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Je snapt de diepere bedoeling weer eens niet.

Het gaat erom de russen te confronteren dat hun mythe van "de Grote Patriotische Oorlog", gebaseerd is op leugens.

Net zoals dat de ellende van de jaren 90 de schuld was van Gorbatsjov en de "liberalen".

edit: Fack ik moet een op maken
Waarom zijn dat leugens? Ieder pact met Duitsland en de waarden daarvan kunnen toch de prullenbak in bij de start van operatie Barbarossa?
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Er is een knop in het oude topic met: Open een nieuw deel. Waarbij automatisch een nieuw deel in de reeks aangemaakt wordt met de OP er al in. Scheelt een hele hoop knutselwerk en maakt het veel gemakkelijker. Maar misschien dat een modje deze even in de reeks kan plaatsen. Nu even ontopic:

https://news.liga.net/en/(...)l-rezultaty-proverki
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Missile strike on 128th Brigade. Defense Minister Umerov announces results of inspection
The Ministry of Defense announced the results of the investigation into the circumstances of the November 3 Russian missile attack on soldiers of the 128th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade during the awards ceremony, announced the Defense Minister, Rustem Umerov.

Camouflage protocols were not followed, the military was warned about an enemy reconnaissance drone overhead, but "no centralized security precautions" were implemented despite the impending missile threat.

"The main inspection of the Ministry of Defense reported to me the results of the investigation into the circumstances of the missile attack on the 128th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade. Now we know minute by minute what and how it happened. We have figured out what led to the tragedy and how it could have been avoided," he wrote.

The Minister of Defense describes the events as follows:

→ the fighters of the brigade were gathered in the yard of the house to be awarded, "all camouflage protocols" were ignored, more than 10 vehicles were parked nearby;

→ at that time there was a Russian reconnaissance drone in the sky, which was recorded;

→ an air raid alert was declared throughout the region, the military was warned about the sector in which the Russian drone was operating;

→ as soon as a missile launch was detected, the "missile danger" signal was broadcast;

→ "no centralized security measures" were taken at the place of awarding.

The investigation in this case continues, in particular, it is conducted by the State Bureau of Investigation, Umerov said.

"All those who are guilty of this tragedy will be punished according to the law," he said.

The Minister of Defense instructed the General Staff of the Armed Forces to check the implementation of security protocols in units.

"I appeal to all commanders who are responsible for the safety of soldiers: contempt for basic security measures is unacceptable," he concluded.
De omstandigheden van de raketaanval waarbij 19 soldaten om het leven kwamen is onderzocht. Er was inderdaad grove nalatigheid hierin. Alle alarmbellen werden genegeerd.

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  dinsdag 14 november 2023 @ 21:42:57 #4
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https://kyivindependent.c(...)-25-leopard-1-tanks/
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Germany's Rheinmetall to provide Ukraine with 25 Leopard 1 tanks
German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall will supply Ukraine with 25 main battle tanks Leopard 1A5 as part of an order financed by the German government, the company announced on Nov. 14.

The order consists of a total of 32 Leopard 1 systems, including, apart from the Leopard tanks, five Bergepanzer 2 armored recovery vehicles, and two driver training tanks.

Rheinmetall will also reportedly provide Ukraine with training, logistics, spare parts, maintenance, and other support services as part of the contract.

The Leopard tanks, due to be delivered in 2024, are currently being repaired and readied for use at Rheinmetall facilities, reads the announcement.

The company wrote that it would also send Ukraine 14 Leopard 2A4 tanks next year on behalf of the Dutch and Danish governments and five Caracal airmobile-capable vehicles in late 2023-early 2024.

The German government announced on Nov. 13 that it had delivered over 10 Leopard 1 A5 tanks, among other defense assistance, in its latest aid package to Ukraine.

The new deliveries brought the total number of Leopard 1 tanks Ukraine has received from the German government to 30.

Germany is the world's second-biggest provider of military aid to Ukraine after the United States.
  dinsdag 14 november 2023 @ 21:54:17 #7
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Waarom zijn dat leugens? Ieder pact met Duitsland en de waarden daarvan kunnen toch de prullenbak in bij de start van operatie Barbarossa?
Doel van dat pact vanuit de Soviet Unie was om het kapitalistische westen (Engeland/Frankrijk) in te laten storten.
Deceit for a lifetime has taken it's toll.
An emotional void, I feel numb and cold.
You're all dead to me now. And has been for long.
The time has come to reap what you've sown.
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Waarom zijn dat leugens? Ieder pact met Duitsland en de waarden daarvan kunnen toch de prullenbak in bij de start van operatie Barbarossa?
Het probleem van rusland is dat het, anders dan nazi Duitsland, pertinent weigert om haar bloedige geschiedenis te accepteren.

Zie het interview dat ik een uur geleden postte. Het zijn iedere keer weer dezelfde trucjes: projectie, slachtofferrol, leugens.
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Severely Injured Russian Troops Suddenly Realize They’ve Been Screwed
“It’s just a metal stick with a plastic tip!” one vet says of his new arm.

Russian troops who’ve lost limbs helping Vladimir Putin carry out his genocidal ambitions in Ukraine are in for a rude wake-up call when they turn to the state for “rehabilitation.”

One man who lost his left arm in the war returned home and waited patiently for months for his new prosthetic arm promised by the Defense Ministry—but when the day finally came, all he got was a metal rod.

“It’s just a metal stick with a plastic tip!” 48-year-old Vadim Sharipov vented to Radio Free Europe’s Siberian service. “Why should I be happy with a stick instead of a prosthesis?! At first they stalled, then they refused to admit that it was shoddy work, and as time goes on, the muscles will atrophy and then no prosthesis will be needed,” he said, adding that he is now suing in a bid to get a better prosthetic.

“I told my daughter that a shark bit my arm off when I was swimming in the sea,” Sharipov said in a separate interview with Veter.

The independent media outlet Verstka reported last month that the number of disabled men under the age of 30 in Russia grew by 17,000 in 2022, and authorities planned for a nine-year record of newly disabled men in 2023. The Defense Ministry declared on state-run television late last year that all soldiers who suffer amputations or lost limbs in the war will get the “best” prosthetics.

But authorities now seem unable to keep up with the demand.

While some members of the notorious Wagner Group managed to get fitted out with imported prosthetics in a Wagner-run facility in Anapa earlier on in the war, according to the BBC, some Wagner fighters say they’ve been hung out to dry after the death of mercenary boss Yevgeny Prigozhin.

“I went from prison to fight for you, for your country, which provided nothing for me and still provides nothing. I’m seriously wounded. I’m missing one eye, and the other has been operated on,” a shirtless man identified as a Wagner fighter from the Krasnodar region says to Vladimir Putin in a recent video appeal, complaining that he hasn’t been paid his pension and can’t get a job despite receiving a pardon.

“We defended our country and atoned for our sins. Although we’re convicts, we’re not convicts! We are the most just people. We’ll prove to anyone—even you, bald man—that we are respect and Wagner is power!”
Wie had dat nu verwacht. De Russische overheid die zijn beloftes niet nakomt. Ze mogen blij zijn dat ze gewoon in vrijheid mogen leven. Dat is ook wel eens anders geweest. Na de tweede wereld oorlog werden de meeste gehandicapten weg gescheept naar speciale kampen toe. Wat niet weet wat niet deert tenslotte.
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Er is een knop in het oude topic met: Open een nieuw deel. Waarbij automatisch een nieuw deel in de reeks aangemaakt wordt met de OP er al in. Scheelt een hele hoop knutselwerk en maakt het veel gemakkelijker. Maar misschien dat een modje deze even in de reeks kan plaatsen.
Sorry ik ben net nieuw op Fok.
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Naast de kangaroo en de haai weer een dier erbij. Zal vast niet lang duren voordat er weer een meme over uit komt.
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Leuk speelgoed als ik het filmpje zo bekijk.
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In NRC vandaag een uitgebreid interview met een voormalig topman van de AIVD over Rusland. Zeer de moeite waard.
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https://mil.in.ua/en/news(...)o-rostov-bellingcat/
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Russia transferred S-400 from Kaliningrad to Rostov – Bellingcat
Russia likely transferred its S-400 air defense systems from the Kaliningrad region to Rostov-on-Don.

Bellingcat investigators came to these conclusions.

This is based on the analysis of satellite images for the period between late October and early November.

The investigation reports that the elements of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems have been moved from at least two Russian air defense sites.

This regards several battalions. The exact site of their relocation remains uncertain. Nevertheless, observers suggested that these air defense systems were delivered to Rostov-on-Don.

Journalists discovered that the movement of weapons coincided with the increase in flights of Russian An-124 and Il-76 military transport aircraft from Kaliningrad over the Baltic Sea towards the mainland of the aggressor country.

Moreover, while flying over the territory of the Russian Federation, the pilots turned off transponders that allowed tracking the aircraft’s route and landing site.

Elements of Russian air defense systems were redeployed in late October and early November.

After analyzing satellite images, Bellingcat discovered that at least some parts of the S-400 air defense system were moved from the air defense site near the town of Gvardeysk.

It is also assumed that some components of the air defense systems may have been moved from the site west of Kaliningrad near Primorskaya Bay.

However, it is not yet possible to accurately verify this information due to the poor quality of satellite images, which is related to the weather conditions during the period in question.

The relocation of Russian air defense systems closer to the border with Ukraine is likely indicating that the Russians are trying to compensate for the losses of their air defense system from repeated Ukrainian strikes on the temporarily occupied territory.
Door het slechte weer kan niet niet geheel bevestigd worden. Dus tot nu toe is het slechts een vermoeden. Maar er zijn al meer berichten geweest van luchtafweer die vanuit andere plekken in Rusland verplaatst zijn dichter naar de grenzen toe. Of dichter bij Poetins vakantiehuis.
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3s.gif Op dinsdag 14 november 2023 22:15 schreef Alpha0 het volgende:
In NRC vandaag een uitgebreid interview met een voormalig topman van de AIVD over Rusland. Zeer de moeite waard.
Is volgens mij al gepost? Hier de link.

Modderseizoen is aangebroken. Hier een voorbeeld van Romanov. De loopgraven zitten rond Bakhmut ook vol water.

Kherson lijkt redelijk droge grond te hebben, behalve de uiterrwaarden van de Dnipr waar de Oekrainers door moeten.
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 14 november 2023 22:06 schreef Delenlill het volgende:
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Naast de kangaroo en de haai weer een dier erbij. Zal vast niet lang duren voordat er weer een meme over uit komt.
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
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https://mil.in.ua/en/news(...)o-defense-companies/
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Russia claims a UAV attack on two defense companies
On the night of November 14, drones attacked an explosives plant and a facility of a Russian missile manufacturer in Russia.

Russian Telegram channels reported on this.

A video of a drone allegedly flying toward one of the aggressor country’s defense industry enterprises was also posted online.

The Baza Telegram channel reports that on Tuesday night, a UAV filled with explosives was allegedly found in the village of Seltsovo, on the territory of the Bryansk chemical plant.

“On the night of November 14, an unexploded UAV with an explosive substance was discovered in an unfinished workshop of the Bryansk Chemical Plant named after the 50th anniversary of the USSR, located in the village of Seltsovo,” the statement reads.

It is noted that the roof of the workshop was pierced in three places. Russian special services were called to the scene. It was stated that no casualties were reported as a result of the drone crash.

According to official information, this company is currently engaged in producing industrial explosives and disposing of ammunition.

In addition, on the morning of November 14, Russian public media reported an explosion in Kolomna near Moscow, near the buildings of the KB Mashinostroyeniya, one of the Russian enterprises specializing in the production of missile weapons. According to Astra, the explosion occurred at about 7:30 a.m. local time.
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The KB Mashinostroyeniya is a leading Russian missile weapons manufacturer that is part of the “High Precision Systems” holding of the Rostec State Corporation. Its products are the Iskander SRBM and the Kinzhal ballistic missile.
Enkele filmpjes in het artikel. Jammer dat ze niet effectiever waren. Al weet je het met Rusland nooit natuurlijk.
  dinsdag 14 november 2023 @ 22:28:09 #18
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Rheinmetall Designates Ukraine as Pioneer Recipient of Caracal Air Assault Vehicles

* https://mil.in.ua/en/news(...)ir-assault-vehicles/
* https://www.rheinmetall.c(...)d-systeme-an-ukraine

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Raad het wapen waar oekraine blijkbaar mee mag oefenen.

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Ken het wapen niet, maar ik weet 100% zeker dat het van Franse makelij is.

Frankrijk had vandaag ook 50 voertuigen aan Armenie geleverd.
  dinsdag 14 november 2023 @ 23:03:24 #22
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Als je samen afspreekt een land te annexeren, dan heb je alliantie. Dat mag dan niet op papier staan, maar het is een militaire alliantie. Specifiek een entente.
Nee, dat klopt niet. Zoals in de tekst duidelijk staat: het is een afspraak elkaar te consulteren in het geval dat zoiets gebeurt.

Dit gaat over de afspraak over een partitie zelf, niet over het elkaar consulteren in het geval van een mogelijk conflict.

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An entente is a type of treaty or military alliance in which the signatories promise to consult each other or to cooperate in the event of a crisis or military action.[1] Examples include the Entente Cordiale between France and the United Kingdom, or the Triple Entente between France, Russia and Britain.[1]

It has been found that during wars, signatories of ententes are less likely to assist each other than signatories of defense pacts but more likely than signatories of non-aggression pacts.[1] It has also been found that great powers are less likely to start wars against their partners in ententes than against their partners in nonaggression and defensive pacts or states with no alliance with them.[1]
Ceterum censeo Turciam delendam esse.
  dinsdag 14 november 2023 @ 23:05:11 #23
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 14 november 2023 21:54 schreef Harvest89 het volgende:

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Doel van dat pact vanuit de Soviet Unie was om het kapitalistische westen (Engeland/Frankrijk) in te laten storten.
Het doel van het pact was een deel van Polen over te nemen en tegelijkertijd tijd te winnen om de eigen krijgsmacht verder uit te bouwen na de grote zuivering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
Ceterum censeo Turciam delendam esse.
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  dinsdag 14 november 2023 @ 23:27:47 #25
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Raad het wapen waar oekraine blijkbaar mee mag oefenen.

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Even aangenomen dat je het geweer bedoelt.

Lijkt me een Famas G2 met wat tactische opsmuk, grip, vizier.

Die officieel niet in Oekrane is maar heb wel- foto's van- soldaten met deze uitvoering gezien.
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