De anti-moslim hetze...

het is begonnen met 9/11 zegge ze telkens.. maar het is er altijd al geweest alleen er was niet iets groots om ze op aan te spreken... nu wel

maar hey maakt niet uit morgen kapen wij samen een vliegtuigje dan vliegen we op het paleis op de dam op de naam van welk geloof jij wilt.. dan staat iedereen een beetje quit..

volgens mij bestaat dat niet eens terrorisme, is allemaal een groot verhaal en schepsel van amerika.. die mense worde allemaal betaald om voor terrorist te spelen.. bush gaat dat zogenaamd bestrijden moet doet hele andere dinge.. het is iets undercoders.j

en inderdaad er zijn zeer veel onwetende over de islam die toch hun oordeel hebben.
wat je niet kent vrees je zal ik maar zegge,

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 14:23 schreef tjarie het volgende:
volgens mij bestaat dat niet eens terrorisme, is allemaal een groot verhaal en schepsel van amerika.. die mense worde allemaal betaald om voor terrorist te spelen.. bush gaat dat zogenaamd bestrijden moet doet hele andere dinge.. het is iets undercoders.j

Sorry Loop je nou te narren of meen je dit serieus?

oef kheb wel zin in een broodje shoarma nu.. heerlijk

zolang moslims neerkijken op niet moslims is de islam het ondergeschoven kind

zolang moslim staten het geloof als wet hanteren zal onderdrukking het gevolg zijn

zolang moslims de sfeer verzieken in bijvoorbeeld rotterdam zullen ze voor mij minderwaardig zijn

zolang de nieuwsberichten alleen maar laten zien waar moslims toe in staat zijn heeft pim gelijk

zolang moslims menen dat ze het recht hebben om een moskee te bouwen en christenen te minachten minacht ik hen

en over schreeuwerige paupers, ach ik ken vreselijk veel moslim paupers die alles rond zich laten verpauperen totdat geen normale nederlander meer in die buurt wil komen

nee allah is groot

ik zit rond die leeftijd, maar gezien de ontwikkelingen zie ik die islamieten steeds meer als een stelletje zielige klagers en betweters

zij vertellen mij hoe ik mij dien te kleden, zij vertellen mij dat ik een homofiel ben

zij proberen mij drugs te verkopen, elke dag opnieuw

nee ik denk dat als ik daadwerkelijk 30 ben ik niet anders zal denken, het zijn namelijk de moslims zelf die de gedachte voeden

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:07 schreef ComComMer het volgende:
Grappig,... of eigenlijk helemaal niet grappig,...

Ik heb geen enkel argument gehoord die opgeld doet voor een eventuele kennismaking met moslims... De meeste 'geesten' zijn al bevooroordeeld. Te bevooroordeeld. Niet het minste idee dat je er ook maar iets van kan opsteken. De struisvogel van Sovereign geldt eigenlijk alleen hemzelf. Hij doet het zichzelf aan... jammer voor hem... en de rest ook eigenlijk...

oordeel niet voordat gij beoordeelt is

ik heb kennisgemaakt met moslims, sterker nog ik reken er enkelen tot mijn directe kenissen. Wat jij wil horen dat ga je gewoon niet horen, zolang moslims zich zo ontzettend misdragen zoals ze nu doen zullen ze niet worden geaccepteerd, nooit

het zijn niet de nieuwsberichten die het kwaad doen, het zijn de moslims zelf die zichzelf keer op keer voor schut zetten, zowel in het klein als in het groot

en daarna klagen, dat ze in een hoek gedrukt worden, neem je verantwoordelijkheid en voed je kinderen op, laat ze zich aanpassen in plaats van ze te laten schoppen tegen een maatschappij waar zij te gast zijn, want geloof me ooit is de gastvrijheid op. en dan rest jullie niets meer dan de klaagzangen waar jullie zo goed in zijn

maar ik weet het goed gemaakt, als je je zo slecht behandelt en beoordeelt voelt, waarom ga je dan niet lekker in irak zitten, lekker de moslim uithangen probleem opgelost

ik zie het punt niet

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:01 schreef sizzler het volgende:
Als er één groep is die zichzelf superieur vind dan zijn dat de moslims wel.

DE moslims? Ik dacht dat een mod meer verstand had om dit soort domme generalisaties te gebruiken. Jammer.

Ik ken alleen moslims, en als ik daarop af moet gaan zijn het aardige, gevende en genereuze mensen. Mag ik dan stellen dat dit voor DE moslims geldt?

Of de TS nu gelijk heeft of niet is minder van belang dan het uitermate domme geroep over DE moslims, da's pas een probleem.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:05 schreef TheDeadGuy het volgende:
ik zit rond die leeftijd, maar gezien de ontwikkelingen zie ik die islamieten steeds meer als een stelletje zielige klagers en betweters

zij vertellen mij hoe ik mij dien te kleden, zij vertellen mij dat ik een homofiel ben

zij proberen mij drugs te verkopen, elke dag opnieuw

nee ik denk dat als ik daadwerkelijk 30 ben ik niet anders zal denken, het zijn namelijk de moslims zelf die de gedachte voeden

Misschien moeten mensen het verschil eens leren tussen een moslim en een allochtoon met een moslim achtergrond. We kijken een willekeurige autochtoon ook niet aan op z'n geloof als ie een misdaad pleegt ? En dat terwijl veel autochtonen toch echt een christelijke achtergrond hebben. Maakt dat hen dan christelijk ? Kennelijk niet. Waarom bij marokkanen/turken/whatever er dan wel vanuit gaan dat het een belijdend moslim is. Veel raddraaiende jongeren hebben namelijk schijt aan alles wat in de Koran staat, en zitten niet in de moskee op vrijdagmiddag.

Het zijn steeds 2 zaken die door elkaar gehaald worden, de etnische achtergrond en het geloof de Islam. En zelfs dan is het nog maar de vraag of bij een misdrijf etnische achtergrond of geloof een rol heeft gespeeld, men gaat er altijd maar vanuit.

Bekijk de zaken eens objectief, en vorm dan een oordeel. Ga eens een keer niet af op naam of afkomst. Het zou een hoop schelen.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:15 schreef LucienS het volgende:

weet ik niet, ik kan ze niet verstaan. Mijn taal spreken ze iig niet.

Degene die ik ken spreken uitstekend Nederlands, compleet met staatsexamen. Daar kunnen de nodige aanwezigen alhier nog wat van leren.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:14 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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DE moslims? Ik dacht dat een mod meer verstand had om dit soort domme generalisaties te gebruiken. Jammer.

Ik ken alleen moslims, en als ik daarop af moet gaan zijn het aardige, gevende en genereuze mensen. Mag ik dan stellen dat dit voor DE moslims geldt?

dit is geen generalisatie, dit is wat het islamitische geloof de gelovogen voorschrijft, zij die in allah geloven zijn superieur, wij zijn slechts varkens waardig te sterven

woordelijk gehoord uit de mond van een waar islamiet

deze beste man wist ook te vertellen dat het woord niet-islamiet en het woord varken gelijkwaardig waren in zijn taal en dat wij worden aangeduid als of uitschot of varken

nee van respect hebben moslims geen kaas gegeten

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:16 schreef gelly het volgende:

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Misschien moeten mensen het verschil eens leren tussen een moslim en een allochtoon met een moslim achtergrond. We kijken een willekeurige autochtoon ook niet aan op z'n geloof als ie een misdaad pleegt ? En dat terwijl veel autochtonen toch echt een christelijke achtergrond hebben. Maakt dat hen dan christelijk ? Kennelijk niet. Waarom bij marokkanen/turken/whatever er dan wel vanuit gaan dat het een belijdend moslim is. Veel raddraaiende jongeren hebben namelijk schijt aan alles wat in de Koran staat, en zitten niet in de moskee op vrijdagmiddag.

Het zijn steeds 2 zaken die door elkaar gehaald worden, de etnische achtergrond en het geloof de Islam. En zelfs dan is het nog maar de vraag of bij een misdrijf etnische achtergrond of geloof een rol heeft gespeeld, men gaat er altijd maar vanuit.

Bekijk de zaken eens objectief, en vorm dan een oordeel. Ga eens een keer niet af op naam of afkomst. Het zou een hoop schelen.

wacht voordat je mij beoordeelt

ik heb het over de cultuur, de cultuur is gebaseerd op eer en wraak, dit leidt tot de waargenomen ellende

christelijke culturen gaan uit van schuld en schaamte en leiden dus tot andere misdaden

ik heb het over vaders die uit eerwraak hun eigen zoon tot moord aanzetten

ik heb het over vaders die hun eigen dochter met een jachtgeweer om het leven brengen

ik heb het over pubers die hun naam kerven in de borst van een meisje

ik heb het over jongeren die zichzelf superieur achten maar het alleen niet zijn en hun frustratie botvieren op willekeurige blanken

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:17 schreef TheDeadGuy het volgende:

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dit is geen generalisatie, dit is wat het islamitische geloof de gelovogen voorschrijft, zij die in allah geloven zijn superieur, wij zijn slechts varkens waardig te sterven

woordelijk gehoord uit de mond van een waar islamiet

deze beste man wist ook te vertellen dat het woord niet-islamiet en het woord varken gelijkwaardig waren in zijn taal en dat wij worden aangeduid als of uitschot of varken

nee van respect hebben moslims geen kaas gegeten

Jij ziet elke christen in Nederland ook als een SGP'er van de oude stempel ? Net zoals bij christenen zijn moslims individuen, met een elk een aparte kijk op hun geloof. De 1 zal zoals jij zegt enorm fundamentalistisch zijn, de ander zal het worst zijn of je homo bent of niet. Een ander gelooft weer uit traditie en hangt er verder geen oordeel aan. Hou eens op met moslims als 1 groep te zien, dat zijn ze namelijk niet.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:17 schreef TheDeadGuy het volgende:

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dit is geen generalisatie, dit is wat het islamitische geloof de gelovogen voorschrijft, zij die in allah geloven zijn superieur, wij zijn slechts varkens waardig te sterven

woordelijk gehoord uit de mond van een waar islamiet

deze beste man wist ook te vertellen dat het woord niet-islamiet en het woord varken gelijkwaardig waren in zijn taal en dat wij worden aangeduid als of uitschot of varken

nee van respect hebben moslims geen kaas gegeten

Duh, ik heb dat soort onzin ook van 'ware' christelijk gelovigen gehoord, dus als we dit soort zaken als basis gaan gebruiken dan ken ik er nog wel een paar.

En jij begrijpt uiteraard wel wat respect is, tenslotte scheer jij miljarden mensen over een kam op basis van de uitspraak van deze 'ware' moslim.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:21 schreef gelly het volgende:

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Jij ziet elke christen in Nederland ook als een SGP'er van de oude stempel ? Net zoals bij christenen zijn moslims individuen, met een elk een aparte kijk op hun geloof. De 1 zal zoals jij zegt enorm fundamentalistisch zijn, de ander zal het worst zijn of je homo bent of niet. Een ander gelooft weer uit traditie en hangt er verder geen oordeel aan. Hou eens op met moslims als 1 groep te zien, dat zijn ze namelijk niet.

dat doe ik niet dat doet de TS, zijn OP is duidelijk de moslims zijn het slachtoffer van weet ik allemaal niet

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:21 schreef TheDeadGuy het volgende:

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wacht voordat je mij beoordeelt

ik heb het over de cultuur, de cultuur is gebaseerd op eer en wraak, dit leidt tot de waargenomen ellende

christelijke culturen gaan uit van schuld en schaamte en leiden dus tot andere misdaden

ik heb het over vaders die uit eerwraak hun eigen zoon tot moord aanzetten

ik heb het over vaders die hun eigen dochter met een jachtgeweer om het leven brengen

ik heb het over pubers die hun naam kerven in de borst van een meisje

ik heb het over jongeren die zichzelf superieur achten maar het alleen niet zijn en hun frustratie botvieren op willekeurige blanken

Dat zal allemaal best, maar hoeveel gevallen van eerwraak kennen we in Nederland, en hoe vaak wordt cultuur en geloof aangwezen als oorzaak van een misdrijf ? Denk daar eens over na. Daar waar we bij autochtonen geneigd zijn misdadigers te zien als asocialen of geestelijk gestoorden schijnt dit bij allochtonen niet voor te kunnen komen. Daar is gelijk cultuur of geloof de oorzaak. Het is niet zo simpel als jij het stelt.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:21 schreef TheDeadGuy het volgende:

wacht voordat je mij beoordeelt
ik heb het over de cultuur, de cultuur is gebaseerd op eer en wraak, dit leidt tot de waargenomen ellende

Cultuur ja, niet religie, als jij dat verschil al niet weet..

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christelijke culturen gaan uit van schuld en schaamte en leiden dus tot andere misdaden

Oh ja? Waarom bestaat eerwraak dan in katholieke landen als Italie? Waarom doen Indiase Hindoes dat soort zaken dan ook?

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ik heb het over vaders die uit eerwraak hun eigen zoon tot moord aanzetten

Zie boven.

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ik heb het over vaders die hun eigen dochter met een jachtgeweer om het leven brengen

Cultuur staat niet gelijk aan religie.

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ik heb het over pubers die hun naam kerven in de borst van een meisje

Dat heeft Allah ze opgedragen natuurlijk! Dat doen toch alle moslims?

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ik heb het over jongeren die zichzelf superieur achten maar het alleen niet zijn en hun frustratie botvieren op willekeurige blanken

En ik zie hier een blanke 'jongere' die zich aan hetzelfde schuldig maakt tegenover alle moslims. Jij bent dus geen haar beter.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:24 schreef gelly het volgende:

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Dat zal allemaal best, maar hoeveel gevallen van eerwraak kennen we in Nederland, en hoe vaak wordt cultuur en geloof aangwezen als oorzaak van een misdrijf ? Denk daar eens over na. Daar waar we bij autochtonen geneigd zijn misdadigers te zien als asocialen of geestelijk gestoorden schijnt dit bij allochtonen niet voor te kunnen komen. Daar is gelijk cultuur of geloof de oorzaak. Het is niet zo simpel als jij het stelt.

sorry hoor, maar waar woon jij? zeker een blanke rijke wijk waar je je dit soort nobele gedachtes kunt veroorloven.

ik doe ontzettend veel vrijwilligerswerk in achterstands wijken en als je eens wist op welke manier ik wordt behandeld door zowel moslimjongetjes als hun ouders zou je je twee keer bedenken.

mijn vriendin (ja ik ben gewoon hetero) wordt voor hoer uitgemaakt door zowel ouders als dei jochies, ze tonen totaal geen respect voor de moeite die in ze gestoken wordt. We staan ook op het punt om moslims botweg te gaan weigeren voor onze activiteiten daar er al verschillende steekpartijen zijn geweest waarbij ook de leiding is bedreigt, zowel door de opvoeders als door de opgevoeden

loop maar een weekje mee Gelly, we zullen zien

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:27 schreef sizzler het volgende:

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Zo kan je van geen enkele groep praten. Niet van de media, niet van het nederlands elftal (want dat zijn ook individuen!) en niet van de economie. Ik vind dat je best wel uitspraken kan doen die over een algemene opvatting van een groep gaat. Anders zou je nieteens kunnen zeggen dat Christenen in Jezus geloven omdat er een paar individuen Jezus als metafoor beschouwen.

Het gaat erom op welke manier je die groep benaderd. Als je stelt dat de moslim in Allah geloven is er niks mis mee. Als je stelt dat de moslim een achterlijke vrouwenslaande homohater is wel. Ik neem aan dat je liever ook niet hebt dat de Nederlander een gierige slavendrijvende centenneuker is.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:27 schreef sizzler het volgende:

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Zo kan je van geen enkele groep praten. Niet van de media, niet van het nederlands elftal (want dat zijn ook individuen!) en niet van de economie. Ik vind dat je best wel uitspraken kan doen die over een algemene opvatting van een groep gaat. Anders zou je nieteens kunnen zeggen dat Christenen in Jezus geloven omdat er een paar individuen Jezus als metafoor beschouwen.

Ok, IRA terorristen zijn katholiek, die hebben moorden gepleegd, gemarteld etc.en hadden een redelijk grote steun onder de bevolking.

Volgens jouw redenatie mag ik dus stellen dat DE (laat ik het netjes houden) Noord Ierse katholieken terroristen zijn. Toch? Da's dan een redelijke geografisch beperkte groep ook nog die geen andere culturen bevat.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:29 schreef TheDeadGuy het volgende:

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sorry hoor, maar waar woon jij? zeker een blanke rijke wijk waar je je dit soort nobele gedachtes kunt veroorloven.

ik doe ontzettend veel vrijwilligerswerk in achterstands wijken en als je eens wist op welke manier ik wordt behandeld door zowel moslimjongetjes als hun ouders zou je je twee keer bedenken.

mijn vriendin (ja ik ben gewoon hetero) wordt voor hoer uitgemaakt door zowel ouders als dei jochies, ze tonen totaal geen respect voor de moeite die in ze gestoken wordt. We staan ook op het punt om moslims botweg te gaan weigeren voor onze activiteiten daar er al verschillende steekpartijen zijn geweest waarbij ook de leiding is bedreigt, zowel door de opvoeders als door de opgevoeden

loop maar een weekje mee Gelly, we zullen zien

Woon je misschien in een achterbuurt ?

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:31 schreef gelly het volgende:

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Woon je misschien in een achterbuurt ?

is dat je enige reactie?? triest triest

wat heb je voor opleiding???



kijk maar in mijn profiel, ik ben allang voorzien van en een titel en een zeer goed betaalde baan

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:33 schreef Mirage het volgende:

Is een buurt dat grotendeels bestaat uit Moslimse mensen een achterbuurt dan ?

Waarom als ik vragen mag ?

......heeft dat misschien met hun gedrag te maken ?

Nee, met hun inkomen.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:33 schreef Mirage het volgende:

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Is een buurt dat grotendeels bestaat uit Moslimse mensen een achterbuurt dan ?

Waarom als ik vragen mag ?


......heeft dat misschien met hun gedrag te maken ?

Nee, moslims hebben nogal vaak een achtergrond waardoor ze in een achterbuurt geraken. Komen er veel moslim dan gaat de buurt achteruit. Dat zijn gewoon feiten. Je moet echter wel inzien dat het moslim zijn daar verder weinig van doen heeft. Het is de sociaal-economische achtergrond die een buurt een achterbuurt maakt. Dat is juist het punt dat veel mensen kennelijk niet snappen. Zet je 1000 armlastige en ongeschoolde christenen in 1 buurt dan verpaupert het ook.

hey gelly, hoe zat het nou met jouw opleiding???? ik heb geen reactie meer gezien na die goedkope one-liner van je

ik probeer mijn stad leefbaar te maken door te werken in dat soort wijken, triest dat je alleen dat eruit kunt pikken

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:38 schreef Hayek het volgende:


ik denk dat er genoeg zaken zijn die voor alle moslims gelden, anders waren ze geen moslim. een moslim gelooft in wat er in de koran staat, en daar staan nou eenmaal veel gewelddadige en 'foute' zaken in.

Ja, in de Bijbel staan ook genoeg foute dingen zoals het doden van homo's en incest. Kennelijk kunnen mensen dan wel onderscheid maken tussen wie dat soort dingen aanhangen en wie niet.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:40 schreef TheDeadGuy het volgende:
hey gelly, hoe zat het nou met jouw opleiding???? ik heb geen reactie meer gezien na die goedkope one-liner van je

ik probeer mijn stad leefbaar te maken door te werken in dat soort wijken, triest dat je alleen dat eruit kunt pikken

Mijn reactie op Mirage was ook voor jou bedoeld. Die oneliner was bedoeld om je aan het denken te zetten. Net zoals ik de problemen niet ken waar jij mee kampt is jouw mening ook subjectief. Ipv problemen af te schuiven op geloof of afkomst kun je ook wat verder nadenken over wat nou de werkelijke oorzaak van wangedrag is. Geloof zal best meespelen, maar dan wel in combinatie met andere factoren. Geloof an sich is geen oorzaak van wangedrag.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:43 schreef Hayek het volgende:

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dat zijn geen geboden

Geweld en onderdrukking zijn wel geboden voor een moslim ? Jouw kijk op de Islam is geen feit Hayek.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 15:43 schreef sizzler het volgende:

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Niet persoonlijk worden in een discussie aub. Dat proberen we zoveel mogelijk te vermijden. POL gaat om de inhoud.

ik begin er niet mee, ik wil graag een reactie op wat ik schreef, niet op wat gelly denkt te lezen

ik vind het een goedkope one liner maar omdat het een mod betreft zal dit waarschijnlijk wel kunnen

ach weet je, zoek het ook maar uit ook, ik verwacht binnen nu en 10 jaar toch giga rellen, en dan zullen we wel verder zien, ik sta vooraan, dat weet ik wel

ik wil nog 1 ding kwijt, internationalist, jij vindt mij haatdragend, maar weet je als je mijn posts hebt gelezen dan zou je weten dat ik het eerst met begrip en samenwerking heb gedaan, we vangen die kids nota bene op, we bieden ze vermaak

maar wanneer de liefde en begrip door eigen misdragingen is omgeslagen in afkeer

tel zelf maar uit

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 16:14 schreef Internationalist het volgende:

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Goed zo Blijf jij maar lekker geloven dat elke moslim de koran letterlijk neemt en als doel heeft iedereen te vernietigen. whehehe dombo

en weer laat je jezelf kennen....persoonlijk doen is voorbehouden aan een select gezelschap blijkt wel

IRF

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 16:03 schreef Hayek het volgende:

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ow? citeer eens wat geboden die nog erger zijn dan

Genesis

"The men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly." ( Gee, I guess they must have been gay -- at least that is what the Christian Right believes.) 13:13

God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah. This was because, so say the Christian Right, some homosexuals lived there. 19:4-5, 24-25
Leviticus

Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22

Homosexuals must be executed. 20:13
Deuteronomy

Women are not to wear men's clothing -- it's an "abomination unto the Lord." 22:5

God says not be bring any whore, sodomite, or dog into the house of the Lord. For "these things are an abomination to the Lord." Sodomites and dogs are biblical names for homosexuals. 23:17-18
1 Samuel

"The soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul ... And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments ... and his girdle." 18:1-4

"Jonathan ... delighted much in David." 19:2

Saul is angered by his son's homosexual affair with David and says, "do not I know that thou has chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion of thy mother's nakedness?" 20:30

David and Jonathan "kissed one another, and wept with one another" when they parted for the last time. 20:41
2 Samuel

David says to Jonathan: "very pleasant has thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of woman." 1:26
1 Kings

God shows his homophobia by calling gay people "sodomites" and their sexual relations "abominations." 14:24

Asa "did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD" by expelling homosexuals (or "sodomites", as the good book calls them). 15:12

Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46
2 Kings

Josiah, with God's approval, broke down the houses of the sodomites. 23:7
Isaiah

The biblical god just doesn't seem to care much for homosexuals. And he gets especially upset when "they hide it not." So I'd just stay in the closet and hope the big guy just doesn't see you. 3:9
Joel

They "have given a boy for a harlot." 3:3
Romans

With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28

Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" and should be killed. 1:31-32
1 Corinthians

Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10
1 Timothy

Homosexuals (those "that defile themselves with mankind") are included in Paul's list of lawless, disobedient, unholy, and profane people. 1:10
2 Timothy

Paul says that in the last days people will become evil, "without natural affection." Fundamentalist say that this refers to homosexuals. 3:3
Jude

God sent "eternal fire" on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for "going after strange flesh." 1:7-8

God fashions a woman out of one of Adam's ribs. This was necessary since Adam couldn't find a "help meet" in any of the animals that God made for him. 2:20-22

Adam blames Eve and Eve blames the serpent. 3:12-13

God punishes Eve, and all women after her, with the pains of childbirth and subjection to men. 3:16

Lamech is the first of a long line of biblical men with more than one wife. It seems that God approves of such marriages. 4:19, 23

Finally, sometime in the next 800 years, Adam begat some daughters. These nameless ones are the first (and nearly the last) girls to be born in the Bible. Maybe the rest of the women were made from male ribs. 5:4

"The male and his female ..." Notice that in the Bible female animals are the property of male animals, as women are the property of men. 7:2

Abram makes his wife lie for him, by telling the Egyptians that she is his sister. But at least it was half-true, since she was his half-sister. Such incestuous marriages are condemned elsewhere in the Bible, but god makes an exception for Abram and Sarai. (See Gen.17:15-16 where God blesses their marriage.) 12:13

Sarai is the first of a long line of barren women who were desperate for children. (In the Bible, it is the women who are barren, never the men.) She sends Abram into her handmaid, Hagar, so that she can "obtain children by her." Abram gladly complies. 16:1-4

Sarah, who is about 90 years old and has gone through menopause, laughs at God when he tells her that she will have a son. She asks God if she will "have pleasure" with her "Lord" [Abraham], when both are so very old. God assures her that he will return and impregnate her at the appointed time. 18:11-14

Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Pet.2:7-8. 19:8

Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26

Lot and his daughters camp out in a cave for a while. The daughters get their "just and righteous" father drunk, and have sexual intercourse with him, and each conceives and bears a son (wouldn't you know it!). 19:30-38

Honest Abe does the same "she's my sister" routine again, for the same cowardly reason. And once again, the king just couldn't resist Sarah -- even though by now she is over 90 years old. (See Gen.12:13-20 for the first, nearly identical, episode.) 20:2

God gets angry with king Abimelech, though the king hasn't even touched Sarah. He says to the king, "Behold, thou art but a dead man," and threatens to kill him and all of his people. To compensate for the crime he never committed, Abimelech gives Abraham sheep, oxen, slaves, silver, and land. Finally, after Abraham "prayed unto God," God lifts his punishment to Abimelech, "for the Lord had fast closed up all the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah." 20:3-18

Abraham had several concubines. 25:6

Isaac uses the same "she's my sister" lie that his father used so effectively (see Gen.12:13, 20:2). 26:7

Esau "takes" two wives. 26:34

Esau, who already had two wives (26:34), "takes" another. 28:9

Jacob offers to work for seven years to pay for Rachel. As it turns out, he is tricked into having sex with her sister, Leah, instead, so he has to work for another seven years so in order to pay for them both. 29:18-30

Jacob is tricked by Laban, the father of Rachel and Leah. Jacob asks for Rachel so that he can "go in unto her." But Laban gives him Leah instead, and Jacob "went in unto her [Leah]" by mistake. Jacob was fooled until morning -- apparently he didn't know who he was going in unto. Finally they worked things out and Jacob got to "go in unto" Rachel, too. 29:21-30

As part of the deal with Jacob, Zilpah and Bilhah (Laban's slaves) are handed over to Leah and Rachel. 29:24, 29

Once again, like Sarah and Rebekah before her, Rachel is barren. 29:31

Leah conceives and bears three sons. And it's a good thing, too, since her husband hated her until then for not giving him any sons. 29:32-34

Give me children or else I die." Rachel considers herself worthless if she cannot produce children for her husband. 30:1

But luckily she has an idea. She says to Jacob, "Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her." She solved the problem the same way as did Sarah (16:2). 30:3

Leah, not to be outdone, gives Jacob her maid (Zilpah) "to wife." And Zilpah "bare Jacob a son." 30:9

Leah thinks her husband will honor her now that she has given him six sons. 30:20

"Then Jacob ... set his ... wives upon camels." Jacob had four wives (or two wives and two concubines -- this distinction is not clear in the Bible): Rachel, Leah, Billah, and Zilpah. There is no indication that God disapproves of this arrangement. (See also Gen.32:22) 31:17

Laban, Rachel's father, is hunting for the "images" that Rachel had stolen from him. Rachel sits on the "images" and says to her father, "Let it not displease my lord that I cannot rise up before thee: for the custom of women is upon me." She knows that no man will come near her when she is menstruating. 31:34-35

Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31

Dinah's brothers, to justify the massacre of a town for the rape of their sister, say: "Should he deal with our sister as with a harlot?" To the author of Genesis, rape is clearly a crime against the honor of men rather than against a woman. 34:31

Rachel dies in childbirth; but at least she had another son. And in the Bible, a woman is expected to die happily as long as she has a son. 35:17-18

"Reuben went and lay with his father's concubine." I wonder why God wants to tell us about it. Maybe he figures that "inquiring minds want to know." 35:22

Esau (Isaac's son) had several wives (continuing the tradition of polygamy, with no editorial comment from the Bible). One of his wives, according to 36:2, was Adah the daughter of Elon, but in 26:34 her name is given as Bashemath the daughter of Elon. Yet verse 3 says Bashemath is the daughter of Ishmael. 36:2, 6

"And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite ... and he took her, and went in unto her. And she conceived, and bare a son; and she called his name Er. And she conceived again [I guess Judah must have went in unto her again] and bare a son; and she called hi name Onan." (It seems that the probability of having a biblical daughter is considerably less than 50%.) 38:2-4

After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24
Exodus

To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 13:12-15

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, ... nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's." In the Bible, women are the property of men; they are his possessions -- like an ox or an ass. 20:17

God explains how to go about selling your daughter -- and what to do if she fails to please her new master. 21:7

God's instructions for taking a second wife. 21:10

If you "entice" an "unmarried maid" to "lie" with you, then you must marry her, unless the father refuses to give her to you, in which case you must pay him the going price for virgins. 22:16

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18

Three times a year God wants to see all of the males. The females he never wants to see. 23:17

"Their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods." God always blames the women; it is they who "go a whoring" and then "make" the men "go a whoring." 34:16

"Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord." But what about the "women children"? Don't they ever get to appear before the Lord? 34:23
Leviticus

Only unblemished males are to be killed and offered to God. Females don't even make good burnt offerings. 1:3, 10

When a king sins only the best sacrifice will do -- he must offer a male goat to God. But if a commoner sins, a female will do. 4:22-28

Women are dirty and sinful after childbirth, so God prescribes rituals for their purification. If a boy is born, the mother is unclean for 7 days and must be purified for 33 days; but if a girl is born, the mother is unclean for 14 days and be purified for 66 days. This is because, in the eyes of God, girls are twice as dirty as boys. 12:1-8

God lays down the law on menstruating women. Such women are to God both filthy and sinful, and anyone who comes near them is contaminated by them. 15:19-30, 33

"Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is apart for her uncleanness," Don't even look at a menstruating woman. 18:19

If a man has sex with an engaged slave woman, scourge the woman, but don't punish the man. (Even if he raped her?) 19:20-22

If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:12

If a woman "lies with a beast" both the woman and the animal are to be killed. 20:15

If a man has sex with a menstruating woman, they both "shall be cut off from among their people." 20:18

Women with "familiar spirits" are to be stoned to death. 20:27

Priests can't marry "whores", "profane", or divorced women. Why? Because "he is holy unto his God" and they would defile him. 21:7

A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death. 21:9

A priest can only marry a virgin. No harlots, widows, or divorced women will do. (God really likes virgins.) 21:13-14

God estimates the value of human life in dollars and cents. Of course, to God, females are worth considerably less than males -- but neither are worth much. 27:3-7
Numbers

The Law of Jealousies. If a man suspects his wife of being unfaithful, he reports it to the priest. The priest then makes her drink some "bitter water." If she is guilty, the water makes her thigh rot and her belly swell. If innocent, no harm done -- the woman is free and will "conceive seed." In any case, "the man shall be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity." 5:11-31

Miriam and Aaron (Moses' brother and sister) criticize Moses for marrying an Egyptian woman and thus breaking the law of God (see Ex.34:16, Dt.7:31, 1 Kg.11:2). But God makes it clear that his rules don't apply to his favorites, and he strikes Miriam with leprosy. Notice that only Miriam is punished, though both she and Aaron complained. God just doesn't like women much, does he? 12:1, 9-10

When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9

Because of Phinehas' javelin throw, God gave him his covenant of the everlasting priesthood. so this was the valiant deed that established the priesthood! It figures. 25:10-13

If a man dies and has no son, then his inheritance goes to his daughter. But if he has a son, then the daughter gets nothing. Also no mention is made of wives, sisters, or aunts. 27:8

If men make vows, then God expects them to keep them. But a woman cannot make a vow, unless it is "allowed" by her husband or father. If it is "allowed," then she must keep it -- be even so, she is not responsible (her husband or father is). 30:3-16

Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! [Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins. (31:28-29)] 31:1-54
Deuteronomy

Don't covet your neighbor's wife or ass -- or any thing that belongs to your neighbor. You see, in the eyes of God, women are the possessions of men. 5:21

Three times a year all of the males are to appear before God. The females he never wants to see. 16:16

If you see a pretty woman among the captives and would like her for a wife, then just bring her home and "go in unto her." Later, if you decide you don't like her, you can "let her go." 21:11-14

Rules for those who have two wives: "one beloved, and another hated." 21:15

Women are not to wear men's clothing -- it's an "abomination unto the Lord." 22:5

If a man marries, then decides that he hates his wife, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they were married. If her father can't produce the "tokens of her virginity" (bloody sheets), then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. 22:13-21

If a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, then "the men of the city shall stone her to death." 22:23-24

If a man rapes an unbetrothed virgin, he must pay her father 50 shekels of silver and then marry her. 22:28-29

God says not be bring any whore, sodomite, or dog into the house of the Lord. For "these things are an abomination to the Lord." Sodomites and dogs are biblical names for homosexuals. 23:17-18

If a man marries a woman and later finds "some uncleanness in her," then he can divorce her and kick her out of his house. If another man marries her and then dies, the first husband cannot marry her again. "For that is an abomination before the Lord." 24:1-4

If a man dies before his wife has a child, then the widow must marry her husband's brother -- whether she likes him or not, and whether she wants to or not. 25:5

If two men fight and the wife of one grabs the "secrets" of the other, "then thou shalt cut off her hand" and "thy eye shall not pity her." 25:11-12
Judges

Caleb offers to give his daughter to anyone who conquers the city of Debir. Caleb's nephew wins the contest and is given his cousin for a prize. 1:12-13

"Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two?" 5:30

Gideon had 70 sons (no one knows how many daughters) "for he had many wive 8:30

After being hit in the head with a millstone thrown by a woman, a soldier orders his armor bearer to kill him so that no one would say that a woman had killed him. 9:53-54

When "the spirit of the Lord" comes upon Jephthah, he makes a deal with God: If God will help him kill the Ammonites, then he (Jephthah) will offer to God as a burnt offering whatever comes out of his house to greet him. God keeps his end of the deal by providing Jephthah with "a very great slaughter." But when Jephthah returns, his nameless daughter comes out to greet him (who'd he expect, his wife?). Well, a deal's a deal, so he delivers her to God as a burnt offering -- after letting her spend a couple of months going up and down on the mountains bewailing her virginity. 11:29-39

Manoah's nameless wife, like so many biblical women, is barren. But an angel fixes that, and Samson is born. 13:2-3, 6, 9

Samson sees a Philistine woman and tells his parents to "get her for me; for she pleaseth me well." 14:1-3

Samson's father-in-law gives Samson's wife away to a friend, since he thought Samson "hated" her. He suggests that Samson take his younger daughter instead, saying the younger one's prettier anyway. 15:2

After taking in a traveling Levite, the host offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine to a mob of perverts (who want to have sex with his guest). The mob refuses the daughter, but accepts the concubine and they "abuse her all night." The next morning she crawls back to the doorstep and dies. The Levite puts her dead body on an ass and takes her home. Then he chops her body up into twelve pieces and sends them to each of the twelve tribes of Israel. 19:22-30

To find wives for the Benjamites (they were unwilling to use their own daughters), the other tribes attacked and killed all occupants of a city except for the young virgins. These virgins were then given to the Benjamites for wives. 21:7-23
Ruth

Ruth does as Naomi says, and then at midnight Boaz wakes up and finds Ruth "at his feet." He asks who she is, and she says, "I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore your skirt over thine handmaid." 3:6-9

Boaz purchases Ruth to be his wife. 4:10
1 Samuel

"He [Samuel's father] had two wives." Once again, by its silence, the Bible endorses polygamy. 1:20

"The Lord had shut up her [Hannah's] womb." Why? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe God had nothing better to do. 1:5

"And Elkanah knew Hannah his wife; and the Lord remembered her [he probably said something like, "Oh yeah, she's the one whose womb I shut up."]. And Hannah conceived and "bare a son [Oh boy, another boy!], and called his name Samuel." 1:19-20

David and Saul have a contest to see who can kill the most people for God, and the women act as cheerleaders saying, "Saul has killed his thousands, and David his tens of thousands." 18:6-7

David kills 200 Philistines and brings their foreskins to Saul to buy his first wife (Saul's daughter Michal). Saul had only asked for 100 foreskins, but David was feeling generous. 18:25-27

The priest tells David that he and his men can eat the "hallowed" bread if "they have kept themselves at least from women." David assures the priest that they have and that "the vessels of the young men are holy." So it'd be OK for them to eat the holy bread. 21:4-5

So David takes his second wife (Abigail) after God killed he husband (Nabal). He also, at the same time, took another wife (#3), Abinam. In the meantime, Saul gave Michal (his daughter and David's first wife) to another man. 25:41-44

David just keeps getting more wives. God doesn't seem to mind a bit. 30:5
2 Samuel

David, by this time, has at least seven wives (Michal, Ahinoam, Abigail, Maacah, Haggith, Abital, and Ehlah), and he was just getting started. 3:2-5

"And David took him more concubines and wives." (How many? God knows I suppose, but he doesn't tell us in the Bible.) 5:13

David sees a woman (Bathsheba) bathing and likes what he sees. so he sends for her and commits adultery with her "for she was purified from her uncleanness." She conceives and bears a son (of course). 11:2-5

"Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel ... and I gave thee ... thy master's wives." 12:7-8

God is angry at David for having Uriah killed. As a punishment, he will have David's wives raped by his neighbor while everyone else watches. It turns out that the "neighbor" that God sends to do his dirty work is David's own son, Absalom (16:22). 12:11-12

After Bathsheba's baby is killed by God, David comforts her by going "in unto her." She conceives and bears another son (Solomon). 12:24

Ammon (David's son) says to his half-sister Tamar, "Come lie with me, my sister." But she resists, so he rapes her and then sends her away. Tamar, knowing that she now belongs to him (since she was a virgin), expects him to marry her, but he refuses. 13:1-22

David leaves ten of his concubines home to clean house. 15:16

David shows unusual restraint and "went not in unto his concubines." Instead, he imprisons them as a punishment for being raped by David's son, Absalom. 20:3
1 Kings

"King Solomon loved many strange women. And he had 700 wives and 300 concubines." God didn't mind the number so much; it was their strangeness that he objected to. 11:11-3

Jezebel (Ahab's "strange" wife) "stirred up" Ahab to "work wickedness in the sight of the Lord." to punish her, God vows that "the dogs shall eat Jezebel." 21:23, 25
2 Kings

King Menahem rips up all the pregnant women in Tizzah "because they opened not to him." Does God approve of such acts? It's impossible to tell from this passage; the mass murder is simply reported without editorial comment. 15:16
1 Chronicles

"And David took more wives" with the apparent approval of God. 14:3
2 Chronicles

Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines. Once again, if silence implies consent, then God must approve of such arrangements. 11:21

"But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives." Apparently, in the eyes of God, a man's status is determined by the number of wives that he possesses. 13:21
Ezra

The Israelites offend God by "taking" foreign wives and thereby corrupting "the holy seed." 9:2

Ezra tells the men that they must abandon their wives and children if they are to avoid God's wrath. 10:2-3, 10-12
Nehemiah

Nehemiah rebukes the men for marrying "strange wives." To punish them he "contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair." 13:25-27
Esther

The king throws a party and encourages his guests to drink to excess. Then, when they are all drunk, he orders Queen Vashti to show her stuff before him and his guests. 1:7-11

Vashti refuses to entertain the kings drunken guests by dancing before them. For this she is no longer to be queen, to be replaced by someone better (prettier?). 1:10-11

Because of Vashti's disobedience, the king decrees that "all the wives shall give to their husbands honor, both the great and the small" and "that every man should bear rule over his own house." 1:13-22

"All the fair young virgins" throughout the kingdom are brought before the king, and the one that "pleaseth" the king the most will replace Vashti. 2:2-4

When it was Esther turn to "go in unto the king," she pleases the king the most. So, having won the sex contest, she is made queen in Vashti's place. 2:8-9, 12-17

Since women are inherently dirty, the woman that "pleased the king" the most must be "purified" for twelve months before she can be made queen. 2:9-12
Job

Job's wife rightly says that if Job is to keep his integrity, then he should curse God (for playing vicious games with Satan) and die. Job replies that she is talking like a "foolish woman." 2:9-10

Speaking of births, Job says: "Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean. Not one." So according to the Bible, women are dirty (sinful), giving birth is dirty (sinful), and the newborn baby is dirty (sinful). 14:4
Psalms

"In sin did my mother conceive me." God considers both women and sex to be sinful. 51:5
Proverbs

God warns us about the dangers of "strange women." Strange men are OK though. 2:16-19

The feet of strange women "go down to death," and "her steps take hold on hell." 5:3-5

Watch out for those evil, strange, and whorish women. 6:24-26

A woman that seduces a man is evil -- the man is just an innocent victim. 7:5-27

We are warned again about "foolish women" who are "simple" and "knoweth nothing," who drag their guests into "the depths of hell." 9:13-18

A fair woman without discretion is like a golden jewel in a pig's snout. 11:22

Avoid living with "brawling" women. 21:9

Try not to live with "contentious" or "angry" women. 21:19

"Strange women" have "deep pits" for mouths into which fall those whom God hates. 22:14

"Whores" and "strange women" lie around waiting to trap innocent men. 23:27-28

Don't even look at any "strange women." If you do, you will utter perverse things. 23:33

Avoid living with "brawling" women. 25:24

"Contentious women" are like "a continual dropping on a very rainy day." There are no contentious men. Well, maybe there are a few, but they are like sunny spring days. 27:15

Adulterous women eat, wipe their mouths, and say "what a good girl am I." 30:20

One of the four things that the earth cannot bear is: an odious woman when she is married." 30:21, 23

Don't give your strength to women. 31:3

"Who can find a virtuous woman?" Virtuous men are much more common. 31:10
Song of Solomon

"There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number." Oh boy! 6:8
Isaiah

Isaiah shows his contempt for women by saying that things have gotten so bad for his people that "women rule over them." 3:12

God will "smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion" and "will discover their secret parts" since he doesn't like the way they dress and walk. 3:16-17

After God takes away the women's jewelry and perfume, and makes them all bald and stinking, he'll kill their husbands. Women will then become so desperate that "seven women will take hold of one man, saying ... let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach." 4:1

Egypt will become weakened and frightened "like unto women." 19:16

Talking about graven images Isaiah says, "thou shalt cast them away as a menstrous cloth." 30:22

"Tremble, ye women that are at ease .. strip you, and make you bare ... They shall lament for the teats." 32:6
Jeremiah

Jeremiah insults people by calling them "harlots" who have sex on every hill and under every tree. 2:20

God compares Jerusalem's sinful ways to a promiscuous woman, or a wild donkey in heat. 2:24

"Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire?" This is meant to be a rhetorical question with an obvious answer: Of course not; women think only about their clothes. 2:32

A divorced woman is "polluted" when she remarries. The man, of course, remains perfectly clean through it all, even though he was the one who "put her away" in the first place. 3:1

"In the ways thou hast sat for them ..." A woman can't even sit anymore without being condemned by God. 3:2

Jeremiah loves to insult people. His favorite insult is to call someone a whore. In this verse he accuses Judah of having a "whore's forehead." 3:3

More talk of harlots who have sex under every tree. 3:6

Judah commits adultery with "stocks and stones." 3:9

"As a wife treacherously departeth from her husband ..." If a woman leaves her husband, she is "treacherous," but a man is blameless when he "puts her away" for no reason. 3:20

God threatens to punish the men by taking away all of their property, including their wives, and giving them to others. 6:12

To punish men, God will "give their wives unto others." 8:10

God compares the destruction of Jerusalem to the rape of a woman who deserves to be raped because she has sinned. 13:22

God plans to expose Jerusalem's private parts to the world by lifting her skirt over her head, so to speak. He's seen her commit whoredoms and abominations and whatnot on the hills, and he's getting darned sick of it! 13:26-27

God will cause the daughters of Rabbah to be burned with fire. 49:2

God plans to make the Babylonian men "become like women." (A fate worse than death to a misogynous god.). 50:37
Lamentations

Jerusalem is compared to a naked woman who sighs and turns backward. "Her filthiness is in her skirts." 1:8-10

"Jerusalem is as a menstrous woman." To God this is an insult. 1:17

God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children. 2:20-22

Once more the good God "accomplishes his fury" by making women eat their children. Praise God. 4:10-11

When God gets angry at you he calls you a drunken whore. 4:21
Ezekiel

God sends a "man clothed with linen" to mark the foreheads of the men who will be saved. Apparently only men are considered good enough to keep, the others (unmarked men, "maids", little children, and women) are to be slaughtered. God says he'll "fill the courts with the slain" and will have pity on no one. 9:4-10

God likes neither woman nor pillows. He says, "Woe to the woman that sew pillows ... Behold, I am against your pillows." 13:18-21

God dresses up Jerusalem, cleans off the blood that she was wallowing in, and then watches her open her "feet to everyone that passeth by." She made "images of men" and committed "whoredom with them." God's really angry about it and says that she will be stoned "with stones and thrust through" with swords. 16:6-41

"Thou art thy mother's daughter, that loatheth her husband and her children; and thou art the sister of thy sisters ..." And so begins a long, tiresome denunciation of Jerusalem. 16:45

A good man never gets near a menstruating woman. 18:5-6

God, through the mouth of Ezekiel, delivers another disgusting tirade about discovering the nakedness of fathers, committing adultery with neighbor's wives, daughters-in-law, and sisters. But don't worry because God "will consume thy filthiness out of thee." 22:1-16

Two sisters were guilty of "committing whoredoms" by pressing their breasts and bruising "the teats of their virginity." As a punishment, one sister's nakedness was discovered, her children were taken from her, and she was killed by the sword. And the fate of the surviving sister was even worse: Her nose and ears were cut off, she was made to "pluck off" her own breasts, and then after being raped and mutilated, she is stoned to death. Praise God. 23:1-49

God gets all excited about cooking with "scum" and human flesh, saying "kindle the fire, consume the flesh, and spice it well, and let the bones be burned ... Woe to the bloody city, to the pot whose scum is therein, and whose scum is not gone out of it." And finally, "her great scum went not forth out of her: her scum shall be in the fire." 24:3-14

God kills Ezekiel's wife and then tells him not to mourn her. 24:15-18

God explains that he will have the "daughters which are in the field be slain by the sword" so that "they shall know that I am the Lord." 26:6, 8

In condemning Israel God says, "their way was before me as the uncleanliness of a removed woman." 36:16-17
Hosea

God tells Hosea to commit adultery, saying "take ... a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms" because the land has "committed great whoredom." So Hosea did as God commanded and "took" a wife named Gomer. 1:2-3

Hosea tells his kids to talk to their mother, "For she is not my wife." Then God continues to rant about "whoredoms" and "adulteries from between her breasts." He threatens to "strip her naked and set her as in the day she was born." 2:2-3

God "will not have mercy upon her children for they be the children of whoredoms. For their mother hath played the harlot." 2:4-5

God says he "will discover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers." 2:10

God gets jealous when women wear jewelry and pursue relationships with other men. 2:13

God tells Hosea to "love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress." 3:1

In accordance with God's command, Hosea buys himself a wife for 15 pieces of silver and one and a half homers of barley. 3:2

Committing whoredom by going a whoring with the spirit of whoredom. 4:10

If you misbehave, God will make your daughters "commit whoredom" and your wife "commit adultery." 4:13

God will induce miscarriages and kill the children of Ephraim. 9:11-12

In another "pro-life" passage, Hosea says: "Give them, O Lord: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts." 9:14

In answering Hosea's tender prayer, God swears he will "slay even the beloved fruit of their womb." 9:16

Because the Samaritans chose to worship another deity, God promises to dash their infants to pieces and their "women with child shall be ripped up." 13:16
Amos

God predicts that "a man and his father will go in unto the same maid." 2:7

The words "kine" and "masters" here in the KJV are translated as "cow" and "husbands," respectively, in several other versions (NRSV, NIV, NJB, among them). That would mean these "cows" are women, who oppress the poor and act like drunkards. 4:1

After ordered to stop prophesying, Amos gets nasty with the Amaziah the priest, telling him his wife will become a whore, his kids will be killed, and he'll die in a pagan country. 7:17
Micah

"And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand." 5:12-13
Nahum

God will "discover thy skirts upon thy face, ... show the nations thy nakedness" and "will cast abominable filth upon thee."3:4-6

In the middle of his threats and insults God says, "Behold, thy people in the midst of thee are women." I guess this ("You're all just a bunch of women.") was the biggest insult God could think of at the moment.3:13
Zephaniah

"Woe to her that her that is filthy and polluted." Only women are filthy and polluted.3:1
Zechariah

God will see to it that Jerusalem "shall be taken ... and the women ravished." 14:2
Matthew

Jesus says that divorce is permissible when the wife is guilty of fornication. But what if the husband is unfaithful? Jesus doesn't seem to care about that. 5:32

When Jesus' mother and brothers want to see him, Jesus rudely asks, "Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?" So much for Jesus' family values. 12:47-49

Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he'll give you a big reward. 19:29

"Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days." Why? Does God especially hate pregnant and nursing women? 24:19

Jesus apparently approves of polygamy since he tells, without comment, a parable involving ten virgins and one bridegroom. 25:1
Mark

Jesus shows disrespect for his mother and family by asking, "Who is my mother, or my brethren?" when he is told that his family wants to speak with him. 3:31-34

Jesus will reward men who abandon their wives and families. 10:29-30

In the last days God will make things especially rough on pregnant women. 13:17
Luke

Even Mary had to be "purified" after giving birth to Jesus. Was she defiled by giving birth to the Son of God? 2:22

Males are holy to God, not females. 2:23

Jesus, when told that his mother and brothers want to see him, ignores and insults them by saying that his mother and brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it. 8:20-21

Abandon your wife and family for Jesus and he'll give you a big reward. 18:29-30
John

Jesus speaks rudely to his mother, saying: "Woman, what have I to do with thee?" 2:4

Jesus tells Mary Magdalene not to touch him because he hasn't yet ascended -- as if the touch of a woman would defile him and somehow prevent him from ascending into heaven. 20:17
Romans

Paul explains that "the natural use" of women is to act as sexual objects for the pleasure of men. 1:27
1 Corinthians

Paul would prefer that no one marry. but he says "to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife." 7:1-2

Paul says "the head of the woman is the man," meaning that the women are to be subordinate to men. 11:3

Women must cover their heads in church. 11:5

If a woman refuses to cover her head, then her hair must be cut off. 11:6

Men are made in "the image and glory of God," but not women; they are "the glory" of men. Paul concludes that women are made from and for men. 11:7-9

Every women should have power on her head because of the angels. 11:10

Women are commanded by Paul to be silent in church and to be obedient to men. He further says that "if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in church." 14:34-35
Ephesians

Paul orders wives to submit themselves to their husbands "in every thing" as though they were gods. "For the husband is the head of the wife." 5:22-24

Wives must reverance their husband. 5:33
Colossians

Wives, according to Paul, must submit themselves to their husbands. 3:18
1 Timothy

Women are to dress modestly, "with shamefacedness" -- "not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array." 2:9

Paul forbids women to teach or "to usurp authority over" men. Rather they are to "learn [from men] in silence with all subjection [to men]." 2:11-12

Men are superior to women in Paul's eyes, since Adam was made before, and sinned after, Eve. But even though women are inferior to men, Paul says they shouldn't be discouraged because they shall "be saved in childbearing." 2:14-15

"A bishop must be ... the husband of one wife." Apparently, it's OK for laymen to have several. 3:2

Real widows are "desolate" and pray "night and day." But those widows that experience pleasure are "dead while [they] live." 5:5-6

You should help a widow only if she : 1) is over 70 years old, 2) had only one husband, 3) has raised children, 4) has lodged strangers, 5) has "washed the saints feet," 6) has relieved the afflicted, and 7) has "diligently followed very good work." Otherwise, let them starve. "But the younger widows refuse [to help]: for ... they will marry; having damnation." Besides the young widows are always idle tattlers -- "busybodies, spreading things which they ought not." He adds that "some are already turned aside after Satan." 5:9-15
2 Timothy

In the last days, "silly women" who are "ever learning" will be "led away with divers lusts." 3:6-7
Titus

Even old women must be "obedient to their own husbands." 2:3, 5
1 Peter

Peter orders all wives to be "in subjection" to their husbands. 3:1

Wives are to use "chaste conversation, coupled with fear." They are not to braid their hair, wear gold, or put on any "apparel." They are to do these things in imitation of the "holy" women of the Old testament who were "in subjection to their won husbands: even as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord." 3:2-6

In relation to her husband, the wife is "the weaker vessel." 3:7
2 Peter

Lot, who in Gen.19:8 offers his two virgin daughters to a crowd of angel rapers and later (19:30-38) impregnates them, was a "righteous man." 2:8
Revelation

Jezebel (whom God had thrown off a wall, trampled by horses, and eaten by dogs [2 Kg.9:33-37]) is further reviled by John, saying "that woman Jezebel" taught and seduced God's "servants to commit fornication." 2:20

Jesus will "cast her [Jezebel] into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her." 2:22

Only 144,000 celibate men will be saved. (Those who were not "defiled with women.") 14:3-4

The great harlot is described as being "full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication." She has a rather large and prominent sign on her forehead, she will get drunken with the blood of saints and martyrs, she will be made "desolate and naked," and her flesh will be eaten and burned with fire. 17:1-16

All nations "have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication" and kings has "waxed rich through ... her delicacies." 18:3

The "great whore" corrupted the earth with her fornication. :2

God likes Abel's dead animals better than Cain's fruits and vegetables. Why? Well, no reason is given, but it probably has something to do with the amount of pain, blood, and gore involved. 4:3-5

God gives Abraham and his descendants all of the land of Canaan "forever". This promise is still used to justify the the unending battles over the land in the Middle East. 13:14-15, 17:8

An uncircumcised boy is to be abandoned by his parents and community. 17:14

Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26

Abraham makes his servant swear that he won't let Isaac marry a Canaanite. 24:3

Isaac tells Jacob not to marry a Canaanite. 28:1

Jacob's sons can't stand the idea of their sister marrying someone who is uncircumcised.34:20

"And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7

After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10
Exodus

God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26

God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7

After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." 12:29

No stranger, foreigner, or uncircumcised person can eat the passover. 12:43, 45, 48

Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13

The Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." 17:14

God favors Israelites "above all people." 19:5

The first commandment ("Thou shalt have no other gods before me.") condemns those who worship any other than the biblical god. 20:3

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18

"He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20

Don't even mention the names of the other gods. 23:13

Do not allow others to worship a different god. Conquer them and destroy their religious property. 23:24

God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27

Stay away from those who worship a different god. 23:32

Don't let any strangers attend your animal sacrifices. 29:33

Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33

Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14

God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor.... And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28

God drives out the pagan tribes and commands the Israelites to destroy their altars and places of worship. 34:11-14

God, "whose name is Jealous", will not tolerate the worship of any other god. 34:14

Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3
Leviticus

Two of the sons of Aaron "offered strange fire before the Lord" and "there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord." 10:1-2

Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22

Don't eat anything with blood, observe times, round the corners of your head, mar the corners of your beard, make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, or print any marks on you. 19:26-28

Stay away from wizards and people with familiar spirits. 19:31

Stay away from people with familiar spirits and don't "go a whoring" after them either. 20:6

People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27

Handicapped people cannot approach the altar of God. They would "profane" it. 21:16-23

No stranger or slave can "eat of the holy thing." 22:10

A man curses and blasphemes while disputing with another man. Moses asks God what to do about it. God says that the whole community must stone him to death. "And the children of Israel did as the Lord and Moses commanded." 24:10-23

Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:16
Numbers

"The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 1:51

Two of Aaron's sons are killed by God for "offering strange fire before the Lord." 3:4

God repeats his order (see 1:51) to kill any strangers who happen to come near. 3:10

Once again (see 1:51 and 3:10) God tells his favorite people to kill any strangers that come near. 3:38

God tells the people to expel from camp "every leper, every one that hath an issue, and whoever is defiled by the dead." So by God's instructions, the sick are abandoned and left to suffer and die alone. 5:1-4

"And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it." (He had his hearing aid on.) He then burns the complainers alive. That'll teach them. 11:1

"And while the flesh [of the quails] was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. "The Bible isn't too clear about what these poor folks did to upset God so much; all it says is that they had "lusted." 11:33

Because of a dispute between Korah and Moses, God has the ground open up and swallow Korah and his family. And then, just for the hell of it, God has a fire burn 250 men (friends of Korah?) to death. 16:20-49

After God killed Korah, his family, and 250 innocent bystanders, the people complained saying, "ye have killed the people of the Lord." So God, who doesn't take kindly to criticism, sends a plague on the people. And "they that died in the plague were 14,700." 16:41-50

"And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities." This verse demonstrates the power of prayer: If you ask God, he will destroy entire cities for you. 21:3

God delivers the Amorites into Moses' hands. (You're in God hands with Moses.) So Moses does the usual thing, killing everyone "until their was none left alive." 21:34-35

After the people "commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab," Moses has them all killed. Then God tells Moses to hang their dead bodies up in front of him; God says that this will satisfy him. 25:1-5

When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9

God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17

Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! [Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins. (31:28-29)] 31:1-54

God tells Moses to exterminate the residents of Canaan and destroy all of their religious symbols and possessions. 33:50-52
Deuteronomy

God destroyed the followers of Baalpeor. 4:3

The first commandment ("Thou shalt have no other gods before me.") condemns those who worship any other than the biblical god. 5:4

If you worship the wrong god, God will get jealous and kill you. 6:15

God forbids marriages with those of other tribes. 7:3

If you do show any mercy to such strangers, "give your daughters to any of them, or "take" any of their daughters, then you'll get God so angry that he'll "destroy thee suddenly." 7:4

God prefers the Israelites to everyone else. It's not that he's prejudiced, he just like them better. 7:6

Destroy the altars, images, and places of worship of those with different religions. 7:5

God will kill those who hate him. 7:10

God's favorite people will never be infertile (neither will their cows!) and will never get sick. (God will send infertility and diseases on the other guys.) 7:14-15

God commands his people to "consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity on them." 7:16

God orders the destruction of all other places of worship. 12:2-3

Kill those of other faiths. Reject their beliefs and do not learn about them. 12:30

Prophets and dreamers are to be executed if they say or dream the wrong things. 13:1-5

If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tries to get you to worship another god, "thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death." If Bible-believers followed this one, they would have to kill many of their own family and friends. 13:6-10

If you hear of a city where another god is worshiped, then destroy everyone in the city (even the cattle) and burn it down. (Watch out Salt Lake!) 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious beliefs that are different from your own. 17:2-7

Anyone who will not listen to a priest or a judge must be executed. 17:12-13

Wizards, witches, astrologers, and new age folks are all "an abomination unto the Lord." 18:10-12

False prophets are to be (you guessed it) executed. How do you know who is a false prophet? By whether or not their predictions come true. (Watch out Jehovah's Witnesses!) 18:20

God won't let bastards attend church. Neither can the sons or daughters of bastards "even to the tenth generation." So if you plan to attend church next Sunday be ready to prove that your genitals are intact and don't forget your birth certificate and genealogical records for at least the last ten generations. Don't laugh. This stuff is important to God. 23:2

No Moabite will ever be allowed into the congregation of the Lord. 23:3, 6

God commands the Israelites to "blot out the rembrance of Amalek from under heaven." A few hundred years later God orders Saul to kill of the Amalekites "both man and woman, infant and suckling." (1 Sam.15:2-3) 25:19

"And the Lord will put all these curses upon thine enemies." See Dt.28:16-64 for some of the curses God has in mind. 30:7
Joshua

Keep yourselves from "the accursed thing". Whatever that is. But be sure to save all the silver and gold for God! 6:18-19

If you happen to see "the accursed thing," don't touch it. If you do, you, your family, and all of your animals must be burned. 7:15

"And Joshua ... took Achan ... and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his sheep... And all of Israel stoned them with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones." This is because Achan "took of the accursed thing" -- whatever that means. But why would God require that Achan's sons and daughters (and even his animals) be stoned to death along with him? The Bible doesn't say. But it does tell us that "the Lord turned from the fierceness of his anger" when Achan, his children, and his animals were stoned to death and their dead bodies burned. This story tells us about the loving kindness of the biblical God. 7:24-16

"When ye have taken the city [Ai] ... ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD. 8:8

Joshua and his army, per God's instructions, slaughter "all the inhabitants of Ai." 8:22-26

"For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly." Notice that God hardens their hearts so that he can have an excuse to kill them. 11:20

God is jealous and will never forgive you for your sins. And if you worship other gods, "He will turn and do you hurt, and consume you." 24:19-20
Judges

God gets angry when the Israelites reject him and decide to worship other Gods. 2:12
1 Kings

Note that Solomon is told to stay away from foreign women. Why? Because they have different ("strange") religious beliefs, and God disapproves of mixed-faith marriages. 11:2

Elijah orders the people to kill all prophets of Baal. 18:40

Naboth is stoned to death for blaspheming god and the king. 21:13

Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46
2 Kings

Ahaziah was sick and sent messengers to Baalzebub to ask if he would recover. God was jealous of the attention given to his competitor and tells Ahaziah that he will die for asking the wrong god. 1:4, 17

Jehu shows off his zeal for the Lord by murdering "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria, till he had destroyed him according to the word of the Lord." 10:16-17

Jehu lied to the followers of Baal so that he could trap and kill them. 10:19

Jehu, when he finishes his animal sacrifices, orders his men to "Go in, and slay them, let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword." 10:25

God is greatly pleased with all of Jehu's killings, saying "because thou hast done well in executing that which is right in mine eyes, and hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart [Jehu murdered them all], thy children of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel." 10:30

Destroy the religious buildings of those of other faiths and kill their ministers. 11:18

God sent lions to devour the foreigners in Samaria because "they feared not the Lord," and even worse "they knew not the manner of the God of the land." Well that'll teach them about God's manners. 17:25-26

Josiah, apparently with God's approval, kills "all the priests of the high places" and sacrifices them to God on their altars. Note that this is a guy who "did what was right in the eyes of the Lord" (2 Kg.22:2). 23:20
2 Chronicles

Whoever that does not seek the God of Israel should be executed. 15:13

Hate the sinner -- or God will pour his wrath out on you. 19:2
Ezra

The Israelites offend God by "taking" foreign wives and thereby corrupting "the holy seed." 9:2

Ezra tells the men that they must abandon their wives and children if they are to avoid God's wrath. 10:2-3, 10-12
Nehemiah

Nehemiah rebukes the men for marrying "strange wives." To punish them he "contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair." 13:25-27
Psalms

God will hit heathens with a rod of iron and "dash them in pieces." 2:8

Christians often say that one should love the sinner but hate the sin. Perhaps, but God hates sinners and plans to destroy them. 5:5-6

Atheists are fools who never do anything good. 14:1, 53:1

The Psalmist praises God for driving out and afflicting "the heathen" with his own hand. 44:2

The Psalmist asks God to kill all "the heathen" and not show them any mercy. 59:5

God will laugh at the heathen as he kills them. 59:8

A prayer for God to kill those who don't know him. 79:6

The psalmist excels at hating. He hates people with a "perfect hatred." 139:19-22
Isaiah

No astrologer, stargazer, or prognosticator will be able to save those that God plans to burn to death. 47:13-14

"God's servants" will have it good; everyone else will suffer big time. 63:13-16
Jeremiah

The worshipping of other gods is called wickedness. 1:16

Those who don't follow or know God are "poor" and "foolish." 5:4

God will kill those who believe and preach the wrong doctrines. 5:12-13

God "will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts" because they refuse to do whatever the hell he asks them to do. 6:19

God says that there are some people that you just shouldn't bother praying for. And if you do he won't listen anyway. 7:16

God is angered by children who gather wood, fathers who make fires, and women that make bread for the "queen of heaven" (Mary?) and other gods. 7:18

Don't trust anyone. Not even your neighbors, family, or friends. Those who believe differently than you are all liars and evil doers. 9:4-6

"Learn not from the heathen." 10:2

Jeremiah prays for the destruction of the people that don't call on God's name. 10:25

Those who don't follow the Old Testament laws are cursed by God. 11:3

God will break those who worship other gods as though they were made of clay, killing so many that there will not be enough room to bury them all. 19:11-13

If any nation does not listen to God, he "will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation." 12:17

Worshipping other gods "is good for nothing." 13:10

God will kill children if their parents worship other gods. 16:10-11

God will enslave the people of Judah because they worshipped the wrong gods. 17:4

Jeremiah asks God to bring evil upon his enemies and to "destroy them with double destruction." 17:18

For worshipping "other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known," God will make parents eat their own children, and friends each other. Then he'll feed whoever's left over to the birds.

If you don't honor the Sabbath, God will burn you to death unquenchable fire. 17:28

God will break those who worship other gods as though they were made of clay, killing so many that there will not be enough room to bury them all. 19:11-13

God will kill those who refuse listen to his prophets. 29:19
Ezekiel

God is jealous of people's attention on idols, so he says these idols and altars will be destroyed and the people will pay for their "abominations." 6:4-9

God again promises to destroy those that dare worship something or someone other than him. 14:6-8

God planned to "pour out [his] fury" on the Hebrews in Egypt for worshipping idols or other gods. 20:7-10

"The day ... of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen." God plans to wipe out the heathen. When? Soon. Really soon. 30:3

God's got a hardcore grudge against the "uncircumcised." 32:21-32

Worshipping idols and other gods is "detestable." 37:23

God will not allow any uncircumcised foreigners into the sanctuary and, for any priests who worshipped idols, God will lift his "hand against them, ... and they sha

Het past niet eens in 1 post

Maar goed, het punt dat ik duidelijk wilde maken is dat zowel christenen als moslims niet alles geloven of nalven wat in de Koran of Bijbel staat. Het is ook nogal onzinnig om 2 geloven tegen elkaar weg te strepen qua geweld of intolerantie.

gelly, kun je die post niet verwijzen met een link, dit topic is meteen onleesbaar geworden

(gewoon als user tegen mod, weliswaar offtopic)

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 16:21 schreef Internationalist het volgende:

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vergeef me

o en wtf is IRF?

alleen alweer de neerbuigendheid die blijkt uit deze reactie zegt veel over jezelf

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 16:21 schreef Hayek het volgende:

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ten eerste is het grootste gedeelte wat hierboven staat geen gebod maar een beschrijving
ten tweede geloven christenen niet in het oude testament maar in het nieuwe testament, het woord van christus dus.
ten derde behoort een moslim de koran letterlijk nemen, een christen niet

Het is maar net wat je wil zien Hayek, maar suggereren dat een christen niet in het OT gelooft is absurd. Waar denk je dat het boek Genesis over de schepping in staat ? Maar kennelijk wil je het punt niet zien dat zowel moslims als christenen de Bijbel en Koran niet letterlijk nemen, maar zoals het hen uitkomt. Als moslims de Koran letterlijk zouden nemen dan zouden er geen moslim terroristen bestaan. Zelfmoord en moord zijn namelijk 2 hoofdzonden uit de Koran. Je kunt natuurlijk ook gewoon toegeven dat je fout zit, ipv steeds uitvluchten te zoeken. Dat discusieert een stuk makkelijker.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 16:23 schreef ComComMer het volgende:

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Je had er zin in...

Wat is hier nu ontopic aan eigenlijk?...

Je bent een Fok-moderator... kan je mijn idee niet forwarden? Daar heb ik meer aan...

Ik ben geen moderator van dit subforum Misschien verwarrend, maar ik post hier dus als user en niet als mod.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 16:29 schreef DrWolffenstein het volgende:
Een lijstje met wat er in de Bijbel en vooral het OT staat is onzinnig. Enkel het Nieuwe Testament geld voor christenen. Dat is nu eenmaal het woord van Christus.

Hmm, Johannes

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2 John

The nonchristian is "a deceiver and an antichrist." 1:7

"Whosoever ... abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God." 1:9

Don't associate with nonchristians. Don't receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 1:10

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 16:33 schreef Lkw het volgende:


Maar sorry, dat is allemaal nogal offtopic

Nou ja, in zoverre dat moslims steeds het verwijt wordt gemaakt te geloven in haat en vernietiging omdat dat in de Koran staat. Kennelijk gaat dat dan niet op voor christenen (of joden), terwijl in hun geloofsboek dezelfde dingen staan. Het kan geen kwaad dat even recht te zetten lijkt me Ook moslims kennen hun toevoegingen á la het nieuwe testament, zoals Hadiths en Soennahs.

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door #ANONIEM op 22-08-2004 16:37:31 ]

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 16:37 schreef LucienS het volgende:

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er is dus geen hetze .

Die is er zeker wel. Een aantal decennia geleden waren er al moslim terroristen, evenveel als nu, alleen noemden we ze toen nog gewoon terroristen. Omdat we nu echter een grotere moslimpopulatie in Nederland hebben is het voor mensen gemakkelijker om die moslimextremisten te projecteren op de moslims hier. Ze kunnen het voor zichzelf een gezicht geven. In hoeverre dat reëel is valt natuurlijk te betwijfelen, het is echter wel menselijk. En tegelijkertijd onwenselijk, omdat het buiten de realiteit staat.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 16:43 schreef LucienS het volgende:

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het·ze (de ~ (v.), ~s)
1 ophitsing => lastercampagne, leugencampagne

Door wie dan?? Al Jazeera misschien

Als je alleen hier bent om wat simpele oneliners neer te planten kun je misschien de discussie beter overlaten aan degene die daar wel behoefte aan hebben. Dit is alleen maar vrij storend.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 16:45 schreef zoalshetis het volgende:
dus de anti-moslim hetze is een godsdienstige hetze?

Nee, men gooit alles op 1 hoop wat juist de kern van het probleem is. Wat de link is tussen Bin Laden, de oorlog in Irak en marokkaanse randgroepjongeren is mij een raadsel, maar die link is voor veel kennelijk snel gelegd.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 16:53 schreef Davitamon het volgende:

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Als, als, als..

Merkwaardig genoeg blijft het bijna altijd bij als in deze versleten retoriek.

Nee hoor

Vrouw steekt partner in brand.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 17:13 schreef POLL het volgende:

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Als het een idioot was geweest die lid was van de scouting, en vervolgens komen er later in dit jaar meer berichten van jongeren die zulk soort misdrijven plegen en die ook lid zijn van de scouting zou je het dan gek vinden als er een verband wordt gezocht? Dat er een aparte discussie ontstaat naast de "wat een idioot"-opmerkingen. Nee toch?

Maar de idioot is meestal nergens lid van, enkel onderdeel van een groep met dezelfde etniciteit of achtergrond waarbij de vraag maar is of het van invloed is geweest op het misdrijf. Bij moslimextremisten is het vrij duidelijk, maar toch niet bij een marokkaan die iemand inelkaar schopt. Dat is eigenlijk het hele punt. En om maar in je scouting voorbeeld te blijven, die gaat pas op als 90% van de Nederlanders op scouting zou zitten. Want 90% van de niet-westerse allochtonen is moslim. Het is net zo onzinnig om te stellen dat er wat mis met kaas is omdat veel autochtone criminelen dat eten. Dus ipv gelijk maar de conclusie te trekken dat de cultuur of geloof oorzaak is, kun je misschien beter nadenken of het er uberhaupt wat mee te maken heeft.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 17:33 schreef Hayek het volgende:

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net alsof iedereen dat beweerd

het zijn niet de moslims die slecht zijn, maar de islam

Natuurlijk, het waren niet de nazi's die slecht waren maar het nazisme. Aanhangers van een ideologie kun je niet loskoppelen van de ideologie zelf. Wat je in feite zegt is dat moslims slecht zijn, zolang ze nog geloven.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 17:42 schreef Davitamon het volgende:

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Maar wat voor oplossing stel je voor? Een bepaald quota voor moslimberichten, zodat de (in jouw ogen) zwakke breintjes van de bezoekers geen 'verkeerde' gedachten (lees: waar jij het niet mee eens bent) krijgen. Idem voor het weglaten van afkomst.
Als je alternatieven hebt die niet vallen onder de noemer censuur zou je ze toch eens moeten noemen, want dit hetze dit, hetze dat geroep wordt wat eentonig.

De media (waaronder Fok!) zouden eens bij zichzelf moeten nagaan in welke mate achtergrond of geloof van toegevoegde waarde zijn in een nieuwsbericht. Voor de verkoopcijfers/views, of uit informatieoogpunt. Vreemd is ook altijd dat steevast daders met een marokkaanse achtergrond als marokkaan worden bestempeld, en niet als Nederlander. Het is nogal in tegenspraak met de hang naar integratie van deze groep.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 17:49 schreef zoalshetis het volgende:
hebben ze dat nog nooit gedaan dan kelly? je doet net of je met het fokking ei van columbus aankomt. wil je net zo genuanceerd zijn naar alle bevolkingsgroepen in het vervolg?

Waar doel je precies op ?

D'r is trouwens niemand die pleit voor het onder het vloerkleed vegen van problemen, er wordt enkel gevraagd om de relevantie van cultuur en geloof in ogenschouw te nemen waarneer het om problemen benoemen gaat. Overigens zie ik vaker mensen problemen benoemen dan een oplossing aandragen, dus in hoeverre we opgeschoten zijn met die vernieuwde openheid is mij nog steeds een raadsel. Het is idd doorgeslagen.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 19:09 schreef Hayek het volgende:

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precies, en dat is dan ook uitgebreid in het nieuws (en nova) geweest

Idd, maar word jij er ook op aangekeken ?

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 21:23 schreef Swetsenegger het volgende:

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Ja, daar zal je meer begrip mee kweken voor de moslim gemeenschap.

Begrip dat je toch nooit zal hebben, dus doe niet zo schijnheilig.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 21:28 schreef PJORourke het volgende:

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Daar komt noch bij dat de joden in het algemeen geen overlast veroorzaakten, en dat de joodse bevolking niet erg hard groeide. De situatie is hier heel anders.

Daar dachten de Duitsers destijds toch echt anders over.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 21:33 schreef PJORourke het volgende:

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Sommige wel. Ik denk dat de Nazi kopstukken ook wel beter wisten hoor. Ze hadden een zondebok nodig.

Toch is de situatie hiet feitelijk anders.

De feiten zijn misschien anders, het sentiment niet.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 21:38 schreef Lkw het volgende:

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Ja hoor, heel stoer. Maar vooralsnog komt dat 'het leven zuur maken' juist van de andere kant. Wat zei je ook al weer? Inderdaad, actie = reactie.

Welke andere kant ? Omdat Mutant een marokkaan is hoort ie automatisch bij "de andere kant" ? Dit soort onzinnige groepsvorming is de kern van het probleem, en kennelijk ben je van plan het in stand te houden.

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Op zondag 22 augustus 2004 21:38 schreef Swetsenegger het volgende:

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Hoeveel joodse terroristische aanslagen op publieke Duitse softtargets zijn er dan geweest tussen pak hem beet 1920 en 1939?

Het waren de Joden die de Duisters onderdrukten in de crisis jaren, en die voor moreel verval zorgden, aldus de Nazi's. Je kunt je beter afvragen hoeveel Nederlandse moslims hier in Nederland een aanslag hebben gepleegd als je persé je vergelijking wil handhaven. Het gaat erom dat een complete bevolkingsgroep of religie verantwoordelijk wordt gehouden voor de daad van een fractie van hen, dat is de vergelijking met het nazisme, en daar is ook geen speld tussen te krijgen.