Was je handen, houd afstand, ventileer. Nu een zomergolf over ons heen rolt, roept minister Kuipers op: houd je weer aan de coronabasisregels. Het klinkt zo simpel, maar gaan we het ook doen? Psycholoog Sabine Jansen betwijfelt dat: "Je ziet en proeft overal weerstand. Mensen moeten eerst weer voelen dat het echt nodig is."
Ben jij het type dat sinds corona consequent bokst bij een begroeting, of ben je langzaam maar zeker toch weer old school handen gaan schudden? Of ben je daar nooit helemaal mee gestopt? Hoe dan ook: als het aan de minister ligt, stoppen we voorlopig weer met het uitwisselen van virusdeeltjes via de handpalmen en wassen we onze handen weer ouderwets stuk.
Grootste vrees
Te veel ziekenhuismedewerkers die met corona uitvallen, dat is de grootste bron van zorg voor Kuipers. Psycholoog Jansen. "Voor veel mensen is die bezorgdheid niet genoeg om de urgentie van maatregelen weer écht te voelen. Behalve voor mensen die zelf in de zorg werken misschien, of die hebben meegemaakt dat de operatie van een familielid moest worden uitgesteld door de coronaproblemen in de zorg."
Jansen vervolgt: "Het kan zijn dat de minister dit zegt om het maar voorzichtig weer eens aan te stippen. Maar het kan ook zijn dat hij écht denkt dat we erger kunnen voorkomen als we ons weer aan die basismaatregelen gaan houden. Dat is nu niet duidelijk."
En dat is funest. Want om voor elkaar te krijgen dat we luisteren, moet klip en klaar zijn waarom. "Wie jonger is dan zestig en niet kwetsbaar, kan bijvoorbeeld geen herhaalprik krijgen. Dat voelt tegenstrijdig. Mensen vragen zich af hoe groot het probleem nu eigenlijk nog is."
Toch maar wel
Psycholoog Arjan de Wolf neemt het woord 'urgentie' ook regelmatig in de mond. Al denkt hij dat handen wassen en stoppen met handen schudden voor veel mensen nog niet zo'n probleem is. "We zijn daar wel aan gewend geraakt. Het beperkt ons ook niet heel erg in ons doen en laten. Datzelfde geldt voor het dragen van mondkapjes, al vinden we dat niet leuk."
Belangrijk daarbij is ook wat de mensen om je heen doen. De Wolf: "Als jij als enige in de supermarkt geen mondkapje op hebt, haal je 'm waarschijnlijk zelf toch ook tevoorschijn."
Fingers crossed dat boosters hun werk blijven doen en er geen zwaardere maatregelen nodig zijn, in het najaar bijvoorbeeld. "Tijdsblokken in winkels, beperkte bezoekersaantallen op festivals, eigenlijk alles wat ons belemmert vrij te bewegen, dat vinden we een veel lastiger verhaal."
Dat we weerstand voelen bij de gedachte aan zwaardere maatregelen, laat staan aan het L-woord, dat is wel erg menselijk: "We weten sinds de lockdowns maar al te goed hoe het voelt als onze vrijheid fors wordt ingeperkt. Bij de eerste golf wisten we dat niet."
"Stel nou, er komt een dodelijke variant, dan springen we massaal direct weer in de houding."
Hij vervolgt: "Zeker nu we de teugels zo konden laten vieren de afgelopen maanden. We gaan volop naar festivals, we boeken massaal vakanties. We hebben die vrijheid wel écht teruggepakt. Nieuwe inperkingen zouden voelen als een groot contrast."
En dan is er nog ons vertrouwen in de overheid, dat volgens De Wolf niet op het allerhoogste niveau ooit is. "Niet alleen door de corona-aanpak, maar ook door politiek gekrakeel, de stikstofkwestie, de toeslagenaffaire. Ik heb er geen harde cijfers voor, maar volgens mij is het institutioneel vertrouwen flink gedaald."
Concluderend: we gaan dus niet doen wat Den Haag van ons vraagt? Jansen: "Het is in elk geval erg moeilijk om nog draagvlak te krijgen."
Ook zonder volle ic's
Op dit moment, want ons gevoel voor urgentie kan ook zonder volle ic's en dagelijkse dodencijfers best wel weer wat groeien. Als op de werkvloer heel veel mensen met corona uitvallen bijvoorbeeld. Jansen: "Maar dat moet mensen dan wel persoonlijk raken, bijvoorbeeld als ze veel harder moeten werken omdat alle collega's ziek zijn."
De Wolf voegt daar nog aan toe: "En stel nou, er komt een dodelijke variant, dan springen we massaal direct weer in de houding."
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Here we go.
Mondkapje op en afstand houden. Zo moeilijk is dat niet. Hoewel Nederlanders heel eigenwijs zijn met mondkapjes (arrogantie).
In Portugal droeg iedereen keurig zijn mondkapje toen ik daar was op vakantie.
Aankomende week ga ik beginnen met mondkapje te dragen. Heb geen zin in nog een keer corona infectie. Vooral dat gedeelte dat mijn keel dik werd met taaie slijm erin die maar niet weg ging vond ik dood eng.quote:Op zaterdag 25 juni 2022 19:37 schreef EenAndereWeg het volgende:
Goede regels. Kijk maar wat er gebeurde toen ze alle regels 25 februari loslieten. IEDEREEN ZIEK!
Mondkapje op en afstand houden. Zo moeilijk is dat niet. Hoewel Nederlanders heel eigenwijs zijn met mondkapjes (arrogantie).
In Portugal droeg iedereen keurig zijn mondkapje toen ik daar was op vakantie.
Ik zag onlangs weer zo'n figuur met mondkap, ontsmette de winkelkar en deed handschoentjes aanquote:
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Aankomende week ga ik beginnen met mondkapje te dragen. Heb geen zin in nog een keer corona infectie. Vooral dat gedeelte dat mijn keel dik werd met taaie slijm erin die maar niet weg ging vond ik dood eng.
Mijn vader ook. Hij heeft een eigen kluszaak. Aangestoken door een klant die hoewel hij corona had hem toch liet komen.quote:
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Aankomende week ga ik beginnen met mondkapje te dragen. Heb geen zin in nog een keer corona infectie. Vooral dat gedeelte dat mijn keel dik werd met taaie slijm erin die maar niet weg ging vond ik dood eng.
En voila....LONG COVID uit het niets. PECH!! Nu maandenlang thuis omdat hij NIET KAN werken. We zitten nu met financiële problemen thuis omdat inkomsten weg gevallen zijn.
Vrijheid fors ingeperkt, het cijfer voor de kwaliteit van leven van veel mensen ging juist omhoog door de lockdowns. Die voelden zich juist vrij door die lockdowns.quote:"We weten sinds de lockdowns maar al te goed hoe het voelt als onze vrijheid fors wordt ingeperkt.
Slim. Ik heb thuis een hoog zwangere vrouw dus moet er niet aan denken om corona op te lopen.quote:Op zaterdag 25 juni 2022 19:40 schreef RedFever007 het volgende:
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Ik zag onlangs weer zo'n figuur met mondkap, ontsmette de winkelkar en deed handschoentjes aan
Ja, hier ook een gespot in de Plus.quote:
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Ik zag onlangs weer zo'n figuur met mondkap, ontsmette de winkelkar en deed handschoentjes aan
Prikjes doen we niet aan. Afstand houden en mondkapje op doen we wel.quote:
Ik haal keurig mijn prikjes als ik weer aan de beurt ben en verder zoekt hij het maar up uit
ik hou en hield me eigenlijk alleen aan de regels die gehandhaafd worden of waar je niet onderuit kon (zoals horeca bezoek).quote:
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Prikjes doen we niet aan. Afstand houden en mondkapje op doen we wel.
Je bent niet gevaccineerd en loopt iedereen de maat te nemen wat betreft Corona, lees ik dat nou goed?quote:
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Prikjes doen we niet aan. Afstand houden en mondkapje op doen we wel.
Afstand en mondkapjes werkt heel goed!!quote:
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Prikjes doen we niet aan. Afstand houden en mondkapje op doen we wel.
Zelfs met een prik kun je erg ziek worden.
DUS: Prikjes vrijblijvend laten.Creeer je ook meer draagvlak en mondkapjes en afstand verplichten!!
Wel klote als je jong bent hoor. Als de pleuris uitbreekt gaat de horeca weer op slot.
Moet je zelf weten maar als het straks weer uit de hand loopt komen er gewoon weer vaccins/boosters en coronatoegangsbewijzen.quote:
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Prikjes doen we niet aan. Afstand houden en mondkapje op doen we wel.
Daarom is het ook zo bizar dat je nu gewoon een willekeurig ziekenhuis kan binnenlopen zonder en dat het personeel pas iets van bescherming draagt bij iemand die aantoonbaar besmet is. De minister wil gewoon graag de zorg verder overbelasten ten gevolge van corona of zo, want deze ongein gaat de R nog niet 0,1 omlaag helpen.
Verschrikkelijke bangpoeperds als jou zorgen ervoor dat die maatregelen nooit weg gaan.quote:
Goede regels. Kijk maar wat er gebeurde toen ze alle regels 25 februari loslieten. IEDEREEN ZIEK!
Mondkapje op en afstand houden. Zo moeilijk is dat niet. Hoewel Nederlanders heel eigenwijs zijn met mondkapjes (arrogantie).
In Portugal droeg iedereen keurig zijn mondkapje toen ik daar was op vakantie.
Er waren wat mensen ziek? NOU EN!
Zou ook vast een luier aan doen, just to be sure.
Hier was de kermis vorige week al.quote:
Geniet nog van de komende 2 maanden, want daarna begint de kermis weer.
Wel nog lekkere zomer toch?quote:
Geniet nog van de komende 2 maanden, want daarna begint de kermis weer.
Stel je voor dit bericht kwam in maart/april....
Alle zomerfestivals afgelast.
Als de druk op de zorg weer zo hoog dreigt te worden loop ik wel weer in de pas
Tot die tijd blijft iedereen die niet besmet wil worden maar zelf lekker thuis
Jij snapt expotentiële groei duidelijk niet. Actief een pion spelen in ons groepsimmuniteitssprookje door op geen enkele manier besmetting en verspreiding te willen voorkomen = bijdragen aan verspreiding = de zorg weer overbelastenquote:
jneee
Als de druk op de zorg weer zo hoog dreigt te worden loop ik wel weer in de pas
Tot die tijd blijft iedereen die niet besmet wil worden maar zelf lekker thuis
Dus als je de zorg niet wil overbelasten moet je nu niet telkens besmet raken en anderen besmetten.
Maar onze overheid is heel goed geweest in de propaganda dat preventie zero-covid, angst en lockdown is. Een zinnige vorm van preventie is er in ons land überhaupt nog nooit toegepast, want we hebben het altijd op lockdowns laten aankomen waardoor mensen nu heilig in dat valse dilemma geloven.
Welke maatregelen heb ik benoemd? Ik zeg alleen dat mondkapjes en afstand houden prima is. Ik heb het niet over andere maatregelen.quote:
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Verschrikkelijke bangpoeperds als jou zorgen ervoor dat die maatregelen nooit weg gaan.
Er waren wat mensen ziek? NOU EN!
Zou ook vast een luier aan doen, just to be sure.
Alleen jij wilt dus perse mensen onbeschermd in de nek hijgen. Dat is jouw probleem.
Duidelijk nog nooit iets georganiseerd waar meer dan drie mensen komen. Die anderhalve meter zorgt er voor dat je capaciteit drastisch daalt, dat kan economisch in een heleboel sectoren helemaal niet uit, kost klauwen met geld.quote:
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Welke maatregelen heb ik benoemd? Ik zeg alleen dat mondkapjes en afstand houden prima is. Ik heb het niet over andere maatregelen.
Alleen jij wilt dus perse mensen onbeschermd in de nek hijgen. Dat is jouw probleem.
Maar dat boeit de zero-covidkliek niet.
Waar zijn evenementen met FFP2 en goede luchtfilters georganiseerd dan? Ken ze in Nederland niet.quote:
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Duidelijk nog nooit iets georganiseerd waar meer dan drie mensen komen. Die anderhalve meter zorgt er voor dat je capaciteit drastisch daalt, dat kan economisch in een heleboel sectoren helemaal niet uit, kost klauwen met geld.
Maar dat boeit de zero-covidkliek niet.
Maar liever de stropop van de zero-covidkliek gebruiken als het gaat om de wens effectieve preventie toe te passen, want dat boeit je verder niet natuurlijk.
Over stropoppen gesproken zeg, ik praat niet over mondkapjes. Ik praat over afstand. Dat kost klauwen met geld.quote:
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Waar zijn evenementen met FFP2 en goede luchtfilters georganiseerd dan? Ken ze in Nederland niet.
Maar liever de stropop van de zero-covidkliek gebruiken als het gaat om de wens effectieve preventie toe te passen, want dat boeit je verder niet natuurlijk.
Net als je FFP2 plannetje overigens, of je krijgt figuren die hem 6 keer hergebruiken en dan ben je nog niets opgeschoten.
Sinds dit filmpje gezien te hebben neem ik het allemaal niet meer zo serieus.
Iedereen een sneltest laten doen bij binnenkomst. Kost niet eens zoveel. Ziekte uitvallen kosten veel meer.quote:
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Duidelijk nog nooit iets georganiseerd waar meer dan drie mensen komen. Die anderhalve meter zorgt er voor dat je capaciteit drastisch daalt, dat kan economisch in een heleboel sectoren helemaal niet uit, kost klauwen met geld.
Maar dat boeit de zero-covidkliek niet.
Net had je het nog over afstand houden.quote:
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Iedereen een sneltest laten doen bij binnenkomst. Kost niet eens zoveel. Ziekte uitvallen kosten veel meer.
U draait.
En uiteraard zijn de meest angstigen ook al gretig begonnen met angst te projecteren op anderen die wel de feiten en de problematiek van een bepaald virus erkennen.
Ouderenzorg, gehandicaptenzorg en de GGZ overeind houden? Nee! Lekker verder vast laten lopen door torenhoog ziekteverzuim jaarrond omdat preventie wordt geweigerd, want daar zijn suïcidale jongeren bij gebaat.
Luchtfilters in klaslokalen? Nee lekker groepsimmuniteit met de meiden en de kinderen voortdurend thuis hebben, omdat de bezetting op scholen niet meer rond te krijgen is.
Preventie is zogenaamd alleen voor mensen die zelf niet besmet willen worden, want mensen die op een andere manier lijden (uitstel van zorg, geen school enz.) onder toenemende besmettingen kunnen lekker in de stront zakken. En long covid is juist handig om de personeelstekorten nog verder op te laten lopen, want dat is ook heel wenselijk.
Nou mondkapjes en afstand houden.quote:
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Welke maatregelen heb ik benoemd? Ik zeg alleen dat mondkapjes en afstand houden prima is. Ik heb het niet over andere maatregelen.
Alleen jij wilt dus perse mensen onbeschermd in de nek hijgen. Dat is jouw probleem.
Dat wil ik helemaal niet.
Zeker dat domme mondkapje, zorgt voor vervuiling, ziet er achterlijk en bangpoeperig uit, en werkt bewezen niet eens.
Alleen visueel is het een werkend iets omdat mensen zich als Mongolen gaan gedragen.
Begrijpelijke reactie. Ik bedoel dit alleen bij feestjes thuis. Als uitlaatklep restaurants open mits afstand tafels 1.5 meter vanelkaar. Stadions afstand even wat stoelen afstickeren. Bioscopen afstand en stoelen afstickeren en bij alles VERPLAATSEN MONDKAP OP.quote:
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Net had je het nog over afstand houden.
U draait.
Maar ik ga dan niet de feiten verdraaien en ontkennen dat zo'n simpel mondkapje een van de effectiefste vormen van preventie is en lopen projecteren dat mensen met een ruggengraat die beter bestand is tegen dat gezeik bang zijn.
Zij zien juist de realiteit en feiten van preventie onder ogen en zetten dat om in de praktijk. Sluit overigens niet uit dat veel mensen ook gewoon akelige egoïsten zijn die het allemaal niet boeit totdat ze zelf lijden onder een operatie die wordt uitgesteld. Of misschien zelfs dan niet.
Een soort 'Don't look up' mechanisme lijkt het vaak.
Zorg eerst maar voor een plan dat de maatschappij open kan blijven mocht dit nog eens gebeuren.
Dan praten we verder.
Doe je fucking werk kuipers!
Jij betaalt?quote:
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Begrijpelijke reactie. Ik bedoel dit alleen bij feestjes thuis. Als uitlaatklep restaurants open mits afstand tafels 1.5 meter vanelkaar. Stadions afstand even wat stoelen afstickeren. Bioscopen afstand en stoelen afstickeren en bij alles VERPLAATSEN MONDKAP OP.
Betaalt wat?quote:
De kosten, zo'n halflege bioscoop of stadion levert geen geld op. Die kost geld.quote:
En dan hebben we het nog niet gehad over klaslokalen, collegezalen ed.
Als je geopereerd moet worden, spring dan van een klif, dat is pas ruggengraat en niet-egoïstischquote:
Geef eerlijk toe dat ik zelf ook amper iets aan preventie doe op vaccinaties en testen na, omdat ik telkens werd gevraagd door types die nogal angstig keken of ik bang was toen ik nog wel consequent een mondkapje droeg nadat het geen verplichting meer was en ik dat gezeik zat was.
Maar ik ga dan niet de feiten verdraaien en ontkennen dat zo'n simpel mondkapje een van de effectiefste vormen van preventie is en lopen projecteren dat mensen met een ruggengraat die beter bestand is tegen dat gezeik bang zijn.
Sluit overigens niet uit dat veel mensen ook gewoon akelige egoïsten zijn die het allemaal niet boeit totdat ze zelf lijden onder een operatie die wordt uitgesteld. Of misschien zelfs dan niet.
Een soort 'Don't look up' mechanisme lijkt het vaak.
Want daardoor verslechtert onze gezondheid op bevolkingsniveau (vele paren longen en vaten elke keer een stapje achteruit na herbesmetting, hoog ziekteverzuim, daardoor weer meer burn-outs, long covid, telkens weer lockdowns in plaats van vroegtijdige fatsoenlijke preventie) daardoor het verslechteren van onze gezondheid op bevolkingsniveau. Het is een soort vicieuze cirkel met steeds slechtere zorg, steeds meer personeelstekorten, beroepsbevolking met slechte (fysiek of mentale) gezondheid door gebrek aan hulp, enz. enz. enz. Oh ja en telkens weer nieuwe varianten door de hoge circulatie waardoor de spiraal naar beneden lekker versnelt.
Het betalen van die kosten geschiedt zowel door je belastingcenten als met een beetje pech permanente gezondheidsschade, want zorg oneindig uitstellen gaat nu eenmaal niet.
Weet je wat geld kost? Door de koppigheid en eigenwijsheid van mensen de boel moeten dichtgooien omdat ze zich niet aan de basisregels houden.quote:
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De kosten, zo'n halflege bioscoop of stadion levert geen geld op. Die kost geld.
En dan hebben we het nog niet gehad over klaslokalen, collegezalen ed.
Beter op halve kracht doordraaien omdat mensen zich aan de basisregels houden dan alles dicht moeten gooien . Maar mensen weten het altijd beter in deze maatschappij helaas.
Helemaal niet. Op volle kracht doordraaien, wat dacht je daar van?quote:
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Weet je wat geld kost? Door de koppigheid en eigenwijsheid van mensen de boel moeten dichtgooien omdat ze zich niet aan de basisregels houden.
Beter op halve kracht doordraaien omdat mensen zich aan de basisregels houden dan alles dicht moeten gooien . Maar mensen weten het altijd beter in deze maatschappij helaas.
Onze achterlijke basisregels behelzen niet eens het dragen van een fatsoenlijk mondkapje op de eerder genoemde plekken. Of fatsoenlijke luchtreiniging in klaslokalen (want daar is de ventilatie vaak zo ondermaats dat de leerprestaties verslechteren, dus los van covid al een bijzonder wenselijke investering).quote:
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Weet je wat geld kost? Door de koppigheid en eigenwijsheid van mensen de boel moeten dichtgooien omdat ze zich niet aan de basisregels houden.
Beter op halve kracht doordraaien omdat mensen zich aan de basisregels houden dan alles dicht moeten gooien . Maar mensen weten het altijd beter in deze maatschappij helaas.
Alleen handen wassen, 1,5 m afstand en geen handen schudden zijn de huidige basisregels, maar die doen niks significants met de R.
Je kan mensen niet sturen dus gooi alles maar dicht voor altijd.quote:
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Weet je wat geld kost? Door de koppigheid en eigenwijsheid van mensen de boel moeten dichtgooien omdat ze zich niet aan de basisregels houden.
Beter op halve kracht doordraaien omdat mensen zich aan de basisregels houden dan alles dicht moeten gooien . Maar mensen weten het altijd beter in deze maatschappij helaas.
Dan gaat de economie alsnog plat en veel erger dan als je de basisregels in acht zou nemen.quote:
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Helemaal niet. Op volle kracht doordraaien, wat dacht je daar van?
Den aan volle ziekenhuizen. Uitval op het werk. Bedrijven met enorm ziekteverzuim. Gezinnen die in de problemen raken als de klachten lang aanhouden.
Op volle kracht is mooi maar dat werkt helaas niet en vooral in Nederland niet.
Telkens als we het deden ging het minder.quote:
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Dan gaat de economie alsnog plat en veel erger dan als je de basisregels in acht zou nemen.
Den aan volle ziekenhuizen. Uitval op het werk. Bedrijven met enorm ziekteverzuim. Gezinnen die in de problemen raken als de klachten lang aanhouden.
Op volle kracht is mooi maar dat werkt helaas niet en vooral in Nederland niet.
Als we gingen lockdownen begonnen de problemen, Den aan volle ziekenhuizen. Uitval op het werk. Bedrijven met enorm ziekteverzuim. Gezinnen die in de problemen raken als de klachten lang aanhouden.
Paar mensen met Corona op de IC raakt de maatschappij niet.
Het verheerlijken van thuis werken en je om een scheet ziekmelden schaadt enorm.
Gewoon stug doorgaan, ebt uitwijken naar Duitsland en mijn God vergroot die IC nou eens.
Maar wij moeten onszelf weer zo ver mogelijk afzwakken door een wappienarratief te verspreiden (mensen die geen pion willen zijn in de groepsimmuniteitsleugen en niet willen meedoen aan verspreiding en besmetting zijn bang en moeten zichzelf maar beschermen) waardoor basale preventie die in andere landen succesvol is en lockdowns voorkomt op grote schaal wordt geweigerd.
Ik weet ook niet of er nog een weg terug is tbh, want alle preventie- en groepsimmuniteitspropaganda en valse dilemma's overheersen ook in dit topic weer zeer hardnekkig.
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Dus dat helaas.. Dat is ook de reden dat in Belgie afgelopen kerst alles wel open bleef. Vrienden van me die naar Belgie waren gegaan begrepen ook waarom. Iedereen hield zich keurig aan de basisregels (in Duitsland ook).quote:
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Je kan mensen niet sturen dus gooi alles maar dicht voor altijd.
Maar in Nederland is het : 'moak ik zelluf wel uuiiitt laat me niet muilkorfeeehhh.... uche uch hatsjoe'
Is de zorg al opgeschaald?quote:
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Dus dat helaas.. Dat is ook de reden dat in Belgie afgelopen kerst alles wel open bleef. Vrienden van me die naar Belgie waren gegaan begrepen ook waarom. Iedereen hield zich keurig aan de basisregels (in Duitsland ook).
Maar in Nederland is het : 'moak ik zelluf wel uuiiitt laat me niet muilkorfeeehhh.... uche uch hatsjoe'
Neequote:
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Jij snapt expotentiële groei duidelijk niet. Actief een pion spelen in ons groepsimmuniteitssprookje door op geen enkele manier besmetting en verspreiding te willen voorkomen = bijdragen aan verspreiding = de zorg weer overbelasten
Dus als je de zorg niet wil overbelasten moet je nu niet telkens besmet raken en anderen besmetten.
Maar onze overheid is heel goed geweest in de propaganda dat preventie zero-covid, angst en lockdown is. Een zinnige vorm van preventie is er in ons land überhaupt nog nooit toegepast, want we hebben het altijd op lockdowns laten aankomen waardoor mensen nu heilig in dat valse dilemma geloven.
Als ik ziek ben blijf ik thuis. Als de druk op de zorg toeneemt haal ik een prik, als ik ergens mondkapjes moet dragen doe ik dat.
Verder wil ik graag leven. Dank
Wil je minder ziekteverzuim in de zorg laat ze dan niet thuisblijven met een coronasnotneus.
Dat is wat telkens is gedaan, omdat er geen keus meer was na het edgen op het rand van de capaciteit voor code zwart, maar jij denkt dat het deze keer wel een succes gaat worden?quote:Op zaterdag 25 juni 2022 21:10 schreef MichaelScott het volgende:
Nee bedankt.
Wil je minder ziekteverzuim in de zorg laat ze dan niet thuisblijven met een coronasnotneus.
Er is altijd keus.quote:
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Dat is wat telkens is gedaan, omdat er geen keus meer was na het edgen op het rand van de capaciteit voor code zwart, maar jij denkt dat het deze keer wel een succes gaat worden?
Ben jij al bezig met omscholen als jij het zoveel beter kan? Of blijft het bij een denigrerende hooghartige toon aanslaan?quote:
Dit najaar krijgen we 100% zeker weer een nieuwe lockdown aangezien de zorg om het minste of geringste overbelast raakt.
Je kunt je pijlen beter richten op de VVD want zij zijn verantwoordelijk voor deze puinhoop.quote:
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Ben jij al bezig met omscholen als jij het zoveel beter kan? Of blijft het bij een denigrerende hooghartige toon aanslaan?
Met jouw moralistische gejank schieten we ook niets op.quote:
We zijn echt in een soort oneindige 'Don't look up' cirkel beland van lekker wegkijken en niet mijn probleem. Is hunnie zijn fout! En dan mogen andere mensen wiens fout het ook niet is gewoon de tering krijgen.
Een lockdown an sich zorgt natuurlijk niet voor volle ziekenhuizen, uitval op het werk en een hoog ziekteverzuim. Het gevolg van deze problemen is een lockdown, niet andersom.quote:
Telkens als we het deden ging het minder.
Als we gingen lockdownen begonnen de problemen, Den aan volle ziekenhuizen. Uitval op het werk. Bedrijven met enorm ziekteverzuim. Gezinnen die in de problemen raken als de klachten lang aanhouden.
Nee tuurlijk niet.quote:
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Een lockdown an sich zorgt natuurlijk niet voor volle ziekenhuizen, uitval op het werk en een hoog ziekteverzuim. Het gevolg van deze problemen is een lockdown, niet andersom.
Telkens is de lockdown en de paniek de oorzaak geweest.
Stel je dondert iedereen op de IC en besteedt er verder geen ruchtbaarheden aan. Dan wisten we het niet eens dat er een ander virus was.
Nee juist de “blijf thuis bij klachten” heeft de zorg en alles platgelegd.
Zo werkt dat niet. Op een gegeven moment lopen IC's te vol en kom je tegen de grenzen van je zorgstelsel aan. Dan kan je niet volstaan met er geen ruchtbaarheid aan te geven, terwijl de toestroom exponentieel toeneemt. Die toestroom moet omlaag. Dat los je niet op met een hand voor je ogen doen en "ik zie ze niet, dus ze zijn er niet".quote:
Nee tuurlijk niet.
Telkens is de lockdown en de paniek de oorzaak geweest.
Stel je dondert iedereen op de IC en besteedt er verder geen ruchtbaarheden aan. Dan wisten we het niet eens dat er een ander virus was.
Nee juist de “blijf thuis bij klachten” heeft de zorg en alles platgelegd.
Als we geen "blijf thuis bij klachten" hadden ingevoerd was er meer zorgpersoneel inzetbaar geweest. Het aantal IC opnames zou dan echter waarschijnlijk vele malen hoger zijn geweest, waardoor je alsnog een tekort aan zorgpersoneel had gehad.
Geloof jij dat maar.quote:
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Zo werkt dat niet. Op een gegeven moment lopen IC's te vol en kom je tegen de grenzen van je zorgstelsel aan. Dan kan je niet volstaan met er geen ruchtbaarheid aan te geven, terwijl de toestroom exponentieel toeneemt. Die toestroom moet omlaag. Dat los je niet op met een hand voor je ogen doen en "ik zie ze niet, dus ze zijn er niet".
Als we geen "blijf thuis bij klachten" hadden ingevoerd was er meer zorgpersoneel inzetbaar geweest. Het aantal IC opnames zou dan echter waarschijnlijk vele malen hoger zijn geweest, waardoor je alsnog een tekort aan zorgpersoneel had gehad.
Ja, want jij weet natuurlijk wel beter. Dat blijkt ook wel duidelijk uit deze reactie.quote:
Hebben we als Nederland zijnde toch even een kans laten liggen zeg, door Kuipers aan te stellen als minister in plaats van Lospedrosa.
Dus, accepteren dat niet iedereen te redden is en er voorrang wordt gegeven aan gevaccineerde mensen vs. ongevaccineerden (want als je expres niet meedoet moet je ook de consequenties maar ondergaan).
Een nazi zal ik je niet noemen, tenslotte mag een ieder zijn mening hebben. Een samenleving op "pauze" zetten vanwege een gebrek aan capaciteit doe je niet zomaar. Dat mensen hier mentaal last van kunnen hebben en de rek er nu wel uit is kan ik best begrijpen, maar als je kijkt naar het ziekteverzuim in de zorg nu nog, dan is daar de rek er nog steeds uit.quote:
Ik zal wel voor nazi uitgemaakt worden, maar de hele samenleving weer op "pauze" zetten omdat we voor een heel specifieke aandoening geen capaciteit hebben, lijkt mij echt veel te ver gaan. Dat hebben we de laatste twee jaar gedaan en de rek is daar wel uit (nog afgezien van de vraag of je als overheid überhaupt wel zulke beperkingen op mag leggen).
We kunnen dan wel gaan wijzen naar allerlei verantwoordelijken die ten grondslag liggen aan het uitkleden van de zorgsector. Dat is allemaal prima, maar dat lost het probleem niet op.
Je vraagt je af of de overheid bepaalde beperkingen op mag leggen, maar gevaccineerden voorrang geven op ongevaccineerden vind je wel prima? Terwijl dat geen toegestaan criterium is.quote:
Dus, accepteren dat niet iedereen te redden is en er voorrang wordt gegeven aan gevaccineerde mensen vs. ongevaccineerden (want als je expres niet meedoet moet je ook de consequenties maar ondergaan).
Hahaha typisch weer inderdaad, Trump rallies worden meteen gelinkt aan enorme covid spikes terwijl BLM rallies totaal geen invloed op covid spikes hebben. Wie verzint deze onzin?quote:
Sinds dit filmpje gezien te hebben neem ik het allemaal niet meer zo serieus.
Corona is zoooooo 2019-2020
Ga toch weg man met je mondkapjequote:
Goede regels. Kijk maar wat er gebeurde toen ze alle regels 25 februari loslieten. IEDEREEN ZIEK!
Mondkapje op en afstand houden. Zo moeilijk is dat niet. Hoewel Nederlanders heel eigenwijs zijn met mondkapjes (arrogantie).
In Portugal droeg iedereen keurig zijn mondkapje toen ik daar was op vakantie.
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Ik zag onlangs weer zo'n figuur met mondkap, ontsmette de winkelkar en deed handschoentjes aan
Ja en?quote:
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Ja, hier ook een gespot in de Plus.
Iedere wappie zit hier steeds te roepen dat "de zwakken" zich maar moeten beschermen want alles moet open blijven. Maar zodra iemand dat doet dan wordt dat weer belachelijk gevonden.
De zwakkequote:Op zondag 26 juni 2022 00:07 schreef Nieuwschierig het volgende:
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Ja en?
Iedere wappie zit hier steeds te roepen dat "de zwakken" zich maar moeten beschermen want alles moet open blijven. Maar zodra iemand dat doet dan wordt dat weer belachelijk gevonden.
fitte 20rsDaar heb je wel een punt. Laat iedereen gewoon doen wat goed voelt zonder opgelegde regels.quote:
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Ja en?
Iedere wappie zit hier steeds te roepen dat "de zwakken" zich maar moeten beschermen want alles moet open blijven. Maar zodra iemand dat doet dan wordt dat weer belachelijk gevonden.
Nederlanders zijn helaas het enige volk dat zo massaal tegen mondkapjes is op deze wereldbol.quote:
Daarom verdienen wij ook deze kriharde lockdowns. Je krijgt de regering die je verdient.
Omdat het compleet debiel is, maar we zijn wel zo tolerant om iedereen die keuze te laten maken, toch?quote:
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Nederlanders zijn helaas het enige volk dat zo massaal tegen mondkapjes is op deze wereldbol.
Daarom verdienen wij ook deze kriharde lockdowns. Je krijgt de regering die je verdient.
Kom maar met dat onderzoek dan, liefst meerdere. Ik gok maar even dat je dat niet kan leveren.quote:
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Nou mondkapjes en afstand houden.
Dat wil ik helemaal niet.
Zeker dat domme mondkapje, zorgt voor vervuiling, ziet er achterlijk en bangpoeperig uit, en werkt bewezen niet eens.
Alleen visueel is het een werkend iets omdat mensen zich als Mongolen gaan gedragen.
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Kom maar met dat onderzoek dan, liefst meerdere. Ik gok maar even dat je dat niet kan leveren.
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Dit is het ja? Dit is je antwoord?quote:
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Op INEFFECTIVENESS
1) Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers, Bundgaard, 2021 “Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants (2.1%). The between-group difference was −0.3 percentage point (95% CI, −1.2 to 0.4 percentage point; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI, 0.54 to 1.23]; P = 0.33). Multiple imputation accounting for loss to follow-up yielded similar results…the recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use.”
2) SARS-CoV-2 Transmission among Marine Recruits during Quarantine, Letizia, 2020 “Our study showed that in a group of predominantly young male military recruits, approximately 2% became positive for SARS-CoV-2, as determined by qPCR assay, during a 2-week, strictly enforced quarantine. Multiple, independent virus strain transmission clusters were identified…all recruits wore double-layered cloth masks at all times indoors and outdoors.”
3) Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses, Jefferson, 2020 “There is low certainty evidence from nine trials (3507 participants) that wearing a mask may make little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness (ILI) compared to not wearing a mask (risk ratio (RR) 0.99, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.82 to 1.18. There is moderate certainty evidence that wearing a mask probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza compared to not wearing a mask (RR 0.91, 95% CI 0.66 to 1.26; 6 trials; 3005 participants)…the pooled results of randomised trials did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks during seasonal influenza.”
4) The Impact of Community Masking on COVID-19: A Cluster-Randomized Trial in Bangladesh, Abaluck, 2021
Heneghan et al. A cluster-randomized trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh from November 2020 to April 2021 (N=600 villages, N=342,126 adults. Heneghan writes: “In a Bangladesh study, surgical masks reduced symptomatic COVID infections by between 0 and 22 percent, while the efficacy of cloth masks led to somewhere between an 11 percent increase to a 21 percent decrease. Hence, based on these randomized studies, adult masks appear to have either no or limited efficacy.”
5) Evidence for Community Cloth Face Masking to Limit the Spread of SARS-CoV-2: A Critical Review, Liu/CATO, 2021 “The available clinical evidence of facemask efficacy is of low quality and the best available clinical evidence has mostly failed to show efficacy, with fourteen of sixteen identified randomized controlled trials comparing face masks to no mask controls failing to find statistically significant benefit in the intent-to-treat populations. Of sixteen quantitative meta-analyses, eight were equivocal or critical as to whether evidence supports a public recommendation of masks, and the remaining eight supported a public mask intervention on limited evidence primarily on the basis of the precautionary principle.”
6) Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures, CDC/Xiao, 2020 “Evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza…none of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group…the overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies.”
7) CIDRAP: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data, Brosseau, 2020 “We agree that the data supporting the effectiveness of a cloth mask or face covering are very limited. We do, however, have data from laboratory studies that indicate cloth masks or face coverings offer very low filter collection efficiency for the smaller inhalable particles we believe are largely responsible for transmission, particularly from pre- or asymptomatic individuals who are not coughing or sneezing…though we support mask wearing by the general public, we continue to conclude that cloth masks and face coverings are likely to have limited impact on lowering COVID-19 transmission, because they have minimal ability to prevent the emission of small particles, offer limited personal protection with respect to small particle inhalation, and should not be recommended as a replacement for physical distancing or reducing time in enclosed spaces with many potentially infectious people.”
8) Universal Masking in Hospitals in the Covid-19 Era, Klompas/NEJM, 2020 “We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic…The calculus may be different, however, in health care settings. First and foremost, a mask is a core component of the personal protective equipment (PPE) clinicians need when caring for symptomatic patients with respiratory viral infections, in conjunction with gown, gloves, and eye protection…universal masking alone is not a panacea. A mask will not protect providers caring for a patient with active Covid-19 if it’s not accompanied by meticulous hand hygiene, eye protection, gloves, and a gown. A mask alone will not prevent health care workers with early Covid-19 from contaminating their hands and spreading the virus to patients and colleagues. Focusing on universal masking alone may, paradoxically, lead to more transmission of Covid-19 if it diverts attention from implementing more fundamental infection-control measures.”
9) Masks for prevention of viral respiratory infections among health care workers and the public: PEER umbrella systematic review, Dugré, 2020 “This systematic review found limited evidence that the use of masks might reduce the risk of viral respiratory infections. In the community setting, a possible reduced risk of influenza-like illness was found among mask users. In health care workers, the results show no difference between N95 masks and surgical masks on the risk of confirmed influenza or other confirmed viral respiratory infections, although possible benefits from N95 masks were found for preventing influenza-like illness or other clinical respiratory infections. Surgical masks might be superior to cloth masks but data are limited to 1 trial.”
10) Effectiveness of personal protective measures in reducing pandemic influenza transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis, Saunders-Hastings, 2017 “Facemask use provided a non-significant protective effect (OR = 0.53; 95% CI 0.16–1.71; I2 = 48%) against 2009 pandemic influenza infection.”
11) Experimental investigation of indoor aerosol dispersion and accumulation in the context of COVID-19: Effects of masks and ventilation, Shah, 2021 “Nevertheless, high-efficiency masks, such as the KN95, still offer substantially higher apparent filtration efficiencies (60% and 46% for R95 and KN95 masks, respectively) than the more commonly used cloth (10%) and surgical masks (12%), and therefore are still the recommended choice in mitigating airborne disease transmission indoors.”
12) Exercise with facemask; Are we handling a devil’s sword?- A physiological hypothesis, Chandrasekaran, 2020 “Exercising with facemasks may reduce available Oxygen and increase air trapping preventing substantial carbon dioxide exchange. The hypercapnic hypoxia may potentially increase acidic environment, cardiac overload, anaerobic metabolism and renal overload, which may substantially aggravate the underlying pathology of established chronic diseases. Further contrary to the earlier thought, no evidence exists to claim the facemasks during exercise offer additional protection from the droplet transfer of the virus.”
13) Surgical face masks in modern operating rooms–a costly and unnecessary ritual?, Mitchell, 1991 “Following the commissioning of a new suite of operating rooms air movement studies showed a flow of air away from the operating table towards the periphery of the room. Oral microbial flora dispersed by unmasked male and female volunteers standing one metre from the table failed to contaminate exposed settle plates placed on the table. The wearing of face masks by non-scrubbed staff working in an operating room with forced ventilation seems to be unnecessary.”
14) Facemask against viral respiratory infections among Hajj pilgrims: A challenging cluster-randomized trial, Alfelali, 2020 “By intention-to-treat analysis, facemask use did not seem to be effective against laboratory-confirmed viral respiratory infections (odds ratio [OR], 1.4; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.9 to 2.1, p = 0.18) nor against clinical respiratory infection (OR, 1.1; 95% CI, 0.9 to 1.4, p = 0.40).”
15) Simple respiratory protection–evaluation of the filtration performance of cloth masks and common fabric materials against 20-1000 nm size particles, Rengasamy, 2010 “Results obtained in the study show that common fabric materials may provide marginal protection against nanoparticles including those in the size ranges of virus-containing particles in exhaled breath.”
16) Respiratory performance offered by N95 respirators and surgical masks: human subject evaluation with NaCl aerosol representing bacterial and viral particle size range, Lee, 2008 “The study indicates that N95 filtering facepiece respirators may not achieve the expected protection level against bacteria and viruses. An exhalation valve on the N95 respirator does not affect the respiratory protection; it appears to be an appropriate alternative to reduce the breathing resistance.”
17) Aerosol penetration and leakage characteristics of masks used in the health care industry, Weber, 1993 “We conclude that the protection provided by surgical masks may be insufficient in environments containing potentially hazardous sub-micrometer-sized aerosols.”
18) Disposable surgical face masks for preventing surgical wound infection in clean surgery, Vincent, 2016 “We included three trials, involving a total of 2106 participants. There was no statistically significant difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group in any of the trials…from the limited results it is unclear whether the wearing of surgical face masks by members of the surgical team has any impact on surgical wound infection rates for patients undergoing clean surgery.”
19) Disposable surgical face masks: a systematic review, Lipp, 2005 “From the limited results it is unclear whether wearing surgical face masks results in any harm or benefit to the patient undergoing clean surgery.”
20) Comparison of the Filter Efficiency of Medical Nonwoven Fabrics against Three Different Microbe Aerosols, Shimasaki , 2018 “We conclude that the filter efficiency test using the phi-X174 phage aerosol may overestimate the protective performance of nonwoven fabrics with filter structure compared to that against real pathogens such as the influenza virus.”
21) The use of masks and respirators to preventtransmission of influenza: a systematic review of thescientific evidence21) The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence, Bin-Reza, 2012 The use of masks and respirators to preventtransmission of influenza: a systematic review of thescientific evidence“None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection. Some evidence suggests that mask use is best undertaken as part of a package of personal protection especially hand hygiene.”
22) Facial protection for healthcare workers during pandemics: a scoping review, Godoy, 2020 “Compared with surgical masks, N95 respirators perform better in laboratory testing, may provide superior protection in inpatient settings and perform equivalently in outpatient settings. Surgical mask and N95 respirator conservation strategies include extended use, reuse or decontamination, but these strategies may result in inferior protection. Limited evidence suggests that reused and improvised masks should be used when medical-grade protection is unavailable.”
23) Assessment of Proficiency of N95 Mask Donning Among the General Public in Singapore, Yeung, 2020 “These findings support ongoing recommendations against the use of N95 masks by the general public during the COVID-19 pandemic.5 N95 mask use by the general public may not translate into effective protection but instead provide false reassurance. Beyond N95 masks, proficiency among the general public in donning surgical masks needs to be assessed.”
24) Evaluating the efficacy of cloth facemasks in reducing particulate matter exposure, Shakya, 2017 “Standard N95 mask performance was used as a control to compare the results with cloth masks, and our results suggest that cloth masks are only marginally beneficial in protecting individuals from particles<2.5 μm.”
25) Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: a randomized controlled trial, Jacobs, 2009 “Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.”
26) N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel, Radonovich, 2019 “Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
27) Does Universal Mask Wearing Decrease or Increase the Spread of COVID-19?, Watts up with that? 2020 “A survey of peer-reviewed studies shows that universal mask wearing (as opposed to wearing masks in specific settings) does not decrease the transmission of respiratory viruses from people wearing masks to people who are not wearing masks.”
28) Masking: A Careful Review of the Evidence, Alexander, 2021 “In fact, it is not unreasonable at this time to conclude that surgical and cloth masks, used as they currently are, have absolutely no impact on controlling the transmission of Covid-19 virus, and current evidence implies that face masks can be actually harmful.”
29) Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities — United States, July 2020, Fisher, 2020 Reported characteristics of symptomatic adults ≥18 years who were outpatients in 11 US academic health care facilities and who received positive and negative SARS-CoV-2 test results (N = 314)* — United States, July 1–29, 2020, revealed that 80% of infected persons wore face masks almost all or most of the time.
30) Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions against COVID-19 in Europe: a quasi-experimental study, Hunter, 2020 Face masks in public was not associated with reduced incidence.
31) Masking lack of evidence with politics, CEBM, Heneghan, 2020 “It would appear that despite two decades of pandemic preparedness, there is considerable uncertainty as to the value of wearing masks. For instance, high rates of infection with cloth masks could be due to harms caused by cloth masks, or benefits of medical masks. The numerous systematic reviews that have been recently published all include the same evidence base so unsurprisingly broadly reach the same conclusions.”
32) Transmission of COVID-19 in 282 clusters in Catalonia, Spain: a cohort study, Marks, 2021 “We observed no association of risk of transmission with reported mask usage by contacts, with the age or sex of the index case, or with the presence of respiratory symptoms in the index case at the initial study visit.”
33) Non-pharmaceutical public health measures for mitigating the risk and impact of epidemic and pandemic influenza, WHO, 2020 “Ten RCTs were included in the meta-analysis, and there was no evidence that face masks are effective in reducing transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
34) The Strangely Unscientific Masking of America, Younes, 2020 “One report reached its conclusion based on observations of a “dummy head attached to a breathing simulator.” Another analyzed use of surgical masks on people experiencing at least two symptoms of acute respiratory illness. Incidentally, not one of these studies involved cloth masks or accounted for real-world mask usage (or misusage) among lay people, and none established efficacy of widespread mask-wearing by people not exhibiting symptoms. There was simply no evidence whatsoever that healthy people ought to wear masks when going about their lives, especially outdoors.”
35) Facemasks and similar barriers to prevent respiratory illness such as COVID-19: A rapid systematic review, Brainard, 2020 “31 eligible studies (including 12 RCTs). Narrative synthesis and random-effects meta-analysis of attack rates for primary and secondary prevention in 28 studies were performed. Based on the RCTs we would conclude that wearing facemasks can be very slightly protective against primary infection from casual community contact, and modestly protective against household infections when both infected and uninfected members wear facemasks. However, the RCTs often suffered from poor compliance and controls using facemasks.”
36) The Year of Disguises, Koops, 2020 “The healthy people in our society should not be punished for being healthy, which is exactly what lockdowns, distancing, mask mandates, etc. do…Children should not be wearing face coverings. We all need constant interaction with our environments and that is especially true for children. This is how their immune system develops. They are the lowest of the low-risk groups. Let them be kids and let them develop their immune systems… The “Mask Mandate” idea is a truly ridiculous, knee-jerk reaction and needs to be withdrawn and thrown in the waste bin of disastrous policy, along with lockdowns and school closures. You can vote for a person without blindly supporting all of their proposals!”
37) Open Schools, Covid-19, and Child and Teacher Morbidity in Sweden, Ludvigsson, 2020 “1,951,905 children in Sweden (as of December 31, 2019) who were 1 to 16 years of age, were examined…social distancing was encouraged in Sweden, but wearing face masks was not…No child with Covid-19 died.”
38) Double-Masking Benefits Are Limited, Japan Supercomputer Finds, Reidy, 2021 “Wearing two masks offers limited benefits in preventing the spread of droplets that could carry the coronavirus compared to one well-fitted disposable mask, according to a Japanese study that modeled the dispersal of droplets on a supercomputer.”
39) Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses. Part 1 – Face masks, eye protection and person distancing: systematic review and meta-analysis, Jefferson, 2020 “There was insufficient evidence to provide a recommendation on the use of facial barriers without other measures. We found insufficient evidence for a difference between surgical masks and N95 respirators and limited evidence to support effectiveness of quarantine.”
40) Should individuals in the community without respiratory symptoms wear facemasks to reduce the spread of COVID-19?, NIPH, 2020 “Non-medical facemasks include a variety of products. There is no reliable evidence of the effectiveness of non-medical facemasks in community settings. There is likely to be substantial variation in effectiveness between products. However, there is only limited evidence from laboratory studies of potential differences in effectiveness when different products are used in the community.”
41) Is a mask necessary in the operating theatre?, Orr, 1981 “It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all but operating in silence. Whatever its relation to contamination, bacterial counts, or the dissemination of squames, there is no direct evidence that the wearing of masks reduces wound infection.”
42) The surgical mask is a bad fit for risk reduction, Neilson, 2016 “As recently as 2010, the US National Academy of Sciences declared that, in the community setting, “face masks are not designed or certified to protect the wearer from exposure to respiratory hazards.” A number of studies have shown the inefficacy of the surgical mask in household settings to prevent transmission of the influenza virus.”
43) Facemask versus No Facemask in Preventing Viral Respiratory Infections During Hajj: A Cluster Randomised Open Label Trial, Alfelali, 2019 “Facemask use does not prevent clinical or laboratory-confirmed viral respiratory infections among Hajj pilgrims.”
44) Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis, Vainshelboim, 2021 “The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression.”
45) The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence, Bin-Reza, 2011 “None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection. Some evidence suggests that mask use is best undertaken as part of a package of personal protection especially hand hygiene.”
46) Are Face Masks Effective? The Evidence., Swiss Policy Research, 2021 “Most studies found little to no evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in the general population, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control.”
47) Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: A controlled study, Tunevall, 1991 “These results indicate that the use of face masks might be reconsidered. Masks may be used to protect the operating team from drops of infected blood and from airborne infections, but have not been proven to protect the patient operated by a healthy operating team.”
48) Mask mandate and use efficacy in state-level COVID-19 containment, Guerra, 2021 “Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19 growth surges.”
49) Twenty Reasons Mandatory Face Masks are Unsafe, Ineffective and Immoral, Manley, 2021 “A CDC-funded review on masking in May 2020 came to the conclusion: “Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza… None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group.” If masks can’t stop the regular flu, how can they stop SAR-CoV-2?”
50) A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers, MacIntyre, 2015 “First RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection…the rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.”
51) Horowitz: Data from India continues to blow up the ‘Delta’ fear narrative, Blazemedia, 2021 “Rather than proving the need to sow more panic, fear, and control over people, the story from India — the source of the “Delta” variant — continues to refute every current premise of COVID fascism…Masks failed to stop the spread there.”
52) An outbreak caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant (B.1.617.2) in a secondary care hospital in Finland, May 2021, Hetemäki, 2021 Reporting on a nosocomial hospital outbreak in Finland, Hetemäli et al. observed that “both symptomatic and asymptomatic infections were found among vaccinated health care workers, and secondary transmission occurred from those with symptomatic infections despite use of personal protective equipment.”
53) Nosocomial outbreak caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant in a highly vaccinated population, Israel, July 2021, Shitrit, 2021 In a hospital outbreak investigation in Israel, Shitrit et al. observed “high transmissibility of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant among twice vaccinated and masked individuals.” They added that “this suggests some waning of immunity, albeit still providing protection for individuals without comorbidities.” Again, despite use of personal protective equipment.
54) 47 studies confirm ineffectiveness of masks for COVID and 32 more confirm their negative health effects, Lifesite news staff, 2021 “No studies were needed to justify this practice since most understood viruses were far too small to be stopped by the wearing of most masks, other than sophisticated ones designed for that task and which were too costly and complicated for the general public to properly wear and keep changing or cleaning. It was also understood that long mask wearing was unhealthy for wearers for common sense and basic science reasons.”
55) Are EUA Face Masks Effective in Slowing the Spread of a Viral Infection?, Dopp, 2021 The vast evidence shows that masks are ineffective.
56) CDC Study finds overwhelming majority of people getting coronavirus wore masks, Boyd/Federalist, 2021 “A Centers for Disease Control report released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19, even for those people who consistently wear them.”
57) Most Mask Studies Are Garbage, Eugyppius, 2021 “The other kind of study, the proper kind, would be a randomised controlled trial. You compare the rates of infection in a masked cohort against rates of infection in an unmasked cohort. Here things have gone much, much worse for mask brigade. They spent months trying to prevent the publication of the Danish randomised controlled trial, which found that masks do zero. When that paper finally squeaked into print, they spent more months trying desperately to poke holes in it. You could feel their boundless relief when the Bangladesh study finally appeared to save them in early September. Every last Twitter blue-check could now proclaim that Science Shows Masks Work. Such was their hunger for any scrap of evidence to prop up their prior convictions, that none of them noticed the sad nature of the Science in question. The study found a mere 10% reduction in seroprevalence among the masked cohort, an effect so small that it fell within the confidence interval. Even the study authors couldn’t exclude the possibility that masks in fact do zero.”
58) Using face masks in the community: first update, ECDC, 2021 “No high-quality evidence in favor of face masks and recommended their use only based on the ‘precautionary principle.”
59) Do physical measures such as hand-washing or wearing masks stop or slow down the spread of respiratory viruses?, Cochrane, 2020 “Seven studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness (9 studies; 3507 people); and probably makes no difference in how many people have flu confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 3005 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported, but included discomfort.”
60) Mouth-nose protection in public: No evidence of effectiveness, Thieme/ Kappstein, 2020 “The use of masks in public spaces is questionable simply because of the lack of scientific data. If one also considers the necessary precautions, masks must even be considered a risk of infection in public spaces according to the rules known from hospitals… If masks are worn by the population, the risk of infection is potentially increased, regardless of whether they are medical masks or whether they are so-called community masks designed in any way. If one considers the precautionary measures that the RKI as well as the international health authorities have pronounced, all authorities would even have to inform the population that masks should not be worn in public spaces at all. Because no matter whether it is a duty for all citizens or voluntarily borne by the citizens who want it for whatever reason, it remains a fact that masks can do more harm than good in public.”
61) US mask guidance for kids is the strictest across the world, Skelding, 2021 “Kids need to see faces,” Jay Bhattacharya, a professor of medicine at Stanford University, told The Post. Youngsters watch people’s mouths to learn to speak, read and understand emotions, he said.“We have this idea that this disease is so bad that we must adopt any means necessary to stop it from spreading,” he said. “It’s not that masks in schools have no costs. They actually do have substantial costs.”
62) Masking young children in school harms language acquisition, Walsh, 2021 “This is important because children and/or students do not have the speech or language ability that adults have — they are not equally able and the ability to see the face and especially the mouth is critical to language acquisition which children and/or students are engaged in at all times. Furthermore, the ability to see the mouth is not only essential to communication but also essential to brain development.”
63) The Case Against Masks for Children, Makary, 2021 “It’s abusive to force kids who struggle with them to sacrifice for the sake of unvaccinated adults… Do masks reduce Covid transmission in children? Believe it or not, we could find only a single retrospective study on the question, and its results were inconclusive. Yet two weeks ago the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sternly decreed that 56 million U.S. children and adolescents, vaccinated or not, should cover their faces regardless of the prevalence of infection in their community. Authorities in many places took the cue to impose mandates in schools and elsewhere, on the theory that masks can’t do any harm. That isn’t true. Some children are fine wearing a mask, but others struggle. Those who have myopia can have difficulty seeing because the mask fogs their glasses. (This has long been a problem for medical students in the operating room.) Masks can cause severe acne and other skin problems. The discomfort of a mask distracts some children from learning. By increasing airway resistance during exhalation, masks can lead to increased levels of carbon dioxide in the blood. And masks can be vectors for pathogens if they become moist or are used for too long.”
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Iedere wappie zit hier steeds te roepen dat "de zwakken" zich maar moeten beschermen want alles moet open blijven. Maar zodra iemand dat doet dan wordt dat weer belachelijk gevonden.
Zelfde als een vrijblijvende auto apk. Risico is gewoon te groot om het vrijblijvend te laten.quote:
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Omdat het compleet debiel is, maar we zijn wel zo tolerant om iedereen die keuze te laten maken, toch?
Andere landen hebben dat wel door.
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Dus dat helaas.. Dat is ook de reden dat in Belgie afgelopen kerst alles wel open bleef. Vrienden van me die naar Belgie waren gegaan begrepen ook waarom. Iedereen hield zich keurig aan de basisregels (in Duitsland ook).
Maar in Nederland is het : 'moak ik zelluf wel uuiiitt laat me niet muilkorfeeehhh.... uche uch hatsjoe'
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Prikjes doen we niet aan. Afstand houden en mondkapje op doen we wel.
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Dus dat helaas.. Dat is ook de reden dat in Belgie afgelopen kerst alles wel open bleef. Vrienden van me die naar Belgie waren gegaan begrepen ook waarom. Iedereen hield zich keurig aan de basisregels (in Duitsland ook).
Maar in Nederland is het : 'moak ik zelluf wel uuiiitt laat me niet muilkorfeeehhh.... uche uch hatsjoe'
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INEFFECTIVENESS
1) Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers, Bundgaard, 2021 “Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants (2.1%). The between-group difference was −0.3 percentage point (95% CI, −1.2 to 0.4 percentage point; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI, 0.54 to 1.23]; P = 0.33). Multiple imputation accounting for loss to follow-up yielded similar results…the recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use.”
2) SARS-CoV-2 Transmission among Marine Recruits during Quarantine, Letizia, 2020 “Our study showed that in a group of predominantly young male military recruits, approximately 2% became positive for SARS-CoV-2, as determined by qPCR assay, during a 2-week, strictly enforced quarantine. Multiple, independent virus strain transmission clusters were identified…all recruits wore double-layered cloth masks at all times indoors and outdoors.”
3) Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses, Jefferson, 2020 “There is low certainty evidence from nine trials (3507 participants) that wearing a mask may make little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness (ILI) compared to not wearing a mask (risk ratio (RR) 0.99, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.82 to 1.18. There is moderate certainty evidence that wearing a mask probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza compared to not wearing a mask (RR 0.91, 95% CI 0.66 to 1.26; 6 trials; 3005 participants)…the pooled results of randomised trials did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks during seasonal influenza.”
4) The Impact of Community Masking on COVID-19: A Cluster-Randomized Trial in Bangladesh, Abaluck, 2021
Heneghan et al. A cluster-randomized trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh from November 2020 to April 2021 (N=600 villages, N=342,126 adults. Heneghan writes: “In a Bangladesh study, surgical masks reduced symptomatic COVID infections by between 0 and 22 percent, while the efficacy of cloth masks led to somewhere between an 11 percent increase to a 21 percent decrease. Hence, based on these randomized studies, adult masks appear to have either no or limited efficacy.”
5) Evidence for Community Cloth Face Masking to Limit the Spread of SARS-CoV-2: A Critical Review, Liu/CATO, 2021 “The available clinical evidence of facemask efficacy is of low quality and the best available clinical evidence has mostly failed to show efficacy, with fourteen of sixteen identified randomized controlled trials comparing face masks to no mask controls failing to find statistically significant benefit in the intent-to-treat populations. Of sixteen quantitative meta-analyses, eight were equivocal or critical as to whether evidence supports a public recommendation of masks, and the remaining eight supported a public mask intervention on limited evidence primarily on the basis of the precautionary principle.”
6) Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures, CDC/Xiao, 2020 “Evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza…none of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group…the overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies.”
7) CIDRAP: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data, Brosseau, 2020 “We agree that the data supporting the effectiveness of a cloth mask or face covering are very limited. We do, however, have data from laboratory studies that indicate cloth masks or face coverings offer very low filter collection efficiency for the smaller inhalable particles we believe are largely responsible for transmission, particularly from pre- or asymptomatic individuals who are not coughing or sneezing…though we support mask wearing by the general public, we continue to conclude that cloth masks and face coverings are likely to have limited impact on lowering COVID-19 transmission, because they have minimal ability to prevent the emission of small particles, offer limited personal protection with respect to small particle inhalation, and should not be recommended as a replacement for physical distancing or reducing time in enclosed spaces with many potentially infectious people.”
8) Universal Masking in Hospitals in the Covid-19 Era, Klompas/NEJM, 2020 “We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic…The calculus may be different, however, in health care settings. First and foremost, a mask is a core component of the personal protective equipment (PPE) clinicians need when caring for symptomatic patients with respiratory viral infections, in conjunction with gown, gloves, and eye protection…universal masking alone is not a panacea. A mask will not protect providers caring for a patient with active Covid-19 if it’s not accompanied by meticulous hand hygiene, eye protection, gloves, and a gown. A mask alone will not prevent health care workers with early Covid-19 from contaminating their hands and spreading the virus to patients and colleagues. Focusing on universal masking alone may, paradoxically, lead to more transmission of Covid-19 if it diverts attention from implementing more fundamental infection-control measures.”
9) Masks for prevention of viral respiratory infections among health care workers and the public: PEER umbrella systematic review, Dugré, 2020 “This systematic review found limited evidence that the use of masks might reduce the risk of viral respiratory infections. In the community setting, a possible reduced risk of influenza-like illness was found among mask users. In health care workers, the results show no difference between N95 masks and surgical masks on the risk of confirmed influenza or other confirmed viral respiratory infections, although possible benefits from N95 masks were found for preventing influenza-like illness or other clinical respiratory infections. Surgical masks might be superior to cloth masks but data are limited to 1 trial.”
10) Effectiveness of personal protective measures in reducing pandemic influenza transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis, Saunders-Hastings, 2017 “Facemask use provided a non-significant protective effect (OR = 0.53; 95% CI 0.16–1.71; I2 = 48%) against 2009 pandemic influenza infection.”
11) Experimental investigation of indoor aerosol dispersion and accumulation in the context of COVID-19: Effects of masks and ventilation, Shah, 2021 “Nevertheless, high-efficiency masks, such as the KN95, still offer substantially higher apparent filtration efficiencies (60% and 46% for R95 and KN95 masks, respectively) than the more commonly used cloth (10%) and surgical masks (12%), and therefore are still the recommended choice in mitigating airborne disease transmission indoors.”
12) Exercise with facemask; Are we handling a devil’s sword?- A physiological hypothesis, Chandrasekaran, 2020 “Exercising with facemasks may reduce available Oxygen and increase air trapping preventing substantial carbon dioxide exchange. The hypercapnic hypoxia may potentially increase acidic environment, cardiac overload, anaerobic metabolism and renal overload, which may substantially aggravate the underlying pathology of established chronic diseases. Further contrary to the earlier thought, no evidence exists to claim the facemasks during exercise offer additional protection from the droplet transfer of the virus.”
13) Surgical face masks in modern operating rooms–a costly and unnecessary ritual?, Mitchell, 1991 “Following the commissioning of a new suite of operating rooms air movement studies showed a flow of air away from the operating table towards the periphery of the room. Oral microbial flora dispersed by unmasked male and female volunteers standing one metre from the table failed to contaminate exposed settle plates placed on the table. The wearing of face masks by non-scrubbed staff working in an operating room with forced ventilation seems to be unnecessary.”
14) Facemask against viral respiratory infections among Hajj pilgrims: A challenging cluster-randomized trial, Alfelali, 2020 “By intention-to-treat analysis, facemask use did not seem to be effective against laboratory-confirmed viral respiratory infections (odds ratio [OR], 1.4; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.9 to 2.1, p = 0.18) nor against clinical respiratory infection (OR, 1.1; 95% CI, 0.9 to 1.4, p = 0.40).”
15) Simple respiratory protection–evaluation of the filtration performance of cloth masks and common fabric materials against 20-1000 nm size particles, Rengasamy, 2010 “Results obtained in the study show that common fabric materials may provide marginal protection against nanoparticles including those in the size ranges of virus-containing particles in exhaled breath.”
16) Respiratory performance offered by N95 respirators and surgical masks: human subject evaluation with NaCl aerosol representing bacterial and viral particle size range, Lee, 2008 “The study indicates that N95 filtering facepiece respirators may not achieve the expected protection level against bacteria and viruses. An exhalation valve on the N95 respirator does not affect the respiratory protection; it appears to be an appropriate alternative to reduce the breathing resistance.”
17) Aerosol penetration and leakage characteristics of masks used in the health care industry, Weber, 1993 “We conclude that the protection provided by surgical masks may be insufficient in environments containing potentially hazardous sub-micrometer-sized aerosols.”
18) Disposable surgical face masks for preventing surgical wound infection in clean surgery, Vincent, 2016 “We included three trials, involving a total of 2106 participants. There was no statistically significant difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group in any of the trials…from the limited results it is unclear whether the wearing of surgical face masks by members of the surgical team has any impact on surgical wound infection rates for patients undergoing clean surgery.”
19) Disposable surgical face masks: a systematic review, Lipp, 2005 “From the limited results it is unclear whether wearing surgical face masks results in any harm or benefit to the patient undergoing clean surgery.”
20) Comparison of the Filter Efficiency of Medical Nonwoven Fabrics against Three Different Microbe Aerosols, Shimasaki , 2018 “We conclude that the filter efficiency test using the phi-X174 phage aerosol may overestimate the protective performance of nonwoven fabrics with filter structure compared to that against real pathogens such as the influenza virus.”
21) The use of masks and respirators to preventtransmission of influenza: a systematic review of thescientific evidence21) The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence, Bin-Reza, 2012 The use of masks and respirators to preventtransmission of influenza: a systematic review of thescientific evidence“None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection. Some evidence suggests that mask use is best undertaken as part of a package of personal protection especially hand hygiene.”
22) Facial protection for healthcare workers during pandemics: a scoping review, Godoy, 2020 “Compared with surgical masks, N95 respirators perform better in laboratory testing, may provide superior protection in inpatient settings and perform equivalently in outpatient settings. Surgical mask and N95 respirator conservation strategies include extended use, reuse or decontamination, but these strategies may result in inferior protection. Limited evidence suggests that reused and improvised masks should be used when medical-grade protection is unavailable.”
23) Assessment of Proficiency of N95 Mask Donning Among the General Public in Singapore, Yeung, 2020 “These findings support ongoing recommendations against the use of N95 masks by the general public during the COVID-19 pandemic.5 N95 mask use by the general public may not translate into effective protection but instead provide false reassurance. Beyond N95 masks, proficiency among the general public in donning surgical masks needs to be assessed.”
24) Evaluating the efficacy of cloth facemasks in reducing particulate matter exposure, Shakya, 2017 “Standard N95 mask performance was used as a control to compare the results with cloth masks, and our results suggest that cloth masks are only marginally beneficial in protecting individuals from particles<2.5 μm.”
25) Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: a randomized controlled trial, Jacobs, 2009 “Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.”
26) N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel, Radonovich, 2019 “Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
27) Does Universal Mask Wearing Decrease or Increase the Spread of COVID-19?, Watts up with that? 2020 “A survey of peer-reviewed studies shows that universal mask wearing (as opposed to wearing masks in specific settings) does not decrease the transmission of respiratory viruses from people wearing masks to people who are not wearing masks.”
28) Masking: A Careful Review of the Evidence, Alexander, 2021 “In fact, it is not unreasonable at this time to conclude that surgical and cloth masks, used as they currently are, have absolutely no impact on controlling the transmission of Covid-19 virus, and current evidence implies that face masks can be actually harmful.”
29) Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities — United States, July 2020, Fisher, 2020 Reported characteristics of symptomatic adults ≥18 years who were outpatients in 11 US academic health care facilities and who received positive and negative SARS-CoV-2 test results (N = 314)* — United States, July 1–29, 2020, revealed that 80% of infected persons wore face masks almost all or most of the time.
30) Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions against COVID-19 in Europe: a quasi-experimental study, Hunter, 2020 Face masks in public was not associated with reduced incidence.
31) Masking lack of evidence with politics, CEBM, Heneghan, 2020 “It would appear that despite two decades of pandemic preparedness, there is considerable uncertainty as to the value of wearing masks. For instance, high rates of infection with cloth masks could be due to harms caused by cloth masks, or benefits of medical masks. The numerous systematic reviews that have been recently published all include the same evidence base so unsurprisingly broadly reach the same conclusions.”
32) Transmission of COVID-19 in 282 clusters in Catalonia, Spain: a cohort study, Marks, 2021 “We observed no association of risk of transmission with reported mask usage by contacts, with the age or sex of the index case, or with the presence of respiratory symptoms in the index case at the initial study visit.”
33) Non-pharmaceutical public health measures for mitigating the risk and impact of epidemic and pandemic influenza, WHO, 2020 “Ten RCTs were included in the meta-analysis, and there was no evidence that face masks are effective in reducing transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
34) The Strangely Unscientific Masking of America, Younes, 2020 “One report reached its conclusion based on observations of a “dummy head attached to a breathing simulator.” Another analyzed use of surgical masks on people experiencing at least two symptoms of acute respiratory illness. Incidentally, not one of these studies involved cloth masks or accounted for real-world mask usage (or misusage) among lay people, and none established efficacy of widespread mask-wearing by people not exhibiting symptoms. There was simply no evidence whatsoever that healthy people ought to wear masks when going about their lives, especially outdoors.”
35) Facemasks and similar barriers to prevent respiratory illness such as COVID-19: A rapid systematic review, Brainard, 2020 “31 eligible studies (including 12 RCTs). Narrative synthesis and random-effects meta-analysis of attack rates for primary and secondary prevention in 28 studies were performed. Based on the RCTs we would conclude that wearing facemasks can be very slightly protective against primary infection from casual community contact, and modestly protective against household infections when both infected and uninfected members wear facemasks. However, the RCTs often suffered from poor compliance and controls using facemasks.”
36) The Year of Disguises, Koops, 2020 “The healthy people in our society should not be punished for being healthy, which is exactly what lockdowns, distancing, mask mandates, etc. do…Children should not be wearing face coverings. We all need constant interaction with our environments and that is especially true for children. This is how their immune system develops. They are the lowest of the low-risk groups. Let them be kids and let them develop their immune systems… The “Mask Mandate” idea is a truly ridiculous, knee-jerk reaction and needs to be withdrawn and thrown in the waste bin of disastrous policy, along with lockdowns and school closures. You can vote for a person without blindly supporting all of their proposals!”
37) Open Schools, Covid-19, and Child and Teacher Morbidity in Sweden, Ludvigsson, 2020 “1,951,905 children in Sweden (as of December 31, 2019) who were 1 to 16 years of age, were examined…social distancing was encouraged in Sweden, but wearing face masks was not…No child with Covid-19 died.”
38) Double-Masking Benefits Are Limited, Japan Supercomputer Finds, Reidy, 2021 “Wearing two masks offers limited benefits in preventing the spread of droplets that could carry the coronavirus compared to one well-fitted disposable mask, according to a Japanese study that modeled the dispersal of droplets on a supercomputer.”
39) Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses. Part 1 – Face masks, eye protection and person distancing: systematic review and meta-analysis, Jefferson, 2020 “There was insufficient evidence to provide a recommendation on the use of facial barriers without other measures. We found insufficient evidence for a difference between surgical masks and N95 respirators and limited evidence to support effectiveness of quarantine.”
40) Should individuals in the community without respiratory symptoms wear facemasks to reduce the spread of COVID-19?, NIPH, 2020 “Non-medical facemasks include a variety of products. There is no reliable evidence of the effectiveness of non-medical facemasks in community settings. There is likely to be substantial variation in effectiveness between products. However, there is only limited evidence from laboratory studies of potential differences in effectiveness when different products are used in the community.”
41) Is a mask necessary in the operating theatre?, Orr, 1981 “It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all but operating in silence. Whatever its relation to contamination, bacterial counts, or the dissemination of squames, there is no direct evidence that the wearing of masks reduces wound infection.”
42) The surgical mask is a bad fit for risk reduction, Neilson, 2016 “As recently as 2010, the US National Academy of Sciences declared that, in the community setting, “face masks are not designed or certified to protect the wearer from exposure to respiratory hazards.” A number of studies have shown the inefficacy of the surgical mask in household settings to prevent transmission of the influenza virus.”
43) Facemask versus No Facemask in Preventing Viral Respiratory Infections During Hajj: A Cluster Randomised Open Label Trial, Alfelali, 2019 “Facemask use does not prevent clinical or laboratory-confirmed viral respiratory infections among Hajj pilgrims.”
44) Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis, Vainshelboim, 2021 “The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression.”
45) The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence, Bin-Reza, 2011 “None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection. Some evidence suggests that mask use is best undertaken as part of a package of personal protection especially hand hygiene.”
46) Are Face Masks Effective? The Evidence., Swiss Policy Research, 2021 “Most studies found little to no evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in the general population, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control.”
47) Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: A controlled study, Tunevall, 1991 “These results indicate that the use of face masks might be reconsidered. Masks may be used to protect the operating team from drops of infected blood and from airborne infections, but have not been proven to protect the patient operated by a healthy operating team.”
48) Mask mandate and use efficacy in state-level COVID-19 containment, Guerra, 2021 “Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19 growth surges.”
49) Twenty Reasons Mandatory Face Masks are Unsafe, Ineffective and Immoral, Manley, 2021 “A CDC-funded review on masking in May 2020 came to the conclusion: “Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza… None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group.” If masks can’t stop the regular flu, how can they stop SAR-CoV-2?”
50) A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers, MacIntyre, 2015 “First RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection…the rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.”
51) Horowitz: Data from India continues to blow up the ‘Delta’ fear narrative, Blazemedia, 2021 “Rather than proving the need to sow more panic, fear, and control over people, the story from India — the source of the “Delta” variant — continues to refute every current premise of COVID fascism…Masks failed to stop the spread there.”
52) An outbreak caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant (B.1.617.2) in a secondary care hospital in Finland, May 2021, Hetemäki, 2021 Reporting on a nosocomial hospital outbreak in Finland, Hetemäli et al. observed that “both symptomatic and asymptomatic infections were found among vaccinated health care workers, and secondary transmission occurred from those with symptomatic infections despite use of personal protective equipment.”
53) Nosocomial outbreak caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant in a highly vaccinated population, Israel, July 2021, Shitrit, 2021 In a hospital outbreak investigation in Israel, Shitrit et al. observed “high transmissibility of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant among twice vaccinated and masked individuals.” They added that “this suggests some waning of immunity, albeit still providing protection for individuals without comorbidities.” Again, despite use of personal protective equipment.
54) 47 studies confirm ineffectiveness of masks for COVID and 32 more confirm their negative health effects, Lifesite news staff, 2021 “No studies were needed to justify this practice since most understood viruses were far too small to be stopped by the wearing of most masks, other than sophisticated ones designed for that task and which were too costly and complicated for the general public to properly wear and keep changing or cleaning. It was also understood that long mask wearing was unhealthy for wearers for common sense and basic science reasons.”
55) Are EUA Face Masks Effective in Slowing the Spread of a Viral Infection?, Dopp, 2021 The vast evidence shows that masks are ineffective.
56) CDC Study finds overwhelming majority of people getting coronavirus wore masks, Boyd/Federalist, 2021 “A Centers for Disease Control report released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19, even for those people who consistently wear them.”
57) Most Mask Studies Are Garbage, Eugyppius, 2021 “The other kind of study, the proper kind, would be a randomised controlled trial. You compare the rates of infection in a masked cohort against rates of infection in an unmasked cohort. Here things have gone much, much worse for mask brigade. They spent months trying to prevent the publication of the Danish randomised controlled trial, which found that masks do zero. When that paper finally squeaked into print, they spent more months trying desperately to poke holes in it. You could feel their boundless relief when the Bangladesh study finally appeared to save them in early September. Every last Twitter blue-check could now proclaim that Science Shows Masks Work. Such was their hunger for any scrap of evidence to prop up their prior convictions, that none of them noticed the sad nature of the Science in question. The study found a mere 10% reduction in seroprevalence among the masked cohort, an effect so small that it fell within the confidence interval. Even the study authors couldn’t exclude the possibility that masks in fact do zero.”
58) Using face masks in the community: first update, ECDC, 2021 “No high-quality evidence in favor of face masks and recommended their use only based on the ‘precautionary principle.”
59) Do physical measures such as hand-washing or wearing masks stop or slow down the spread of respiratory viruses?, Cochrane, 2020 “Seven studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness (9 studies; 3507 people); and probably makes no difference in how many people have flu confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 3005 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported, but included discomfort.”
60) Mouth-nose protection in public: No evidence of effectiveness, Thieme/ Kappstein, 2020 “The use of masks in public spaces is questionable simply because of the lack of scientific data. If one also considers the necessary precautions, masks must even be considered a risk of infection in public spaces according to the rules known from hospitals… If masks are worn by the population, the risk of infection is potentially increased, regardless of whether they are medical masks or whether they are so-called community masks designed in any way. If one considers the precautionary measures that the RKI as well as the international health authorities have pronounced, all authorities would even have to inform the population that masks should not be worn in public spaces at all. Because no matter whether it is a duty for all citizens or voluntarily borne by the citizens who want it for whatever reason, it remains a fact that masks can do more harm than good in public.”
61) US mask guidance for kids is the strictest across the world, Skelding, 2021 “Kids need to see faces,” Jay Bhattacharya, a professor of medicine at Stanford University, told The Post. Youngsters watch people’s mouths to learn to speak, read and understand emotions, he said.“We have this idea that this disease is so bad that we must adopt any means necessary to stop it from spreading,” he said. “It’s not that masks in schools have no costs. They actually do have substantial costs.”
62) Masking young children in school harms language acquisition, Walsh, 2021 “This is important because children and/or students do not have the speech or language ability that adults have — they are not equally able and the ability to see the face and especially the mouth is critical to language acquisition which children and/or students are engaged in at all times. Furthermore, the ability to see the mouth is not only essential to communication but also essential to brain development.”
63) The Case Against Masks for Children, Makary, 2021 “It’s abusive to force kids who struggle with them to sacrifice for the sake of unvaccinated adults… Do masks reduce Covid transmission in children? Believe it or not, we could find only a single retrospective study on the question, and its results were inconclusive. Yet two weeks ago the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sternly decreed that 56 million U.S. children and adolescents, vaccinated or not, should cover their faces regardless of the prevalence of infection in their community. Authorities in many places took the cue to impose mandates in schools and elsewhere, on the theory that masks can’t do any harm. That isn’t true. Some children are fine wearing a mask, but others struggle. Those who have myopia can have difficulty seeing because the mask fogs their glasses. (This has long been a problem for medical students in the operating room.) Masks can cause severe acne and other skin problems. The discomfort of a mask distracts some children from learning. By increasing airway resistance during exhalation, masks can lead to increased levels of carbon dioxide in the blood. And masks can be vectors for pathogens if they become moist or are used for too long.”
Denken dat mondkapjes werkenquote:
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Nederlanders zijn helaas het enige volk dat zo massaal tegen mondkapjes is op deze wereldbol.
Daarom verdienen wij ook deze kriharde lockdowns. Je krijgt de regering die je verdient.
Dit dus, behalve die onnozele mondmaskers. Ik loop liever tegen een tweede coronabesmetting op dan dat ik weer maandenlang met zo'n ding op aan het toneelstukje "levensgevaarlijk virus" moet deelnemen.quote:
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Nee
Als ik ziek ben blijf ik thuis. Als de druk op de zorg toeneemt haal ik een prik, als ik ergens mondkapjes moet dragen doe ik dat.
Verder wil ik graag leven. Dank
Geen weerstand door die ongein.quote:
Goede regels. Kijk maar wat er gebeurde toen ze alle regels 25 februari loslieten. IEDEREEN ZIEK!
Mondkapje op en afstand houden. Zo moeilijk is dat niet. Hoewel Nederlanders heel eigenwijs zijn met mondkapjes (arrogantie).
In Portugal droeg iedereen keurig zijn mondkapje toen ik daar was op vakantie.
Mondkapjes helpen niet of nauwelijks. We hebben nu iedereen die wil gevaccineerd, niet-gevaccineerden hebben de ziekte ook wel een keer doorlopen, tijd om deze ziekte gewoon te accepteren zoals we dat met bv griep doen.quote:
Goede regels. Kijk maar wat er gebeurde toen ze alle regels 25 februari loslieten. IEDEREEN ZIEK!
Mondkapje op en afstand houden. Zo moeilijk is dat niet. Hoewel Nederlanders heel eigenwijs zijn met mondkapjes (arrogantie).
In Portugal droeg iedereen keurig zijn mondkapje toen ik daar was op vakantie.
We kunnen niet jaar in, jaar uit ons aan blijven passen.
Nee denk dat we dat nooit meer gaan doen.
Laatst in een Duits pretpark op een hete dag, veel van die groepjes jongeren met groen haar, allemaal een mondkapje. (Vrijwillig hè)
Staan ze naast je, zie je gewoon spleten van 2cm aan beide kanten waar de lucht in kan.
Echt als je denkt dat het je beschermd, dan denk jr ten eerste al dat je zwak bent, ten tweede ben je naïef,
Dit zijn samenvattingen van 69 wetenschappelijke onderzoeken die mondkapjes niet effectief beoordelen.quote:
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Aankomende week ga ik beginnen met mondkapje te dragen. Heb geen zin in nog een keer corona infectie. Vooral dat gedeelte dat mijn keel dik werd met taaie slijm erin die maar niet weg ging vond ik dood eng.
Nuttige info. Bedankt voor het delen.quote:
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INEFFECTIVENESS
1) Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers, Bundgaard, 2021 “Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants (2.1%). The between-group difference was −0.3 percentage point (95% CI, −1.2 to 0.4 percentage point; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI, 0.54 to 1.23]; P = 0.33). Multiple imputation accounting for loss to follow-up yielded similar results…the recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use.”
2) SARS-CoV-2 Transmission among Marine Recruits during Quarantine, Letizia, 2020 “Our study showed that in a group of predominantly young male military recruits, approximately 2% became positive for SARS-CoV-2, as determined by qPCR assay, during a 2-week, strictly enforced quarantine. Multiple, independent virus strain transmission clusters were identified…all recruits wore double-layered cloth masks at all times indoors and outdoors.”
3) Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses, Jefferson, 2020 “There is low certainty evidence from nine trials (3507 participants) that wearing a mask may make little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness (ILI) compared to not wearing a mask (risk ratio (RR) 0.99, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.82 to 1.18. There is moderate certainty evidence that wearing a mask probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza compared to not wearing a mask (RR 0.91, 95% CI 0.66 to 1.26; 6 trials; 3005 participants)…the pooled results of randomised trials did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks during seasonal influenza.”
4) The Impact of Community Masking on COVID-19: A Cluster-Randomized Trial in Bangladesh, Abaluck, 2021
Heneghan et al. A cluster-randomized trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh from November 2020 to April 2021 (N=600 villages, N=342,126 adults. Heneghan writes: “In a Bangladesh study, surgical masks reduced symptomatic COVID infections by between 0 and 22 percent, while the efficacy of cloth masks led to somewhere between an 11 percent increase to a 21 percent decrease. Hence, based on these randomized studies, adult masks appear to have either no or limited efficacy.”
5) Evidence for Community Cloth Face Masking to Limit the Spread of SARS-CoV-2: A Critical Review, Liu/CATO, 2021 “The available clinical evidence of facemask efficacy is of low quality and the best available clinical evidence has mostly failed to show efficacy, with fourteen of sixteen identified randomized controlled trials comparing face masks to no mask controls failing to find statistically significant benefit in the intent-to-treat populations. Of sixteen quantitative meta-analyses, eight were equivocal or critical as to whether evidence supports a public recommendation of masks, and the remaining eight supported a public mask intervention on limited evidence primarily on the basis of the precautionary principle.”
6) Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures, CDC/Xiao, 2020 “Evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza…none of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group…the overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies.”
7) CIDRAP: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data, Brosseau, 2020 “We agree that the data supporting the effectiveness of a cloth mask or face covering are very limited. We do, however, have data from laboratory studies that indicate cloth masks or face coverings offer very low filter collection efficiency for the smaller inhalable particles we believe are largely responsible for transmission, particularly from pre- or asymptomatic individuals who are not coughing or sneezing…though we support mask wearing by the general public, we continue to conclude that cloth masks and face coverings are likely to have limited impact on lowering COVID-19 transmission, because they have minimal ability to prevent the emission of small particles, offer limited personal protection with respect to small particle inhalation, and should not be recommended as a replacement for physical distancing or reducing time in enclosed spaces with many potentially infectious people.”
8) Universal Masking in Hospitals in the Covid-19 Era, Klompas/NEJM, 2020 “We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic…The calculus may be different, however, in health care settings. First and foremost, a mask is a core component of the personal protective equipment (PPE) clinicians need when caring for symptomatic patients with respiratory viral infections, in conjunction with gown, gloves, and eye protection…universal masking alone is not a panacea. A mask will not protect providers caring for a patient with active Covid-19 if it’s not accompanied by meticulous hand hygiene, eye protection, gloves, and a gown. A mask alone will not prevent health care workers with early Covid-19 from contaminating their hands and spreading the virus to patients and colleagues. Focusing on universal masking alone may, paradoxically, lead to more transmission of Covid-19 if it diverts attention from implementing more fundamental infection-control measures.”
9) Masks for prevention of viral respiratory infections among health care workers and the public: PEER umbrella systematic review, Dugré, 2020 “This systematic review found limited evidence that the use of masks might reduce the risk of viral respiratory infections. In the community setting, a possible reduced risk of influenza-like illness was found among mask users. In health care workers, the results show no difference between N95 masks and surgical masks on the risk of confirmed influenza or other confirmed viral respiratory infections, although possible benefits from N95 masks were found for preventing influenza-like illness or other clinical respiratory infections. Surgical masks might be superior to cloth masks but data are limited to 1 trial.”
10) Effectiveness of personal protective measures in reducing pandemic influenza transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis, Saunders-Hastings, 2017 “Facemask use provided a non-significant protective effect (OR = 0.53; 95% CI 0.16–1.71; I2 = 48%) against 2009 pandemic influenza infection.”
11) Experimental investigation of indoor aerosol dispersion and accumulation in the context of COVID-19: Effects of masks and ventilation, Shah, 2021 “Nevertheless, high-efficiency masks, such as the KN95, still offer substantially higher apparent filtration efficiencies (60% and 46% for R95 and KN95 masks, respectively) than the more commonly used cloth (10%) and surgical masks (12%), and therefore are still the recommended choice in mitigating airborne disease transmission indoors.”
12) Exercise with facemask; Are we handling a devil’s sword?- A physiological hypothesis, Chandrasekaran, 2020 “Exercising with facemasks may reduce available Oxygen and increase air trapping preventing substantial carbon dioxide exchange. The hypercapnic hypoxia may potentially increase acidic environment, cardiac overload, anaerobic metabolism and renal overload, which may substantially aggravate the underlying pathology of established chronic diseases. Further contrary to the earlier thought, no evidence exists to claim the facemasks during exercise offer additional protection from the droplet transfer of the virus.”
13) Surgical face masks in modern operating rooms–a costly and unnecessary ritual?, Mitchell, 1991 “Following the commissioning of a new suite of operating rooms air movement studies showed a flow of air away from the operating table towards the periphery of the room. Oral microbial flora dispersed by unmasked male and female volunteers standing one metre from the table failed to contaminate exposed settle plates placed on the table. The wearing of face masks by non-scrubbed staff working in an operating room with forced ventilation seems to be unnecessary.”
14) Facemask against viral respiratory infections among Hajj pilgrims: A challenging cluster-randomized trial, Alfelali, 2020 “By intention-to-treat analysis, facemask use did not seem to be effective against laboratory-confirmed viral respiratory infections (odds ratio [OR], 1.4; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.9 to 2.1, p = 0.18) nor against clinical respiratory infection (OR, 1.1; 95% CI, 0.9 to 1.4, p = 0.40).”
15) Simple respiratory protection–evaluation of the filtration performance of cloth masks and common fabric materials against 20-1000 nm size particles, Rengasamy, 2010 “Results obtained in the study show that common fabric materials may provide marginal protection against nanoparticles including those in the size ranges of virus-containing particles in exhaled breath.”
16) Respiratory performance offered by N95 respirators and surgical masks: human subject evaluation with NaCl aerosol representing bacterial and viral particle size range, Lee, 2008 “The study indicates that N95 filtering facepiece respirators may not achieve the expected protection level against bacteria and viruses. An exhalation valve on the N95 respirator does not affect the respiratory protection; it appears to be an appropriate alternative to reduce the breathing resistance.”
17) Aerosol penetration and leakage characteristics of masks used in the health care industry, Weber, 1993 “We conclude that the protection provided by surgical masks may be insufficient in environments containing potentially hazardous sub-micrometer-sized aerosols.”
18) Disposable surgical face masks for preventing surgical wound infection in clean surgery, Vincent, 2016 “We included three trials, involving a total of 2106 participants. There was no statistically significant difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group in any of the trials…from the limited results it is unclear whether the wearing of surgical face masks by members of the surgical team has any impact on surgical wound infection rates for patients undergoing clean surgery.”
19) Disposable surgical face masks: a systematic review, Lipp, 2005 “From the limited results it is unclear whether wearing surgical face masks results in any harm or benefit to the patient undergoing clean surgery.”
20) Comparison of the Filter Efficiency of Medical Nonwoven Fabrics against Three Different Microbe Aerosols, Shimasaki , 2018 “We conclude that the filter efficiency test using the phi-X174 phage aerosol may overestimate the protective performance of nonwoven fabrics with filter structure compared to that against real pathogens such as the influenza virus.”
21) The use of masks and respirators to preventtransmission of influenza: a systematic review of thescientific evidence21) The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence, Bin-Reza, 2012 The use of masks and respirators to preventtransmission of influenza: a systematic review of thescientific evidence“None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection. Some evidence suggests that mask use is best undertaken as part of a package of personal protection especially hand hygiene.”
22) Facial protection for healthcare workers during pandemics: a scoping review, Godoy, 2020 “Compared with surgical masks, N95 respirators perform better in laboratory testing, may provide superior protection in inpatient settings and perform equivalently in outpatient settings. Surgical mask and N95 respirator conservation strategies include extended use, reuse or decontamination, but these strategies may result in inferior protection. Limited evidence suggests that reused and improvised masks should be used when medical-grade protection is unavailable.”
23) Assessment of Proficiency of N95 Mask Donning Among the General Public in Singapore, Yeung, 2020 “These findings support ongoing recommendations against the use of N95 masks by the general public during the COVID-19 pandemic.5 N95 mask use by the general public may not translate into effective protection but instead provide false reassurance. Beyond N95 masks, proficiency among the general public in donning surgical masks needs to be assessed.”
24) Evaluating the efficacy of cloth facemasks in reducing particulate matter exposure, Shakya, 2017 “Standard N95 mask performance was used as a control to compare the results with cloth masks, and our results suggest that cloth masks are only marginally beneficial in protecting individuals from particles<2.5 μm.”
25) Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: a randomized controlled trial, Jacobs, 2009 “Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.”
26) N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel, Radonovich, 2019 “Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
27) Does Universal Mask Wearing Decrease or Increase the Spread of COVID-19?, Watts up with that? 2020 “A survey of peer-reviewed studies shows that universal mask wearing (as opposed to wearing masks in specific settings) does not decrease the transmission of respiratory viruses from people wearing masks to people who are not wearing masks.”
28) Masking: A Careful Review of the Evidence, Alexander, 2021 “In fact, it is not unreasonable at this time to conclude that surgical and cloth masks, used as they currently are, have absolutely no impact on controlling the transmission of Covid-19 virus, and current evidence implies that face masks can be actually harmful.”
29) Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities — United States, July 2020, Fisher, 2020 Reported characteristics of symptomatic adults ≥18 years who were outpatients in 11 US academic health care facilities and who received positive and negative SARS-CoV-2 test results (N = 314)* — United States, July 1–29, 2020, revealed that 80% of infected persons wore face masks almost all or most of the time.
30) Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions against COVID-19 in Europe: a quasi-experimental study, Hunter, 2020 Face masks in public was not associated with reduced incidence.
31) Masking lack of evidence with politics, CEBM, Heneghan, 2020 “It would appear that despite two decades of pandemic preparedness, there is considerable uncertainty as to the value of wearing masks. For instance, high rates of infection with cloth masks could be due to harms caused by cloth masks, or benefits of medical masks. The numerous systematic reviews that have been recently published all include the same evidence base so unsurprisingly broadly reach the same conclusions.”
32) Transmission of COVID-19 in 282 clusters in Catalonia, Spain: a cohort study, Marks, 2021 “We observed no association of risk of transmission with reported mask usage by contacts, with the age or sex of the index case, or with the presence of respiratory symptoms in the index case at the initial study visit.”
33) Non-pharmaceutical public health measures for mitigating the risk and impact of epidemic and pandemic influenza, WHO, 2020 “Ten RCTs were included in the meta-analysis, and there was no evidence that face masks are effective in reducing transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
34) The Strangely Unscientific Masking of America, Younes, 2020 “One report reached its conclusion based on observations of a “dummy head attached to a breathing simulator.” Another analyzed use of surgical masks on people experiencing at least two symptoms of acute respiratory illness. Incidentally, not one of these studies involved cloth masks or accounted for real-world mask usage (or misusage) among lay people, and none established efficacy of widespread mask-wearing by people not exhibiting symptoms. There was simply no evidence whatsoever that healthy people ought to wear masks when going about their lives, especially outdoors.”
35) Facemasks and similar barriers to prevent respiratory illness such as COVID-19: A rapid systematic review, Brainard, 2020 “31 eligible studies (including 12 RCTs). Narrative synthesis and random-effects meta-analysis of attack rates for primary and secondary prevention in 28 studies were performed. Based on the RCTs we would conclude that wearing facemasks can be very slightly protective against primary infection from casual community contact, and modestly protective against household infections when both infected and uninfected members wear facemasks. However, the RCTs often suffered from poor compliance and controls using facemasks.”
36) The Year of Disguises, Koops, 2020 “The healthy people in our society should not be punished for being healthy, which is exactly what lockdowns, distancing, mask mandates, etc. do…Children should not be wearing face coverings. We all need constant interaction with our environments and that is especially true for children. This is how their immune system develops. They are the lowest of the low-risk groups. Let them be kids and let them develop their immune systems… The “Mask Mandate” idea is a truly ridiculous, knee-jerk reaction and needs to be withdrawn and thrown in the waste bin of disastrous policy, along with lockdowns and school closures. You can vote for a person without blindly supporting all of their proposals!”
37) Open Schools, Covid-19, and Child and Teacher Morbidity in Sweden, Ludvigsson, 2020 “1,951,905 children in Sweden (as of December 31, 2019) who were 1 to 16 years of age, were examined…social distancing was encouraged in Sweden, but wearing face masks was not…No child with Covid-19 died.”
38) Double-Masking Benefits Are Limited, Japan Supercomputer Finds, Reidy, 2021 “Wearing two masks offers limited benefits in preventing the spread of droplets that could carry the coronavirus compared to one well-fitted disposable mask, according to a Japanese study that modeled the dispersal of droplets on a supercomputer.”
39) Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses. Part 1 – Face masks, eye protection and person distancing: systematic review and meta-analysis, Jefferson, 2020 “There was insufficient evidence to provide a recommendation on the use of facial barriers without other measures. We found insufficient evidence for a difference between surgical masks and N95 respirators and limited evidence to support effectiveness of quarantine.”
40) Should individuals in the community without respiratory symptoms wear facemasks to reduce the spread of COVID-19?, NIPH, 2020 “Non-medical facemasks include a variety of products. There is no reliable evidence of the effectiveness of non-medical facemasks in community settings. There is likely to be substantial variation in effectiveness between products. However, there is only limited evidence from laboratory studies of potential differences in effectiveness when different products are used in the community.”
41) Is a mask necessary in the operating theatre?, Orr, 1981 “It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all but operating in silence. Whatever its relation to contamination, bacterial counts, or the dissemination of squames, there is no direct evidence that the wearing of masks reduces wound infection.”
42) The surgical mask is a bad fit for risk reduction, Neilson, 2016 “As recently as 2010, the US National Academy of Sciences declared that, in the community setting, “face masks are not designed or certified to protect the wearer from exposure to respiratory hazards.” A number of studies have shown the inefficacy of the surgical mask in household settings to prevent transmission of the influenza virus.”
43) Facemask versus No Facemask in Preventing Viral Respiratory Infections During Hajj: A Cluster Randomised Open Label Trial, Alfelali, 2019 “Facemask use does not prevent clinical or laboratory-confirmed viral respiratory infections among Hajj pilgrims.”
44) Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis, Vainshelboim, 2021 “The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression.”
45) The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence, Bin-Reza, 2011 “None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection. Some evidence suggests that mask use is best undertaken as part of a package of personal protection especially hand hygiene.”
46) Are Face Masks Effective? The Evidence., Swiss Policy Research, 2021 “Most studies found little to no evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in the general population, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control.”
47) Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: A controlled study, Tunevall, 1991 “These results indicate that the use of face masks might be reconsidered. Masks may be used to protect the operating team from drops of infected blood and from airborne infections, but have not been proven to protect the patient operated by a healthy operating team.”
48) Mask mandate and use efficacy in state-level COVID-19 containment, Guerra, 2021 “Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19 growth surges.”
49) Twenty Reasons Mandatory Face Masks are Unsafe, Ineffective and Immoral, Manley, 2021 “A CDC-funded review on masking in May 2020 came to the conclusion: “Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza… None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group.” If masks can’t stop the regular flu, how can they stop SAR-CoV-2?”
50) A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers, MacIntyre, 2015 “First RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection…the rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.”
51) Horowitz: Data from India continues to blow up the ‘Delta’ fear narrative, Blazemedia, 2021 “Rather than proving the need to sow more panic, fear, and control over people, the story from India — the source of the “Delta” variant — continues to refute every current premise of COVID fascism…Masks failed to stop the spread there.”
52) An outbreak caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant (B.1.617.2) in a secondary care hospital in Finland, May 2021, Hetemäki, 2021 Reporting on a nosocomial hospital outbreak in Finland, Hetemäli et al. observed that “both symptomatic and asymptomatic infections were found among vaccinated health care workers, and secondary transmission occurred from those with symptomatic infections despite use of personal protective equipment.”
53) Nosocomial outbreak caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant in a highly vaccinated population, Israel, July 2021, Shitrit, 2021 In a hospital outbreak investigation in Israel, Shitrit et al. observed “high transmissibility of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant among twice vaccinated and masked individuals.” They added that “this suggests some waning of immunity, albeit still providing protection for individuals without comorbidities.” Again, despite use of personal protective equipment.
54) 47 studies confirm ineffectiveness of masks for COVID and 32 more confirm their negative health effects, Lifesite news staff, 2021 “No studies were needed to justify this practice since most understood viruses were far too small to be stopped by the wearing of most masks, other than sophisticated ones designed for that task and which were too costly and complicated for the general public to properly wear and keep changing or cleaning. It was also understood that long mask wearing was unhealthy for wearers for common sense and basic science reasons.”
55) Are EUA Face Masks Effective in Slowing the Spread of a Viral Infection?, Dopp, 2021 The vast evidence shows that masks are ineffective.
56) CDC Study finds overwhelming majority of people getting coronavirus wore masks, Boyd/Federalist, 2021 “A Centers for Disease Control report released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19, even for those people who consistently wear them.”
57) Most Mask Studies Are Garbage, Eugyppius, 2021 “The other kind of study, the proper kind, would be a randomised controlled trial. You compare the rates of infection in a masked cohort against rates of infection in an unmasked cohort. Here things have gone much, much worse for mask brigade. They spent months trying to prevent the publication of the Danish randomised controlled trial, which found that masks do zero. When that paper finally squeaked into print, they spent more months trying desperately to poke holes in it. You could feel their boundless relief when the Bangladesh study finally appeared to save them in early September. Every last Twitter blue-check could now proclaim that Science Shows Masks Work. Such was their hunger for any scrap of evidence to prop up their prior convictions, that none of them noticed the sad nature of the Science in question. The study found a mere 10% reduction in seroprevalence among the masked cohort, an effect so small that it fell within the confidence interval. Even the study authors couldn’t exclude the possibility that masks in fact do zero.”
58) Using face masks in the community: first update, ECDC, 2021 “No high-quality evidence in favor of face masks and recommended their use only based on the ‘precautionary principle.”
59) Do physical measures such as hand-washing or wearing masks stop or slow down the spread of respiratory viruses?, Cochrane, 2020 “Seven studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness (9 studies; 3507 people); and probably makes no difference in how many people have flu confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 3005 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported, but included discomfort.”
60) Mouth-nose protection in public: No evidence of effectiveness, Thieme/ Kappstein, 2020 “The use of masks in public spaces is questionable simply because of the lack of scientific data. If one also considers the necessary precautions, masks must even be considered a risk of infection in public spaces according to the rules known from hospitals… If masks are worn by the population, the risk of infection is potentially increased, regardless of whether they are medical masks or whether they are so-called community masks designed in any way. If one considers the precautionary measures that the RKI as well as the international health authorities have pronounced, all authorities would even have to inform the population that masks should not be worn in public spaces at all. Because no matter whether it is a duty for all citizens or voluntarily borne by the citizens who want it for whatever reason, it remains a fact that masks can do more harm than good in public.”
61) US mask guidance for kids is the strictest across the world, Skelding, 2021 “Kids need to see faces,” Jay Bhattacharya, a professor of medicine at Stanford University, told The Post. Youngsters watch people’s mouths to learn to speak, read and understand emotions, he said.“We have this idea that this disease is so bad that we must adopt any means necessary to stop it from spreading,” he said. “It’s not that masks in schools have no costs. They actually do have substantial costs.”
62) Masking young children in school harms language acquisition, Walsh, 2021 “This is important because children and/or students do not have the speech or language ability that adults have — they are not equally able and the ability to see the face and especially the mouth is critical to language acquisition which children and/or students are engaged in at all times. Furthermore, the ability to see the mouth is not only essential to communication but also essential to brain development.”
63) The Case Against Masks for Children, Makary, 2021 “It’s abusive to force kids who struggle with them to sacrifice for the sake of unvaccinated adults… Do masks reduce Covid transmission in children? Believe it or not, we could find only a single retrospective study on the question, and its results were inconclusive. Yet two weeks ago the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sternly decreed that 56 million U.S. children and adolescents, vaccinated or not, should cover their faces regardless of the prevalence of infection in their community. Authorities in many places took the cue to impose mandates in schools and elsewhere, on the theory that masks can’t do any harm. That isn’t true. Some children are fine wearing a mask, but others struggle. Those who have myopia can have difficulty seeing because the mask fogs their glasses. (This has long been a problem for medical students in the operating room.) Masks can cause severe acne and other skin problems. The discomfort of a mask distracts some children from learning. By increasing airway resistance during exhalation, masks can lead to increased levels of carbon dioxide in the blood. And masks can be vectors for pathogens if they become moist or are used for too long.”
. Wat een kutvolk is het hier soms.Ga jij maar lekker de hele zomer met een mondkapje op lopen, veel plezierquote:
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Prikjes doen we niet aan. Afstand houden en mondkapje op doen we wel.
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Zeiken op een mondkapje
dom volk hier somsO ja, want het is natuurlijk een werkelijk gigantische moeite om een mondkapje te dragen om kwetsbaren te beschermen tegen een potentieel dodelijk virusquote:
. Echt iets om je enorm over te winden . Fucking stumpers Succes met je mondkapje dragen. Ga jij hem nu met de oplopende besmettingen weer dragen zonder dat de overheid er om vraagt?quote:
Goede regels. Kijk maar wat er gebeurde toen ze alle regels 25 februari loslieten. IEDEREEN ZIEK!
Mondkapje op en afstand houden. Zo moeilijk is dat niet. Hoewel Nederlanders heel eigenwijs zijn met mondkapjes (arrogantie).
In Portugal droeg iedereen keurig zijn mondkapje toen ik daar was op vakantie.
In een dictatuur doet iedereen mee.quote:
Het is natuurlijk een werkelijk gigantische moeite om als kwetsbare zo,n ffp2? spetterlap te dragen om je eigen te beschermen zodat de rest door kan gaan met leven.
VirusbeestGENOTquote:
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O ja, want het is natuurlijk een werkelijk gigantische moeite om een mondkapje te dragen om kwetsbaren te beschermen tegen een potentieel dodelijk virus
Die kwetsbaren kunnen zichzelf ook gewoon thuis opsluiten als ze echt zo bang zijn om het op te lopen. Hoef je de rest van de bevolking niet meer op te zadelen met die onzin maatregelen.quote:
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O ja, want het is natuurlijk een werkelijk gigantische moeite om een mondkapje te dragen om kwetsbaren te beschermen tegen een potentieel dodelijk virus
Kwetsbaren kunnen zichzelf beschermen door een mondkapje op te zetten. Deugneuzen van 30 kunnen ook uit eigen beweging een mondkapje opzetten om aan je medemens te tonen dat je een goed mens bent, heb je geen regeringsadvies voor nodig. Val anderen daar dan ook niet mee lastigquote:
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O ja, want het is natuurlijk een werkelijk gigantische moeite om een mondkapje te dragen om kwetsbaren te beschermen tegen een potentieel dodelijk virus
Maar die willen dat jij een kap draagt voor hun veiligheidquote:
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Kwetsbaren kunnen zichzelf beschermen door een mondkapje op te zetten. Deugneuzen van 30 kunnen ook uit eigen beweging een mondkapje opzetten om aan je medemens te tonen dat je een goed mens bent, heb je geen regeringsadvies voor nodig. Val anderen daar dan ook niet mee lastig
Kwetsbaren kunnen zich moeilijk zelf beschermen tegen zieke personen die het lollig vinden om te dicht op kwetsbaren te gaan staan ademen. Denken waarschijnlijk "ik ziek, dan ook maar iedereen doodziek"quote:
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Kwetsbaren kunnen zichzelf beschermen door een mondkapje op te zetten. Deugneuzen van 30 kunnen ook uit eigen beweging een mondkapje opzetten om aan je medemens te tonen dat je een goed mens bent, heb je geen regeringsadvies voor nodig. Val anderen daar dan ook niet mee lastig
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Duitsland deed het veel beter dan Nederland. Mensen houden zich goed aan de basisregels en Nederland krijgt de regels die ze als bevolking verdienen helaas.quote:
Ben eens benieuwd of Duitsland het beter gaat doen qua cijfers komende winter, daar loopt op straat en in de supermarkten zeker nog de helft van de mensen met mondkapjes op. En op de Duitse TV ziet het er ook nog steeds iedere avond uit alsof we midden in de pandemie zitten.
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Duitsland deed het veel beter dan Nederland. Mensen houden zich goed aan de basisregels en Nederland krijgt de regels die ze als bevolking verdienen helaas.
Jammer dan, ik neem een andere wegquote:
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Duitsland deed het veel beter dan Nederland. Mensen houden zich goed aan de basisregels en Nederland krijgt de regels die ze als bevolking verdienen helaas.
Wat een vertoning zegquote:
Ben eens benieuwd of Duitsland het beter gaat doen qua cijfers komende winter, daar loopt op straat en in de supermarkten zeker nog de helft van de mensen met mondkapjes op. En op de Duitse TV ziet het er ook nog steeds iedere avond uit alsof we midden in de pandemie zitten.
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Als dit echt recente beelden zijn dan zijn ze daar echt knettergek.quote:
Het land van de twee wereldoorlogen, ja die zijn heel volgzaam.quote:
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Als dit echt recente beelden zijn dan zijn ze daar echt knettergek.
Jezusquote:
Ben eens benieuwd of Duitsland het beter gaat doen qua cijfers komende winter, daar loopt op straat en in de supermarkten zeker nog de helft van de mensen met mondkapjes op. En op de Duitse TV ziet het er ook nog steeds iedere avond uit alsof we midden in de pandemie zitten.
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Is dat niet alleen voor de show? Alleen in het OV moet je die dingen nog op tochquote:
Ben eens benieuwd of Duitsland het beter gaat doen qua cijfers komende winter, daar loopt op straat en in de supermarkten zeker nog de helft van de mensen met mondkapjes op. En op de Duitse TV ziet het er ook nog steeds iedere avond uit alsof we midden in de pandemie zitten.
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hou wort?quote:
Hoeft niet en het personeel draagt het ook niet.
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Als die figuur het allemaal zo eng vindt in de trein dan zet hij toch een mondkapje op? Wat zijn er toch een stel autisten in dit land zeg.quote:
Nee iemand anders moet regels bedenken zodat een clubje dat "keurig" kan opvolgen en ze met hun vingertje naar anderen kunnen wijzen die dat niet doen.quote:
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Als die figuur het allemaal zo eng vindt in de trein dan zet hij toch een mondkapje op? Wat zijn er toch een stel autisten in dit land zeg.
Want verantwoordelijkheid voor je eigen shit nemen is heel moeilijk blijkbaar. Wil je een mondkapje dragen, doe dat. Zo niet, dan niet. Maar nee, er moet naar anderen gewezen worden (vooral door die hardnekkige moraalridders).
Sommige vinden het geweldig dat andere iets opgelegd wordt.quote:
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Nee iemand anders moet regels bedenken zodat een clubje dat "keurig" kan opvolgen en ze met hun vingertje naar anderen kunnen wijzen die dat niet doen.
Want verantwoordelijkheid voor je eigen shit nemen is heel moeilijk blijkbaar. Wil je een mondkapje dragen, doe dat. Zo niet, dan niet. Maar nee, er moet naar anderen gewezen worden (vooral door die hardnekkige moraalridders).
Omdat alleen het horen van het woord corona bij sommigen al genoeg is om een rood waas voor de ogen te krijgen en weer in de maart 2020-Pavlov te schieten. Dat we intussen bijna 2,5 jaar verder zijn, we mildere varianten hebben en er door miljoenen infecties en vaccinaties heel veel immuniteit is opgebouwd, vergeten zij telkens.quote:
Ik snap ook niet zo goed wat er mis is met "teringveel" corona als er maar 20 mensen op de IC liggen. Het hele probleem van corona was toch niet dat het er was maar dat de ziekenhuizen overbelast waren en dat er mensen dood gingen. Nou volgens mij gebeurt dat nu stukken minder, dus waarom zou ik geen corona op mogen lopen? Het interesseert me echt weinig.
Ik las iets over 50% long covid. Als we dat voor elkaar weten te krijgen is onze samenleving kaputquote:
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Omdat alleen het horen van het woord corona bij sommigen al genoeg is om een rood waas voor de ogen te krijgen en weer in de maart 2020-Pavlov te schieten. Dat we intussen bijna 2,5 jaar verder zijn, we mildere varianten hebben en er door miljoenen infecties en vaccinaties heel veel immuniteit is opgebouwd, vergeten zij telkens.
50 procent long covid, lol whut?quote:
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Ik las iets over 50% long covid. Als we dat voor elkaar weten te krijgen is onze samenleving kaput
Zo zie je maar dat een pandemie geen vereiste is om een bevolking fopregels op te kunnen laten volgen.quote:
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Moet je voorstellen dat dit voor gaat komen. Ook al komt er niemand op de IC, dan nog is je samenleving wegquote:
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50 procent long covid, lol whut?
Zeker. Of bijvoorbeeld bij airborne-vinkentering, dan is je samenleving ook weg. Supereng!quote:
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Moet je voorstellen dat dit voor gaat komen. Ook al komt er niemand op de IC, dan nog is je samenleving weg
Ja maar long loopneus!quote:
Ik snap ook niet zo goed wat er mis is met "teringveel" corona als er maar 20 mensen op de IC liggen. Het hele probleem van corona was toch niet dat het er was maar dat de ziekenhuizen overbelast waren en dat er mensen dood gingen. Nou volgens mij gebeurt dat nu stukken minder, dus waarom zou ik geen corona op mogen lopen? Het interesseert me echt weinig.
Ongetwijfeld bedoeld om een goed voorbeeld te geven aan de bevolking. Bij RTL hadden ze vanavond allemaal een mooi rood mondkapje op.quote:
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Ongetwijfeld bedoeld om een goed voorbeeld te geven aan de bevolking. Bij RTL hadden ze vanavond allemaal een mooi rood mondkapje op.
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Wat een cucks daar in Duitsland.
Stelletje slaven
Doen ze zelf maar.quote:
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O ja, want het is natuurlijk een werkelijk gigantische moeite om een mondkapje te dragen om kwetsbaren te beschermen tegen een potentieel dodelijk virus
Gaat echt helemaal nergens over en deden we voor cojona ook niet.
Het is nu tot snotneus verworden voor veruit de meesten en nooit standaard geweest dat de hele maatschappij een bekpamper ging dragen bij een virusje.
Zwakken beschermen zichzelf maar. Ze weten zelf dat ze zwak zijn en niet de maatschappij.
Er zijn niet veel woorden die me meer irriteren dan deze.
De basisregels, hoe bedenk je het.
Dat concept loopt natuurlijk mank zodra mensen met corona ziek thuis blijven. Dan is er geen 'volle kracht' meer. Wat dacht je daar van?quote:
Helemaal niet. Op volle kracht doordraaien, wat dacht je daar van?
Is al gezegd maar het kwartje valt niet.quote:
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Dat concept loopt natuurlijk mank zodra mensen met corona ziek thuis blijven. Dan is er geen 'volle kracht' meer. Wat dacht je daar van?
Klopt, mensen weten het altijd beter. Ze staan erop dat er weer gedeeltelijke restricties worden opgelegd, constateren dan dat het R-getal desondanks blijft stijgen, doen paniekerig, roepen om meer maatregelen want "die eigenwijze Nederlanders houden zich niet aan de regels", eisen sluiting van sectoren en krijgen nog hun zin ook.quote:
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Weet je wat geld kost? Door de koppigheid en eigenwijsheid van mensen de boel moeten dichtgooien omdat ze zich niet aan de basisregels houden.
Beter op halve kracht doordraaien omdat mensen zich aan de basisregels houden dan alles dicht moeten gooien . Maar mensen weten het altijd beter in deze maatschappij helaas.
Zeg dan meteen dat je alles weer op slot wilt gooien.
Het is een cyclus die ooit moet worden doorbroken als we onze oude maatschappij terug willen. De normale, zeg maar.
Ja maar dan valt meer dan vijftig procent van de samenleving dood neer met long covid!quote:
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Het is een cyclus die ooit moet worden doorbroken als we onze oude maatschappij terug willen. De normale, zeg maar.
