Misdaad
Een forum voor onopgeloste misdaden en macabere zaken uit het verleden.
is dat juist niet iets om je zorgen over te maken?quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 10:22 schreef Majar het volgende:
Een paar Amerikanen denken dat dingen worden achtergehouden om Joran te beschermen. Maar de rechtspraak op Aruba is toch gewoon te vergelijken met die in Nederland
de Amerikanen denken dat hij eraf komt met 20 uur taakstraf, en dat zou nog kunnen ook met ons idiote rechtssysteem.
Als Joran het werkelijk gedaan heeft, moeten ze hem gewoon uitleveren naar Alabama.
Daar weten ze wel raad met dit soort types.
Totaal offtopic maar OMG wat heeft die moeder aanquote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 10:09 schreef halion het volgende:
Joran met pappie the wannabe judge en mammie the teacher:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=686609&postcount=156
schattig hoor
Exact. Het is in de VS gebruikelijk dat de politie 'het volk' op de hoogte houd van het onderzoek.quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 10:22 schreef Majar het volgende:
Die Amerikanen zijn er ook maar druk mee Moet je dat forum zien: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=60
Een paar Amerikanen denken dat dingen worden achtergehouden om Joran te beschermen. Maar de rechtspraak op Aruba is toch gewoon te vergelijken met die in Nederland
Wat ze allemaal aan heeft is duidelijk te zienquote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 11:24 schreef _Boo_ het volgende:
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Totaal offtopic maar OMG wat heeft die moeder aan
Vreselijk off topic maar idd, al is het wel zo dat sommige kleding op foto's meer doorschijnend lijken dan ze irl zijn.quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 11:24 schreef _Boo_ het volgende:
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Totaal offtopic maar OMG wat heeft die moeder aan
Die knul is trouwens echt groot, wat een beer
[i]"you left me standing here, a long long time ago"[/i]
Misschien per ongeluk gewurgd tijdens enorm wilde sex?
Of gestikt onde zijn gewicht.
Of gestikt onde zijn gewicht.
Haters everywhere but I don't really care.
My thoughts exactly.quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 11:24 schreef _Boo_ het volgende:
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Totaal offtopic maar OMG wat heeft die moeder aan
As the officer took her away, she recalled that she asked,
"Why do you push us around?"
And she remembered him saying,
"I don't know, but the law's the law, and you're under arrest."
"Why do you push us around?"
And she remembered him saying,
"I don't know, but the law's the law, and you're under arrest."
quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 11:30 schreef milagro het volgende:
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Vreselijk off topic maar idd, al is het wel zo dat sommige kleding op foto's meer doorschijnend lijken dan ze irl zijn.
Laten we hopen dat dat het is ja
Inderdaad, hij zit net een halve centimeter onder het plafond. Zelfs die vader haalt het bij lange na niet.quote:Die knul is trouwens echt groot, wat een beer
quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 11:24 schreef _Boo_ het volgende:
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Totaal offtopic maar OMG wat heeft die moeder aan
hij is 6 ft. 5" oftewel 1.96 meter lang.quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 11:30 schreef milagro het volgende:
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Die knul is trouwens echt groot, wat een beer
Maar Heiden, is het daar na 2 uur 's nachts ook nog rete druk ?
Zal wel, het is een toeristen oord.
Als die broers claimen dat ze Joran alleen gelaten hebben met haar, hoe zou hij dan haar lichaam, aannemende dat etc, verborgen moeten hebben, zodanig dat ze haar niet kunnen vinden?
Hij had geen auto meer ,want die was van die broers toch? Dus heeft hij ergens achter die hotels, waar het stil is, met een lijk lopen sjouwen en het naar een plek weten te slepen waar tot nu toe niemand het heeft kunnen vinden of gedacht heeft te zoeken?
Lijkt mij dat er iig een auto gebruikt is, dan of niet?
Het is een grote gozer en dus ws wel in staat een lichaam te dragen, maar toch, allemaal toeristen vlak in de buurt, hoe wou je een en ander voor elkaar krijgen zonder gezien te worden en zonder auto?
Zal wel, het is een toeristen oord.
Als die broers claimen dat ze Joran alleen gelaten hebben met haar, hoe zou hij dan haar lichaam, aannemende dat etc, verborgen moeten hebben, zodanig dat ze haar niet kunnen vinden?
Hij had geen auto meer ,want die was van die broers toch? Dus heeft hij ergens achter die hotels, waar het stil is, met een lijk lopen sjouwen en het naar een plek weten te slepen waar tot nu toe niemand het heeft kunnen vinden of gedacht heeft te zoeken?
Lijkt mij dat er iig een auto gebruikt is, dan of niet?
Het is een grote gozer en dus ws wel in staat een lichaam te dragen, maar toch, allemaal toeristen vlak in de buurt, hoe wou je een en ander voor elkaar krijgen zonder gezien te worden en zonder auto?
[i]"you left me standing here, a long long time ago"[/i]
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html
Pappie bemoeit zich er ook es mee ...quote:Also on Wednesday, the father of one of the three young men held in custody planned to file a motion allowing him to see his son.
Aruban authorities denied the father of Joran Van Der Sloot (search), a 17-year-old Dutch boy, access to his son because he is a judge.
"When you're a minor you have a right to visitation from your parents. But because of legal concerns, because the father is part of the legal system, that right was not granted in the first instance," said government spokesman Rueben Trappenberg. Another judge will decide if the boy's father can visit him after the motion is filed.
Terecht lijkt me.quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 19:19 schreef Roel_Jewel het volgende:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html
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Pappie bemoeit zich er ook es mee ...
Ik vind het niet terecht, wel begrijpelijk.quote:
Sowieso is het schandalig hoe lang deze jongens worden vastgehouden zonder ook maar enige concrete verdenking, of überhaupt bewijs van een misdrijf.
As the officer took her away, she recalled that she asked,
"Why do you push us around?"
And she remembered him saying,
"I don't know, but the law's the law, and you're under arrest."
"Why do you push us around?"
And she remembered him saying,
"I don't know, but the law's the law, and you're under arrest."
hmm duidelijke verklaring, niets mis mee dacht ik zo.quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 10:20 schreef halion het volgende:
interview met een van de security guards, volgens de kijkers kijkt hij naar beneden als hem iets gevraagd wordt. kan iemand dit bevestigen? kan momenteel geen video bekijken:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player05.html?061405/usw_aruba_john_061405&FNL&Caribbean%20Mystery&acc&U
Tegenstrijdige verklaringen afleggen is niet voldoende, bedoel je?quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 19:45 schreef heiden6 het volgende:
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Ik vind het niet terecht, wel begrijpelijk.
Sowieso is het schandalig hoe lang deze jongens worden vastgehouden zonder ook maar enige concrete verdenking, of überhaupt bewijs van een misdrijf.
In principe hadden ze al lang vrijgelaten moeten zijn, en dan zou dat niet gebeurt zijn. Nu ze eenmaal die verklaringen zo door elkaar heen gooien kun je dat op zich wel gebruiken om ze vast te houden.Echter, het is nu al een bijna drie weken geleden dat dat meisje is verdwenen en er is werkelijk nog helemaal niets bekend.quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 19:46 schreef Roel_Jewel het volgende:
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Tegenstrijdige verklaringen afleggen is niet voldoende, bedoel je?
As the officer took her away, she recalled that she asked,
"Why do you push us around?"
And she remembered him saying,
"I don't know, but the law's the law, and you're under arrest."
"Why do you push us around?"
And she remembered him saying,
"I don't know, but the law's the law, and you're under arrest."
ze zijn eerder ondervraagd en laten gaan, toen bleek blijkbaar hun verhaal niet helemaal te kloppen en zijn ze weer opgepakt, tenminste zo begrijp ik het.quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 19:54 schreef heiden6 het volgende:
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In principe hadden ze al lang vrijgelaten moeten zijn, en dan zou dat niet gebeurt zijn. Nu ze eenmaal die verklaringen zo door elkaar heen gooien kun je dat op zich wel gebruiken om ze vast te houden.Echter, het is nu al een bijna drie weken geleden dat dat meisje is verdwenen en er is werkelijk nog helemaal niets bekend.
als ze dan vervolgens opnieuw tegenstrijdige verhalen opsteken en/of hun verhaal compleet veranderen, en ze bovendien natuurlijk de laatste zijn met wie het meisje gezien is, lijkt het me niet raar dat ze vast zitten.
het meisje is drie weken vermist, die knullen zitten niet drie weken al vast.
eerder zijn er 2 anderen onterecht vastgehouden omdat deze 3 knullen dus beweerden dat deze heren haar opgevangen hadden nadat ze bij hen uit de auto is gestapt.
[i]"you left me standing here, a long long time ago"[/i]
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Authorities on Wednesday began searching the home of Joran Van Der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old son of a Dutch official who was one of the last known people to see a missing Alabama girl alive.
The search comes as sources told FOX News that authorities had Van Der Sloot and two other men under surveillance following their initial release from police custody after Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance. The three were later detained a second time and remain in custody.
Also, sources said that authorities are looking into the possibility that some kind of a so-called "date rape" drug was used on Holloway. Police intend to question some of Van Der Sloot's friends to see if they have any information about this, sources told FOX News.
House Searched
Two police officers walked through the Van Der Sloot family's one-story, yellow-beige home, while others guarded the entranceway. A blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep were also towed from the property
Officers on the scene would not comment, and police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said he had no information.
Van Der Sloot is an honors student at Aruba International School and the son of a wealthy judge on the Dutch Caribbean island. He and two older friends have admitted leaving a club with Natalee Holloway (search) on the night she vanished, but their accounts of what happened later differ.
Van Der Sloot engaged in romantic activity with the 18-year-old after a night of drinking and dancing, according to his friends, who are also in police custody. A lawyer for the boy denies he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.
Van Der Sloot's father planned to file a motion allowing him to see his son. Aruban authorities had denied visitation because of the father's status.
"When you're a minor you have a right to visitation from your parents. But because of legal concerns, because the father is part of the legal system, that right was not granted in the first instance," said Aruba government spokesman Rueben Trappenberg. Another judge will decide if the boy's father can visit him after the motion is filed.
Hope of finding Holloway alive was dwindling as Aruban police once again came up empty-handed after searching a swampy beachfront near the location where a female's underwear, used condoms and condom wrappers were found.
FBI (search) agents and officers from the Miami-Dade police department brought two bloodhounds to help search an area of tropical vegetation next to the Marriott Hotel on Tuesday as firefighters pumped water from the site. At nightfall, more than two weeks after the Alabama teen disappeared, they gave up the search of that area.
"We didn't find anything," police spokesman Comemencia told The Associated Press. He declined to say where investigators might look next.
Frustration Mounts for Holloway's Family
Meanwhile, Holloway's family expressed frustration at yet another fruitless search.
"Here we go again. It turns out nothing. This is getting extremely difficult. We just want answers, we just want Natalee to come home," said Marcia Twitty, the girl's aunt.
"You so wonder why they can't find answers. The island is not that big. You have some people who might have answers. You sometimes wonder why we're not getting anywhere. It does get frustrating," she said.
Trappenberg said it was "difficult to say" how the pressure on the island paradise to solve what many now fear is a crime has affected the investigation.
Holloway's mother has been vocal about her belief that Van Der Sloot and his two friends, who are also in custody, know what happened to her daughter.
Beth Holloway Twitty has been on the island since shortly after her daughter was reported missing.
When asked if the slow pace of developments was leading her to lose hope, Paul Reynolds, Natalee's uncle, said of his sister: "That's not something she is considering at this point. She is determined to find her daughter."
Marcia Twitty acknowledged that the odds her niece would be found alive and well grew slimmer with each passing day.
"Every day it just gets tougher and tougher and tougher. You can imagine, where she [Holloway Twitty] is right now. She breaks a lot. She has really bad days," she said.
'It's Changed Everything'
Charles Rafini, the Aruban teen who says he found the underwear and condoms in the brush, as well as duct tape and a string cut from a bikini or halter top, at a location commonly known to locals as a make-out spot, described the underwear he found as pink with flowers on them. He told FOX News on Wednesday that the location of the findings "is not too far" from the Marriott hotel.
When Rafini hand-carried the articles to police, he said, "they told me, 'nice job' ... and they will go figure out what's going on."
When asked how the island nation — heavily dependent on the tourism industry for its livelihood — is different since Holloway's disappearance, which has gained international attention, Rafini said: "It's changed everything. Aruba is doing worse."
But FOX News has learned that the intense search in the area was also prompted by information from one of the three suspects. Tuesday's search was the second for that area.
An FBI spokeswoman also confirmed that Aruban officials have not requested more evidence processing at the bureau's lab in Quantico, Va. However, FBI agents are being included in police briefings, and one agent is being allowed to observe interviews with the suspects through a live video feed or through glass.
Arubans have displayed an eagerness to dispel the shadow cast over their home and help out with the investigation. Reporters from Aruban radio station Top 95 launched their own search before police arrived at the Marriott, and said they found a pair of torn pink-and-white polka dot panties and three condoms, two of them used.
One of the journalists, Albert Vrolijk, said they also found some duct tape wrapped around a tree. The reporters handed their findings over to police, who refused to comment.
Tourism Authority Managing Director Myrna Jansen-Feliciano said "the whole beach area is a place where couples go."
"It could be anybody's" panties and condoms, she said.
No Charges Yet in Case
The latest search came after a former hotel security guard who was released from custody Monday told reporters that he spoke with one of the three youths being held in connection with Holloway's disappearance while he was detained in an adjacent jail cell.
Antonius "Mickey" John said 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe, of Suriname, told him that he, his younger brother and Van Der Sloot lied about returning the 18-year-old teenager to the Holiday Inn on the morning of May 30, the day Holloway disappeared on this Dutch Caribbean island.
Instead, Kalpoe said, they dropped Van Der Sloot and Holloway off near the Marriott, about 10 blocks north of the Holiday Inn, John said. The area searched Tuesday, Malmok beach (search), is next to the Marriott's Palm Beach, and is a popular spot for nighttime lovers.
Kalpoe also allegedly told John that about an hour after dropping the couple off he received a cell phone text message from Van Der Sloot, saying he would e-mail Kalpoe as soon as he got home. Kalpoe said Van Der Sloot never sent the promised message, John said.
Holloway vanished hours before she was expected at the airport to return home after a vacation with 124 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating their high school graduation in Mountain Brook, Alabama. Her U.S. passport and packed bags were found in her room.
The two Surinamese brothers had told police that Van Der Sloot and Holloway were kissing in the back seat of a car, and that when they dropped her off about 2 a.m., they saw a black security guard in a black security jacket approaching her.
John swore he was never in the area at that time of the night and said that Kalpoe apologized to him in jail. "He told me, 'Sorry,' and told the police I should be free."
Attorney General Caren Janssen declined comment on John's statements.
No one has been charged in the case, and lawyers for the three youths still in custody and the two freed men all say their clients are innocent. Lawyers for the three young men did not return messages seeking comment Tuesday.
A couple of Holloway's family members arrived on the scene Tuesday afternoon as police cordoned off several streets in front of the Marriott and investigators descended upon the swampy terrain next door.
Asked why police searched the area, Comemencia replied, "We got some information we needed to check." He would not say if authorities were acting on what John said. He also declined to comment on whether any of the three young men still in custody had changed their versions of what happened the night the teen disappeared.
There is a small pond, perhaps four to six feet deep, in the underbrush that was being searched. A large fire truck pumper truck was parked on the road. Earlier, what appeared to be a generator was dropped off by a flatbed truck. Reporters said they saw the pond being slowly drained.
The release from jail of John and another former hotel security guard, Abraham Jones, 28, came after Holloway's mother told The Associated Press on Sunday that she believed they were innocent but that the three other youths knew what happened to her daughter.
FOX News' Jonathan Serrie and Catherine Herridge and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
The search comes as sources told FOX News that authorities had Van Der Sloot and two other men under surveillance following their initial release from police custody after Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance. The three were later detained a second time and remain in custody.
Also, sources said that authorities are looking into the possibility that some kind of a so-called "date rape" drug was used on Holloway. Police intend to question some of Van Der Sloot's friends to see if they have any information about this, sources told FOX News.
House Searched
Two police officers walked through the Van Der Sloot family's one-story, yellow-beige home, while others guarded the entranceway. A blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep were also towed from the property
Officers on the scene would not comment, and police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said he had no information.
Van Der Sloot is an honors student at Aruba International School and the son of a wealthy judge on the Dutch Caribbean island. He and two older friends have admitted leaving a club with Natalee Holloway (search) on the night she vanished, but their accounts of what happened later differ.
Van Der Sloot engaged in romantic activity with the 18-year-old after a night of drinking and dancing, according to his friends, who are also in police custody. A lawyer for the boy denies he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.
Van Der Sloot's father planned to file a motion allowing him to see his son. Aruban authorities had denied visitation because of the father's status.
"When you're a minor you have a right to visitation from your parents. But because of legal concerns, because the father is part of the legal system, that right was not granted in the first instance," said Aruba government spokesman Rueben Trappenberg. Another judge will decide if the boy's father can visit him after the motion is filed.
Hope of finding Holloway alive was dwindling as Aruban police once again came up empty-handed after searching a swampy beachfront near the location where a female's underwear, used condoms and condom wrappers were found.
FBI (search) agents and officers from the Miami-Dade police department brought two bloodhounds to help search an area of tropical vegetation next to the Marriott Hotel on Tuesday as firefighters pumped water from the site. At nightfall, more than two weeks after the Alabama teen disappeared, they gave up the search of that area.
"We didn't find anything," police spokesman Comemencia told The Associated Press. He declined to say where investigators might look next.
Frustration Mounts for Holloway's Family
Meanwhile, Holloway's family expressed frustration at yet another fruitless search.
"Here we go again. It turns out nothing. This is getting extremely difficult. We just want answers, we just want Natalee to come home," said Marcia Twitty, the girl's aunt.
"You so wonder why they can't find answers. The island is not that big. You have some people who might have answers. You sometimes wonder why we're not getting anywhere. It does get frustrating," she said.
Trappenberg said it was "difficult to say" how the pressure on the island paradise to solve what many now fear is a crime has affected the investigation.
Holloway's mother has been vocal about her belief that Van Der Sloot and his two friends, who are also in custody, know what happened to her daughter.
Beth Holloway Twitty has been on the island since shortly after her daughter was reported missing.
When asked if the slow pace of developments was leading her to lose hope, Paul Reynolds, Natalee's uncle, said of his sister: "That's not something she is considering at this point. She is determined to find her daughter."
Marcia Twitty acknowledged that the odds her niece would be found alive and well grew slimmer with each passing day.
"Every day it just gets tougher and tougher and tougher. You can imagine, where she [Holloway Twitty] is right now. She breaks a lot. She has really bad days," she said.
'It's Changed Everything'
Charles Rafini, the Aruban teen who says he found the underwear and condoms in the brush, as well as duct tape and a string cut from a bikini or halter top, at a location commonly known to locals as a make-out spot, described the underwear he found as pink with flowers on them. He told FOX News on Wednesday that the location of the findings "is not too far" from the Marriott hotel.
When Rafini hand-carried the articles to police, he said, "they told me, 'nice job' ... and they will go figure out what's going on."
When asked how the island nation — heavily dependent on the tourism industry for its livelihood — is different since Holloway's disappearance, which has gained international attention, Rafini said: "It's changed everything. Aruba is doing worse."
But FOX News has learned that the intense search in the area was also prompted by information from one of the three suspects. Tuesday's search was the second for that area.
An FBI spokeswoman also confirmed that Aruban officials have not requested more evidence processing at the bureau's lab in Quantico, Va. However, FBI agents are being included in police briefings, and one agent is being allowed to observe interviews with the suspects through a live video feed or through glass.
Arubans have displayed an eagerness to dispel the shadow cast over their home and help out with the investigation. Reporters from Aruban radio station Top 95 launched their own search before police arrived at the Marriott, and said they found a pair of torn pink-and-white polka dot panties and three condoms, two of them used.
One of the journalists, Albert Vrolijk, said they also found some duct tape wrapped around a tree. The reporters handed their findings over to police, who refused to comment.
Tourism Authority Managing Director Myrna Jansen-Feliciano said "the whole beach area is a place where couples go."
"It could be anybody's" panties and condoms, she said.
No Charges Yet in Case
The latest search came after a former hotel security guard who was released from custody Monday told reporters that he spoke with one of the three youths being held in connection with Holloway's disappearance while he was detained in an adjacent jail cell.
Antonius "Mickey" John said 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe, of Suriname, told him that he, his younger brother and Van Der Sloot lied about returning the 18-year-old teenager to the Holiday Inn on the morning of May 30, the day Holloway disappeared on this Dutch Caribbean island.
Instead, Kalpoe said, they dropped Van Der Sloot and Holloway off near the Marriott, about 10 blocks north of the Holiday Inn, John said. The area searched Tuesday, Malmok beach (search), is next to the Marriott's Palm Beach, and is a popular spot for nighttime lovers.
Kalpoe also allegedly told John that about an hour after dropping the couple off he received a cell phone text message from Van Der Sloot, saying he would e-mail Kalpoe as soon as he got home. Kalpoe said Van Der Sloot never sent the promised message, John said.
Holloway vanished hours before she was expected at the airport to return home after a vacation with 124 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating their high school graduation in Mountain Brook, Alabama. Her U.S. passport and packed bags were found in her room.
The two Surinamese brothers had told police that Van Der Sloot and Holloway were kissing in the back seat of a car, and that when they dropped her off about 2 a.m., they saw a black security guard in a black security jacket approaching her.
John swore he was never in the area at that time of the night and said that Kalpoe apologized to him in jail. "He told me, 'Sorry,' and told the police I should be free."
Attorney General Caren Janssen declined comment on John's statements.
No one has been charged in the case, and lawyers for the three youths still in custody and the two freed men all say their clients are innocent. Lawyers for the three young men did not return messages seeking comment Tuesday.
A couple of Holloway's family members arrived on the scene Tuesday afternoon as police cordoned off several streets in front of the Marriott and investigators descended upon the swampy terrain next door.
Asked why police searched the area, Comemencia replied, "We got some information we needed to check." He would not say if authorities were acting on what John said. He also declined to comment on whether any of the three young men still in custody had changed their versions of what happened the night the teen disappeared.
There is a small pond, perhaps four to six feet deep, in the underbrush that was being searched. A large fire truck pumper truck was parked on the road. Earlier, what appeared to be a generator was dropped off by a flatbed truck. Reporters said they saw the pond being slowly drained.
The release from jail of John and another former hotel security guard, Abraham Jones, 28, came after Holloway's mother told The Associated Press on Sunday that she believed they were innocent but that the three other youths knew what happened to her daughter.
FOX News' Jonathan Serrie and Catherine Herridge and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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http://www.volunteertv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3479243 :
quote:Critics say news coverage of missing people focuses on attractive whites
It's not just the Natalee Holloway story.
Some journalism watchdogs are criticizing news coverage of missing-persons cases. They say the newspaper and broadcast reports seem to be mostly about white girls and women -- most of them upper-middle-class and attractive.
In fact, most of the missing adults who are tracked by the F-B-I are men -- and more than one-in-five of the people abducted or kidnapped are black.
T-V executives are defending the coverage. They say stories such as the disappearance of the 18-year-old Alabama high school student in Aruba would be newsworthy no matter what her background was -- and that race and ethnicity don't play a role.
Still, the head of the Project for Excellence in Journalism, Tom Rosenstiel, puts it this way: "Blond white chicks who go missing get covered, and poor, black, Hispanic or other people of color who go missing do not get covered."
And the head of a group that tries to encourage diversity in news coverage says Americans aren't getting "an accurate portrayal of the world around them."
zo zie je dat er nog veel racisme in Amerika aanwezig is. ook in de media.quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 23:05 schreef Roel_Jewel het volgende:
http://www.volunteertv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3479243 :
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Volgens Fox nieuws hebben ze haar lichaam gevonden????
http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-is-dead/
(zie video)
http://www.thepoliticalteen.com/video/natdead.wmv
Terwijl andere sites www.scaredmonkeys.com, www.riehlworldview.com en www.newscenter.ninn.org het weer tegenspreken???
http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-is-dead/
(zie video)
http://www.thepoliticalteen.com/video/natdead.wmv
Terwijl andere sites www.scaredmonkeys.com, www.riehlworldview.com en www.newscenter.ninn.org het weer tegenspreken???
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Die eerste sites zijn een paar dagen oud. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html is het meest recente bericht van FOX.quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 23:38 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
Volgens Fox nieuws hebben ze haar lichaam gevonden????
http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-is-dead/
(zie video)
http://www.thepoliticalteen.com/video/natdead.wmv
Terwijl andere sites www.scaredmonkeys.com, www.riehlworldview.com en www.newscenter.ninn.org het weer tegenspreken???
Kan ze niet met haar dronken hoofd de zee in zijn gelopen? Of missechien gingen ze samen naaktzwemmen, en is ze toen verdwenen?
racisme is overal, ook bij mensen met een kleurtje.quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 23:14 schreef SlimShady het volgende:
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zo zie je dat er nog veel racisme in Amerika aanwezig is. ook in de media.
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Kan. Maar waar is haar lichaam?quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 23:43 schreef oheng het volgende:
Kan ze niet met haar dronken hoofd de zee in zijn gelopen? Of missechien gingen ze samen naaktzwemmen, en is ze toen verdwenen?
Of is ze toch ontvoerd richting Venezuela?
okay, gelul dus... zit sinds gisteren het nieuws over NH te kijken en zag ineens dit. Maar indien dit niet zo is wat een belachelijke nieuwszender is de Fox dan toch!quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 23:42 schreef Roel_Jewel het volgende:
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Die eerste sites zijn een paar dagen oud.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 23:42 schreef Roel_Jewel het volgende:
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Die eerste sites zijn een paar dagen oud. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html is het meest recente bericht van FOX.
Hm..quote:Meanwhile, FOX News has learned that authorities may have intentionally let Van Der Sloot and two other men go after initial police questioning so they could be placed under surveillance. Sources told FOX News that Aruban authorities tapped the cell phones of Van Der Sloot and his two friends, Surinamese brothers Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Deepak Kalpoe, 21
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Zelfde idee als bij die Richard H, (de kerel die z'n vrouw en jongere kinderen doodschoot...)quote:
de taktiek bedoel je, idd.quote:Op donderdag 16 juni 2005 00:06 schreef Roel_Jewel het volgende:
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Zelfde idee als bij die Richard H, (de kerel die z'n vrouw en jongere kinderen doodschoot...)
Die Joran woont in an attached appartment (aan het huis van zijn ouders), kan dus komen en gaan feitelijk zonder dat Pa en Ma weten/horen hoe of wat.
Als zij er niets mee te maken hebben, Yoran en die ander 2, waarom dan dat liegen
Ik kan me voorstellen dat je in de eerste paniek bepaalde dingen niet durft te vertellen, maar een lulverhaal ophangen over 2 onschuldige kerels die dat meisje opgevangen zouden hebben, en dan zolang volhouden.
Als het "gewoon" een ongeluk was, ze is van die toren gedonderd en verdronken of zo, dan wil je dat op een gegeven moment toch kwijt , dat verhaal?
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Een vriend van me zat deze week nog te vertellen dat 'ie laatst in de stad aangesproken werd door een of andere zwerver, en dat hij schrok omdat het een zwarte betrof. En dat terwijl 'ie zelf zwart is.quote:Op woensdag 15 juni 2005 23:45 schreef milagro het volgende:
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racisme is overal, ook bij mensen met een kleurtje.
As the officer took her away, she recalled that she asked,
"Why do you push us around?"
And she remembered him saying,
"I don't know, but the law's the law, and you're under arrest."
"Why do you push us around?"
And she remembered him saying,
"I don't know, but the law's the law, and you're under arrest."
Mijn vriend is een Antilliaan (en een negert dus) , ziet hij een sister met kapsones, zegt-ie "ze denkt zeker dat ze een blanke is of zo, ze moet haar plek weten "quote:Op donderdag 16 juni 2005 00:17 schreef heiden6 het volgende:
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Een vriend van me zat deze week nog te vertellen dat 'ie laatst in de stad aangesproken werd door een of andere zwerver, en dat hij schrok omdat het een zwarte betrof. En dat terwijl 'ie zelf zwart is.
Hindoestanen noemt ie coeli's...
Ik zeg 'ben blij dat het uit jouw mond komt en niet de mijne "
Ik heb in de Dominicaanse Republiek iig gemerkt dat de 'lichter'' getinte mensen de hoogste status hebben, hoe zwarter je bent, hoe lager je status.
Een 'lichtbruine bro' is okayerder dan een donkere ... rare jongens
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Volgens de laatste berichten daar (maandag) heeft Natalee een OD gehad van het een of ander.
Het hele eiland is in de ban van deze vermissing, overal waren Yellow Ribbons omheen gebonden, overal foto's van Natalee en veel winkels gesloten omdat het personeel (alsmede vele toeristen) zich aan het inzetten waren voor het speuren naar het meisje.
Ze is voor het laatst gezien bij Carlos en Charlies (echt vreselijke tent wmb) daar gieten ze toeristen (meestal cruiseboot-volk) via een soort gieter vol met Tequila, het lijkt me niet dat ze die tent nuchter heeft verlaten, ik vraag me trouwens wel af waar haar mede-studenten danwel begeleiders van de studenten waren toen Natalee vermoedelijk flink dronken midden in de nacht alleen die tent verliet. (daar is niks over gemeld, aldaar tenminste)., betreffende restaurant/bar is bepaald niet op loop afstand van het hotel waar ze verbleef.
Het hele eiland is in de ban van deze vermissing, overal waren Yellow Ribbons omheen gebonden, overal foto's van Natalee en veel winkels gesloten omdat het personeel (alsmede vele toeristen) zich aan het inzetten waren voor het speuren naar het meisje.
Ze is voor het laatst gezien bij Carlos en Charlies (echt vreselijke tent wmb) daar gieten ze toeristen (meestal cruiseboot-volk) via een soort gieter vol met Tequila, het lijkt me niet dat ze die tent nuchter heeft verlaten, ik vraag me trouwens wel af waar haar mede-studenten danwel begeleiders van de studenten waren toen Natalee vermoedelijk flink dronken midden in de nacht alleen die tent verliet. (daar is niks over gemeld, aldaar tenminste)., betreffende restaurant/bar is bepaald niet op loop afstand van het hotel waar ze verbleef.
Vanwaar komen wij dan, dat wij ergens heen willen?
volgens mij was het geen begeleidde schooltrip
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Rewimo
Nederduitse/Mevrouw qltel
Jawel, er waren ouders mee als begeleiders.
Most people don't listen with the intention to understand, they listen with the intention to reply.
<a href="http://bijenzonderzorgen.nl/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://bijenzonderzorgen.nl/</a> beslist geen BIJ-zaak!
<a href="http://bijenzonderzorgen.nl/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://bijenzonderzorgen.nl/</a> beslist geen BIJ-zaak!
Oh, dat kan.quote:Op donderdag 16 juni 2005 08:10 schreef Rewimo het volgende:
Jawel, er waren ouders mee als begeleiders.
Ik las ergens dat het een misverstand was op veel sites/media dat het een schooltrip betrof.
edit Natalee Holloway vanished hours before she was expected at the airport following a five-day trip to the Dutch Caribbean island with 124 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham, Ala. Her U.S. passport and packed bags were found in her hotel room.
Nou, 7 chaperones op 124 jongeren houdt niet echt over natuurlijk
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quote:Ouders moordverdachte Aruba mogen zoon niet zien
AMSTERDAM - De ouders van de 17-jarige Joran van der S. hebben een bezwaarschrift ingediend bij het Hof van Justitie op Aruba omdat zij hun zoon niet mogen zien. Dat liet een woordvoerster van het Openbaar Ministerie woensdag weten.
Joran is een van de drie verdachten die vastzitten vanwege de verdwijning van de 18-jarige Amerikaanse scholiere Natalee Holloway. Zij wordt sinds 30 mei vermist.
Of alleen zijn vader hem niet mag zien, of ook zijn moeder niet, is onduidelijk. De vader is een Nederlandse rechter die al jaren op het eiland woont en werkt. Normaal gesproken mogen minderjarige verdachten de eerste tien dagen gewoon bezoek ontvangen, als het Openbaar Ministerie geen beperkingen heeft opgelegd.
De uitspraak van de zaak is donderdag.
Er speelden woensdag ook nog twee andere zaken die te maken hebben met de vermissing van Holloway. Twee advocaten zijn in beroep gegaan tegen de beslissing van de officier van justitie om hen bepaalde processtukken niet te laten inzien. Donderdag beslist de rechter-commissaris of dat besluit terecht was.
Verder heeft de politie opnieuw onderzoek gedaan in het huis van de familie Van der S. Volgens een woordvoerder is de slaapkamer van Joran doorzocht. Twee auto's zijn inbeslaggenomen.
"Socialism only works in two places: Heaven, where they don't need it and Hell, where they already have it." - Ronald Reagan
De reis was niet verbonden aan de school, ze hadden al examen gedaan en hebben zelf de reis georganiseerd. Die chaperones die erbij waren, waren alleen voor noodgevallen en dat was bij alle ouders bekend.quote:Op donderdag 16 juni 2005 08:14 schreef milagro het volgende:
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Oh, dat kan.
Ik las ergens dat het een misverstand was op veel sites/media dat het een schooltrip betrof.
edit Natalee Holloway vanished hours before she was expected at the airport following a five-day trip to the Dutch Caribbean island with 124 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham, Ala. Her U.S. passport and packed bags were found in her hotel room.
Nou, 7 chaperones op 124 jongeren houdt niet echt over natuurlijk
