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Formal start of final phase of Afghan pullout by US, NATO

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The final phase of ending America’s “forever war” in Afghanistan after 20 years formally began Saturday, with the withdrawal of the last U.S. and NATO troops by the end of summer.

President Joe Biden had set May 1 as the official start of the withdrawal of the remaining forces — about 2,500-3,500 U.S. troops and about 7,000 NATO soldiers.

Even before Saturday, the herculean task of packing up had begun.

The military has been taking inventory, deciding what is shipped back to the U.S., what is handed to the Afghan security forces and what is sold as junk in Afghanistan’s markets. In recent weeks, the military has been flying out equipment on massive C-17 cargo planes.

The U.S. is estimated to have spent more than $2 trillion in Afghanistan in the past two decades, according to the Costs of War project at Brown University, which documents the hidden costs of the U.S. military engagement.

Defense department officials and diplomats told The Associated Press the withdrawal has involved closing smaller bases over the last year. They said that since Biden announced the end-of-summer withdrawal date in mid-April, only roughly 60 military personnel had left the country.

The U.S. and its NATO allies went into Afghanistan together on Oct. 7, 2001 to hunt the al-Qaida perpetrators of the 9/11 terrorist attacks who lived under the protection of the country’s Taliban rulers. Two months later, the Taliban had been defeated and al-Qaida fighters and their leader, Osama bin Laden, were on the run.

In his withdrawal announcement last month, Biden said the initial mission was accomplished a decade ago when U.S. Navy SEALS killed bin Laden in his hideout in neighboring Pakistan. Since then, al-Qaida has been degraded, while the terrorist threat has “metastasized” into a global phenomenon that is not contained by keeping thousands of troops in one country, he said.

Until now the U.S. and NATO have received no promises from the Taliban that they won’t attack troops during the pullout. In a response to AP questions, Taliban spokesman Suhail Shaheen said the Taliban leadership was still mulling over its strategy.

The insurgent group continues to accuse Washington of breaching the deal it signed with Biden’s predecessor more than a year ago. In that agreement, the U.S. said it would have all troops out by May 1.

In a statement Saturday, Taliban military spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said the passing of the May 1 deadline for a complete withdrawal “opened the way for (Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan) mujahidin to take every counteraction it deems appropriate against the occupying forces.”

However, he said fighters on the battlefield will wait for a decision from the leadership before launching any attacks and that decision will be based on “the sovereignty, values and higher interests of the country.”

Violence has spiked in Afghanistan since the February 2020 deal was signed. Peace talks between the Taliban and Afghan government, which were part of the agreement, quickly bogged down. On Friday, a truck bomb in eastern Logar province killed 21 people, many of them police and students.

Afghans have paid the highest price since 2001, with 47,245 civilians killed, according to the Costs of War project. Millions more have been displaced inside Afghanistan or have fled to Pakistan, Iran and Europe.

Afghanistan’s security forces are expected to come under increasing pressure from the Taliban after the withdrawal if no peace agreement is reached in the interim, according to Afghan watchers.

Since the start of the war they have taken heavy losses, with estimates ranging from 66,000 to 69,000 Afghan troops killed. The Afghan military has been battered by corruption. The U.S. and NATO pay $4 billion a year to sustain the force.

Some 300,000 Afghan troops are on the books, although the actual number is believed to be lower. Commanders have been found to inflate the numbers to collect paychecks of so-called “ghost soldiers,” according to the U.S. watchdog monitoring Washington’s spending in Afghanistan.

Last year was the only year U.S. and NATO troops did not suffer a loss. The Defense Department says 2,442 U.S. troops have been killed and 20,666 wounded since 2001. It is estimated that over 3,800 U.S. private security contractors have been killed. The Pentagon does not track their deaths.

The conflict also has killed 1,144 personnel from NATO countries.

The Taliban, meanwhile, are at their strongest since being ousted in 2001. While mapping their gains and territorial holds is difficult, they are believed to hold sway or outright control over nearly half of Afghanistan.

“We are telling the departing Americans ... you fought a meaningless war and paid a cost for that and we also offered huge sacrifices for our liberation,” Shaheen told the AP on Friday.

Striking a more conciliatory tone, he added: “If you ... open a new chapter of helping Afghans in reconstruction and rehabilitation of the country, the Afghans will appreciate that.”

In announcing the departure, Biden said waiting for ideal conditions to leave would consign America to an indefinite stay.

In the Afghan capital and throughout the country, there is a growing fear that chaos will follow the departure of the last foreign troops. After billions of dollars and decades of war, many Afghans wonder at whether it was worth it.
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Einde van een tijdperk.
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Dit kan je ook niet echt handig noemen he.

[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door #ANONIEM op 26-08-2021 21:47:06 ]
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Ik hoorde vandaag dat er explosies zijn geweest bij vliegveld Kabul
Eens kijken
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 21:50 schreef Maharski het volgende:
Ik hoorde vandaag dat er explosies zijn geweest bij vliegveld Kabul
Fake news waarschijnlijk. Bron?
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 21:44 schreef Hamzoef het volgende:

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Iran staat al tijdje op verlanglijstje.
Dat wordt echt wel een gevalletje Vietnam dan itt Afghanistan of Irak.
A Robin Redbreast in a Cage Puts all Heaven in a Rage.
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 21:46 schreef Scrummie het volgende:
Dit kan je ook niet echt handig noemen he.
Ik denk dat de Taliban echt wel naar de VS luistert en andersom. Die zijn nu wel braaf. Straks niet meer, maar nu wel.
A Robin Redbreast in a Cage Puts all Heaven in a Rage.
  donderdag 26 augustus 2021 @ 21:53:45 #8
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More than meets the eye
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Krijgen we nog Amerikaanse represailles?
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 21:53 schreef WheeledWarrior het volgende:
Krijgen we nog Amerikaanse represailles?
Om 23:00, hopen we.
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 21:50 schreef Maharski het volgende:
Ik hoorde vandaag dat er explosies zijn geweest bij vliegveld Kabul
Hoe bevalt je nieuwe cochleair implantaat? Dat ze die zo laat op donderdag nog plaatsen zeg...
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 21:53 schreef WheeledWarrior het volgende:
Krijgen we nog Amerikaanse represailles?
Tegen wie? Een of andere lokale afsplitsing van IS. Vind die maar als je gefocust bent op het terugtrekken.
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Nieuwe explosies

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Daarnaast zal Biden het volk binnen een paar min toespreken
A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it.
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Nog een explosie zojuist volgens sommige bronnen

Paar minuten? 23u toch?
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 21:57 schreef myShizzle het volgende:
Nog een explosie zojuist volgens sommige bronnen

Paar minuten? 23u toch?
Daar lijkt het wel op

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Als het staf hem wakker kan krijgen natuurlijk
A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it.
  donderdag 26 augustus 2021 @ 22:00:09 #16
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Arrow to the knee!
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 21:43 schreef Aloulu het volgende:

Ik ben nog geen enkele partij tegengekomen behalve ISIS die niet door ISIS zijn bestreden. Het is de ultieme vorm de meest krankzinnige extremistische takfiri (ongelovig verklarende vorm) van wahabi-islam. Alles en iedere politieke groep behalve henzelf moet eraan geloven.
Jammer dat de Taliban bij onderstaand conflict niet de rest van ISIS-K te grazen kon nemen. Die fuckers werden notabene gered door de Afghan airforce waarna ze in de gevangenis kwamen, recentelijk dus weer bevrijd door de Taliban en vandaag hebben we 3 zelfmoordaanslagen van ze.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Darzab_(2018)
By this time, Darzab was held by about 600 to 700 ISIL-K fighters according to estimates of the Afghan government.[7] On 22 July, the Taliban overran ISIL-K at the villages of Mughal and Sardara, Darzab, where they killed Haji Murad (also known as Haji Qumandan), the Islamic State's deputy commander for Jowzjan.[5][3] In course of heavy combat, the Taliban reportedly inflicted hundreds of casualties on ISIL-K,[a] and captured much war materiel.[4] By 20 July, 3,500 to 7,000 civilians had been displaced by the fighting.[10]

By 30 July, ISIL-K was reduced to just two villages in Darzab, whereupon its leaders Mawlavi Habibul Rahman and Mufti Nemat decided to contact the Afghan government;[1] they subsequently agreed to surrender in exchange for protection from the Taliban.[1][4][13] The Afghan Air Force then started to bombard Taliban positions to prevent them from capturing the remaining Islamic State forces and to ensure their surrender.[1] Nemat later claimed that the Afghan National Army had also agreed to evacuate them with helicopters, though this came not to pass; instead, the Islamic State fighters had to reach government-held territories on foot.[1] About 245 fighters,[9] alongside their families, subsequently surrendered on 1 August, though some Islamic State fighters had disappeared during the retreat. Nemat later speculated that these militants had possibly defected to the Taliban.[1] Among those who laid down arms were, besides Mawlavi and Nemat,[4][11] another commander known as "Sibghatullah",[4] about 100 child soldiers,[14] and 25 to 30 foreign mujahideen.[1]
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 21:40 schreef Momo het volgende:
Hoe staan ISIS en de taliban eigenlijk tegenover elkaar? Friend or foe?
Vijanden. IS heeft zelfs ooit de hulp van het Afghaanse leger ingeroepen toen ze door de Taliban omsingeld waren....
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Sometime in mid-July, the Taliban launched a major offensive to fully evict ISIL-K from Jowzjan Province. Islamic State commander Mawlavi Habibul Rahman later claimed that the Taliban had amassed 2,000 fighters in Jowzjan from various areas, including Helmand Province, for this operation. Employing their elite/special forces, the Red Group, the Taliban attacked the Islamic State's stronghold of Darzab from three sides simultaneously. By this time, Darzab was held by about 600 to 700 ISIL-K fighters according to estimates of the Afghan government. On 22 July, the Taliban overran ISIL-K at the villages of Mughal and Sardara, Darzab, where they killed Haji Murad (also known as Haji Qumandan), the Islamic State's deputy commander for Jowzjan. In course of heavy combat, the Taliban reportedly inflicted hundreds of casualties on ISIL-K,[a] and captured much war materiel. By 20 July, 3,500 to 7,000 civilians had been displaced by the fighting.

By 30 July, ISIL-K was reduced to just two villages in Darzab, whereupon its leaders Mawlavi Habibul Rahman and Mufti Nemat decided to contact the Afghan government; they subsequently agreed to surrender in exchange for protection from the Taliban. The Afghan Air Force then started to bombard Taliban positions to prevent them from capturing the remaining Islamic State forces and to ensure their surrender. Nemat later claimed that the Afghan National Army had also agreed to evacuate them with helicopters, though this came not to pass; instead, the Islamic State fighters had to reach government-held territories on foot. About 245 fighters, alongside their families, subsequently surrendered on 1 August, though some Islamic State fighters had disappeared during the retreat. Nemat later speculated that these militants had possibly defected to the Taliban. Among those who laid down arms were, besides Mawlavi and Nemat, another commander known as "Sibghatullah", about 100 child soldiers, and 25 to 30 foreign mujahideen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Darzab_(2018)
are we infinite or am I alone
  donderdag 26 augustus 2021 @ 22:01:34 #18
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Arrow to the knee!
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 22:00 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:

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Lol, zelfde wikipedia artikel, 4 seconden verschil.
are we infinite or am I alone
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Als het staf hem wakker kan krijgen natuurlijk
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Dit gaat een groot bloedbad worden.
  donderdag 26 augustus 2021 @ 22:05:08 #22
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Arrow to the knee!
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 22:04 schreef kurk_droog het volgende:
Dit gaat een groot bloedbad worden.
Hoe precies? Ik zie geen duidelijk zichtbaar vijandelijk leger die hiervoor verantwoordelijk is (want het is niet de Taliban, die trouwens ook nog eens tienduizenden gijzelaars heeft) die gebombardeerd kan worden. Dit is echt de grootste clusterfuck in de moderne geschiedenis van oorlogsvoering
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Dat wordt je werkgever bellen dat jouw familiebezoek wat langer duurt of je nog een jaartje of X verlof kan krijgen.
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Dodental aanslag in Kaboel opgelopen tot 72, mogelijk honderden gewonden
Bij de aanslagen op het vliegveld van Kaboel zijn 72 doden gevallen. Dat meldt persbureau AP. Het Amerikaanse ministerie van Defensie bevestigt dat er zeker twaalf Amerikaanse militairen zijn gedood.
https://www.nu.nl/strijd-(...)derden-gewonden.html
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3s.gif Op donderdag 26 augustus 2021 22:08 schreef Rambolin het volgende:
Dodental aanslag in Kaboel opgelopen tot 72, mogelijk honderden gewonden
Bij de aanslagen op het vliegveld van Kaboel zijn 72 doden gevallen. Dat meldt persbureau AP. Het Amerikaanse ministerie van Defensie bevestigt dat er zeker twaalf Amerikaanse militairen zijn gedood.
https://www.nu.nl/strijd-(...)derden-gewonden.html
Dan worden honderden doden zo.
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