NWS Nieuws & Achtergronden
Discussieer hier diepgaander over de actualiteiten.
Ik dacht, die TT is positief, vernieuwing
totdat ik de eerste regel las, dat Rice op zou volgen. Toen zat ik gelijk weer met een
totdat ik de eerste regel las, dat Rice op zou volgen. Toen zat ik gelijk weer met een
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Het is de paradox van een vrouw die zwart is, maar wel hard beleid voert. Lijkt me heerlijk om links een zwarte vrouw te zien bashen.quote:Op woensdag 19 oktober 2005 00:43 schreef Tarak het volgende:
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Waarom zou dat "nice" zijn? Dat heb ik nooit begrepen, waarom is het beter als er een vrouw / neger / homo / latino / gehandicapte of liefst combinatie van één deze factoren op een bepaalde positie zit.
Liever een "WASP male" die gekozen is omdat mensen bewust op hem hun stemmen hebben uitgebracht, dan iemand die gekozen is vanwege solidariteitsstemmen uit zieligheidsoverwegingen omdat hij/zij uit een minderheidsgroepering afkomstig is.
A little philosphy may inclineth a man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy shall bringeth men's minds about to religion.
Id legi modo hic modo illic. Vero, Latine loqui non est difficilissimum.
Id legi modo hic modo illic. Vero, Latine loqui non est difficilissimum.
Ken je die show 'the aprrentice' (ofzo) van Donald Trump?quote:Op zaterdag 22 oktober 2005 11:45 schreef Pracissor het volgende:
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Het is de paradox van een vrouw die zwart is, maar wel hard beleid voert. Lijkt me heerlijk om links een zwarte vrouw te zien bashen.
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Update / samenvatting:
* Bloomberg reports that "one lawyer intimately involved in the case ... said one reason Fitzgerald was willing to send Miller to jail to compel testimony was because he was pursuing evidence the Vice President may have been aware of the specifics of the anti-Wilson strategy."
* The Daily News reports: "Cheney´s name has come up amid indications Fitzgerald may be edging closer to a blockbuster conspiracy charge—with help from a secret snitch."
* The New York Times reports that Fitzgerald told associates he has no plans to issue a final report which suggests he is going to bring indictments. If Rove is forced to step aside, among the replacements being considered are Dan Bartlett, currently Bush´s counselor and himself a regular participant in the WHIG; Ken Mehlman, chairman of the RNC; and Robert M. Kimmitt, Deputy Treasury Secretary.
* U.S. News and World Report reports that there are rumors that Cheney might step aside, and that Bush might elevate Condi Rice. Of course, Rice herself is a member of the WHIG.
* The Raw Story reports that John Hannah, a senior national security aide on loan to Cheney from the offices of then-Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs, John Bolton, was named as a target of Fitzgerald´s probe. If Hannah is cooperating with Fitzgerald he is likely to be charged as a co-conspirator and may have cut a deal. Those close to the investigation said in June 2003 Hannah was given orders by higher-ups in Cheney´s office to leak Plame´s covert status and identity. Fitzgerald may be looking at the WHIG and the Pentagon´s Office of Net Assessment, the former operating out of Cheney´s office and the latter out of Defense Under Secretary for Policy, Douglas Feith´s office. Hannah is under investigation for his activities in an intelligence program run by Chalabi´s INC. INC was providing intelligence through Hannah and Scooter Libby. Joe Wilson himself identifies Hannah and David Wurmser as possible sources of the leak in his book The Politics of Truth.
* The Raw Story later reports in another story that a second Cheney aide is cooperating with Fitzgerald and identifies David Wurmser. Both Hannah and Wurmser worked for John Bolton.
* The Raw Story reports that Rep. Conyers and Rep. Ike Skelton sent Rumsfeld a letter demanding an explanation of Miller´s top secret security clearance, which Rumsfeld reportedly personally authorized. In April 2003, Judith Miller "took custody" of Saddam Hussein´s son-in-law. She also sat in on the initial debriefing of Jamal Sultan Tikriti. One military officer says that Miller sometimes "intimidated" Army soldiers by invoking Rumsfeld or Douglas Feith. Given her relationship to Rumsfeld and Feith, among others, Judith Miller has clearly given a new meaning to the term "em-bedded."
* The National Journal reports that according to attorneys, Libby told the grand jury that in the July 8, 2003 meeting with Judith Miller, he did not know Wilson´s wife worked for the CIA or anything else about her. Libby did not disclose the June 23 meeting with Miller in two appearances before the grand jury or in interviews with the FBI. The article reviews various attempts to influence Miller´s testimony, including the fact that on Sept. 29, the night before Miller testified, a source sympathetic to Libby spoke to journalists from at least three news organiations to leak word as to what Libby himself had said in his own testimony. Journalists at two news organizations declined to publish the story, but the WaPo did post an account on its Web site, implicating itself in an effort by Libby to tamper with Miller´s testimony.
* The Daily News reports that George W. Bush has known about Rove´s role in Plamegate for two years. During the White House briefing Scott McClellan refused to confirm or deny the story.
* Bloomberg reports that "one lawyer intimately involved in the case ... said one reason Fitzgerald was willing to send Miller to jail to compel testimony was because he was pursuing evidence the Vice President may have been aware of the specifics of the anti-Wilson strategy."
* The Daily News reports: "Cheney´s name has come up amid indications Fitzgerald may be edging closer to a blockbuster conspiracy charge—with help from a secret snitch."
* The New York Times reports that Fitzgerald told associates he has no plans to issue a final report which suggests he is going to bring indictments. If Rove is forced to step aside, among the replacements being considered are Dan Bartlett, currently Bush´s counselor and himself a regular participant in the WHIG; Ken Mehlman, chairman of the RNC; and Robert M. Kimmitt, Deputy Treasury Secretary.
* U.S. News and World Report reports that there are rumors that Cheney might step aside, and that Bush might elevate Condi Rice. Of course, Rice herself is a member of the WHIG.
* The Raw Story reports that John Hannah, a senior national security aide on loan to Cheney from the offices of then-Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs, John Bolton, was named as a target of Fitzgerald´s probe. If Hannah is cooperating with Fitzgerald he is likely to be charged as a co-conspirator and may have cut a deal. Those close to the investigation said in June 2003 Hannah was given orders by higher-ups in Cheney´s office to leak Plame´s covert status and identity. Fitzgerald may be looking at the WHIG and the Pentagon´s Office of Net Assessment, the former operating out of Cheney´s office and the latter out of Defense Under Secretary for Policy, Douglas Feith´s office. Hannah is under investigation for his activities in an intelligence program run by Chalabi´s INC. INC was providing intelligence through Hannah and Scooter Libby. Joe Wilson himself identifies Hannah and David Wurmser as possible sources of the leak in his book The Politics of Truth.
* The Raw Story later reports in another story that a second Cheney aide is cooperating with Fitzgerald and identifies David Wurmser. Both Hannah and Wurmser worked for John Bolton.
* The Raw Story reports that Rep. Conyers and Rep. Ike Skelton sent Rumsfeld a letter demanding an explanation of Miller´s top secret security clearance, which Rumsfeld reportedly personally authorized. In April 2003, Judith Miller "took custody" of Saddam Hussein´s son-in-law. She also sat in on the initial debriefing of Jamal Sultan Tikriti. One military officer says that Miller sometimes "intimidated" Army soldiers by invoking Rumsfeld or Douglas Feith. Given her relationship to Rumsfeld and Feith, among others, Judith Miller has clearly given a new meaning to the term "em-bedded."
* The National Journal reports that according to attorneys, Libby told the grand jury that in the July 8, 2003 meeting with Judith Miller, he did not know Wilson´s wife worked for the CIA or anything else about her. Libby did not disclose the June 23 meeting with Miller in two appearances before the grand jury or in interviews with the FBI. The article reviews various attempts to influence Miller´s testimony, including the fact that on Sept. 29, the night before Miller testified, a source sympathetic to Libby spoke to journalists from at least three news organiations to leak word as to what Libby himself had said in his own testimony. Journalists at two news organizations declined to publish the story, but the WaPo did post an account on its Web site, implicating itself in an effort by Libby to tamper with Miller´s testimony.
* The Daily News reports that George W. Bush has known about Rove´s role in Plamegate for two years. During the White House briefing Scott McClellan refused to confirm or deny the story.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Het begint best interessant te worden nou . Bush blijft tot diep in het ongeloofwaardige Rove verdedigenquote:http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/101605Z.shtml
When Mr. Rove was asked on camera by ABC News in September 2003 if he had any knowledge of the Valerie Wilson leak and said no, it was only hours before the Justice Department would open its first leak investigation. When Scott McClellan later declared that he had been personally assured by Mr. Rove and Mr. Libby that they were "not involved" with the leak, the case was still in the safe hands of the attorney general then, John Ashcroft, himself a three-time Rove client in past political campaigns. Though Mr. Rove may be known as "Bush's brain," he wasn't smart enough to anticipate that Justice Department career employees would eventually pressure Mr. Ashcroft to recuse himself because of this conflict of interest, clearing the way for an outside prosecutor as independent as Mr. Fitzgerald.
. Bush blijft tot diep in het ongeloofwaardige Rove verdedigen 
Stel dat Fritzgerald dit hard gaat makenquote:The Daily News reports that George W. Bush has known about Rove´s role in Plamegate for two years. During the White House briefing Scott McClellan refused to confirm or deny the story.
"You can never get enough of what you don't need to make you happy."
"Today Chris Matthews on his show Hardball on MSNBC said that Patrick
Fitzgerald will have a press conference on Wednesday during which he
will announce the indictments. He also mentioned that Fitzpatrick
opened a website from Washington, D.C. and that he did the same thing
from Chicago when he indicted DeLay.
Matthews is obviously fully aware of what is happening and is willing
to tell the truth, unlike the shills in the new media who follow Bush
orders to the letter. He said the indictments will go up all the way
up to Cheney and Bush and will be an international event of
unprecedented proportions!
This does not mean impeachment hearings - it means ARRESTS FOR
TREASON!!! If the Bush cabal´s interference in these proceedings
goes too far, then they will just be arrested that much sooner."
( unconfirmed source )
Fitzgerald will have a press conference on Wednesday during which he
will announce the indictments. He also mentioned that Fitzpatrick
opened a website from Washington, D.C. and that he did the same thing
from Chicago when he indicted DeLay.
Matthews is obviously fully aware of what is happening and is willing
to tell the truth, unlike the shills in the new media who follow Bush
orders to the letter. He said the indictments will go up all the way
up to Cheney and Bush and will be an international event of
unprecedented proportions!
This does not mean impeachment hearings - it means ARRESTS FOR
TREASON!!! If the Bush cabal´s interference in these proceedings
goes too far, then they will just be arrested that much sooner."
( unconfirmed source )
)
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
quote:So will it really be a victory to see Cheney walk off into the sunset without justice being done?
Whilst we await to see what transpires we have to remember that men like Cheney and Rove are the greedy little power-hungry middlemen for the higher echelons. They are puppets that are simply used to get a job done by the Globalist elite who are really in control. These people have been compromised from the very day they took office and their masters know that, it's part of how they are controlled and rewarded. Therefore will it really matter in the long run if they are removed from the operation? They have served their purpose and will simply be replaced. You can remove as many heads of the Hydra as you want, and whilst you celebrate your achievement it will simply regenerate twofold.
David Gergen: "Wheels are coming off" the Bush Admin
"You can never get enough of what you don't need to make you happy."
Straks in Nova:
'Plame game' maakt medewerkers Bush nerveus
"Lekte het Witte Huis in stilte de identiteit van CIA-agent Valerie Plame? Zij is de vrouw van een oud-ambassadeur die kritisch was over de Irakpolitiek van Bush. Uit rancune werd haar identiteit naar de pers gelekt. Wie zijn de daders?"
En verder:
Bushies feeling the boss' wrath
"WASHINGTON - Facing the darkest days of his presidency, President Bush is frustrated, sometimes angry and even bitter, his associates say."
'Plame game' maakt medewerkers Bush nerveus
"Lekte het Witte Huis in stilte de identiteit van CIA-agent Valerie Plame? Zij is de vrouw van een oud-ambassadeur die kritisch was over de Irakpolitiek van Bush. Uit rancune werd haar identiteit naar de pers gelekt. Wie zijn de daders?"
En verder:
Bushies feeling the boss' wrath
"WASHINGTON - Facing the darkest days of his presidency, President Bush is frustrated, sometimes angry and even bitter, his associates say."
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Nee hoor alles in de juiste proporties blijven zien...quote:Op woensdag 19 oktober 2005 10:29 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Ik ook niet, uiteraard weet hij alles af van deze zaak, die groter is dan Watergate of Iran-Contra, maar ik zie 'm nog niet zo snel aftreden.
En hier gaat het slechts om het loslippig gedrag van een aantal diecte staf medewerkers (als onderdeel van een groter plan). Met of zonder die CIA agente was die oorlog in Irak er toch gekomen.
Wel een gevoelig onderwerp... maar ik kan me 1001 Amerikaanse beerputten voor de geest halen die veel harder stonken.
Het betreft niet slechts loslippigheid, het betreft tevens een doofpot-affaire, en dat is het ergste van dit verhaal, en dat is waar vermoedelijk de focus ligt van Fitzgerald.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Als die oorlog in Irak na 2 jr afgelopen was, met een overdracht aan de Iraakse (pro VS) regering was deze affaire nooit van de grond gekomen. Maar omdat de geweldsspiraal niet oplost krijgen dergelijk soort akkefietjes een voedingsbodem met steeds grotere tentakels.
Ik vraag me alleen af wat er nog meer onder de grond beweegt , (we zien slechts een tipje van de sluier) ?
Ik vraag me alleen af wat er nog meer onder de grond beweegt , (we zien slechts een tipje van de sluier) ?
Tsja, dat vraag ik me dus ook al enige tijd af.
We hebben nu een aantal zaken lopen in de VS die zeer nadelige gevolgen kunnen hebben voor de regering Bush:
1. Plamegate / Rovegate
2. Able Danger
3. Tom DeLay
En daarbij dat naaste medewerkers van Bush nu in de openbaarheid treden met verhalen over de huidige mental state van Bush, dat hij gestressed is, bitter overkomt, last heeft van mood swings, etc., Fox News en MSNBC berichten hier nu over, hoor ik net.
Zeer interessant allemaal, maar wat er achter steekt?
Of het allemaal doorgestoken kaart is weet ik niet, hidden agenda's? Misschien. Maar misschien is dit wel gewoon het recht dat zege viert, what you give is what you get, karma being played out, of hoe je dat ook wilt noemen, wie zal het zeggen?
We zullen het merken, deze week.
We hebben nu een aantal zaken lopen in de VS die zeer nadelige gevolgen kunnen hebben voor de regering Bush:
1. Plamegate / Rovegate
2. Able Danger
3. Tom DeLay
En daarbij dat naaste medewerkers van Bush nu in de openbaarheid treden met verhalen over de huidige mental state van Bush, dat hij gestressed is, bitter overkomt, last heeft van mood swings, etc., Fox News en MSNBC berichten hier nu over, hoor ik net.
Zeer interessant allemaal, maar wat er achter steekt?
Of het allemaal doorgestoken kaart is weet ik niet, hidden agenda's? Misschien. Maar misschien is dit wel gewoon het recht dat zege viert, what you give is what you get, karma being played out, of hoe je dat ook wilt noemen, wie zal het zeggen?
We zullen het merken, deze week.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Clinton had er ook een paar, maar die hebben hem niet echt geraakt.... Iedereen wilde dat hij zijn ambtstermijn vol kon maken. G.W.Bush is bij lange-na niet zo populair als zij charismatische voorganger en onder een vergrootglas maken ze allemaal fouten.
Absoluut, maar fouten maken is dan ook minder erg dan het maken van fouten verdoezelen in plaats van ze zo snel mogelijk te corrigeren, en om dat verdoezelen van het maken van fouten gaat het in zaak 1 en zaak 2.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Het is een onderdeel, zoals je inderdaad zegt, van dat grotere plan: het fabriceren van een aanvalsoorlog tegen Irak. Dat is inderdaad erger dat WaterGate of Iran-Contra. Daarnaast heeft het contraproductief gewerkt in de strijd tegen terreur en massavernietigingswapens en heeft men mensenlevens geriskeerd. Deze zaak ís erger.quote:Op maandag 24 oktober 2005 23:36 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
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En hier gaat het slechts om het loslippig gedrag van een aantal diecte staf medewerkers (als onderdeel van een groter plan). Met of zonder die CIA agente was die oorlog in Irak er toch gekomen.
Ach... het inzetten van 'Agent Orange' ten tijde van Vietnam (wat in feite puur dioxine was) was ook erg gevaarlijk voor die mensen die het gebruikten/toepasten. Over bewust mensen in gevaar brengen gesproken. En wie hoor je daar nog over ?!?..... het is inmiddels is dat een voetnoot geworden van de oorlog tegen N-Vietnam.quote:Op dinsdag 25 oktober 2005 23:51 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Het is een onderdeel, zoals je inderdaad zegt, van dat grotere plan: het fabriceren van een aanvalsoorlog tegen Irak. Dat is inderdaad erger dat WaterGate of Iran-Contra. Daarnaast heeft het contraproductief gewerkt in de strijd tegen terreur en massavernietigingswapens en heeft men mensenlevens geriskeerd. Deze zaak ís erger.
hear hear of gewoon over de atoom proeven een decennia ervoor met eigen troepen in de loopgraven om te kijken wat er zou gebeuren.quote:Op woensdag 26 oktober 2005 00:25 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
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Ach... het inzetten van 'Agent Orange' ten tijde van Vietnam (wat in feite puur dioxine was) was ook erg gevaarlijk voor die mensen die het gebruikten/toepasten. Over bewust mensen in gevaar brengen gesproken. En wie hoor je daar nog over ?!?..... het is inmiddels is dat een voetnoot geworden van de oorlog tegen N-Vietnam.
Het is gewoon een spel en verder doet het er niet toe alleen voor Cheney en zijn vriendjes en voor mij maakt het niet uit wie of wat het was toch gebeurt. Het is al een jaar of 2000 oud "als het troebel wordt zuiver je het". "if your not with us your against us" en hoe slecht het ook klinkt Cheney kicken is the right thing to do. Al is het maar om muurtje te kunnen bouwen....
Success, recognition, and conformity are the bywords of the modern world where everyone seems to crave the anesthetizing security of being identified with the majority.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963.
Juist dat was beerput no : 913quote:Op woensdag 26 oktober 2005 00:35 schreef Cappy het volgende:
hear hear of gewoon over de atoom proeven een decennia ervoor met eigen troepen in de loopgraven om te kijken wat er zou gebeuren.
Nucleaire proeven op wilsombekwamen (gehandicapten - jaren '50) is ook zo'n leuk voorbeeld.
De vraag is uiteindelijk van wat heeft het gekost en ten bate van wat ?.... en de rekening in Irak loopt nog.
Als ik zo droog mag zijn : geen overwinning in korea en geen overwinning in Vietnam omdat men doorhad wat de uitslag zou kunnen zijn. Of wat wat meer zouden kunnen begrijpen de politieke "Fallout"quote:Op woensdag 26 oktober 2005 00:50 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
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Juist dat was beerput no : 913
Nucleaire proeven op wilsombekwamen (gehandicapten - jaren '50) is ook zo'n leuk voorbeeld.
De vraag is uiteindelijk van wat heeft het gekost en ten bate van wat ?.... en de rekening in Irak loopt nog.
Success, recognition, and conformity are the bywords of the modern world where everyone seems to crave the anesthetizing security of being identified with the majority.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963.
Wel een overwinning tegen het communisme, omdat de wapenwedloop financieel (USSR, China) niet te volgen was. En ZO-Azie is niet onder de voet gelopen werd door het klassieke communistische gedachtengoed (domino effect, Ike Eisenhower). Heel bot gezegd, hebben ze tijd gekocht, zonder een klinkende overwinning.quote:Op woensdag 26 oktober 2005 00:55 schreef Cappy het volgende:
Als ik zo droog mag zijn : geen overwinning in korea en geen overwinning in Vietnam omdat men doorhad wat de uitslag zou kunnen zijn. Of wat wat meer zouden kunnen begrijpen de politieke "Fallout"
Of we die gewonnen tijd (anno - 2005) goed hebben besteed is een open vraag.Omdat China weer lonkt... maar dan vanuit een andere economische strategie gezien.
Geheel mee eensquote:Op woensdag 26 oktober 2005 01:05 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
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Wel een overwinning tegen het communisme, omdat de wapenwedloop financieel (USSR, China) niet te volgen was. En ZO-Azie is niet onder de voet gelopen werd door het klassieke communistische gedachtengoed (domino effect, Ike Eisenhower). Heel bot gezegd, hebben ze tijd gekocht, zonder een klinkende overwinning.
Of we die gewonnen tijd (anno - 2005) goed hebben besteed is een open vraag.Omdat China weer lonkt... maar dan vanuit een andere economische strategie gezien.
Er zijn mensen die zeggen dat bij 2015 ~2020 dat china de Man is. Eerlijk gezegt ben ik er wel een beetje bang van om het zo te benoemen, maar volgens mij gaan we heel erg ver off hier, maar zoals zoveel dingen het hangt samen. Ik kijk niet graag naar Cheney of Bush ik ben meer benieuwd hoe opvolgers de Chinese bedreiging gaan benoemen en behandelen.Korea en Taiwan liggen in het verschiet.in combo met Iraq etc etc wordt dit een uitdaging waarbij US -> Europa ergens klaar voor gaat maken.... and in all fairness I dont want to be present at that time....
Success, recognition, and conformity are the bywords of the modern world where everyone seems to crave the anesthetizing security of being identified with the majority.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963.
En toen kwam dit ook nog eens boven water drijven:
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Report: Cheney withheld info from Senate
WASHINGTON, Oct. 27 (UPI) -- Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff withheld documents from a Senate committee looking into intelligence on Iraq, the National Journal reported.
The documents included drafts of portions of a speech Colin Powell, then secretary of state, gave at the United Nations in February 2003, the newspaper said. The portions were written by I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's chief of staff.
The Senate Intelligence Committee held hearings on the actions of intelligence agencies during the preparation for the 2003 invasion of Iraq but did not investigate questions concerning how the administration used the intelligence to build public support for the war.
The committee also sought information from the president's daily briefing in the period before the invasion. A former senior administration official told the National Journal the decision to withhold the documents was at least partly political.
"Nobody wants something like this dissected or coming out in an election year," the former official said.
The disclosure comes at a time when Libby and President Bush's top political adviser Karl Rove face possible prosecution in connection with the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity.
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Report: Cheney withheld info from Senate
WASHINGTON, Oct. 27 (UPI) -- Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff withheld documents from a Senate committee looking into intelligence on Iraq, the National Journal reported.
The documents included drafts of portions of a speech Colin Powell, then secretary of state, gave at the United Nations in February 2003, the newspaper said. The portions were written by I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's chief of staff.
The Senate Intelligence Committee held hearings on the actions of intelligence agencies during the preparation for the 2003 invasion of Iraq but did not investigate questions concerning how the administration used the intelligence to build public support for the war.
The committee also sought information from the president's daily briefing in the period before the invasion. A former senior administration official told the National Journal the decision to withhold the documents was at least partly political.
"Nobody wants something like this dissected or coming out in an election year," the former official said.
The disclosure comes at a time when Libby and President Bush's top political adviser Karl Rove face possible prosecution in connection with the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Gejat van: [POL SC-744] Every 1's A Winnerquote:he allegation that Zarqawi had visited Baghdad in May 2002 with Saddam's sanction-purportedly for medical treatment-was once a centerpiece of the administration's arguments about Iraq. Secretary of State Colin Powell cited Zarqawi's alleged visit in his speech to the United Nations Security Council. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld referred obliquely to Zarqawi's purported trip as an example of "bulletproof" evidence that the administration had assembled linking Saddam's regime with Al Qaeda.
But like the uranium yellowcake claims-since determined to be fraudulent-that are at the heart of the CIA leak case, the administration's original allegations about Zarqawi's trip also seem to be melting away. An updated CIA re-examination of the issue recently concluded that Saddam's regime may not have given Zarqawi "safe haven" after all.
The CIA declined to comment on the draft report. But officials tell NEWSWEEK that Zarqawi probably did travel to the Iraqi capital in the spring of 2002 for medical treatment. And, of course, there is no question that he is in Iraq now-orchestrating many of the deadly suicide bombings and attacks on American soldiers.
But before the American-led invasion, Saddam's government may never have known he was there. The reason: he used an alias and was there under what one U.S. intelligence official calls a "false cover." No evidence has been found showing senior Iraqi officials were even aware of his presence, according to two counterterrorism analysts familiar with the classified CIA study who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter.
Die het van deze heeft.
Zoals hij ook zei, opmerkelijk!
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It's falling apart, crumbling down, we merken vandaag hoe sterk (of perfide) 't regime in de VS werkelijk is.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Reuters is iets minder optimistisch, wat Rove betreft dan:
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White House braces for likely charges over CIA leak
By Adam Entous
WASHINGTON, Oct 28 (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff and other top White House officials braced for criminal charges on Friday from the federal grand jury investigating the leak of a covert CIA operative's identity.
The grand jury was expected to convene in the morning to consider the first charges in the two-year probe led by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald.
Legal sources involved in the case said Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis Libby, appeared likely to be charged with making false statements to the grand jury.
Fitzgerald has also zeroed in on Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's top political adviser, possibly for perjury. But lawyers involved in the case said Fitzgerald may not be prepared at this time to bring charges against Rove.
The New York Times, citing people briefed officially about the case, said Rove would not be indicted along with Libby on Friday but would remain under investigation.
Despite initial denials, both Rove and Libby spoke to reporters in June and July 2003 about the CIA operative, Valerie Plame.
It was unclear how Fitzgerald would keep the Rove investigation going since the current grand jury is scheduled to expire on Friday.
The Times said Fitzgerald was likely to extend its term. But federal guidelines suggest that Fitzgerald would have to seek a new grand jury because the current one has served the maximum allowable amount of time.
Other current and former administration officials could also face charges on Friday, lawyers said.
Indictments in the case could trigger an immediate shake-up at the White House, already on the defensive over the response to Hurricane Katrina, opposition to the Iraq war and the withdrawal of Bush's nominee for the U.S. Supreme Court, Harriet Miers.
Plame's identity was leaked to the media after her diplomat husband, Joseph Wilson, accused the Bush administration of twisting prewar intelligence to support military action against Iraq. Wilson said it was done deliberately to erode his credibility.
Libby was a key, behind-the-scenes figure in helping build the administration's case for the invasion of Iraq.
In the run-up to Friday's grand jury session, Fitzgerald conferred in secret with his legal team and with attorneys representing some of the potential defendants, including Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin.
WHITE HOUSE ANXIOUS
One lawyer involved in the case said the attorneys made final appeals to Fitzgerald to try to avoid indictment, raising the prospect of last-minute plea agreements.
When asked whether Rove was trying to negotiate Fitzgerald down to a lesser charge, Luskin responded: "False."
White House officials have been anxiously awaiting Fitzgerald's decision since any indicted officials were expected to immediately resign. Bush was then likely to make a public statement.
"He (Rove) is the president's right arm, as we all know. And the president's in a deep hole and it's very hard to climb out of a hole without your right arm," David Gergen, a former aide to presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, told CNN's Larry King.
In a last-minute flurry of interviews, FBI agents canvassed Plame's neighborhood to see if anyone knew about her covert work for the spy agency before her cover was blown in a July 14, 2003, newspaper column by Robert Novak.
Both Libby and Rove have been advised by the prosecutor that they could be indicted, though not necessarily for knowingly revealing Plame's identity.
Legal sources said Rove could instead face perjury charges for initially failing to tell the grand jury he talked to Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper about Plame.
Lawyers said Libby was open to false statement and obstruction charges because of contradictions between his testimony and that of New York Times reporter Judith Miller and other journalists.
According to a recent New York Times report, Libby first learned about Plame in a conversation with Cheney on June 12, 2003. That account appears to be at odds with Libby's testimony to the grand jury that he first learned about the CIA officer from reporters.
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White House braces for likely charges over CIA leak
By Adam Entous
WASHINGTON, Oct 28 (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff and other top White House officials braced for criminal charges on Friday from the federal grand jury investigating the leak of a covert CIA operative's identity.
The grand jury was expected to convene in the morning to consider the first charges in the two-year probe led by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald.
Legal sources involved in the case said Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis Libby, appeared likely to be charged with making false statements to the grand jury.
Fitzgerald has also zeroed in on Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's top political adviser, possibly for perjury. But lawyers involved in the case said Fitzgerald may not be prepared at this time to bring charges against Rove.
The New York Times, citing people briefed officially about the case, said Rove would not be indicted along with Libby on Friday but would remain under investigation.
Despite initial denials, both Rove and Libby spoke to reporters in June and July 2003 about the CIA operative, Valerie Plame.
It was unclear how Fitzgerald would keep the Rove investigation going since the current grand jury is scheduled to expire on Friday.
The Times said Fitzgerald was likely to extend its term. But federal guidelines suggest that Fitzgerald would have to seek a new grand jury because the current one has served the maximum allowable amount of time.
Other current and former administration officials could also face charges on Friday, lawyers said.
Indictments in the case could trigger an immediate shake-up at the White House, already on the defensive over the response to Hurricane Katrina, opposition to the Iraq war and the withdrawal of Bush's nominee for the U.S. Supreme Court, Harriet Miers.
Plame's identity was leaked to the media after her diplomat husband, Joseph Wilson, accused the Bush administration of twisting prewar intelligence to support military action against Iraq. Wilson said it was done deliberately to erode his credibility.
Libby was a key, behind-the-scenes figure in helping build the administration's case for the invasion of Iraq.
In the run-up to Friday's grand jury session, Fitzgerald conferred in secret with his legal team and with attorneys representing some of the potential defendants, including Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin.
WHITE HOUSE ANXIOUS
One lawyer involved in the case said the attorneys made final appeals to Fitzgerald to try to avoid indictment, raising the prospect of last-minute plea agreements.
When asked whether Rove was trying to negotiate Fitzgerald down to a lesser charge, Luskin responded: "False."
White House officials have been anxiously awaiting Fitzgerald's decision since any indicted officials were expected to immediately resign. Bush was then likely to make a public statement.
"He (Rove) is the president's right arm, as we all know. And the president's in a deep hole and it's very hard to climb out of a hole without your right arm," David Gergen, a former aide to presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, told CNN's Larry King.
In a last-minute flurry of interviews, FBI agents canvassed Plame's neighborhood to see if anyone knew about her covert work for the spy agency before her cover was blown in a July 14, 2003, newspaper column by Robert Novak.
Both Libby and Rove have been advised by the prosecutor that they could be indicted, though not necessarily for knowingly revealing Plame's identity.
Legal sources said Rove could instead face perjury charges for initially failing to tell the grand jury he talked to Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper about Plame.
Lawyers said Libby was open to false statement and obstruction charges because of contradictions between his testimony and that of New York Times reporter Judith Miller and other journalists.
According to a recent New York Times report, Libby first learned about Plame in a conversation with Cheney on June 12, 2003. That account appears to be at odds with Libby's testimony to the grand jury that he first learned about the CIA officer from reporters.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Leak probe details to be released at noon ET
Rove indictment not expected but Libby may face perjury charges
NBC News and news services
Updated: 9:24 a.m. ET Oct. 28, 2005
WASHINGTON - Presidential confidant Karl Rove has been told he will not be indicted Friday but remains under investigation in the case over who leaked the name of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, sources close to the inquiry told NBC News.
In addition, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald is expected to release some documents in the case around noon ET and then hold a press conference at the Justice Department at 2 p.m. ET.
The New York Times earlier cited sources as saying that Fitzgerald was likely to extend the grand jury investigating the exposure beyond Friday, when its two-year term expires. Fitzgerald was meeting with the grand jury Friday morning.
The Times also cited lawyers involved in the case as saying they expected Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, would be indicted on charges of making false statements to the grand jury.
Cheney arrived at the White House Friday at 6:25 a.m., more than an hour earlier than usual. Libby was seen leaving home about 6:15 a.m., his normal commuting time.
For now, business as usual
On Thursday, Rove attended the daily meeting of the senior staff and met with the president late in the evening, at the end of a day in which the White House dealt with the withdrawal of Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers. Libby was said to have passed up the staff meeting to attend a security briefing.
Possible charges are obstruction of justice or perjury, along with possible violations of a law barring disclosure of the identity of a covert intelligence agent.
Some lawyers have raised the specter of broader conspiracy charges as well.
When the investigation began two years ago, a White House spokesman checked with Rove and Libby, then assured the public that neither was involved in leaking Plame’s identity.
In the past month, it was revealed that Libby spoke to New York Times reporter Judith Miller, who says their conversations included Plame’s CIA status.
Rove’s legal problems stem in part from the fact that he failed initially to disclose to prosecutors a conversation in which he told Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper that Plame worked for the CIA. The president’s top political adviser says the conversation slipped his mind.
Columnist Robert Novak revealed Plame’s name and her CIA status on July 14, 2003. That was five days after Novak talked to Rove and eight days after Plame’s husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, published an opinion article in the Times accusing the Bush administration of twisting intelligence to exaggerate the threat posed by Iraq.
Wilson and his supporters have charged the leak of Plame’s name, which ended her ability to work undercover for the CIA, was designed to discredit him and punish him for his criticism and intimidate others inside the government critical of Bush’s Iraq policies.
Uranium yellowcake
Also in the backdrop of Fitzgerald’s investigation is a set of forged documents that stated Iraq was acquiring uranium yellowcake from the African nation of Niger. Wilson had been sent by the CIA to Africa to investigate such reports, later used by Bush to help justify the war in Iraq.
On Thursday, the White House disputed an Italian news report relating to those forgeries, which the FBI is continuing to investigate.
The news report and speculation on Internet blogs have said that National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley may have received bogus information three years ago from an Italian intelligence chief about Iraq’s nuclear ambitions.
National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said Hadley met briefly on Sept. 9, 2002, with Nicolo Pollari, the head of Italian military intelligence, but the subject of Iraq’s supposed uranium deal with Niger is not believed to have come up.
The meeting occurred a month before documents, later determined to be forgeries, surfaced in Italy claiming to show Saddam Hussein’s regime had an agreement to buy 500 tons of uranium from Niger. After his trip to Niger, Wilson reported he could not substantiate any uranium sales to Iraq.
The Hadley-Pollari meeting was a courtesy call that lasted fewer than 15 minutes and “no one present has any recollection of yellowcake being discussed or documents being provided,” Jones said.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Source: MSNBC
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Goed, Rove ontspringt de dans voorlopig, Libby valt vermoedelijk, ik ben benieuwd.
We schelen 6 uur, dat betekent om 20:00 CNN aan, de persconferentie is om 2 p.m. ET.
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Hallulama op 28-10-2005 15:54:55 ]
Rove indictment not expected but Libby may face perjury charges
NBC News and news services
Updated: 9:24 a.m. ET Oct. 28, 2005
WASHINGTON - Presidential confidant Karl Rove has been told he will not be indicted Friday but remains under investigation in the case over who leaked the name of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, sources close to the inquiry told NBC News.
In addition, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald is expected to release some documents in the case around noon ET and then hold a press conference at the Justice Department at 2 p.m. ET.
The New York Times earlier cited sources as saying that Fitzgerald was likely to extend the grand jury investigating the exposure beyond Friday, when its two-year term expires. Fitzgerald was meeting with the grand jury Friday morning.
The Times also cited lawyers involved in the case as saying they expected Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, would be indicted on charges of making false statements to the grand jury.
Cheney arrived at the White House Friday at 6:25 a.m., more than an hour earlier than usual. Libby was seen leaving home about 6:15 a.m., his normal commuting time.
For now, business as usual
On Thursday, Rove attended the daily meeting of the senior staff and met with the president late in the evening, at the end of a day in which the White House dealt with the withdrawal of Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers. Libby was said to have passed up the staff meeting to attend a security briefing.
Possible charges are obstruction of justice or perjury, along with possible violations of a law barring disclosure of the identity of a covert intelligence agent.
Some lawyers have raised the specter of broader conspiracy charges as well.
When the investigation began two years ago, a White House spokesman checked with Rove and Libby, then assured the public that neither was involved in leaking Plame’s identity.
In the past month, it was revealed that Libby spoke to New York Times reporter Judith Miller, who says their conversations included Plame’s CIA status.
Rove’s legal problems stem in part from the fact that he failed initially to disclose to prosecutors a conversation in which he told Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper that Plame worked for the CIA. The president’s top political adviser says the conversation slipped his mind.
Columnist Robert Novak revealed Plame’s name and her CIA status on July 14, 2003. That was five days after Novak talked to Rove and eight days after Plame’s husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, published an opinion article in the Times accusing the Bush administration of twisting intelligence to exaggerate the threat posed by Iraq.
Wilson and his supporters have charged the leak of Plame’s name, which ended her ability to work undercover for the CIA, was designed to discredit him and punish him for his criticism and intimidate others inside the government critical of Bush’s Iraq policies.
Uranium yellowcake
Also in the backdrop of Fitzgerald’s investigation is a set of forged documents that stated Iraq was acquiring uranium yellowcake from the African nation of Niger. Wilson had been sent by the CIA to Africa to investigate such reports, later used by Bush to help justify the war in Iraq.
On Thursday, the White House disputed an Italian news report relating to those forgeries, which the FBI is continuing to investigate.
The news report and speculation on Internet blogs have said that National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley may have received bogus information three years ago from an Italian intelligence chief about Iraq’s nuclear ambitions.
National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said Hadley met briefly on Sept. 9, 2002, with Nicolo Pollari, the head of Italian military intelligence, but the subject of Iraq’s supposed uranium deal with Niger is not believed to have come up.
The meeting occurred a month before documents, later determined to be forgeries, surfaced in Italy claiming to show Saddam Hussein’s regime had an agreement to buy 500 tons of uranium from Niger. After his trip to Niger, Wilson reported he could not substantiate any uranium sales to Iraq.
The Hadley-Pollari meeting was a courtesy call that lasted fewer than 15 minutes and “no one present has any recollection of yellowcake being discussed or documents being provided,” Jones said.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Source: MSNBC
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Goed, Rove ontspringt de dans voorlopig, Libby valt vermoedelijk, ik ben benieuwd.
We schelen 6 uur, dat betekent om 20:00 CNN aan, de persconferentie is om 2 p.m. ET.
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Hallulama op 28-10-2005 15:54:55 ]
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Zowat de hele Bush administration valt uit elkaar, maar Bush tiert weer es over 9/11. Die toespraken worden een beetje eentonig.
National terror advisory: CODE RED
These gyus go with a ' big bang ' !!!
Ik hoop uit de grond van mijn hart, dat het een politieke big bang wordt.
Het is al een tijdje bezig overigens, niet de persconferentie, maar de shit before that.
Libby afgetreden, maar wat denkt men hier? Zou Libby dit op eigen houtje hebben geregeld?
Zoiets als:
"Oh jee, die Wilson zegt stoute dingen betreffende de oorlog met Irak, laat ik zijn vrouw haar identiteit maar eens even prijsgeven, als wraak actie."
Nah, I'm definitely not buying that!
Bovendien zegt de scroll op CNN dat Cheney Libby vertelde over Plame haar identiteit, en Cheney zit nog altijd op z'n stoel. De vraag is of Cheney nog meer heeft gezegd behalve wie Plame is, bijvoorbeeld, "doe er iets nuttigs mee", maar misschien ga ik nu te ver.
Dit is hoe dan ook niet het einde van het verhaal.
Libby afgetreden, maar wat denkt men hier? Zou Libby dit op eigen houtje hebben geregeld?
Zoiets als:
"Oh jee, die Wilson zegt stoute dingen betreffende de oorlog met Irak, laat ik zijn vrouw haar identiteit maar eens even prijsgeven, als wraak actie."
Nah, I'm definitely not buying that!
Bovendien zegt de scroll op CNN dat Cheney Libby vertelde over Plame haar identiteit, en Cheney zit nog altijd op z'n stoel. De vraag is of Cheney nog meer heeft gezegd behalve wie Plame is, bijvoorbeeld, "doe er iets nuttigs mee", maar misschien ga ik nu te ver.
Dit is hoe dan ook niet het einde van het verhaal.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Daar is dan ook niets illegaals aan.quote:Op vrijdag 28 oktober 2005 19:22 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Bovendien zegt de scroll op CNN dat Cheney Libby vertelde over Plame's haar identiteit, en Cheney zit nog altijd op z'n stoel.
Als dat alles is niet, maar eerst eens zien hoe Libby zich gaat verweren de komende tijd.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
spannend..
maar dat dat zootje daar niet te vertrouwen is is al wel langer diudelijk.
maar dat dat zootje daar niet te vertrouwen is is al wel langer diudelijk.
"Whatever the mind of man can conceive and believe, it can achieve" Napoleon Hill
Van CNN.com:
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Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, was indicted by federal grand jury Friday on charges related to the investigation into the leak of a CIA operative's name to the media.
Libby was indicted on one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements, court documents show.
- According to an Office of Special Counsel press release, "if convicted, the crimes charged in the indictment carry the following maximum penalties:Obstruction of justice -- 10 years in prison;
- Making false statements and perjury -- each 5 years.
- Each count carries a maximum fine of $250,000."
That means the maximum penalties would be 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines. "The court would determine the appropriate sentence to be imposed," the press release said.
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Er is tot op heden dus nog niemand beschuldigd van het lekken van de identiteit, zou dat wellicht nog komen? Sommige media rapporteren dat 't een lastige kwestie is, om iemand daarvoor veroordeeld te krijgen, maar Fitzgerald zei tijdens de persconferentie dat het lekken nou eenmaal illegaal is omdat haar identiteit geheim was.
Indictment doesn't clear up mystery at heart of CIA leak probe
Reuters schrijft verder:
"Any charges brought by the grand jury could be sealed, preventing an immediate public announcement by the court or the prosecutor."
Dus het blijft inderdaad nog even spannend ja
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Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, was indicted by federal grand jury Friday on charges related to the investigation into the leak of a CIA operative's name to the media.
Libby was indicted on one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements, court documents show.
- According to an Office of Special Counsel press release, "if convicted, the crimes charged in the indictment carry the following maximum penalties:Obstruction of justice -- 10 years in prison;
- Making false statements and perjury -- each 5 years.
- Each count carries a maximum fine of $250,000."
That means the maximum penalties would be 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines. "The court would determine the appropriate sentence to be imposed," the press release said.
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Er is tot op heden dus nog niemand beschuldigd van het lekken van de identiteit, zou dat wellicht nog komen? Sommige media rapporteren dat 't een lastige kwestie is, om iemand daarvoor veroordeeld te krijgen, maar Fitzgerald zei tijdens de persconferentie dat het lekken nou eenmaal illegaal is omdat haar identiteit geheim was.
Indictment doesn't clear up mystery at heart of CIA leak probe
Reuters schrijft verder:
"Any charges brought by the grand jury could be sealed, preventing an immediate public announcement by the court or the prosecutor."
Dus het blijft inderdaad nog even spannend ja
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
En daar hebben we weer een leuke:
But it is very possible that the prosecutor looks up the food chain to Vice President Cheney. These investigations have a way of rising. And according to the terms of the indictment, Cheney told Libby about Valerie Plame and then Libby lied to the grand jury about how he found about it, saying that he got it from a reporter. Well, if that’s the case, the vice president knew that Libby was lying.
And it wasn’t like his grand jury was secret. It was all over the place, you could read it in any newspaper. So my question is, why didn’t the vice president say anything? Why didn’t he speak up? And when you’re out there committing perjury and your boss is silent, and your boss knows that you’re doing that, it’s [the silence is] a subtle signal from your boss to say, “I appreciate it."
http://movies.crooksandli(...)on-Morris-Cheney.wmv
But it is very possible that the prosecutor looks up the food chain to Vice President Cheney. These investigations have a way of rising. And according to the terms of the indictment, Cheney told Libby about Valerie Plame and then Libby lied to the grand jury about how he found about it, saying that he got it from a reporter. Well, if that’s the case, the vice president knew that Libby was lying.
And it wasn’t like his grand jury was secret. It was all over the place, you could read it in any newspaper. So my question is, why didn’t the vice president say anything? Why didn’t he speak up? And when you’re out there committing perjury and your boss is silent, and your boss knows that you’re doing that, it’s [the silence is] a subtle signal from your boss to say, “I appreciate it."
http://movies.crooksandli(...)on-Morris-Cheney.wmv
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Don't get your hopes up just yet.
bron: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/29/leak.probe.ap/index.html
POL: CNN - special: CIA lek
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newsflash:
bron & meer: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/29/leak.probe.ap/index.html
bron: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/29/leak.probe.ap/index.html
POL: CNN - special: CIA lek
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newsflash:
------------quote:WASHINGTON (AP) -- The lawyer for Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide has begun to outline a possible criminal defense that is a tradition in Washington scandals: A busy official immersed in important duties cannot reasonably be expected to remember details of long-ago conversations.
Friday's indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby involves allegations that as Cheney's chief of staff he lied to FBI agents and a federal grand jury.
Libby, who resigned immediately, was operating amid "the hectic rush of issues and events at a busy time for our government," according to a statement released by his attorney, Joseph Tate.
bron & meer: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/29/leak.probe.ap/index.html
quote:Previous defenses varied in success
The lack-of-memory defense has worked with varying degrees of success in controversies from Iran-Contra to Whitewater.
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