Israël - Hamas - #273

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Op zaterdag 18 mei 2024 20:05 schreef HowardRoark het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 18 mei 2024 20:08 schreef opgebaarde het volgende:

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Ik kan die rapporten van unwatch moeilijk lezen, het is schokkend en uitgebreid. Ik begrijp niet dat de hele wereld inclusief israel er verder niks of vrij weinig mee doet.

Jij een idee of theorie waarom Israël het bewijs tegen unrwa al maanden voor zich houdt en zelfs niet met bondgenoten wil delen?

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Op zaterdag 18 mei 2024 20:13 schreef opgebaarde het volgende:

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Dat er tunnels zijn dat vermoedde iedereen al, maar vijftig is schokkend veel. Wat is de rol van Egypte en heeft het slopen van 3.500 huizen, tien jaar geleden, om de tunnels definitief te slopen echt niks uitgehaald?

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Op zaterdag 18 mei 2024 17:18 schreef Red_85 het volgende:

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Blijkbaar steunen ze dat. Anders is niet 3/4 positief over hamas ook na de 7 oktober aanvallen.

Blijkbaar is dat lastig voor je te verkroppen.

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Israel's Gantz demands Gaza day-after plan by June 8, threatens to quit Netanyahu cabinet

JERUSALEM, May 18 (Reuters) -
Israeli war cabinet minister Benny Gantz demanded on Saturday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu commit to an agreed vision for the Gaza conflict that would include stipulating who might rule the territory after the war with Hamas.
In a news conference, Gantz said he wanted the war cabinet to form a six-point plan by June 8. If his expectations are not met, Gantz said, he would withdraw his centrist party from the conservative premier's emergency government.

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Gantz: Israel must change course; 'change is needed here and now'

In his statement, Gantz calls for an urgent change in the direction of the war, which he says has been drifting off course because of the cowardice of some of Israel's leaders.

"While Israeli soldiers are displaying incredible bravery on the front, some of the people who sent them to battle are acting with cowardice and a lack of responsibility," he says, without specifying to whom he is referring.

"While in the dark tunnels of Gaza, the hostages are undergoing the agonies of hell, there are some who are involved in nonsense," says Gantz, stressing the word "some."

"Some of the politicians are thinking of themselves," he charges.

"Within the holy of holies of Israeli security, personal and political considerations have begun to penetrate," laments Gantz.

"A war is only won with a clear and realistic strategic compass," says Gantz, seemingly taking a shot at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's unwillingness to lay out a plan for a post-Hamas Gaza Strip and the slow pace of military operations in recent months.

"A war is only won when all Israelis do their part, and take part in the war effort," he adds, amid fights over a new law determining how many Haredi youths will be drafted each year.

Wars cannot be won amid infighting, Gantz argues. "Change is needed here and now," he says, pledging that his National Unity party "will do everything possible to change course, to prevent a crash into the wall, and to ensure that Israel will sail safely toward real victory. "

The statement comes days after Defense Minister Yoav Gallant warned the prime minister that he must set out a post-war plan for the Gaza Strip, in a speech where he said the gains of the war were being eroded by the lack of planning, with Israel's long-term security at stake.

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Gantz sets out the 6 strategic goals the coalition must adopt, or his party will bolt

Gantz declares that “unity has to be genuine, and not “a figleaf” covering up deadlock in the leadership of the war. “The stalling has to end,” he says.

He calls for a drastic strategic change — a move away from “running in place, to brave decisions and decisive processes.”

At this critical junction, “the leadership must see the big picture, to find dangers, to identify opportunities, and to create an updated national strategy.”

Now he issues an ultimatum:

Gantz says that the war cabinet must formulate and put in place “a plan of action” by June 8 to achieve “six strategic goals”:

1. “To bring the hostages home;”

2. “To topple Hamas rule, demilitarize the Gaza Strip and gain Israeli security control [of Gaza];”

3. Alongside that Israeli security control, “to create an international civilian governance mechanism for Gaza, including American, European, Arab and Palestinian elements — which will also serve as a basis for a future alternative that is not Hamas and is not [Palestinian Authority President] Abbas;”

4. “To return residents of the north to their homes by September 1, and to rehabilitate the western Negev (adjacent to Gaza, targeted by Hamas on October 7);”

5. “To advance normalization with Saudi Arabia as part of a comprehensive process to create an alliance with the free world and the West against Iran and its allies;” and

6. “To adopt a framework for [military/national] service under which all Israelis will serve the state and contribute to the national effort.”

“It will not be easy,” he says, “but only when we define the goals in a clear and bold fashion will we be able to choose the long path that leads to the summit.”

From his talks with world and Arab leaders, Gantz says, “I know the strategic goal is attainable.”

He adds: To be clear — we will go after Hamas and all our enemies in every situation and everywhere and at all times.”

Gantz stresses that Israel will retain sole responsibility for its own security.

And he adds: “We will not allow any outside power, friendly or hostile, to impose a Palestinian state on us.”

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Op zaterdag 18 mei 2024 20:16 schreef Chadi het volgende:

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Blijkbaar volgens jou? Ik zou me ook aansluiten bij het verzet als ik morgen hier Russen tegenover me heb die me bezetten.

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Lapid urges police action after hostage families, relatives of Oct. 7 victims face violence at protest

Opposition leader Yair Lapid pans images of violence against relatives of hostages held by Hamas terrorists and those wounded and killed in the October 7 massacre.

"There's nothing to expect from the police minister [Itamar Ben Gvir], but the police commissioner [Kobi Shabtai] needs to stop it immediately -- where is he?" Lapid writes on X.

In one incident tonight at the Tel Aviv anti-government protest, Gadi Kedem, who lost six of his family members on October 7, was allegedly beaten by a right-wing activist carrying a sign reading "leftist traitors."

Police arrested two suspected of the attack, and medics took Kedem to hospital.

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Every left-wing feed is shocked that Gadi Kedem, the bereaved father, was attacked and even uploads videos. But the videos are cut. In the full video, it is clear that Kedem is the first to cross the fence and attack with physical violence

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Op zaterdag 18 mei 2024 23:32 schreef egayalS het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 18 mei 2024 23:32 schreef egayalS het volgende:
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In the extensive investigations conducted in the months following the publication of the position paper in November, some testimonies referenced within it have been disputed or deemed unverifiable, and more may face similar scrutiny in the future. We regret their inclusion in the position paper. As mentioned, a substantial portion of the information that is now available was not accessible when the document was originally drafted. The new information that has come to light further reinforces our call for an investigation into the subject. It is crucial to recognize that due to the fragmented nature of traumatic memories, they are often expressed in incomplete, confused, or contradictory ways. Therefore, it is neither accurate nor just for persons lacking the required expertise and tools to assess the credibility of witnesses. Accordingly, moving forward, we will rely on the Patten report and, when available, additional reports and documents produced by competent investigative bodies. We will continue to monitor their findings and reports while drawing necessary professional conclusions.

Since October 7, the Israeli government and other entities have been exploiting reports of sexual violence in a manipulative and cynical manner. These reports have been utilized as part of a campaign to dehumanize Palestinians and as a propaganda tool to justify Israel's brutal military assault on the Gaza Strip. This assault has resulted, and continues to result, in the deaths and injuries of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, the forced displacement and starvation of most of the Gaza Strip's population, and extensive destruction of civilian infrastructure, including health facilities. We are appalled by this cynical exploitation of the victims' suffering, condemn it, and view it as a complete abandonment of any moral integrity.

We emphasize once again: Sexual violence and allegations of sexual violence must never be weaponized as tools of warfare or propaganda. As a human rights organization, we remain committed to standing alongside victims, raising awareness about any suspected harm or rights infringements, and doing so impartially, regardless of the origin of the violations. This is our duty, and we will persist in fulfilling it to the best of our ability.

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Op zaterdag 18 mei 2024 20:49 schreef Red_85 het volgende:

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Wat was er bezet in gaza door Israel dan?

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Op zondag 19 mei 2024 08:57 schreef Chadi het volgende:

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...als de discussie of er joden zijn vergast tijdens de tweede wereldoorlog.

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Op zondag 19 mei 2024 08:57 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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De grote omslag vindt wel degelijk nu plaats. Getuige ook de grotere scheuren in de coalitie. Er is meer weerstand en je ziet tig keer meer vragen ontstaan over het waarheidsgehalte van de claims van de Israelische regering.

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Op zondag 19 mei 2024 09:52 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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De main stream media vallen onder Hamas propaganda

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Op zondag 19 mei 2024 09:21 schreef Cuendillar het volgende:
Kijk ze allemaal hoop putten uit ophitserij en Hamas-propaganda.

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aha weer wat nieuws geleerd.

Israelische media vallen er ook onder zelfs. Toe maar. Hamas heeft wel heel veel invloed zo.

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Op zondag 19 mei 2024 10:13 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Het is dan ook de context die het extra pijnlijk maakt, niet de scheuren an sich of de hysterie die erbij komt kijken. Want dat is niet anders dan in andere landen in de wereld.
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Punt is dat er altijd een frame van vermeende betrouwbaarheid hangt rond de Israelische regering, maar dat nu juist dat frame begint af te brokkelen.

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Op zondag 19 mei 2024 09:32 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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Die Benny Gantz ziet gewoon zijn kans schoon om Netanyahu te wippen, maar je denkt toch zeker niet dat hij dan gaat stoppen met Hamas uit Rafah te verdrijven? Het grootste probleem dat Gantz heeft is dat er geen plan voor erna is, maar realistisch gezien gaat dat natuurlijk Israëlisch bewind worden voor de aankomende decennia.