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Daarnaast verouderd munittieook vrij snel hequote:Op zondag 16 oktober 2022 21:56 schreef bleiblei het volgende:
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Nee hoor, er is weer een chipoverschot sinds een week of 2.
maar die HRMS raketten dat moet wel snel opgevoerd worden en ook grotere afstand dan 50 km
Er gaat niets boven lekker in de zon zitten in de achtertuin met een heel koud glas bier , als je al 75 jaar bent en nog gezond, laat ze maar lachen de sukkels
Russia picks MiG-29 fighter jets from storage
https://mil.in.ua/en/news(...)r-jets-from-storage/
https://mil.in.ua/en/news(...)r-jets-from-storage/
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
Nee hoor, er is weer een chipoverschot sinds een week of 2quote:
Op . Verder zie je de markt op meer punten inzakken waardoor er weer meer materiaal op de markt beschikbaar komt. Verder zijn de meeste wapenfabrieken een half jaar geleden al op volle sterkte begonnen met fabriceren. Dus ik vermoed dat het westen voorlopig genoeg die kant op kan sturen. Gaat inderdaad wel ten kostte van eigen voorraad, maar dat is dan maar zo.[/quote]
Nou, da's goed nieuws dan
"It's hard to argue against cynics - they always sound smarter than optimists because they have so much evidence on their side."
France to supply Ukraine with Crotale air defense system
https://mil.in.ua/en/news(...)-air-defense-system/
https://mil.in.ua/en/news(...)-air-defense-system/
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
Oorlog, luguberder en debieler wordt het niet....quote:
"It's hard to argue against cynics - they always sound smarter than optimists because they have so much evidence on their side."
Wel mooi voor die Oekraïnse soldaten nu zijn ze er redelijk zeker van dat als de tank stopt het ook veilig is. Bij een achter gelaten tank is dat altijd nog maar de vraagg (vanwege boobytraps).quote:
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
Tenzij de PM of minister van defensie het zegt is het niet waar. Die minister van diaspora heeft hier niets over te zeggen.quote:
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
Ah dus zo worden graancirkels gemaakt, het mysterie is eindelijk opgelostquote:
nielsgeode schreef het volgende:
Prachtig om te zien hoe mensen niet gehinderd door gebrek aan kennis precies denken te weten hoe het zit en daarbij de keiharde ongefundeerde conclusies ook zeer duidelijk op het forum plempen.
Prachtig om te zien hoe mensen niet gehinderd door gebrek aan kennis precies denken te weten hoe het zit en daarbij de keiharde ongefundeerde conclusies ook zeer duidelijk op het forum plempen.
quote:
Als iedereen aan zichzelf denkt wordt er aan iedereen gedacht.
Op fietsen zonder bende kwam'm zie schooieren um spek
Op fietsen zonder bende kwam'm zie schooieren um spek
Dit zijn eckte strijders broeder!quote:
"It's hard to argue against cynics - they always sound smarter than optimists because they have so much evidence on their side."
Ik heb Hem niet uit vrees voor de hel noch uit liefde voor het paradijs gediend, want dan zou ik als de slechte huurling zijn geweest; ik heb hem veeleer gediend in liefde tot Hem en in verlangen naar Hem.
-Rabia Al-Basri
-Rabia Al-Basri
quote:Op zondag 16 oktober 2022 22:13 schreef eudaemonia het volgende:
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Ah dus zo worden graancirkels gemaakt, het mysterie is eindelijk opgelost
Ik las gisteren dat er 11 soldaten in Rusland waren doodgeschoten, het binnenlands verzet komt eindelijk wat op gang
"You can call me Susan if it makes you happy"
Beter versie dan de originele.quote:
Op (nee, ik ben niet pro-Russisch)
Het is pas echt crisis als het bier op is.
Alleen was het blijkbaar niet perse verzet tegen het gemobiliseerd worden maar omdat een officier op de kazerne een opmerking maakte over allah. Zoiets dacht ik in ieder geval vandaag te lezen hier.quote:
Ik las gisteren dat er 11 soldaten in Rusland waren doodgeschoten, het binnenlands verzet komt eindelijk wat op gang
Gelukkig weet edere jonge rus hoe hij een VPN moet gebruiken.quote:
Dat is tegenwoordig een must in iedere dictatuur.
Flikker op met Israel. Dat land is geen haar beter dan de rest en mag best wel wat nederige zijn ipv zelf de aggresor.quote:
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Yep, tijd om Israel flink te steunen.
stuur die Y.M.C.A. divisie maar richting de Oekrainse grens. Kunnen ze elkaar nog een laatste keer groeten.quote:
9 jaar geleden.quote:
mogelijk allemaal reeds gesneuveld
Nee, het was een Russische officier die tegen moslims zei dat Allah een lafaard is. Een uur later werd hij door hun doodgeschoten en daarna begonnen ze op de rest te schieten. Medemoslims werden gewaarschuwd om uit de buurt te blijven.quote:
Ik las gisteren dat er 11 soldaten in Rusland waren doodgeschoten, het binnenlands verzet komt eindelijk wat op gang
Is toch altijd hetzelfde met de Russen, eerst krijgen ze anderhalf jaar lang op hun donder en daarna komen ze los en veroveren ze de halve wereld.
graag verwijderen
Nou nee.quote:
Is toch altijd hetzelfde met de Russen, eerst krijgen ze anderhalf jaar lang op hun donder en daarna komen ze los en veroveren ze de halve wereld.
Voor de dagelijkse Trumprotzooi: https://reportersonline.nl/auteur/kirsten-verdel/
Kijk live hoe Trump zijn eigen land sloopt: https://www.project2025.observer/
Kijk live hoe Trump zijn eigen land sloopt: https://www.project2025.observer/
De oorlog/speciale operatie is nu ~10 maanden bezig. Over 8 maanden (1,5 jaar op hun donder gehad) zullen we dus zien hoe ce vlag erbij hangt.quote:
Is toch altijd hetzelfde met de Russen, eerst krijgen ze anderhalf jaar lang op hun donder en daarna komen ze los en veroveren ze de halve wereld.
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Echt waar gaat dit nog over? Dus een grote van bijna 10% van de opgeroepte mobilisatie heeft zich over willen geven, ben benieuwd hoeveel hiervan zich al gemeld hadden voordat ze uberhaubt in Oekraine zouden zijn?quote:
De Ukrainers waren aan het oprukken nadat ze Lyman hadden veroverd. De Russen die zich hadden teruggetrokken waren nog bezig met hun verdedigingslijnen opzetten. Om tijd te winnen hebben ze de conscripts opgeofferd door hun kansloze tegenaanvallen te laten doen.
Dit zijn de conscripts die 2 maanden training was beloofd maar onmiddelijk naar het front zijn gestuurd om de Ukrainers bezig te houden en een week na hun conscriptie al dood zijn.
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Dit zijn de conscripts die 2 maanden training was beloofd maar onmiddelijk naar het front zijn gestuurd om de Ukrainers bezig te houden en een week na hun conscriptie al dood zijn.
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De oorlog/speciale operatie is nu ~10 maanden bezig. Over 8 maanden (1,5 jaar op hun donder gehad) zullen we dus zien hoe ce vlag erbij hangt.
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Op fietsen zonder bende kwam'm zie schooieren um spek
At a restaurant in Moscow, police present conscription orders to a diner who says he's celebrating his daughter's birthday.
https://www.washingtonpos(...)ia-mobilization-men/
https://www.washingtonpos(...)ia-mobilization-men/
Valt me tegen van UAWeapons, dit is fake news. 1 van de bemanningsleden was namelijk helemaal niet gewond.quote:
Bron:
https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)enades_on_a_russian/
Misschien toch even wat geschiedenisboeken nalezen. Of is jouw definitie van 'altijd' en 'halve wereld' anders?quote:
Is toch altijd hetzelfde met de Russen, eerst krijgen ze anderhalf jaar lang op hun donder en daarna komen ze los en veroveren ze de halve wereld.
Цой жив
https://aumag.net/russia-(...)to-fight-in-ukraine/
Russia grabs men off the streets to fight in Ukraine
Police and military officers stormed a Moscow business center unannounced this week. They were looking for men to fight in Ukraine - and they grabbed almost everyone they saw. Some musicians practicing. A courier there to deliver a package. A man from a service agency in Moscow, very drunk, in his mid-50s, with difficulty walking.
"I have no idea why they took him," said Alexei, who like dozens of others in the office complex was rounded up and taken to the nearest military recruitment office, part of a harsh new phase in the Russian tour.
In towns and cities across Russia, men of fighting age hide to avoid the officials who seize them and send them to fight in Ukraine.
Police and military press gangs have in recent days grabbed men from the streets and outside metro stations. They have been lurking in apartment building lobbies to hand out military drafts. They have searched office blocks and hostels. They have invaded cafes and restaurants and blocked the exits.
In a pre-dawn sweep of the MIPSTROY1 construction company's dormitories on Thursday, they took more than 200 men. On Sunday, they gathered dozens at a shelter in Moscow for the homeless.
Officials raided MIPSTROY1 construction company dormitories on October 13 and took more than 200 men. (Video: @mozhemobyasnit | Telegram)
The press gangs seem to drop down at random. It's terrifying - and at times comically random. Alexei, a pacifist of 30 years, lives with his cat, and until Russia pulled him away, he enjoyed hanging out with friends in bars, cafes and parks, going to concerts and planning his next holiday in Europe. (He and others in this report spoke on the condition that his last name be withheld for his safety. The Washington Post has confirmed the raid but could not independently verify the details he provided.)
Russia's airstrikes, intended to show power, reveal another weakness
An official entered Alexei's office on Tuesday. Two police officers and several plainclothes military officials arrived and demanded his identification. They ordered him to go quietly with them "or we will use force," he said.
"I was panicking," he said. "I had never been detained before. Everyone knows that if you are detained by the police in Russia, it is very bad.
Suffering massive military losses and repeated defeats in Ukraine, Russia has begun to cannibalize its male population. The hard-eyed pundits on state television demand more Ukrainian blood and more sacrifices from Russian men, who they say have become too used to a soft life.
But the new phase of Putin's mobilization risks undermining Russians' tacit support for the war and even his manufactured popularity - and could create social unrest. Especially in Moscow and St. Petersburg, major cities that have been largely untouched by the war until now.
More than 300,000 Russian men and their families have fled Russia since the mobilization, reports from neighboring countries show. The authorities have set up mobilization points at border crossings to prevent departures. Many others want to go after seeing the aggressive police raids and the first reports of the newly drafted men dying in the war.
Activist Grigory Sverdlin, who left Russia and is based in Georgia, launched an organization this month, Go By The Forest, to advise men in Russia to avoid the draft. He said the group has consulted with 2,700 men in 11 days and told 60 men how to surrender in Ukraine. At least eight have succeeded, he said.
"Obviously, people are very stressed because they're worried that they're going to be pressured into shooting other people," Sverdlin said. "So people are afraid not only of themselves, but of participating in this unjust war."
At a restaurant in Moscow, police present conscription orders to a diner who says he is celebrating his daughter's birthday. (Video: The Washington Post)
Yevgeny, 24, quit his job as a mechanic and is hiding in a relative's cabin far from Moscow. He has deleted his social media profiles and cut off contact with friends. He spends his days working in the garden and he goes to bed early and watches a lot of YouTube.
"I don't want to kill people and I don't want to be killed, so I really have to lay low now," he said. "But even here I don't feel safe. We live in a time when your neighbors could report you. They might call the police and say there's a young guy living in this house when he should be fighting fascists in Ukraine."
Yevgeny never supported the war. Now he has stopped driving for fear of being pulled over by the police. He can't leave Russia because he has no passport, and even going to the store in the small village feels risky.
As Putin escalates the war, some in Russia's business elite are despairing
"I'm panicking and my mother is very nervous," he said. "I'm stressed and I'm depressed. I try not to think about how long this could go on, because you can go crazy."
Two of his friends are worse off. They were called up at the end of last month, he said, and with a little training they are on their way to the front.
"I have a couple of friends who supported the war and believed that there are Nazis there who are killing poor Ukrainians and that Ukrainians should be freed and so on. But they change their minds after mobilization. They have started asking questions and surfing the Internet for information," said Yevgeny.
"They don't want to die, especially when you don't understand why you have to die," he said. "What's the point?"
As morale suffers, Russia and Ukraine are fighting a war of mental attrition
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that 222,000 of the 300,000 targets had been summoned and that the process would be completed within two weeks. Pro-war hard-liners insist a second round will be necessary.
The raids in Moscow and St. Petersburg has been deeply controversial, partly because the cities have suffered relatively few losses in Ukraine. The burden of struggle has largely been borne by small ethnic groups and poorly educated men from poor rural areas.
In a sign that the government fears a growing urban backlash over the raids, Andrei Klishas, a senior member of Putin's United Russia party, said on Friday that the conscription effort was illegal.
"It is inadmissible to arbitrarily seize everyone on the street," he said.
Anti-war sentiment may harden as the bodies of soldiers deployed just weeks earlier begin to return home for burial. Alexei Martynov, the 29-year-old head of a government department in Moscow, was mobilized on September 23 and was killed on October 10. He was buried last week. Five soldiers from the southern Ural region, mobilized on September 26 and 29, were killed in Ukraine in early October, Chelyabinsk authorities reported.
A woman angrily berated a team that delivered military drafts in the lobby of her apartment building in St. Petersburg. (Video: SOTA)
A comrade of the Chelyabinsk men who survived a stunning Ukrainian assault called a friend and described what happened, according to the transcript of a phone call published by BBC News Russian. He said he had received no education. When he fled, he said, there were bodies everywhere.
"We got there the first day, never having fired a shot, and they sent us, like meat, straight to an assault unit with two grenade launchers. At least I had read the instructions on how to use them." By day 3, the soldier and his comrades were in the front line trenches.
Almost daily, videos appear on Russian social media of conscript soldiers, angry because they have not been given decent uniforms, weapons, training or quarters. Testimonies of men who should have been exempted from being sent to combat are common. Aleksei Sachkov, a 45-year-old Moscow doctor, signed a contract to treat wounded soldiers in Voronezh, Russia, near the border with Ukraine. He stopped calling his wife, Natalia, on September 24. She heard from Russia's military hotline a week later that he was fighting in Ukraine as part of a tank unit, she said in a video posted online.
As the war in Ukraine falters, Russians are asking a risky question: Can Putin fall?
As unrest grows, men of military age are being turned back at the borders as they try to leave the country. In March, weeks after Putin launched the invasion, he promised there would be no mobilization. But last month he cut off the tacit assurance that the conflict would be fought only by professional soldiers in return for the Russian public's passive acceptance of the war. Widespread anger at Putin's September 21 announcement suggests that public support for the war is lower than the Kremlin claims.
"It's the pain of the regime because a very common view in Russia now is that this war is lost," Sverdlin said. "And it seems that just issuing subpoenas, detaining many thousands of people and sending them to war is just buying this regime a little more time. But it's just buying time, because of course these people who were caught on street now, don't make good soldiers because they don't know how to fight."
As the backlash intensifies, some Russians are confronting authorities and recording videos. A woman berated a team in the lobby of her apartment complex in St. Petersburg. A Russian truck driver posted a video of himself confronting a police officer and a military official who tried to take him to the enlistment office.
"I don't give a s--- about your mobilization. You are the one entitled, not me. After all, you have a gun, not me. Why don't you go and mobilize yourself?"
The police officer tried to write a charge and demanded the driver's documents.
"I'm not giving you my documents. Why should I?" the truck driver said, "If you fail to bring order to your country, why do it in another country? And where? By just destroying it completely?"
A Russian truck driver posted a video of himself confronting a police officer and a military official who tried to take him to the enlistment office. (Video: Svoboda Slova)
Putin faces the limits of his military power as Ukraine reclaims land
In the raucous din of the military recruiting office where Alexei ended up, he said, many of the men were agitated, some were furious and others shrank into themselves. They stood in line at one office after another, where they were forced to sign the military draft, submit their documents and undergo a medical examination. Many were office workers seized on the street. A "strange" couple told Alexei that they were volunteers looking for an exciting lifestyle change.
He was shocked at how many men meekly donned the army uniforms handed to them and let themselves be led, apparently straight to training bases. One of his work colleagues was among them.
"I saw men who were lost and confused, and at the same time very weak," he said. "They didn't want to fight for themselves. They got papers and signed them all obediently. They weren't focused. They just stared off into space like they'd given up."
For Alexei, the threats and bluffing continued for hours as officials pressured him to sign the draft. He refused. The police were called. The did nothing, but a police guard at the door would not let him go.
He watched the lines of nervous men. The drunken city worker lay in a deep sleep. A member of the elite Russian Guard special police threw a noisy tantrum at the attempt to enlist him.
Alexei called a lawyer. He entered the military commissar's office, filmed him on his mobile phone and demanded to know the legal basis for detaining him.
"He became very angry and shouted at me to leave his office." At 8 pm he was finally allowed to go. Now he wants to leave Russia, but fears that he may be conscripted at the border.
"I'll wait until this is over, somewhere safe."
Russia grabs men off the streets to fight in Ukraine
Police and military officers stormed a Moscow business center unannounced this week. They were looking for men to fight in Ukraine - and they grabbed almost everyone they saw. Some musicians practicing. A courier there to deliver a package. A man from a service agency in Moscow, very drunk, in his mid-50s, with difficulty walking.
"I have no idea why they took him," said Alexei, who like dozens of others in the office complex was rounded up and taken to the nearest military recruitment office, part of a harsh new phase in the Russian tour.
In towns and cities across Russia, men of fighting age hide to avoid the officials who seize them and send them to fight in Ukraine.
Police and military press gangs have in recent days grabbed men from the streets and outside metro stations. They have been lurking in apartment building lobbies to hand out military drafts. They have searched office blocks and hostels. They have invaded cafes and restaurants and blocked the exits.
In a pre-dawn sweep of the MIPSTROY1 construction company's dormitories on Thursday, they took more than 200 men. On Sunday, they gathered dozens at a shelter in Moscow for the homeless.
Officials raided MIPSTROY1 construction company dormitories on October 13 and took more than 200 men. (Video: @mozhemobyasnit | Telegram)
The press gangs seem to drop down at random. It's terrifying - and at times comically random. Alexei, a pacifist of 30 years, lives with his cat, and until Russia pulled him away, he enjoyed hanging out with friends in bars, cafes and parks, going to concerts and planning his next holiday in Europe. (He and others in this report spoke on the condition that his last name be withheld for his safety. The Washington Post has confirmed the raid but could not independently verify the details he provided.)
Russia's airstrikes, intended to show power, reveal another weakness
An official entered Alexei's office on Tuesday. Two police officers and several plainclothes military officials arrived and demanded his identification. They ordered him to go quietly with them "or we will use force," he said.
"I was panicking," he said. "I had never been detained before. Everyone knows that if you are detained by the police in Russia, it is very bad.
Suffering massive military losses and repeated defeats in Ukraine, Russia has begun to cannibalize its male population. The hard-eyed pundits on state television demand more Ukrainian blood and more sacrifices from Russian men, who they say have become too used to a soft life.
But the new phase of Putin's mobilization risks undermining Russians' tacit support for the war and even his manufactured popularity - and could create social unrest. Especially in Moscow and St. Petersburg, major cities that have been largely untouched by the war until now.
More than 300,000 Russian men and their families have fled Russia since the mobilization, reports from neighboring countries show. The authorities have set up mobilization points at border crossings to prevent departures. Many others want to go after seeing the aggressive police raids and the first reports of the newly drafted men dying in the war.
Activist Grigory Sverdlin, who left Russia and is based in Georgia, launched an organization this month, Go By The Forest, to advise men in Russia to avoid the draft. He said the group has consulted with 2,700 men in 11 days and told 60 men how to surrender in Ukraine. At least eight have succeeded, he said.
"Obviously, people are very stressed because they're worried that they're going to be pressured into shooting other people," Sverdlin said. "So people are afraid not only of themselves, but of participating in this unjust war."
At a restaurant in Moscow, police present conscription orders to a diner who says he is celebrating his daughter's birthday. (Video: The Washington Post)
Yevgeny, 24, quit his job as a mechanic and is hiding in a relative's cabin far from Moscow. He has deleted his social media profiles and cut off contact with friends. He spends his days working in the garden and he goes to bed early and watches a lot of YouTube.
"I don't want to kill people and I don't want to be killed, so I really have to lay low now," he said. "But even here I don't feel safe. We live in a time when your neighbors could report you. They might call the police and say there's a young guy living in this house when he should be fighting fascists in Ukraine."
Yevgeny never supported the war. Now he has stopped driving for fear of being pulled over by the police. He can't leave Russia because he has no passport, and even going to the store in the small village feels risky.
As Putin escalates the war, some in Russia's business elite are despairing
"I'm panicking and my mother is very nervous," he said. "I'm stressed and I'm depressed. I try not to think about how long this could go on, because you can go crazy."
Two of his friends are worse off. They were called up at the end of last month, he said, and with a little training they are on their way to the front.
"I have a couple of friends who supported the war and believed that there are Nazis there who are killing poor Ukrainians and that Ukrainians should be freed and so on. But they change their minds after mobilization. They have started asking questions and surfing the Internet for information," said Yevgeny.
"They don't want to die, especially when you don't understand why you have to die," he said. "What's the point?"
As morale suffers, Russia and Ukraine are fighting a war of mental attrition
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that 222,000 of the 300,000 targets had been summoned and that the process would be completed within two weeks. Pro-war hard-liners insist a second round will be necessary.
The raids in Moscow and St. Petersburg has been deeply controversial, partly because the cities have suffered relatively few losses in Ukraine. The burden of struggle has largely been borne by small ethnic groups and poorly educated men from poor rural areas.
In a sign that the government fears a growing urban backlash over the raids, Andrei Klishas, a senior member of Putin's United Russia party, said on Friday that the conscription effort was illegal.
"It is inadmissible to arbitrarily seize everyone on the street," he said.
Anti-war sentiment may harden as the bodies of soldiers deployed just weeks earlier begin to return home for burial. Alexei Martynov, the 29-year-old head of a government department in Moscow, was mobilized on September 23 and was killed on October 10. He was buried last week. Five soldiers from the southern Ural region, mobilized on September 26 and 29, were killed in Ukraine in early October, Chelyabinsk authorities reported.
A woman angrily berated a team that delivered military drafts in the lobby of her apartment building in St. Petersburg. (Video: SOTA)
A comrade of the Chelyabinsk men who survived a stunning Ukrainian assault called a friend and described what happened, according to the transcript of a phone call published by BBC News Russian. He said he had received no education. When he fled, he said, there were bodies everywhere.
"We got there the first day, never having fired a shot, and they sent us, like meat, straight to an assault unit with two grenade launchers. At least I had read the instructions on how to use them." By day 3, the soldier and his comrades were in the front line trenches.
Almost daily, videos appear on Russian social media of conscript soldiers, angry because they have not been given decent uniforms, weapons, training or quarters. Testimonies of men who should have been exempted from being sent to combat are common. Aleksei Sachkov, a 45-year-old Moscow doctor, signed a contract to treat wounded soldiers in Voronezh, Russia, near the border with Ukraine. He stopped calling his wife, Natalia, on September 24. She heard from Russia's military hotline a week later that he was fighting in Ukraine as part of a tank unit, she said in a video posted online.
As the war in Ukraine falters, Russians are asking a risky question: Can Putin fall?
As unrest grows, men of military age are being turned back at the borders as they try to leave the country. In March, weeks after Putin launched the invasion, he promised there would be no mobilization. But last month he cut off the tacit assurance that the conflict would be fought only by professional soldiers in return for the Russian public's passive acceptance of the war. Widespread anger at Putin's September 21 announcement suggests that public support for the war is lower than the Kremlin claims.
"It's the pain of the regime because a very common view in Russia now is that this war is lost," Sverdlin said. "And it seems that just issuing subpoenas, detaining many thousands of people and sending them to war is just buying this regime a little more time. But it's just buying time, because of course these people who were caught on street now, don't make good soldiers because they don't know how to fight."
As the backlash intensifies, some Russians are confronting authorities and recording videos. A woman berated a team in the lobby of her apartment complex in St. Petersburg. A Russian truck driver posted a video of himself confronting a police officer and a military official who tried to take him to the enlistment office.
"I don't give a s--- about your mobilization. You are the one entitled, not me. After all, you have a gun, not me. Why don't you go and mobilize yourself?"
The police officer tried to write a charge and demanded the driver's documents.
"I'm not giving you my documents. Why should I?" the truck driver said, "If you fail to bring order to your country, why do it in another country? And where? By just destroying it completely?"
A Russian truck driver posted a video of himself confronting a police officer and a military official who tried to take him to the enlistment office. (Video: Svoboda Slova)
Putin faces the limits of his military power as Ukraine reclaims land
In the raucous din of the military recruiting office where Alexei ended up, he said, many of the men were agitated, some were furious and others shrank into themselves. They stood in line at one office after another, where they were forced to sign the military draft, submit their documents and undergo a medical examination. Many were office workers seized on the street. A "strange" couple told Alexei that they were volunteers looking for an exciting lifestyle change.
He was shocked at how many men meekly donned the army uniforms handed to them and let themselves be led, apparently straight to training bases. One of his work colleagues was among them.
"I saw men who were lost and confused, and at the same time very weak," he said. "They didn't want to fight for themselves. They got papers and signed them all obediently. They weren't focused. They just stared off into space like they'd given up."
For Alexei, the threats and bluffing continued for hours as officials pressured him to sign the draft. He refused. The police were called. The did nothing, but a police guard at the door would not let him go.
He watched the lines of nervous men. The drunken city worker lay in a deep sleep. A member of the elite Russian Guard special police threw a noisy tantrum at the attempt to enlist him.
Alexei called a lawyer. He entered the military commissar's office, filmed him on his mobile phone and demanded to know the legal basis for detaining him.
"He became very angry and shouted at me to leave his office." At 8 pm he was finally allowed to go. Now he wants to leave Russia, but fears that he may be conscripted at the border.
"I'll wait until this is over, somewhere safe."
Poland says no.quote:
Is toch altijd hetzelfde met de Russen, eerst krijgen ze anderhalf jaar lang op hun donder en daarna komen ze los en veroveren ze de halve wereld.
Omnibus in omnibus.
Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam
Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam
Filmpje
https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)_recently_mobilised/
Another train load of the recently mobilised arrives for deployment - drunk, disorganised, and disrespectful to the few
officers
https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)_recently_mobilised/
Another train load of the recently mobilised arrives for deployment - drunk, disorganised, and disrespectful to the few
officers
quote:
Is toch altijd hetzelfde met de Russen, eerst krijgen ze anderhalf jaar lang op hun donder en daarna komen ze los en veroveren ze de halve wereld.
Geld maakt meer kapot dan je lief is.
Het zijn sterke ruggen die vrijheid en weelde kunnen dragen
Wees nutteloos, want zodra je nuttig bent wordt je gebruikt
Het zijn sterke ruggen die vrijheid en weelde kunnen dragen
Wees nutteloos, want zodra je nuttig bent wordt je gebruikt
Beide kanten, het is gewoon walgelijk. Rusland en de Oekraine. Het was hetzelfde in Afghanistan en Syrie, opgefokte mannen onder invloed van drugs en drank. Er is niks heilig hieraan of normaal, het is afschuwelijk van beide kanten.quote:
Filmpje
https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)_recently_mobilised/
Another train load of the recently mobilised arrives for deployment - drunk, disorganised, and disrespectful to the few
officers
Nowadays you have to boil people before you can sleep with them. *General's Daughter
Opvallende trol is opvallend.quote:Op maandag 17 oktober 2022 00:39 schreef Pokkehandtas het volgende:
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Beide kanten, het is gewoon walgelijk. Rusland en de Oekraine. Het was hetzelfde in Afghanistan en Syrie, opgefokte mannen onder invloed van drugs en drank. Er is niks heilig hieraan of normaal, het is afschuwelijk van beide kanten.
Die zijn binnen twee weken dood.quote:
Filmpje
https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)_recently_mobilised/
Another train load of the recently mobilised arrives for deployment - drunk, disorganised, and disrespectful to the few
officers
wutquote:
[..]
Beide kanten, het is gewoon walgelijk. Rusland en de Oekraine. Het was hetzelfde in Afghanistan en Syrie, opgefokte mannen onder invloed van drugs en drank. Er is niks heilig hieraan of normaal, het is afschuwelijk van beide kanten.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Haha wat een sukkel. Nou niet huilen maat netjes je land gaan dienen (en vergeet niet afscheid te nemen van je dochter).quote:
At a restaurant in Moscow, police present conscription orders to a diner who says he's celebrating his daughter's birthday.
https://www.washingtonpos(...)ia-mobilization-men/
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