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https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)_deep_inside_crimea/
Okay, so this is a reasonable thing to ask, but let's methodically lay out why this is a bad idea.
1] Russia's broken every peace deal they've signed. They have a track record, particularly in the recent past, of negotiating in bad faith, which means "making a promise they never intended to keep. They made an absolute promise to not merely "not declare war on Ukraine", but to respect their sovereignty. They broke both of these, but the latter promise is the more consequential one — they will try to do this, so any peace deal needs to be aimed at limiting their opportunities.
This was broken first by bribing their politicians, to the point where protestors had to kick out a Russian-owned president, at the cost of over 100 deaths amongst the protestors. This was then broken by an outright military invasion, in 2014, which they attempted to pretend was the work of locals who wanted to secede from the country, but was in reality regular Russian Army units who'd had their insignias stripped.
So if you sign a peace deal with Russia, you're guaranteed that they're going to try to sabotage it. They're going to do terrorist acts (like shooting down that passenger jet), they're going to do assassinations, bribes, etc, etc. Critically, this will be aimed at crippling UA's ability to economically recover.
Businesses may have insurance, but they're extremely cagey about risk. One of RU's prime strategies with their separatist movements (aimed at several countries, like Georgia, Moldova, and Armenia) is to scare away non-Russian investment from international companies. For example, there was active prospecting for Natural Gas + Oil going on by BP/Shell/Exxon in Ukraine, but it disappeared the moment the DNR/LPR stuff hit. This wasn't an accidental side effect — this was a primary intent on Russia's part.
It's a simple reality that if Crimea is partitioned, it's far, far easier for Russia to insert saboteurs, and a partitioned, policed enclave is likely to chafe pretty badly and even cause legitimate grievances against the UA government, which would be fodder for FSB contacts.
2] those people are colonists. If you've watched this sub over the course of this war, you'll have seen dozens of articles about Russia deliberately moving in new citizens from the poor parts of Russia, with cash bounties for settlement. When Putin visited Mariupol, he visited an entire new apartment complex that'd been built, stuffed with brand new residents, fresh from Russia.
This is both a new phenomenon, and an old one; during the mid 1800s (i.e. right around the time of the American Civil War), Russia finally completed its conquest of "NovoRossiya (literally: New Russia)", as Catherine the Great called it, which was the final remnant state of the Tatars — they had lived in much of the steppelands of what's currently occupied Ukraine, and had their capital in Crimea, close to their Ottoman allies, whom they'd come to depend on. After conquering them, Russia committed genocide by deportation. As with the Trail of Tears in the US, most forced relocations in the past tended to cause a large number of deaths, both in the movement itself (typically via exposure, shortage of food, violence, etc), but also by relocating people to a place where they don't immediately have a living — and it turns out a "living" isn't a figure of speech.
If you asked me this in 2014, I'd have been a lot more sympathetic to the "plight" of the Russian colonists, but at this point, fuck 'em. After all the rape, and killing, and theft, I feel like Ukraine has so goodwill on their ledger that I have absolutely no problem with them "being the asshole bouncer in a club" and deporting those assholes.
If you're pro-russian at this point, you're a nazi sympathizer from the period immediately after WW2. Fuck them, and fuck their rights — they no longer deserve them.
Okay, so this is a reasonable thing to ask, but let's methodically lay out why this is a bad idea.
1] Russia's broken every peace deal they've signed. They have a track record, particularly in the recent past, of negotiating in bad faith, which means "making a promise they never intended to keep. They made an absolute promise to not merely "not declare war on Ukraine", but to respect their sovereignty. They broke both of these, but the latter promise is the more consequential one — they will try to do this, so any peace deal needs to be aimed at limiting their opportunities.
This was broken first by bribing their politicians, to the point where protestors had to kick out a Russian-owned president, at the cost of over 100 deaths amongst the protestors. This was then broken by an outright military invasion, in 2014, which they attempted to pretend was the work of locals who wanted to secede from the country, but was in reality regular Russian Army units who'd had their insignias stripped.
So if you sign a peace deal with Russia, you're guaranteed that they're going to try to sabotage it. They're going to do terrorist acts (like shooting down that passenger jet), they're going to do assassinations, bribes, etc, etc. Critically, this will be aimed at crippling UA's ability to economically recover.
Businesses may have insurance, but they're extremely cagey about risk. One of RU's prime strategies with their separatist movements (aimed at several countries, like Georgia, Moldova, and Armenia) is to scare away non-Russian investment from international companies. For example, there was active prospecting for Natural Gas + Oil going on by BP/Shell/Exxon in Ukraine, but it disappeared the moment the DNR/LPR stuff hit. This wasn't an accidental side effect — this was a primary intent on Russia's part.
It's a simple reality that if Crimea is partitioned, it's far, far easier for Russia to insert saboteurs, and a partitioned, policed enclave is likely to chafe pretty badly and even cause legitimate grievances against the UA government, which would be fodder for FSB contacts.
2] those people are colonists. If you've watched this sub over the course of this war, you'll have seen dozens of articles about Russia deliberately moving in new citizens from the poor parts of Russia, with cash bounties for settlement. When Putin visited Mariupol, he visited an entire new apartment complex that'd been built, stuffed with brand new residents, fresh from Russia.
This is both a new phenomenon, and an old one; during the mid 1800s (i.e. right around the time of the American Civil War), Russia finally completed its conquest of "NovoRossiya (literally: New Russia)", as Catherine the Great called it, which was the final remnant state of the Tatars — they had lived in much of the steppelands of what's currently occupied Ukraine, and had their capital in Crimea, close to their Ottoman allies, whom they'd come to depend on. After conquering them, Russia committed genocide by deportation. As with the Trail of Tears in the US, most forced relocations in the past tended to cause a large number of deaths, both in the movement itself (typically via exposure, shortage of food, violence, etc), but also by relocating people to a place where they don't immediately have a living — and it turns out a "living" isn't a figure of speech.
If you asked me this in 2014, I'd have been a lot more sympathetic to the "plight" of the Russian colonists, but at this point, fuck 'em. After all the rape, and killing, and theft, I feel like Ukraine has so goodwill on their ledger that I have absolutely no problem with them "being the asshole bouncer in a club" and deporting those assholes.
If you're pro-russian at this point, you're a nazi sympathizer from the period immediately after WW2. Fuck them, and fuck their rights — they no longer deserve them.
Gruwelijk hoe die Russen huishouden in Oekrane. Echt schandalig. Hopelijk worden verantwoordelijken berecht.quote:
heitieh
Zeker schandalig. Ze komen al jaren weg met allerlei walgelijkheden, en nu krijgen ze ook lang niet genoeg op hun lazer.quote:Op zaterdag 10 juni 2023 20:04 schreef Joooo-pi het volgende:
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Gruwelijk hoe die Russen huishouden in Oekrane. Echt schandalig. Hopelijk worden verantwoordelijken berecht.
En weer laten we het gebeuren....quote:Op zaterdag 10 juni 2023 20:11 schreef Seeburg54 het volgende:
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Zeker schandalig. Ze komen al jaren weg met allerlei walgelijkheden, en nu krijgen ze ook lang niet genoeg op hun lazer.
The name is Putler, Vladimir Putler
Kende dit nederlandse account gek genoeg nog niet echt. Volgde het een weekje zag deze tweet voorbij komen van iemand die zogezegd ex aivd is met 12k volgers. Dus dacht wat een onzin is dit???quote:Op zaterdag 10 juni 2023 19:08 schreef Hatseflats22 het volgende:
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Hoewel ik het geestig vind dat de cirkel hiermee rond is, een mede user op FOK veroorzaakt immers op Twitter een commentaar dat ik eerder op FOK las, bewijst het tegelijkertijd dat je idioten op sociale media geen aandacht moet geven. Het genereert uiteindelijk alleen maar meer aandacht, likes en clicks voor de betreffende idioot.
Maar nu even verder over hem gelezen en het is gewoon een pure oplichter, frauder en fantast. Weer ontvolgt en idd geen aandacht meer geven. Veel mensen die ondanks dat ze aan oekraiense kant staan het gewoon voor eigengewin gebruiken. Eigenlijk nog erger.
Even zonder gekheid. Hoeveel Bradleys en Leopards zijn nu bevestigd gesneuveld?
Charlie: How's it going in there?
Alan: Whatever happened to zippers? I miss zippers.
Charlie: I don't know, Alan, maybe there were too many injuries. Nobody ever got their balls caught in a buttonhole
Alan: Whatever happened to zippers? I miss zippers.
Charlie: I don't know, Alan, maybe there were too many injuries. Nobody ever got their balls caught in a buttonhole
Stuur maar een mailtje naar shoigu@kremlin.ruquote:
Even zonder gekheid. Hoeveel Bradleys en Leopards zijn nu bevestigd gesneuveld?
1 bradley echt stukquote:
Even zonder gekheid. Hoeveel Bradleys en Leopards zijn nu bevestigd gesneuveld?
10 beschadigd en mogelijk achtergelaten
2 leopards stuk
1 beschadigd en mogelijk achtergelaten
(belangrijke noot: verliezen van crew van deze IFVS en tanks wss heeeel laag)
En dan is mijn vraag: hoeveel hebben ze er? Hoeveel Leo's hoeveel Bradley's?quote:Op zaterdag 10 juni 2023 20:56 schreef skysherrif het volgende:
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1 bradley echt stuk
10 beschadigd en mogelijk achtergelaten
2 leopards stuk
1 beschadigd en mogelijk achtergelaten
I am not omniscient, but I know a lot.
- Goethe, “Faust”
- Goethe, “Faust”
genoeg dat dit 'verlies' ingecalculeerd zal zijn. Het zijn wapens, geen sierpaarden.quote:
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En dan is mijn vraag: hoeveel hebben ze er? Hoeveel Leo's hoeveel Bradley's?
For every fact, there is an equal and opposite opinion.
Twitch.tv/bensel15
Twitch.tv/bensel15
Ik geloof 110 bradleys en 210 leopards (nog niet alle leopards zijn geleverd geloof/vermoed ik overigens).quote:
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En dan is mijn vraag: hoeveel hebben ze er? Hoeveel Leo's hoeveel Bradley's?
De 90 strykers hebben we nog niet gezien (en de paar challengers ook nog niet)_
Antwoord: honderdmiljoenmiljard. Russia stronk.quote:
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Stuur maar een mailtje naar shoigu@kremlin.ru
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Thanks.quote:
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Ik geloof 110 bradleys en 210 leopards (nog niet alle leopards zijn geleverd geloof/vermoed ik overigens).
De 90 strykers hebben we nog niet gezien (en de paar challengers ook nog niet)_
Valt allemaal wel mee dus.
I am not omniscient, but I know a lot.
- Goethe, “Faust”
- Goethe, “Faust”
Amerika heeft overigens duizenden bradleys, dus het is juist heel fijn dat de bradleys de crew ongeschonden laat. Dat er een paar stukgaan kan gebeuren. Juist belangrijk dat de mensen die weten hoe ze te besturen blijven leven. Als het nodig is worden er wel extra gestuurd door Amerika. Ze weten iig hun rol om de oekraiense levens te beschermen zeer goed uit te voeren.
Kan zijn, maar ben je over een maand 50% kwijt gaat dat lastig aan worden gevuld.quote:
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genoeg dat dit 'verlies' ingecalculeerd zal zijn. Het zijn wapens, geen sierpaarden.
Misschien kun je het lijden als je genoeg doelen hebt gehaald, maar spannend is het wel.
De issue voor Oekraene is over het algemeen de eerste linie.quote:
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Kan zijn, maar ben je over een maand 50% kwijt gaat dat lastig aan worden gevuld.
Misschien kun je het lijden als je genoeg doelen hebt gehaald, maar spannend is het wel.
Mijnen en artillerie.
Voor Bradley en leopard is dat de grootste issue.
En dat is wat Rusland juist veel heeft aan het front.
De vraag is weten ze een doorbraak te forceren.
I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer to all living things that cry out for help.I am the protector of the innocent. I am the Light in the darkness. I am truth. Ally to good! Nightmare to you!
"Kijk, Rusland had niets met het opblazen bezwijken van de dam te maken."quote:
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
Echt heel nice! Terwijl je de frontlinie aanvalt ook nog even de belangrijkste commandodoelen in de achterhoede aanvallen!quote:
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HQ van het opperbevel van het zuidwestelijke front opgeblazen. Dit gaat de Russen pijn doen. Als dit inderdaad zo is - en dat hoop ik- dan is dat leger daar gewoon onthoofd. Snel even een blik generaals en kolonels opentrekken gaat hem niet worden. Dat gaat zeker in een hirarchie zoals die in het Russische leger heerst enorme problemen opleveren.
Analyse van vandaag gisteren.
I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer to all living things that cry out for help.I am the protector of the innocent. I am the Light in the darkness. I am truth. Ally to good! Nightmare to you!
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
