Former MI5 Agent Says 9/11 An Inside Job

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Op maandag 4 juli 2005 10:27 schreef Mirage het volgende:

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NILATS, je verpest het topic.
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Were there explosives in 1 & 2 WTC? And what about 7 WTC? To me, it just doesn't make sense. Think about the risks you are taking with 500 million people watching those burning towers on tv. On the other hand, in the weeks before 9/11 we had the following things reported going on at the towers; multiple evacuations, power downs, heavy maintenance work, and disabled security. On 9/11 we had trucks driving around Manhattan rumored to have carried explosives, dozens of people on record stating that they heard explosives (including loads of firemen), people telling they were hurt by explosives (especially in the basement), and even what seems to be quite a bit of visible evidence during the collapses. And that's only part of the story, there is quite a bit more. So no matter how crazy it sounds, I think it's irresponsible to drop this theory at this time. We aren't talking about "can fire alone have done this?". We are talking about at least dozens of anomalous witness testimonies and probably many hundreds or even thousands more. That brings me to the obvious question, "where are these people today?".....

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Firemen Louie Cacchioli:
"I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building."
One of the firemen that entered the lobby of the WTC (interviewed by the Naudet brothers):
"The lobby is about six stories high and the lobby looked as though a bomb had exploded there. All the glass was taken out, there were 10 foot by 10 foot marble panels that were once walls...er...they were loose from the wall of the World Trade Center." (mentioned before)
Another fireman that entered the lobby of the WTC (interviewed by the Naudet brothers):
"I went around by the freight elevator and I could see it was just blown...30th floor, we could hear another explosion." (mentioned before)
In June of 2002 some transcripts of the firemen at the scene were released:
”Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.”
“Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.”
“Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.”
Live transcript:
"We got another explosion on the tower..."
Live transcript:
"I got, uh, an eyewitness who said there was an explosion on floors 7-8, 7-8."
Live transcript:
"We got another explosion on the tower. 10-13, 10-13."
Live transcript:
"Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion."
Live transcript:
"Tower 2 has had a major explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse surrounding the entire area."
Live transcript:
"...Warren Street, because of the secondary explosion. We have numerous people covered with dust because of the secondary explosion..."
Live transcript:
"I was involved in the secondary, uh, explosion at tower 1, Kay..."
Anonymous person on TV. Seems to be a spokesman for the fire department:
"We're trying to get some of the people out. There were some secondary explosions and then the subsequent collapses."
NBC reporter Pat Dawson at the morning of 911:
"...The Chief of Safety of the Fire Department of New York told me that...er...he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building. One of the secondary devices he thinks that took place after the initial impact was, he thinks, may have been on the plane that crashed into one of the towers. The second device, he thinks, he speculates, was probably planted in the building. We are continuing to hear explosions here downtown."
A group of firemen in the documentary ‘911 – the filmmakers’:
Fireman one: "We made it at least two blocks and we started running. Floor by floor it started popping out." Fireman two: (makes sound and hand gestures to show how the floors popped out) "It is if they had detonators..."
Fireman one: "Yeah! detonators..."
Fireman two: "It is if they had planned to take down the building…boom…boom …boom…boom”
Fireman one: "Yeah...detonators...all the way down, I was watching it and running."
Fireman three: "Right, just ran up west."
Fireman one: "And then you saw this cloud of shit chasing you down the road."
Randy Lavello article:
"Before beginning this article, I met Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr. at the World Trade Center Memorial. Paul, along with many other firemen, is very upset about the obvious cover-up and he is on a crusade for answers and justice. He was stationed at Engine 10, across the street from the World Trade Center in 1998 and 99; Engine 10 was entirely wiped out in the destruction of the towers. He explained to me that, “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert [James] Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. “There were definitely bombs in those buildings,” he told me. He explained to me that, if the building had ‘pancaked’ as it’s been called, the falling floors would have met great resistance from the steel support columns, which would have sent debris flying outward into the surrounding blocks. I asked him about the trusses, and quoted the history channel’s ‘don’t trust a truss’ explanation for the collapses. He responded in disbelief, and told me, “You could never build a truss building that high. A slight wind would knock it over! Those buildings were supported by reinforced steel. Building don’t just implode like that; this was a demolition.” (http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lavello_050503_bombs.html - May5, 2003)

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Daar bij komt nog eens dat die knallen na elkaar gewoon de vloeren zijn die op elkaar klappen.

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1 dat boren moet opvallen
2 die draden krijg je niet perfect weg gewerkt

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Op maandag 4 juli 2005 21:29 schreef Merovingian. het volgende:
Wat wel een feit is, is dat er een enorme coverup voor 'iets' aan de gang is geweest.

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"...By this time, however, the room they were working in began to fill with a white smoke. “We smelled kerosene....The two decided to ascend the stairs to the C level, to a small machine shop where Vito Deleo and David Williams were supposed to be working. When the two arrived at the C level, they found the machine shop gone...“There was nothing there but rubble, “Mike said. “We’re talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press – gone!” The two began yelling for their co-workers, but there was no answer...We couldn’t see through the smoke...The two made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too, was gone. “There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you can’t see anything” he said...They decided to ascend two more levels to the building’s lobby. As they ascended to the B Level, one floor above, they were astonished to see a steel and concrete fire door that weighed about 300 pounds, wrinkled up “like a piece of aluminum foil” and lying on the floor. “They got us again,” Mike told his co-worker, referring to the terrorist attack at the center in 1993. Having been through that bombing, Mike recalled seeing similar things happen to the building’s structure. He was convinced a bomb had gone off in the building." (Chief engineer Magazine - http://www.chiefengineer.org/article.cfm?seqnum1=1029)

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"I go downstairs, the foreman tells me to go remove the containers. As I am walking by the main freight corridor building, in the corridor, that's when I got blown. I mean, the impact of the explosion of whatever happened threw me to the floor and that's when everything started happening. It knocked me right to the floor, you didn't know what it was of course. You're assuming something just fell over in the loading dock, something very heavy, something very big. You don't know what happened and all of a sudden you just felt the floor moving and get up and the walls...and then...now I'm hearing that the main freight car, the elevator fell down. I was right near the main freight car, so I'm assuming what that was. Then...you know...you heard that coming towards you. I was racing, I was going towards the bathroom...all of a sudden..I opened up the door...I didn't know it was the bathroom and all of sudden a big impact happening again and all of the ceiling tiles were falling down, the light fixtures were falling down, swinging out of the ceiling. And I come running out the door and everything...the walls were down and now I start running towards the parking lots...I just assumed a car or something exploded on B1 or something big or heavy thing fell over...when the floor is moving underneath you...there was a lot of smoke down there, a lot of people screaming...and were running up the ramps...you gotta go clear across the whole from one to two world trade center... and then, all of a sudden, it happened all over again; building 2 gets hit. And again, I don't know that, I just know that something else hit us to floor. Right in the basement you felt it, walls were caving in, everything that was going on. I mean, I know people that got killed in the basement, I know people who got broken legs in there in the basement, people got surgery, because the walls hit them in the face." (NY1 News - http://ny1.com/pages/RRR/911special_survivors.html )

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"Hours after the hijacked planes flew into the World Trade Center Towers, the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field, an FAA manager at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center gathered six controllers who communicated or tracked two of the hijacked planes and recorded in a one-hour interview their personal accounts of what occurred, the report stated... as is common practice.

According to the report, a second manager at the New York center promised a union official representing the controllers that he would "get rid of" the tape after controllers used it to provide written statements to federal officials about the events of the day.

Instead, the second manager said he destroyed the tape between December 2001 and January 2002 by crushing the tape with his hand, cutting it into small pieces and depositing the pieces into trash cans around the building, the report said...

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Op maandag 4 juli 2005 21:29 schreef Merovingian. het volgende:


Wat wel een feit is, is dat er een enorme coverup voor 'iets' aan de gang is geweest. Alleen mensen die zich niet verdiept hebben in het gebeuren of er van profiteren zullen dat tegenspreken.

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Op maandag 4 juli 2005 23:37 schreef ook_gek het volgende:

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Maar stel het het het WTC expres is opgeblazen. HOE kan je in hemels naam ooit al die explosiefen op de juiste plaats leggen en er voor zorgen dat NIEMAND iets merkt van de plaatsing en dat niemand iets vind. DUIZENDEN mensen werken in het WTC

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Op dinsdag 5 juli 2005 11:18 schreef tong_poh het volgende:
Wat ik gewoon een beetje raar vind is, dat men het ongeloofwaardig acht dat een wolkenkrabber instort doordat een passagiersvliegtuig volgeladen met kerosine met een vaart van 700+km/h erin crashed het wel geloofwaardig vinden, dat er explosieven geplaatst zijn, zodat het gebouw in stort nadat ze geraakt zijn door bovengenoemde vliegtuigen.

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Op dinsdag 5 juli 2005 12:28 schreef YuckFou het volgende:

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Wat ik er vooral zo raar in vind is hoe de gebouwen ingestort zijn, op welke manier en in welk tijdsbestek, en als je je daarin verdiept, vooral met ooggetuigen verslagen en beeldmateriaal dan kom je snel tot de conclusie dat er gerommeld is, hoe en wat is bijna niet te zeggen, maar dat er meer gebeurt is dan het officieele raport weergeeft is voor mij duidlijk

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Op dinsdag 5 juli 2005 12:28 schreef YuckFou het volgende:

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Wat ik er vooral zo raar in vind is hoe de gebouwen ingestort zijn, op welke manier en in welk tijdsbestek, en als je je daarin verdiept, vooral met ooggetuigen verslagen en beeldmateriaal dan kom je snel tot de conclusie dat er gerommeld is, hoe en wat is bijna niet te zeggen, maar dat er meer gebeurt is dan het officieele raport weergeeft is voor mij duidlijk

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Op dinsdag 5 juli 2005 13:51 schreef tong_poh het volgende:

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Ik heb al eerder een link gegeven, waarin een heel onderzoek staat over het WTC gebeuren.

Ik kom tot de conclusie, dat er niet gerommeld is. Wie heeft er gelijk? We zullen er denk ik nooit achterkomen.

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Op dinsdag 5 juli 2005 14:06 schreef UncleScorp het volgende:
We moeten vooruit kijken, wat ze allemaal uitsteken met 911 als achtergrond-excuus.

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Op dinsdag 5 juli 2005 18:13 schreef YuckFou het volgende:

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ik heb alle pdf's binnen samen met het final raport 9-11 ook op PDF dus ik kan me voorlopig even gaan in en bijlezen...maar 't zijn nogal wat pagina's....

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Teresa Veliz was a manager for a software development firm. She was on the 47th floor of the North Tower when American 11 struck. Veliz was able to reach the ground level at about the same time that the South Tower collapsed. Flung to the ground in total darkness, Veliz and a colleague followed another person who happened to have a flashlight. As she narrated later: “The flashlight led us into Borders bookstore, up an escalator, and out to Church Street. The explosions were going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. I was afraid to go down Church Street towards Broadway, but I had to do it. I ended up on Vesey Street. There was another explosion. And another. I didn’t know which way to run.

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There was an explosion—I didn’t think it was an explosion—but the base of the building shook. I felt it shake . . . then when we were outside, the second explosion happened and then there was a series of explosions. . . . We can only wonder at the kind of damage—the kind of human damage—which was caused by those explosions—those series of explosions”
"There was a huge bang and the building physically shook...Seconds later there were two or three similar huge explosions and the building literally shook again.

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Is veel lezen ja. maar ik denk als je de final report globaal doorleest, dat er al veel duidelijk kan worden.

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Op dinsdag 5 juli 2005 20:02 schreef Merovingian. het volgende:

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Dan wordt je geen ene reet duidelijk want het is 1 kant van het verhaal. Je moet op z'n minst een paar honderd origenele nieuwsberichten samenvoegen en dan het rapport lezen. 2 verschillende verhalen.

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Op dinsdag 5 juli 2005 21:56 schreef tong_poh het volgende:

Het enige wat ik zeg is: Doe kennis op over zaken. Relateer dingen uit je eigen leven naar het verhaal. Probeer logisch te blijven in je benadering naar bepaalde zaken. Zorg, dat je de onderzoek op een wetenschappelijke manier aanpakt. Doe het desnoods zoals het geleerd is op de uni of op de hogeschool.

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Op dinsdag 5 juli 2005 21:56 schreef tong_poh het volgende:

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Er wordt veel duidelijk gemaakt. Er wordt heel duidelijk uitgelegd, hoe de schade is ontstaan en hoe het heeft bijgedragen aan het instorten van de WTC torens. Dit is geen 1 kant van het verhaal, maar 200 kanten van het verhaal. Er hebben namelijk 200 onafhankelijke wetenschappers aan het rapport meegewerkt.

Wat betreft, dat over explosies. Er kunnen door vuur en kleinere instortingen in de kapotte lifschacht veel fenomenen voor doen, die veel geluid produceren. Als hier in de buurt alleen al een container van 1 meter laten vallen (op ongeveer 500m afstand), dan is het net alsof een bom ontploft. Ik schrik me altijd de pleuris.

Bij elke willekeurige gebeurtenis, kan ik vreemde dingen er bij bedenken. Dat is de mens eigen. Ik zie het dagelijks mensen vinden complotten leuk en zien ze overal. Dat mag en ik ben zelf ook niet vies van een complot theorie. Maar ik probeer altijd een complot te bewijzen of te weerleggen op basis van plausibele en waarschijnlijke verklaringen.

Ik kan hier nog een uur typen en dan helemaal alles in de puntjes uit te leggen exact wat ik bedoel, maar dan ben ik midden in het verhaal alweer vergeten wat ik aan het begin heb gezegd.

Het enige wat ik zeg is: Doe kennis op over zaken. Relateer dingen uit je eigen leven naar het verhaal. Probeer logisch te blijven in je benadering naar bepaalde zaken. Zorg, dat je de onderzoek op een wetenschappelijke manier aanpakt. Doe het desnoods zoals het geleerd is op de uni of op de hogeschool.

Met name op gebied van kennis schort het op het gebied van 9/11 er hier veel aan. Sommige mensen blaten complete onzin over de vliegtuigen en de luchtverkeersleiding in sommige topics. veel van die dingen ken ik als iemand die in een familie vol luchtvaart enthousiasten zit en zelf ook in de luchtvaart werkt makkelijk ontkrachten. Als men de kennis zou bezitten, zouden ze ook niet meer geloven. Zoals het verhaal, dat het 737's was die de WTC's geraakt zouden. Ik ken echt wel het verschil tussen een 737 en een 767. Die kan ik nog van een paar km van elkaar onderscheiden.