Oman heeft aangegeven zich pas later daarbij aan te sluiten.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6172347.stmquote:At his monthly media briefing the prime minister said the Iranian regime was "deeply extreme".
He called the Holocaust conference in Iran this week, which had speakers including an ex-Ku Klux Klan leader, "shocking beyond belief".
Mr Blair also played down suggestions current problems in Iraq were caused by US decisions after Saddam's fall.
"Iran is deliberately causing maximum problems for moderate governments and for ourselves in the region - in Palestine, in Lebanon and in Iraq."
He said there was "little point" in including Iran and Syria in regional issues, such as Iraq, "unless they are prepared to be constructive".
'Major challenge'
"There is no point in hiding the fact that Iran poses a major strategic threat to the cohesion of the entire region," Mr Blair told reporters.
There were "major, major problems" in Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine, but "all of this is now overshadowed by the issue of Iran".
He said it would be a "major challenge" to deal with Iran.
Describing a "deadlock" over the Palestinian situation, Mr Blair said: "You only have to see what is happening in Iran in the past couple of days to realise how important it is that all people of moderation in the Middle East try to come together and sort out the problems.
"There literally could be nothing more important on the international agenda at the moment than that."
This problem hasn't originated naturally. It's originated as a result of the deliberate outside interference linking up with internal extremism
Tony Blair
Asked about the Iraq Study Group's report, published in the US last week, Mr Blair said it was still the intention to withdraw British troops once Iraqi authorities were able to take over.
"I certainly do not take the Study Group as saying that we should get out, come what may.
"What they are saying is that we have to increase our driving up of the capability of the Iraqi forces, because it's obviously better that the Iraqis themselves take responsibility and indeed the Iraqi government is increasingly saying it wants to take responsibility.
"Then the coalition forces will still be in a support role but it won't be the same as it is at the moment."
Strategy
He said the situation for UK troops in Basra was different from that for US troops in Baghdad, where there was more sectarian violence, but the UK withdrawal would not be affected by US decisions.
"If and when they [US troops] are able to change the situation in Baghdad, then they too will be in a different set of circumstances, but the pace at which both of those things may happen may be different," Mr Blair said.
Mr Blair was also asked about ex-defence secretary Geoff Hoon's suggestion recently that the UK had not wanted the Iraqi army disbanded after Saddam Hussein's fall.
Mr Blair said: "The principal reason we are having a problem in Iraq is because people are deliberately giving us a problem.
"There's sometimes a sense in which, it's as if, if only we sort of had a different post-conflict strategy, somehow we could have avoided this problem.
"This problem hasn't originated naturally. It's originated as a result of the deliberate outside interference linking up with internal extremism."
Wut, na 6000 jaren en aardig wat pogingen om ze uit te roeien zijn ze er nog steeds. Z'n gelul begint een beetje standaard te worden. =/quote:"Thanks to people's wishes and God's will, the trend for the existence of the Zionist regime is downwards, and this is what God has promised and what all nations want," he said
vooralsnog is dat met conventionele wapens, ik geloof dat dat ook vooral van Russische makelij is, Egypte bv. wendt zich hiermee af van Amerikaquote:Op woensdag 13 december 2006 00:01 schreef atmosphere1 het volgende:
Erg begrijpelijk dat ze zich gezamelijk gaan wapenen tegen het aggressieve westen .
egypte koopt VS m1a1 tanksquote:Op woensdag 13 december 2006 11:12 schreef zakjapannertje het volgende:
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vooralsnog is dat met conventionele wapens, ik geloof dat dat ook vooral van Russische makelij is, Egypte bv. wendt zich hiermee af van Amerika
Rusland is in beeld iig in Egyptequote:Op woensdag 13 december 2006 11:48 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6109192.stmquote:But Egypt has begun to look back to Russia for new weapons - something that will not impress its traditional supplier, the United States, our correspondent says.
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD139706quote:"Throughout History, This Religious Group [i.e. the Jews] has Inflicted the Most Damage on the Human Race"
"On a visit to Gilan University, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s advisor Mohammad Ali Ramin said to a group of students in the town of Rasht: 'We Iranians are definitely not, and never have been, nationalistic, and we are not against any ethnic [group]. We certainly do not worship race, nor [are we] against any race, and we nave never perpetrated genocide. This is why Islam, which appeared and advanced [the notion of] equality among nations and among peoples, greatly appealed to us Iranians. We have accepted the [principle] of equality among nations since the days of the Achaemenids. [2] Antisemitism, therefore, has no place in our Iranian [culture]. I myself honestly fight for just treatment of Judaism. Ten years ago, [when] I first brought up the issue of the Holocaust in this country, my intention was to defend the Jews…
"'But among the Jews there have always been those who killed God’s prophets and who opposed justice and righteousness. Throughout history, this religious group has inflicted the most damage on the human race, while some groups within it engaged in plotting against other nations and ethnic groups to cause cruelty, malice and wickedness.
"'Historically, there are many accusations against the Jews. For example, it was said that they were the source for such deadly diseases as the plague and typhus. This is because the Jews are very filthy people. For a time people also said that they poisoned water wells belonging to Christians and thus killed them,' Ramin said.
"Ramin also pointed that powerful people also concocted other plots to mislead public opinion around the world. 'When the Islamic Revolution of Iran succeeded and attracted many people around the world, including Christians, the AIDS epidemic came about, and fear again overtook the world. After the September 11 attacks, the deadly epidemic broke out, which was destroyed when the U.S. invaded Afghanistan. On the eve of the invasion of Iran, the SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) illness broke out, but disappeared after the invasion,' he said."
"Nobody Asks How a Bird Infected with the Flu Could Fly From Australia to Siberia"
"Ramin also claimed that the spread of avian flu was a conspiracy plot cause[d] by the failure of America, Israel and Britain in the Middle East. Ramin pointed out that, to cover up and hide their failures, these countries have spread the news about the bird flu and thus preoccupied and distracted public opinion for some 5 to 6 months. 'Nobody asks how a bird infected with the flu could fly from Australia to Siberia,' he said, adding that even the Iranian minister of health had claimed to have stopped the disease at Iran’s borders. He claimed the holocaust story and bird flu rumors are interrelated. He stated that the killing of millions of chickens was intended to control the price and amount [of] chicken in the market."
"In Order to Deny the Germans the Ability to Increase Their Power, the British andAmericans Present Them as a Human-Burning Nation"
"While acknowledging not knowing the source of these events around the world, Ramin said, 'I only know that Jews have been accused of such conspiracies and sabotage throughout history and have not performed well.' Repeating the president’s claims about the Holocaust, he presented four theories that can be brought in support of these claims:
"The first theory is that, in order to deny the Germans the ability to increase their power, 'the British and Americans present them as a human-burning nation.'
"The second theory is that the Americans and the British have cooked up this story along with the Zionists, so as to create the state of Israel in the middle of the Islamic world and thus control the Islamic world using the pretext of the Holocaust, while also getting rid of the Jews from Europe…
"The third hypothesis relates to the traditional animosity between Christians and Jews. 'The U.S. and Britain, with the cooperation of France, Russia and Germany, and because of their Christian leanings and animosity towards the Jews, initiated the idea of the Holocaust after the Second World War in order to scare off the Jews and send them to what is now Israel in order to get rid of them in Europe and America,' he said. He further said that the movement that created Israel is in fact against the Jews.
"The fourth theory relates to covering up the crimes of the U.S. and Britain. Ramin claimed that Britain killed some 100 million Red Indians in the last 300 years, and the U.S. leveled Hiroshima - which, he said, were the real Holocausts...
"Ramin added that the aim of the Holocaust conspiracy was to facilitate the establishment of the state of Israel, which would, in turn, provoke the Muslims to rise up, confront the Jews, and massacre them. 'This [conspiracy],' he said, 'conducted by Europe and America, would lead to the total annihilation of global Jewry." Ramin added that 'as a religious Muslim, who believes in the equality of all nations, he must alert [people] to the fact that the state of Israel was established as the result of a conspiracy against the Jews...'"
"The Resolution of the Holocaust Issue Will End in the Destruction of Israel"
"Ramin claimed that the Holocaust was the main reason why Palestine was occupied, while Israel was the main cause of crises and catastrophe in the Middle East. 'So long as Israel exists in the region,' he said, 'there will never be peace and security in the Middle East. So the resolution of the Holocaust issue will end in the destruction of Israel.'
"Turning to President Ahmadinejad’s comments on the Holocaust, Ramin said that he criticized the president for making those comments. 'We do not know whether the Holocaust happened or not and so must find out in order to defend the injured party. My suggestion to him,' he said, 'was to set up an investigative committee on this to collect the supporting documents...
"He added that 'before [President] Ahmadinejad placed the issue of the Holocaust [on the global agenda], they [i.e. the West] were always the prosecutors, while we [Muslims] were always [in the position of] the accused. But now Ahmadinejad has enabled us to [take the position of] prosecutors, and challenge the West.
"Ramin also stated that 'many still fail to realize that Iran [now] has an unprecedented and extraordinary opportunity. Raising the issue of the Holocaust will give us a opportunity of global [proportions] to defend the rights of an oppressed nation - [either] the Germans or the Jews - and I hope that lecturers, intellectuals, students and all the Iranian citizens will be aware of this opportunity for change."
Het blijft een groot spel. De VS is al aan het buigen atm om het democratie gedoe minder te pushen in het MO. Vriendelijke landen zoals SA, Egypte en Jordanie waren daar niet echt blij mee.quote:Op woensdag 13 december 2006 14:17 schreef zakjapannertje het volgende:
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Rusland is in beeld iig in Egypte
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6109192.stm
Vriendelijke landen?quote:Op zaterdag 16 december 2006 14:32 schreef pingu_ het volgende:
Vriendelijke landen zoals SA, Egypte en Jordanie waren daar niet echt blij mee.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3652&page=1quote:Iran and Israel Hold Secret Talks
ATTA KENARE/AFP/Getty Images
While Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad spent the better part of 2006 denying the Holocaust and threatening to destroy Israel, his country was sitting down with Israeli representatives to settle old debts. The clandestine talks, first reported by Israeli daily Haaretz this month, concern hundreds of millions of dollars allegedly owed to Iran for oil it supplied to Israel before the 1979 Islamic Revolution, when Iran severed the two countries’ economic ties dating back to the 1950s. According to the report, negotiations over the debt have been on-again and off-again for nearly two decades, and the two sides met recently in Geneva in an attempt to reach an agreement.
It’s unclear why Israeli and Swiss officials are now willing to confirm that the talks are taking place. However, there is one leading theory: The leak was timed to embarrass Iran by publicizing its cooperation with a country it refuses to recognize. And the strategy may have worked. Iran swiftly and vehemently denied it’s secretly talking to the Jewish state. It just goes to show, money talks.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3652&page=2quote:
India Helps Iran Build the Bomb, While the White House Looks the Other Way
RAVEENDRAN/AFP/Getty Images
The U.S. government usually takes a hard line against countries that assist Iran with its nuclear program. In 2006 alone, Washington sanctioned firms in Cuba, North Korea, and Russia for making it a little easier for Iran to develop weapons of mass destruction. But, when the proliferator is a close American ally, the United States seems to take a different approach.
Just after the U.S. House of Representatives voted in July to support a plan to provide India with nuclear technology, the Bush administration quietly imposed sanctions on two Indian firms for supplying Tehran with missile parts. Nor was the White House forthcoming with congress about other blots on India’s proliferation record: In the past two years, two other Indian companies have been penalized for allegedly passing chemical weapons information to Iran, and two Indian scientists who ran the state-run nuclear utility were barred from doing business with the U.S. government after they allegedly passed heavy-water nuclear technology to Tehran. Far from scuttling India’s nuclear deal, the United States seems to have rewarded the country by overturning 30 years of nonproliferation policy in its favor.
De VS (en delen van Europa) kunnen het meestal wel aardig met deze landen vinden. Wat ook handig uitkomt op dit moment is dat deze allemaal Shia zijn.quote:
Ze zijn allemaal overwegend soennitischquote:Op donderdag 21 december 2006 16:04 schreef pingu_ het volgende:
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De VS (en delen van Europa) kunnen het meestal wel aardig met deze landen vinden. Wat ook handig uitkomt op dit moment is dat deze allemaal Shia zijn.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/122106D.shtmlquote:Saudi Royals Snub Bush, Fund Opposition to US Troops
By Jeffrey Klein and Paolo Pontoniere
New America Media
Thursday 21 December 2006
Early in November, National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley recommended, in a memo leaked to the press, that Saudi Arabia play a leadership role in talks about Iraq's future. But even before the memo landed on Bush's White House desk, the Saudis were positioning themselves to directly influence strategy in Iraq:
* While the debate about negotiating with the Iranians and the Syrians raged in America's leading circles, Vice President Dick Cheney flew to Riyadh for talks. Topic of conversation? The safety of Iraq's Sunni minority should American forces disengage. Simply put: the king read the riot act to the vice president.
* A few weeks later the Iraq Study Group asserted that Saudi private citizens, and probably a few members of the Saudi royal family, have been financing the Sunni opposition in Iraq all along. This is the same opposition that is targeting U.S. troops. Last week, Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah confirmed that his loyalty must lie with Iraq's Sunni tribal chiefs, even if his support also helps insurgents who have been fighting Americans and the Brits.
* Early in November, the Saudis announced their intention to build a $10 billion wall (give or take a few billion) on the border with Iraq, with Raytheon as the top bidder. Raytheon, one of America's premier weapons manufacturers, has close ties to the neocons, including Richard Armitage, former undersecretary of state and Sean O'Keefe, secretary of the Navy during the Reagan administration. Raytheon's stock price is hovering near a seven-year high.
The Saudis are clear about their bottom line: If the United States isn't careful about withdrawing from Iraq, the Sunni kingdom will have no other choice but to arm Iraqi's Sunnis, especially if the Saudi's arch-rival, Iran, which has already destabilized the regional power equilibrium by launching a nuclear program, rushes into a military vacuum left by the Americans.
Last week in Riyadh, at the end of a two-day summit of the Gulf Cooperation Council (a six-country organism including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates), the Saudis announced their interest in developing a joint nuclear energy program. Publicly, Arab officials said the program would be directed at meeting the burgeoning demand for electricity in the region. According to Gulf officials, despite their enormous oil reserves, which power everything from electricity generation to water desalination, the Gulf States need a new source of energy.
"Nuclear technology is an important technology to have for generating power," said Prince Saud al-Faisal, the Saudi foreign minister, at the conclusion of the summit meeting, "and the Gulf states will need it equally."
Few observers doubt that promoting the idea of a joint atomic energy program between the predominantly Sunni Arab states is a way for Saudi Arabia to send a message to the United States that the Arab state will match Tehran's nuclear power if it needs to.
For years now the international press has been awash with reports about a Saudi collaboration with Pakistan to develop a Saudi nuclear program. Early in 2006, the German periodical Cicero reported that satellite imagery obtained by Germany's secret service indicated that Saudi Arabia has set up in Al-Sulaiyil, south of Riyadh, a secret underground city and dozens of underground silos for missiles. According to Cicero, those silos may be already armed with long-range Ghauri-type missiles of Pakistani origin. This information was corroborated by John Pike, one of the United States' foremost military analysts. According to Pike, a great part of the financing for the so-called Islamic Bomb, Pakistan's nuclear program, has been provided by Saudi financiers.
How hard can the White House push back on the Saudis? It's the Saudis who are now doing the pushing. Last week Saudi financiers showed their political power by forcing Tony Blair to peremptorily cancel his own government's investigation of a slush fund reportedly kicking back 32 percent to Saudi royals on their military purchases from Great Britain. The Saudis reportedly told Blair they'd never buy British weaponry again if their Swiss bank accounts were investigated by the Brits.
"The Saudis think a nasty civil war in Iraq could quickly sour into an even nastier regional war," Pike says, "so they're not in a real patient mood."
quote:Op donderdag 21 december 2006 19:30 schreef zakjapannertje het volgende:
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http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=12349quote:News reports based on military sources indicating that the United States plans to move a second aircraft carrier and its supporting ships to the Persian Gulf next month, where it will overlap for several months with the USS Eisenhower, have piqued attention (and anxiety) on the Potomac this week: is the Bush administration laying the groundwork for a spring air war against Tehran, even as it comes under growing domestic pressures to consider talking with Iran and Syria?
The Pentagon announcement of the planned amassing of naval air power in the Gulf coincided with a similar British pledge to move warships to the Persian Gulf, as well as statements from the State Department, President Bush, and British Prime Minister Tony Blair that all focused on Iran's allegedly increasing misbehavior in the region. The Iranian government is “openly supporting terrorism in Iraq to stop a fledgling democratic process, trying to turn out a democratic government in Lebanon, flouting the international community's desire for peace in Palestine -- at the same time as denying the Holocaust,” Blair said Wednesday at a conference in Dubai.
After months of negotiations, the UN Security Council is expected to pass a resolution imposing limited sanctions on Iran as early as today, sources said, barring a hitch. Sanctions would include a limited “travel ban on Iranians associated with the nuclear program, a freeze on their overseas assets, and a ban on nuclear-related exports,” the Guardian reported. They will be the first UN Security Council sanctions on Iran since 1979.
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Are the amassing air power in the region and sanctions signs of looming war? Not yet.
is er toevallig ook info over andere landen die er schepen naar toe aan dirigeren zijn (frankrijk, navo partners)quote:Op zaterdag 23 december 2006 12:54 schreef Monidique het volgende:
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http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=12349
er zijn toch ook geruchten dat er een NL sub is of is die al wegquote:Op zaterdag 23 december 2006 13:09 schreef Monidique het volgende:
De Britten in ieder geval, volgens het artikel.
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Iran versnelt nucleair programma
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` Iran gaat zijn nucleaire programma
versneld uitvoeren.In de kerncentrale
in Natanz worden 3000 ultracentrifuges
voor de uraniumverrijking in gebruik
genomen,zegt Iran.Het is een reactie
op de resolutie van de Veiligheidsraad.
In de resolutie die gisteren aan werd
genomen staat dat Iran geen materiaal
mag importeren dat het kan gebruiken
voor de verrijking van uranium of de
productie van kernwapens.Als dat toch
gebeurt,dan volgen meer sancties.
In de ultracentrifuges in Natanz zal
verrijkt uranium worden geproduceerd.
Dat kan gebruikt worden voor de
productie van kernwapens.
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Dat denk ik ook ja. De Amerikanen zitten in een uiterst lastig pakket. Irak en Afghanistan zijn verre van veilig, stabiel en rustig. Een aanval op Iran van de Amerikanen zou de situatie niet beter maken en alleen maar verslechteren. Wat je krijgt is een regio waar het domino effect toeslaat van geweld op geweld met een ideologische tint. Dan heb je niets aan militaire en technologische superioriteit waar de Amerikanen volledig op blind varen.quote:Op zondag 24 december 2006 12:37 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Tsja, Amerika ligt op z'n rug en Iran weet dat maar al te goed en buit dat uit.
Noord Korea zal binnenkort ook wel weer wat olie op het vuur gooien als hun eigen nucleaire programma minder aandacht krijgt in de media.
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In 1976 was Iran nog geen anti-westerse islamitische staat onder leiding van een ayatollah. Toen dit wel het geval was heeft geen enkele republikeinse administratie ook maar iets van dien aard beweerd.quote:Op zaterdag 6 januari 2007 17:07 schreef zakjapannertje het volgende:
b]A.[/b] Henry Kissinger , as Secretary of State in the Ford administration, 1976. Nevertheless the other three all held key national security posts in the same administration, which endorsed Iranian plans for a massive nuclear energy industry. Further, it encouraged a multi-billion dollar deal that would have allowed Iran control of enormous amounts of plutonium and enriched uranium.
- http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldemexico/notas/n124485.htmquote:Israel planea ataques nucleares contra iran
- http://www.foxnews.comquote:ISRAEL REPORTEDLY PLANNING, TRAINING FOR NUCLEAR STRIKE AGAINST IRAN
welja, lekker effectief allemaal, kunnen we over 100 jaar nog eens nadenken hoe lomp de mensheid wel niet was, waarom moet iedereen toch altijd leren van hun eigen fouten...quote:Op zondag 7 januari 2007 02:08 schreef michael2- het volgende:
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- http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldemexico/notas/n124485.htm
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- http://www.foxnews.com
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/global/quote:Op zondag 7 januari 2007 02:13 schreef Smoked het volgende:
Is foxnews niet een beetje de sbs6 van Amerika met nepverhalen enz?
Denk even na. Als Israel kernwapens zou gebruiken zou ze de Amerikaanse belangen in de regio onherstelbaar beschadigen. Men voert hiermee de druk op Amerika om Iran aan te vallen op.quote:Op zondag 7 januari 2007 02:31 schreef Smoked het volgende:
Aan Bush zal het niet liggen denk ik. Meedoen is een ander verhaal maar hij zal het zeker supporten.
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