Dit heeft betrekkelijk weinig met het conflict Israel - palestina te maken.quote:Op dinsdag 22 november 2022 15:59 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:
Aanslag op Iraanse oppositie in Londen verijdeld na waarschuwing van Israel
Dreiging was zo groot dat de politie 7 pantserwagens voor de deur geparkeerd heeft
Israel tipped off UK about Iranian plan to attack local journalists
Information led to police alerting two reporters from regime-critical Iran International network that they were in danger, foiling plot, says Kan broadcaster
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quote:Israel's outgoing Interior Minister Ayelet Shaked has refused to grant asylum to a refugee who is likely to face female genital mutilation, despite the fact that the request was unanimously supported by her ministry's consultative committee on refugee policy.
Shaked’s detailed decision acknowledges that the Israeli Supreme Court has ruled that female genital mutilation can be grounds for the granting of refugee status in some instances. However, she stated that the Geneva Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees is not designed to address all of the difficulties and hardships suffered by hundreds of millions of people in developing countries. A threshold of some kind is required as sufficient grounds for persecution to provide a basis for refugee status, Shaked stated.
The minister made it clear that she condemns all forms of female genital mutilation but said that it was not reasonable for Israel to recognize all forms of a cultural practice with an impact on hundreds of millions of people as grounds for refugee status in Israel.
As a matter of principle, female genital mutilation is not one specific practice, she wrote. There are a number of different forms of the practice, and they need to be distinguished from one another, she said.
In practice, Shaked stated, some of them are similar or milder than ceremonial male circumcision. Only a portion of them have the potential to inflict sufficient serious harm that could be considered persecution.
Shaked’s decision states that there is a worrying trend in the Western world that seeks to blur any distinctions among various female genital mutilation practices and that also draws a parallel between female and male circumcision to ban Jews from practicing male ritual circumcision.
Israel signed the Geneva convention on refugees, but it was never ratified by the Knesset. In addition, the Israeli law on entry into the country explicitly states that those who enter Israel illegally should be expelled as quickly as possible. It is therefore argued that the interior minister should construe Israel’s obligations narrowly.
The Hotline for Refugees and Migrants condemned Shaked’s decision and said it was “shameful” that she would consider the decision the basis for what the organization claimed was “a final round of public relations before she leaves the ministry.”
In the specific case before the committee, Shaked stated that the committee was mistaken because it based its decision primarily on the high proportion of females in the West African country of Sierra Leone who are circumcised, mostly as children.
The practice has wide support in the country, Shaked claimed, and there is greater support for it among women than men, including women who have undergone it. In any event, she said, it would be unlikely that a woman seeking asylum in Israel from Sierra Leone would be forced to undergo it in her home country.
Ik vind het een vreselijke beslissing. Als er eentje in slaagt binnen te komen mag ze niet blijven omdat er teveel zijn die dat niet lukt die hetzelfde risico lopen.quote:Op dinsdag 29 november 2022 17:02 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:
Heel spijtig voor die vrouw maar ook wel begrijpelijk voor Israel. Als je daaraan gaat beginnen dan zijn er nog 100en miljoenen soortgelijke gevallen die je binnen moet laten of op z'n minst de zaak van in behandeling moet nemen.
Een soortgelijke situatie was er tussen 2005~2014, ze werden overspoeld met 55k Afrikanen totdat er een groot was gebouwd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_Israel.
Israel's Interior Minister Rejects Asylum Request of a Woman Facing Female Genital Mutilation
Against her ministry's recommendation, Ayelet Shaked said that a distinction needs to be made among its various forms and that asylum cannot be given to any woman subject to a practice that is so widespread in the developing world
Nu is er eigenlijk ook iets te zeggen vind ik voor die status quo waarbij de Waqf alles bepaalt waaronder dat alleen moslims op die berg mogen bidden en ik vind er ook wat van om dit als provocatie te zien, maar dat maakt dit nog steeds net zozeer een provocatie als wanneer Pegida een punt komt maken bij een moskee: het losgeslagen gekrijs bewijst het punt maar maakt de provocateur niet meer dan dat.quote:Mr Ben-Gvir's visit was his first public act since the government, led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, was sworn in five days ago.
The hilltop site is the most sacred place in Judaism and the third holiest in Islam. It is known to Jews as the Temple Mount, site of two Biblical temples, and to Muslims as Haram al-Sharif, the site of Muhammad's ascent to Heaven. The entire compound is considered to be al-Aqsa Mosque by Muslims.
Jews and other non-Muslims are allowed to go to the compound but not pray, though Palestinians see visits by Jews as attempts to change the delicate status quo.
Opnieuw de twee kanten: ik vind het niet okay dat het alleenrecht om er te bidden wordt geclaimd door de islamitische organisaties maar hun angst dat dit de aanzet is om de hele handel over te nemen is terecht.quote:Muslim prayer continued to be the only form of worship allowed there, although a bar on Jewish visits was lifted. Palestinians argue that in recent years, steps have been taken that undermine the status quo, with Orthodox Jewish visitors often seen praying quietly without being stopped by Israeli police.
The number of visits by Jews has swelled in the past few years, something Palestinians claim is part of a surreptitious attempt to take over the site.
quote:A settler in Kiryat Araba, one of the most right-wing settlements in the illegally occupied West Bank, which is not recognised under international law, Ben-Gvir has been convicted of incitement to racism, destroying property, possessing a “terror” organisation’s propaganda material and supporting a “terror” organisation – Meir Kahane’s outlawed Kach group, which he joined when he was 16.
Ben-Gvir was also notorious for displaying on his wall a picture of Baruch Goldstein, the American Israeli who massacred 29 Palestinian worshippers at the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron in 1994.
Het was al een raar verhaal maar deze claim ookquote:
Als je enig histories besef had, zou je weten dat IsraŽl lang het streven heeft gehad vrede te sluiten met de Palestijnen en daarna met de Arabische buurlanden. Dit faalde. IsraŽl heeft daarom het roer omgegooid en is vrede met de buurlanden gaan sluiten.quote:
IsraŽl en vrede, laat me niet lachen, stelletje landje pikkersquote:Op dinsdag 3 januari 2023 16:42 schreef Jan_Onderwater het volgende:
Als je enig histories besef had, zou je weten dat IsraŽl lang het streven heeft gehad vrede te sluiten met de Palestijnen en daarna met de Arabische buurlanden. Dit faalde. IsraŽl heeft daarom het roer omgegooid en is vrede met de buurlanden gaan sluiten.
Q:Why should Palestinians who have lived in Jerusalem for hundreds of years be evicted from their homes so that Jews from Brooklyn can live in them?
A: I will answer in the most honest but blunt way possible.
Some of you will like my answer but some won’t.
The fact is:
The Palestinian Lost the war and Wars have consequences.
After World War II, millions of German Citizens were removed from German lands that were lost to expand Russia and Poland. The land of Prussia ceased to exist, their old Prussian capital KŲnigsberg renamed by Russia to Kaliningrad.
Furthermore millions of ethnic German speaking people who were citizens of various Eastern European countries and had ancestors living in those lands for two thousand years were expelled. It did not matter that they were NEVER citizens of Germany and had nothing to do with Germany’s wars of aggression, they were ethnically cleansed from across Eastern Europe. Guilt by ethnic association.
Millions of Hindus and Muslims lost their homes with the creation of Pakistan and India.
Hundreds of thousands of Jews who were citizens of Arab countries and who were NEVER associated with Israel were expelled after the creation of Israel. Guilt by religious associations.
Poland and Russia will never return land to Germany. That’s just the reality. I know ethnic Prussian who point out how they are forgetting by history.
The US will never allow a creation of an independent Native American country from their American lands. The US will never return the Southwest to Mexico either. That’s just the reality.
The Arabs who conquered and colonized the Maghreb, will not pack up and leave North Africa and return the land to the Berber. That’s just reality.
Pontus Greek whose ancestors had spend their lives as a community for two thousand years by the Black Sea and have NEVER been citizens of Greece were expelled to Greece or massacres by the Ottomans starting in 1913. Guilty by linguistics association.
Furthermore the Turks will never return Constantinople to the Greeks. That’s just the reality.
Neither the Iraq, Syria, Turkey or Iran will NEVER give up their sovereign land for an independent Kurdish homeland, no matter how many thousands of years the Kurds may have lived on that land. That’s just the reality.
During the Yugoslav Civil War of the 1990s, many communities who had lived in various villages for hundreds if not a thousand years were displaced simply for their ethnicity or faith. Borders created, population changed. Now several of those newly independent Yugoslav nations are now happy NATO members but thousands of Serbian families have never regained their lost properties.
Wars have consequences.
When Jordan ruled East Jerusalem, they did not create an independent Palestine. They took legal responsibility of the Arab population by making them citizens.
“East Jerusalem” as a concept is a double edge sword for the Palestinians. The Palestinian claim “East Jerusalem” for their future capital (historically those that lose a war do not get what they want).
The UN Partition Plan of 1947 NEVER envisioned “East Jerusalem” as a “Palestinian capital” nor a divided city.
The unified city of Jerusalem was meant to be administered “Internationally”.
The Jews accepted this plan. The Palestinians and the rest of the Arab League had a chance for peace in 1948 but they rejected this compromise and chose war. They lost. Badly.
“East Jerusalem” was simply the portion of the city that Jordan could only captured and annexed.
Palestinians and their supporters by accepting the concept of a “East Jerusalem” (a concept only created through Jordanian rule) they are thus legitimizing Jordan’s two decade rule of the West Bank and consequently all its legal aspects, this includes accepting that Jordanian Citizenship was valid and Jordan their sovereign nation. If not, then the concept of “East Jerusalem” isn’t valid.
Let us be honest here. Jordan intended to annex the whole of Palestine and ethnically cleansed the land of Jews. They largely failed in their conquest. The people of the West Bank who were under Jordanian control were given Jordanian Citizenship except the Jews.
For nearly two decades, West Bank Palestinian were born as Jordanian citizens. All young Palestinian today from the West Bank have parents or grandparents who carried Jordanian citizenship.
When Jordan granted the Palestinian citizenship, Jordan proclaimed to the international community that they took and claimed full legal international responsibility of that population. Under international law all Palestinians in the West Bank had a right not to be made stateless by Jordan regardless if Jordan lost the West Bank.
Jordan can not simply void the citizenship they granted to the Palestinian in the West Bank since there has never been an independent Palestine.
The Palestinian/Jordanians expelled the Jewish families who had lived in the city for hundreds of years, destroyed all Jewish synagogues in the city and desecrated and destroyed the Jewish cemetery. There was no outcry from the Arab world. That was the reality.
Wars have consequences.
Jerusalem was won by Israel in the Six Day War of 1967, it’s their capital now. How they managed it is their sovereign right.
Syria did not recognize the existence of Israel as a sovereign nation and did not recognize an actual “national border” with Israel. Portions of the Golan Heights even fell under the 1949 Armistice Demilitarized Zone, zones that Syria prior to 67, insisted were under no national sovereignty.
Cease fire line are not national borders, without a national border that two nations mutually recognized, this open up disputes over territories. Syria had originally hoped to claimed more territory than just the Golan Heights and have complete access to the Sea of Galilee.
Because Syria did not recognize Israel or an Israeli national sovereign border, the Golan Height and surrounding areas were disputed territory.
Syria could’ve made peace with Israel, clearly defined each other’s sovereign national border. But Syria did not and has not, it repeatedly chose war and repeatedly lost.
For those Palestinian and Arabs that demonize Israel as a “colonial-settler state”, (Jews are in fact indigenous to the Levant) they seem to have no issue with the Republic of Turkey or the “Arab Nations” of the Maghreb.
It’s been 74 years and counting since the Arab-Israeli War of 48 and many are only now starting to understand and realize that the war is over.
This is the reason why Arabs nations are finally making peace with Israel. They are finally realizing that they have gained nothing for fighting for Palestine. Sacrificing their sons for someone else’s war make no sense.
Countries that have made peace have gained from not wasting precious financial resources on a someone else’s no-win war.
Peace can not be achieved if one side does not accept it has lost. The American understood this and accepted their loss in Vietnam. The Soviets understood this and accepted their loss in Afghanistan.
Wars have consequences.
Time for the Palestinian to accept the reality that they lost and that the longer the Palestinian insist on prolonging this conflict over disputed lands, the smaller their Palestinian State will become until it is only Gaza. The war is lost, time to make peace and build a nation.
Deze heb ik op Fok al eerder voorbij zien komen, met name in relatie tot de Westelijke Sahara en de Koerden. Bij een pro-Palestina-demonstratie werden de Koerdische vlaggen letterlijk van de ruggen afgerukt door de deelnemende Turken. Tot zover de Oemmah...quote:For those Palestinian and Arabs that demonize Israel as a “colonial-settler state”, (Jews are in fact indigenous to the Levant) they seem to have no issue with the Republic of Turkey or the “Arab Nations” of the Maghreb.
Even hoor, maar vul voor "US Army" eens iets willekeurig anders in... en het resultaat is hetzelfde.quote:
Ik vind dat eigenlijk meer de correcte toepassing van vrijheid van meningsuiting.quote:Maar Israel betaalde al die tijd voor film projecten waarin ze bekritiseerd worden en door de anti Israel gemeenschap dankbaar gebruikt wordt? Dat is nog eens jezelf in de voet schieten
Tsja, ik vind het jammer.quote:https://www.timesofisrael(...)l-not-receive-funds/
New culture minister: Films ‘offensive’ to Israel will not receive funds
Miki Zohar says creators free to produce any content they wish, but if they want financial backing, they’ll need to pledge their work is not what he deems to be anti-Israeli
organizations that want to boycott Israel often point to locally produced works critical of the government and its policies toward Palestinians as proof that their claims of Israeli abuse are justified.
“In the end, the public will decide whether they come to see a film or not, but we will not compromise on the financing issue. We will not fund offensive content against IDF soldiers and the State of Israel.”