Oorlog in Oekraïne #1167

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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 13:38 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:
VS gaat blijkbaar stoppen met bemiddelen, betekend dat ook dat de steun afgelast wordt? Ze hebben in ieder geval niet zo lang meer spul, alles wat Biden gestuurd heeft is binnen een half jaar wel geleverd.

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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 13:09 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Volgens mij was zelensky dat van plan en heeft boris Johnson dat toen afgeraden

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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 13:35 schreef Straatcommando. het volgende:

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Ik heb het helemaal niet over stoppen met de euro of eu? Wat is dit nou weer

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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 13:29 schreef Straatcommando. het volgende:

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Dat gaat nooit werken. De "Verenigde" staten zijn al niet eens zo verenigd als dat ze lijken. Zelfde gezeik met arme/rijke staten en zelfs cultuurverschillen. Dat is in Europa denk ik een factor of 10 erger.

Nederland gaat daar niet beter van worden. Wel armer.

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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 13:47 schreef ExTec het volgende:

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Overigens denk ik dat in Duitsland, voor het Duitsland werd, met een plethora aan kleine koninkrijkjes en graafschapjes, hertogdommetjes en whatnot men ook dacht: dat gaat nooit werken!

Tot het wel werkt.

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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 13:38 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:
VS gaat blijkbaar stoppen met bemiddelen, betekend dat ook dat de steun afgelast wordt? Ze hebben in ieder geval niet zo lang meer spul, alles wat Biden gestuurd heeft is binnen een half jaar wel geleverd.

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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 13:51 schreef Straatcommando. het volgende:

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Nee de vs gaat niet stoppen met bemiddelen, dat is weer eens de halve waarheid onelinerman

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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 14:12 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:

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Ik verwacht niet dat Rusland moeite gaat doen, dus dan moet Oekraïne over de brug komen. En dat zie ik ook niet gebeuren.

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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 14:15 schreef skysherrif het volgende:

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Nog 1tje dan:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIlWKjftjas/?igsh=dDhtYzB4NGg2dDN0

Jongetje.

Moeder jong gestorven. Vader vermist aan de frontlinie.

Zelf vandaag gestorven na bijna 2 weken vechten voor zijn leven nadat hij werd geraakt spelend in een parkje in kryvih ri.

Kankerzooi

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Ukraine: The Cabinet of Ministers dismissed Ivan Havrylyuk from the position of First Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Serhiy Dubrov was also dismissed from the position of First Deputy Minister of Health, and Oleksandr Porkhun was dismissed from the position of Deputy

April 18, 2025 at 2:26 PM
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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 14:16 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:
Relatief veel buitenlandse vrijwilligers die gestorven zijn in de oorlog. In die video van Bald zag je echt veel Amerikaanse en Britse vlaggetjes op dat kerkhof. En dan is dat nog maar één kerkhof van de vele in Oekraïne.

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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 13:51 schreef Straatcommando. het volgende:

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Nee de vs gaat niet stoppen met bemiddelen, dat is weer eens de halve waarheid onelinerman

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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 14:05 schreef skysherrif het volgende:
En zo kan je alleen van de afgelopen 24 uur met burgerslachtoffers nog lang doorgaan.

Allemaal kremlinbeleid.

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Rubio Says U.S. to Decide in Days if End to War in Ukraine Is ‘Doable’

“If it is not possible to end the war in Ukraine, we need to move on,” Secretary of State Marco Rubio said as he departed meetings in Paris.

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High-level talks on Thursday in Paris between American, European and Ukrainian officials.Credit...Pool photo by Ludovic Marin
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By Roger Cohen
Reporting from Paris

April 18, 2025
Updated 8:18 a.m. ET

The United States will abandon efforts to end the war in Ukraine if it proves impossible to broker meaningful progress in the next several days, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said as he departed Paris on Friday a day after meeting with President Emmanuel Macron of France.

“If it is not possible to end the war in Ukraine, we need to move on,” Mr. Rubio told reporters, adding that the Trump administration would decide “in a matter of days whether or not this is doable in the next few weeks.”

It was not entirely clear from Mr. Rubio’s remarks whether he meant that the United States would merely abandon its effort to reach a 30-day cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine, President Trump’s immediate focus, or abandon Washington’s commitments to Ukraine altogether.

But his remarks ratcheted up pressure on both sides to end the war and appeared intended to inject urgency into European efforts to prod Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, toward compromise.

While the United States is Russia’s chief interlocutor in the negotiations, Europe has far greater sway over Mr. Zelensky. Mr. Trump said on Thursday that he was “not a big fan” of the Ukrainian leader. By contrast, speaking of his relations with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia during his first term, Mr. Trump said that “I was the apple of his eye.”

Mr. Rubio said Mr. Trump “has spent 87 days at the highest level of this government repeatedly making efforts to bring this war to an end. We are now reaching a point when we need to decide and determine whether this is even possible or not.”

Responding to Mr. Rubio’s comments, the Kremlin signaled that it was in no hurry for a cease-fire, a consistent message from Moscow throughout Mr. Trump’s attempts to end the war.

High-level talks on Thursday between American, European and Ukrainian officials were the first of their kind, intended to bring “convergence” between views of the war in Washington and European capitals. Mr. Rubio said the conversations had been constructive, but it appeared clear that Mr. Trump was losing patience.

During the talks, a “broad framework” for peace, in effect an American plan, was presented to Ukraine. “It’s a framework that gets us into a position to see — look, there are going to be differences; there’s no — no one’s saying this can be done in 12 hours,” Mr. Rubio said. He declined to give any further details of the proposal.

“It is not our war. We didn’t start it,” Mr. Rubio said. “The United States has been helping Ukraine for the past three years and we want it to end, but it’s not our war.”

He added: “If it’s not possible — if we’re so far apart that this is not going to happen — then I think the president’s probably at a point where he’s going to say, well, we’re done. We’ll do what we can on the margins." He described Mr. Trump as feeling “very strongly” about this.

Mr. Rubio and Steve Witkoff, Mr. Trump’s envoy, have led the American diplomacy aimed at ending the war, which has festered for more than three years. Mr. Witkoff has met with Mr. Putin multiple times and said he was trying to develop a “friendship, a relationship” with the Russian leader.

But Mr. Putin has balked, setting various conditions even for a 30-day cease-fire. The Russian bombardment of Ukraine continues.

Asked whether Russia planned to respond to a cease-fire offer from Mr. Trump this week, Dmitri S. Peskov, the Kremlin’s spokesman, said ending the war was “not a simple topic” and that Russia was seeking a settlement that would “ensure its own interests.”

“We are open for dialogue,” Mr. Peskov said. “There are already certain developments, but many difficult discussions lie ahead.”

Mr. Peskov described the one-month moratorium on strikes on energy infrastructure that expired this week as an example of “certain progress.” He said that while the 30-day time frame had expired, Mr. Putin had “not made any other orders,” leaving ambiguous whether that meant the Kremlin would consider the moratorium still in force or would consider it justified to renew military strikes.

Both Russia and Ukraine have accused each other of violating the agreement.

There was no immediate official reaction from Kyiv to Mr. Rubio’s remarks, which appeared jolting after strained efforts on Thursday to demonstrate harmony between American and European approaches to the war.

Mykhailo Samus, the director of the New Geopolitics Research Network in Kyiv, said that an American exit from peace talks would mean an open acknowledgment of Mr. Trump’s “powerlessness regarding the Russia-Ukraine war.”

He added that, “this calls into question the signing of an agreement on strategic resources between the U.S. and Ukraine.”

Ukraine and the United States signed a memorandum of understanding late on Thursday as a “step toward a joint economic partnership agreement,” according to Ukraine’s economy minister, bringing both sides closer to a contentious minerals deal. The deal, if concluded, would make American abandonment of Ukraine appear a remote possibility.

The officials who took part in the Paris talks have agreed to meet next week in London, and Mr. Rubio indicated he might participate, but not if the meeting was just an exercise in further talking. He said he hoped Europeans would remain engaged in the efforts to secure a peace in Ukraine. Mr. Putin’s demands — among them that Ukraine cede territory that Russia has occupied and abandon its attempts to join NATO — have been rejected outright by Ukraine.

“I think the U.K. and France and Germany can help us move the ball on this and then get this closer to a resolution,” Mr. Rubio told reporters at Le Bourget airport as he prepared to depart. “I thought they were very helpful and constructive with their ideas.”

Anton Troianovski and Maria Varenikova contributed reporting

https://www.nytimes.com/2(...)5A-AF3E-0FF13D33A6F9

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Op vrijdag 18 april 2025 14:55 schreef ExTec het volgende:

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Klinkt een beetje als wishful thinking van jouw kant, als ik alle quotes zie die langzaam naar buiten komen.

Daarbij was dit ook nog eens van mijlen ver aan te zien komen ook.

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VS stopt bemiddeling tussen Rusland en Oekraïne als vrede niet snel haalbaar is