VS heeft een probleem #14

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Op vrijdag 8 oktober 2021 11:50 schreef Nober het volgende:
Land of the free.

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Op vrijdag 8 oktober 2021 12:13 schreef Morrigan het volgende:

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Ik heb wel eens gelezen/gehoord dat ze daar werknemersrechten niet zo belangrijk vinden en dat je daar voor de meest onnozele dingen ontslagen kan worden. Dus het verbaast me niks dat dit daar voorkomt.

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Op vrijdag 8 oktober 2021 12:13 schreef Morrigan het volgende:

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Ik heb wel eens gelezen/gehoord dat ze daar werknemersrechten niet zo belangrijk vinden en dat je daar voor de meest onnozele dingen ontslagen kan worden. Dus het verbaast me niks dat dit daar voorkomt.

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Op vrijdag 8 oktober 2021 12:18 schreef George_of_the_Jungle het volgende:
Wat artikelen uit C'oeur d'Alene, Idaho, waar ik (anti-vax) familie heb wonen.

Lees vooral ook de comments eronder.
https://www.facebook.com/CDAPress/posts/4646049312114128

https://cdapress.com/news/2021/oct/07/fight-real/

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U.S. Adults' Estimates of COVID-19 Hospitalization Risk

The American public's understanding of the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines may have been put to the test in recent weeks as national public health leaders openly debated whether a booster shot is needed for the general population. Meanwhile, a large gap in vaccination rates persists between Democrats and Republicans, possibly reflecting partisans' different views on the relative risks of COVID-19 versus the vaccines.

In August, Gallup surveyed over 3,000 U.S. adults on their understanding of the likelihood of hospitalization after contracting COVID-19 among those who have versus have not been vaccinated. The results show that most Americans overstate the risk of hospitalization for both groups: 92% overstate the risk that unvaccinated people will be hospitalized, and 62% overstate the risk for vaccinated people. At the same time, U.S. adults are fairly accurate at estimating the effectiveness of vaccines at preventing hospitalization, with the median respondent putting it at 80%.

Democrats provide much higher and more accurate vaccine efficacy estimates than Republicans (88% vs. 50%), and unvaccinated Republicans have a median vaccine efficacy of 0%, compared with 73% for vaccinated Republicans. The results suggest that the low vaccine uptake among Republicans may be driven, at least in part, by an inaccurate understanding of the published data on vaccine effectiveness

Background

Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, political affiliation has been a strong predictor of attitudes and behaviors related to disease risks and mitigation. Gallup's monthly tracking of adult (18+) vaccination rates in the U.S. reveals a deep political divide. As of September 2021, 92% of Democrats reported having had at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine compared with 56% of Republicans.



Previous Gallup research has found that the American public has a poor understanding of the true risks associated with the COVID-19 pandemic and that misperceptions vary by political party. In December 2020, through the Franklin Templeton-Gallup Economics of Recovery Study, we asked 5,000 U.S. adults: "As far as you know, what percentage of people who have been infected by the coronavirus needed to be hospitalized?" Only 18% provided the correct answer, which at that time was between 1% and 5%, and a higher percentage of Republicans (26%) gave the correct response than did Democrats (just 10%). Likewise, experimental research from Gallup and Franklin Templeton found that providing people information about high vaccine efficacy led to greater acceptance of the vaccine.

Data from Gallup's most recent COVID-19 Panel survey, in August, is especially relevant to the public's understanding of vaccine efficacy; in recent weeks, the Biden administration, health officials, and many in the media have expressed concerns about breakthrough infections stemming from the Delta variant of SARS-CoV2, pointing to rising infections, hospitalizations and deaths. On Aug. 18, the Department of Health and Human Services announced that it was making plans for administering booster shots to people who are already vaccinated, pending FDA approval. This caused some debate among experts. For example, on September 13, medical scholars published an analysis in a leading journal concluding that "Current evidence does not appear to show a need for boosting in the general population." Four days later, on September 17, a U.S. Food and Drug Administration panel rejected Pfizer's application for broad emergency use of a third dose, opting instead to restrict such authorization for only select groups of higher-risk persons.

In light of these debates, Gallup tested public understanding of the efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccines by asking 3,158 U.S. adults two questions during a field period of August 16-22. The items tested respondents' overall assessment of COVID hospitalization risks facing vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, allowing researchers to calculate the implied efficacy of vaccines.

The items were the following:

• As far as you know, what percentage of unvaccinated people have been hospitalized due to the coronavirus?
• As far as you know, what percentage of fully vaccinated people have been hospitalized due to the coronavirus?
• The implied efficacy of vaccines is calculated by subtracting the second response from the first and dividing by the first. If a respondent answers that 10% of unvaccinated people have been hospitalized from COVID and 5% of vaccinated people, this implies a vaccine efficacy of 50%.

How the Public Understands Hospitalization Risk

For both vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, very few adults reported a correct answer, which is less than one percent. See the discussion in the appendix for details about the correct hospitalization rates and efficacy estimates. Only 8% of U.S. adults gave correct answers for the unvaccinated population and 38% for the vaccinated population.

Partisanship was a strong predictor of accuracy, but party accuracy varied by whether the respondent was assessing the risk of the vaccinated or unvaccinated populations.

For unvaccinated hospitalization risk, 2% of Democrats responded correctly, compared with 16% of Republicans. In fact, 41% of Democrats replied that at least 50% of unvaccinated people have been hospitalized due to COVID-19.



By contrast, Democrats were more likely to estimate hospitalization risk for the vaccinated population correctly: 42% of Democrats compared with 33% of Republicans correctly reported that less than one percent of vaccinated people have been hospitalized. Very few respondents thought the risks exceed 50% (only 2% of Democrats and 7% of Republicans).



Public Understanding of Vaccine Efficacy

The relative reduction of risk from vaccination is known as the efficacy estimate. U.S. CDC data suggest that vaccines are roughly 99% effective at reducing hospitalizations. Careful studies that attempt to compare people living in the same area who face similar risks find efficacy rates around 95%, even against Delta variant, for the most common vaccines found in the United States (Pfizer, Moderna).

We used individual responses to the items on hospitalization probabilities for vaccinated and unvaccinated people to calculate an implied efficacy rate, which is the percentage reduction in risk for the vaccinated group. Again, partisanship is a strong predictor of the accuracy of these estimates. U.S. adults estimated a median efficacy rate of 80%, which is close to the actual rate. Democrats, however, were even more accurate, with a median efficacy rate of 88%. Republicans, however, expressed an efficacy rate of only 50%.

Vaccination status was also a strong predictor of efficacy estimates. Unvaccinated Republicans reported risk rates that implied zero benefit of vaccination -- an efficacy rate of 0%. By contrast, vaccinated Republicans reported an estimated efficacy of 73%, much closer to the truth. Unvaccinated Independents were also far off (12% efficacy), but vaccinated independents were close (83%) to Democrats. For Democrats, vaccination status made little difference, however. Unvaccinated Democrats still reported 80% efficacy rates. Given previous studies on the effects of the media and information during COVID, one possible reason is that Democrats are more consistently exposed to information that favorably portrays vaccine efficacy.

Discussion

Democrats are more likely to overstate hospitalization risks for unvaccinated people, which may fuel efforts, often led by Democratic Party leaders, to enforce both mask and vaccine mandates. At the same time, Republicans overstate risks to vaccinated people, leading to very low vaccine efficacy estimates. This may be one of the reasons that so many Republicans have been reluctant to get the COVID-19 vaccine. Previous research links these behavioral patterns to differences in information exposure. If so, vaccine acceptance is unlikely to significantly increase among Republicans until their trusted media or other information sources emphasize the benefits of vaccination.

Appendix: The Actual Risk and Implied Efficacy

The correct answers to hospitalization risk can be calculated using data from the Department of Health and Human Services (via HealthData.gov) and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). One needs only the following figures: 1) the population of vaccinated and unvaccinated people 2) total hospitalizations resulting from COVID-19 3) hospitalizations of vaccinated people. We used data through August 9, 2021, one week before the survey was fielded. At that time, total hospitalizations from COVID-19 were estimated to be 2.6 million, with 7,608 vaccinations found among vaccinated people. The size of the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations was nearly equal on August 9 (with 168 million vaccinated and 163 million unvaccinated).

A simplistic analysis of these numbers would yield hospitalization rates of 0.005% for the vaccinated population (1 case in 22,118) and 1.6% for the unvaccinated population (1 case in 62), but those numbers exaggerate the benefits of the vaccine because the unvaccinated population confronted many more days of risk, since vaccination was gradually rolled out starting in December of 2020. For that reason, we take the average population totals over the relevant periods for each population (March 1, 2020-Aug. 9, 2021 for the unvaccinated population and Dec. 15, 2020,-Aug. 9, 2021, for the vaccinated population). The adjusted population of vaccinated people comes to 83 million and 295 million for the vaccinated population, since the entire U.S. population was unvaccinated -- except a small number of participants in clinical trials --up until December of 2020.

Using these adjusted figures, we calculate that the hospitalization rate for the vaccinated population is 0.01% (or 1 in 10,914), and the rate for unvaccinated adults is 0.89% (or 1 case in 112 people). In both cases, therefore, the correct answer is less than one percent, but the implied efficacy rate of vaccination is 99% at preventing hospitalizations. This is calculated as the hospitalization rate for the unvaccinated minus the hospitalization rate for the vaccinated, divided by the unvaccinated rate. In other words, it is the percentage decrease in hospitalization risk. This high rate of protection -- even against Delta -- is consistent with a recent article published in the Lancet, which reviewed large-scale empirical data from the United States and around the world.

Some may argue that patients may have been hospitalized as a result of COVID but not diagnosed as such. We think this is highly unlikely to result in significant downward bias in the rates of hospitalization risk since testing at hospitals became widespread after only a few weeks at the start of the pandemic, and the vast majority of hospitalizations would have occurred since May of 2020, given data on deaths, which are more comprehensively documented. Nonetheless, using various modeling assumptions, CDC epidemiologists estimate that the actual number of hospitalizations may be 1.8 times higher than the reported number. If these estimates are accurate, the true rate of hospitalization risk for the unvaccinated population is 1.6% and as high as 0.2% for the vaccinated population. In either case, the public's misunderstanding of risk is roughly just as inaccurate. One criticism of these inflated estimates is that they assume that many people were hospitalized while asymptomatically carrying the SARS-CoV-2 virus, leading to an undetected case. The problem with this reasoning is that it would count people admitted to the hospital for non-COVID reasons who coincidentally had an asymptomatic infection. These cases were correctly omitted from official statistics since the absence of symptoms cannot cause hospitalization.

A more serious limitation is that we count each admission from COVID-19 into a hospital as a unique person. In fact, we know from scholarly research that some patients are readmitted multiple times. One paper estimates that 9% of COVID-19 patients were readmitted to the hospital. This implies that, at minimum, our hospitalization estimates should be multiplied by 0.91 to capture only hospitalizations of unique individuals. Doing so would shrink both hospitalization risk estimates, and they would still both be well below 1%.

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Op donderdag 21 oktober 2021 21:40 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:
De VS hebben een probleem is de titel van dit topic. Misschien moeten ze meer luisteren naar DeSantis?

De critici van DeSantis zwijgen als de COVID-19-gevallen in Florida dalen

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De COVID-19-reactie van Florida is beschreven als roekeloos, gevaarlijk en anti-wetenschappelijk.

De Republikeinse gouverneur doorstond maanden van minachting voor het versoepelen van pandemiebeperkingen. Men probeerde te zeggen, wanneer het virus in opkomst was, dat dit bewijs was dat de hele Republikeinse aanpak van het beheersen van het virus heeft gefaald.

Maar dalingen in Florida's case counts krijgen maar een fractie van de aandacht.

Het aantal nieuwe besmettingen per 100.000 inwoners is de afgelopen week gedaald naar 12, aldus de coronavirustracker van de New York Times. In de afgelopen 14 dagen daalde het aantal gevallen met 48%.

Andere staten met veel uitgebreidere pandemiebeperkingen zien covid-19 zich sneller verspreiden dan Florida.

In New York is het aantal nieuwe gevallen bijvoorbeeld meer dan het dubbele van dat van Florida met 25 per 100.000 inwoners in de afgelopen week.

In de staat Washington lag het aantal nieuwe besmettingen per 100.000 inwoners de afgelopen week op 31.

Gaat verder:

https://news.yahoo.com/de(...)ridas-110000651.html

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Op donderdag 21 oktober 2021 21:40 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:
De VS hebben een probleem is de titel van dit topic. Misschien moeten ze meer luisteren naar DeSantis?

De critici van DeSantis zwijgen als de COVID-19-gevallen in Florida dalen

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De COVID-19-reactie van Florida is beschreven als roekeloos, gevaarlijk en anti-wetenschappelijk.

De Republikeinse gouverneur doorstond maanden van minachting voor het versoepelen van pandemiebeperkingen. Men probeerde te zeggen, wanneer het virus in opkomst was, dat dit bewijs was dat de hele Republikeinse aanpak van het beheersen van het virus heeft gefaald.

Maar dalingen in Florida's case counts krijgen maar een fractie van de aandacht.

Het aantal nieuwe besmettingen per 100.000 inwoners is de afgelopen week gedaald naar 12, aldus de coronavirustracker van de New York Times. In de afgelopen 14 dagen daalde het aantal gevallen met 48%.

Andere staten met veel uitgebreidere pandemiebeperkingen zien covid-19 zich sneller verspreiden dan Florida.

In New York is het aantal nieuwe gevallen bijvoorbeeld meer dan het dubbele van dat van Florida met 25 per 100.000 inwoners in de afgelopen week.

In de staat Washington lag het aantal nieuwe besmettingen per 100.000 inwoners de afgelopen week op 31.

Gaat verder:

https://news.yahoo.com/de(...)ridas-110000651.html

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Op vrijdag 22 oktober 2021 20:13 schreef voetbalmanager2 het volgende:

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Komt hij weer met zijn leugens. Florida is de Staat met de meeste coronadoden van Amerika. Het beleid van De Santis heeft rampzalige gevolgen voor zijn inwoners. En jij loopt dat gewoon aan te moedigen alsof het iets fantastisch is wat daar gebeurd.,

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Op vrijdag 22 oktober 2021 20:14 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:

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Waarom heeft Florida nu de laagste besmettingscijfers volgens jou?

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Op vrijdag 22 oktober 2021 20:14 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:

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Waarom heeft Florida nu de laagste besmettingscijfers volgens jou?

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Op vrijdag 22 oktober 2021 20:19 schreef voetbalmanager2 het volgende:

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Doe eens een bron die aangeeft dat Florida de laagste besmettingscijfers over langere tijd heeft.

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Op vrijdag 22 oktober 2021 21:01 schreef Montov het volgende:

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https://www.washingtonpos(...)hs/?itid=hp_pandemic

Florida op dit moment idd de laagste (uitgezonderd Hawaii en Puerto Rico)
Qua dodental en ziekenhuisbezetting nog wel bovengemiddeld, maar dat zal wrs nog dalen.

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Een derde New Yorkse agenten dag voor deadline niet gevaccineerd

Bijna een derde van de geüniformeerde agenten van de politie van New York is niet ingeėnt tegen corona, blijkt uit door het stadsbestuur gepubliceerde cijfers. Vandaag is de deadline voor alle stadsmedewerkers van New York, dus ook voor politieagenten, om minstens eenmaal te zijn geprikt. Wie weigert krijgt onbetaald verlof.

Burgemeester Bill de Blasio had gisteren gezegd dat het politiekorps van New York (NYPD) voor 74 procent was gevaccineerd, maar had daarbij geen onderscheid gemaakt tussen geüniformeerde agenten en ander personeel. De NYPD heeft in totaal ongeveer 55.000 werknemers, waarvan zo'n 35.000 geüniformeerd zijn.

De Police Benevolent Association, de machtige politievakbond die 24.000 geüniformeerde agenten in de stad vertegenwoordigt, vecht de vaccinatieplicht voor de rechtbank aan. Die weigert echter om haar te blokkeren. Ook in grote steden als Chicago en Los Angeles verzetten politievakbonden zich tegen de vaccinatieplichten in hun stad.

Het coronavirus is dit jaar tot nu toe de belangrijkste doodsoorzaak voor agenten, net als in 2020. Volgens de Officer Down Memorial Page, een non-profitorganisatie die de dood van agenten bijhoudt, zijn in 2021 tot dusver 250 agenten overleden aan het virus. Dat is vijf keer zoveel als het aantal doden onder agenten door vuurwapengeweld.
https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/(...)-rtl-nieuws-pandemie

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Op vrijdag 8 oktober 2021 11:50 schreef Nober het volgende:
Land of the free.

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2021 08:42 schreef bianconeri het volgende:

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Alsnog vrij hoor.

Ben wel blij dat ze in de VS een goed duidelijk standpunt durven in te nemen.
Zouden ze in NL eens moeten doen met dat softe gedoe hier.

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Op vrijdag 22 oktober 2021 21:11 schreef voetbalmanager2 het volgende:

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Dat is in een week tijd inderdaad. En alleen voor het aantal positief geteste personen per 100.000 inwoners . Als je kijkt naar hoeveel testen er in Florida afgenomen worden per 100.000 inwoners, dan zitten ze ook ver onder het landelijke gemiddelde. Dat zou al een belangrijke oorzaak kunnen zijn.

Maar belangrijker: in het laatste halfjaar, sinds De Santis zijn debiele beleid aan het voeren is, heeft Florida op zo'n beetje alle lijstjes het het slechtste gedaan van alle 52 Staten van Amerika. Dat user pcp hem dan zo toejuicht en doet of het allemaal zo geweldig is in Florida dankzij het beleid van De Santis is bijzonder ongepast en bovendien compleet verkeerd.

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2021 01:08 schreef voetbalmanager2 het volgende:

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2021 09:05 schreef HowardRoark het volgende:

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Nee hoor, het beleid in Florida is uitstekend. Daar krijgt de burger tenminste de vrijheid om zelf te beslissen en wordt er niets opgedrongen.
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Ik hoop dat deze agenten voet bij stuk houden. Het verplichten van vaccinatie is belachelijk. Eens zien hoe een 'crime-ridden city' zoals New York het gaat doen met dusdanig minder mankracht bij de politie. Maar misschien was dit ook net wat ze wilden, daar schreeuwden men vorige zomer nog om: 'defund the police', 'abolish the police'.

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2021 08:42 schreef bianconeri het volgende:
Ben wel blij dat ze in de VS een goed duidelijk standpunt durven in te nemen.

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Op vrijdag 29 oktober 2021 11:27 schreef George_of_the_Jungle het volgende:
Dus vanaf vandaag 1/3 minder blauw op straat in NY?