[Harry & Meghan vs ‘The Firm’ #1] Interview met Oprah

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Op maandag 8 maart 2021 22:46 schreef Guanabana het volgende:
Nou good for them, en ik hoop dat wanneer the Queen overlijdt heel dat Koningshuis in elkaar stort en opgedoekt wordt.

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 07:07 schreef LagerthaQueenOfKatte het volgende:

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dat zou een klap zijn voor Harry je eigen broer waar je zoveel mee hebt gedeeld . Waarom ? 😢

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 09:11 schreef Ed1234 het volgende:

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Wie weet hoe dat gesprek gegaan is. Wie weet was het inderdaad heel erg racistisch. Of misschien was het drinken praat bij een biertje waarbij ze speculeerden hoe de baby er uit zou zien en op wie hij zou lijken.

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 09:17 schreef Leandra het volgende:

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Als daarbij gemeld is dat het een probleem zou zijn dat het kind op de oma aan moederskant zou lijken dan is het onschuldige er wel af.

Overigens denk ik niet dat het William en Kate waren die zich uitgesproken hebben over de zorgen over de huidskleur van het kindje.

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 09:17 schreef Leandra het volgende:

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Als daarbij gemeld is dat het een probleem zou zijn dat het kind op de oma aan moederskant zou lijken dan is het onschuldige er wel af.

Overigens denk ik niet dat het William en Kate waren die zich uitgesproken hebben over de zorgen over de huidskleur van het kindje.

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 09:44 schreef Ed1234 het volgende:
Ook beweerde ze dat Meghan loog toen ze aan Oprah vertelde dat ze weinig wist van het koningshuis en nooit iets heeft opgezocht over Harry. ,,Er zijn verschillende foto’s van haar voor Buckingham Palace. En ze was groot fan van Diana’’, zei Samantha over de moeder van Harry. ,,Ze heeft Diana uitgebreid bestudeerd: haar kleding, haar lichaamstaal, ze zorgde er zelfs voor dat ze de favoriete parfum van Diana droeg op haar eerste date met Harry. Probeer mij niet wijs te maken dat mijn zus geen idee had wie Harry was.’’

In het radioprogramma zei Samantha maandag dat ze medelijden heeft met prins Harry. ,,Ze heeft hem bij zijn familie weggehaald, bij zijn vrienden, bij het leven dat hij kende. Het doet me denken aan die ontvoeringslachtoffers die uiteindelijk gaan geloven dat ze verliefd zijn op hun kidnapper’’, aldus Samantha, refererend aan het Stockholmsyndroom.

https://www.tubantia.nl/s(...)oningshuis~aa5992c9/

Het moddergooien is begonnen.

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 09:31 schreef Ed1234 het volgende:

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Alleen weten we dat dus niet. We weten helemaal niet wat er gezegd is en door wie.

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 09:55 schreef Leandra het volgende:

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Nee, we weten alleen dat Harry het besproken heeft en dat het een probleem zou zijn als het kindje een kleurtje zou hebben.

En we weten dat het niet Elizabeth en Philip waren.

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 08:19 schreef Sunshine1982 het volgende:
Je moet volgens mij wel een sterke relatie hebben samen om dit te overleven.

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 09:59 schreef Ed1234 het volgende:

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Nou ja, zelfs dat weten we niet. Het enige dat Harry er over zegt is dit:

Oprah: Well, what is particularly striking is what Meghan shared with us earlier, is that no one wants to admit that there’s anything about race or that race has played a role in the trolling and the vitriol, and yet Meghan shared with us that there was a conversation with you about Archie’s skin tone.

Harry: Mm-hmm.

Oprah: What was that conversation?

Harry: That conversation I’m never going to share, but at the time . . . at the time, it was awkward. I was a bit shocked.

Oprah: Can you . . . can you tell us what the question was?

Harry: No. I don’t . . . I’m not comfortable with sharing that.

Oprah: OK.

Harry: But that was . . . that was right at the beginning, right?

Oprah: Like, what will the baby look like?

Harry: Yeah, what will the kids look like?

Oprah: What will the kids look like?

Harry: But that was right at the beginning, when she wasn’t going to get security, when members of my family were suggesting that she carries on acting, because there was not enough money to pay for her, and all this sort of stuff. Like, there was some real obvious signs before we even got married that this was going to be really hard.

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Dus als ik het goed begrijp heeft dit gesprek plaats gevonden nog voor het huwelijk en ver voor de zwangerschap.

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 10:01 schreef Leandra het volgende:

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Dat het Elizabeth en Philip niet waren weten we wel, dat heeft Oprah met toestemming van Harry openbaar gemaakt.

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The contemptible Oprah /Sussex circus

It told us nothing about the Royal Family and much more about Meghan, Harry and America

It will take time before the smoke of battle clears from the Oprah Winfrey interview with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and we can more properly assess its impact. It is unlikely, however, to dent support for the monarchy in Britain.

Indeed, the whole Oprah/Sussex circus tells us nothing about the Royal Family that withstands proper scrutiny. It tells us a great deal more about Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, Prince Harry and America itself. And none of it is good.

From the reported reaction, it seems America is overwhelmingly on the side of Meghan and unquestioningly believes the preposterous story she has told of her own alleged persecution and suffering at the hands of the royals (other than the Queen herself, who by Meghan’s own account treated her with nothing but kindness and has now had her whole family smeared and trashed for her pains).

In America, there seems precious little desire or ability to subject the Sussexes’ denunciation to anything like the scepticism it requires. For the whole thing was not only an attempt to besmirch the Royal Family by spraying a poisonous miasma of unspecific smears and unsubstantiated assertions. It was also riddled with astonishing ignorance and contradictions.

Take, for example, the explosive accusation of the Royal Family’s alleged racism. The Duchess told Oprah Winfrey that, while she was pregnant with Archie, there had been “concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born”. She variously ascribed this alleged topic of conversation to one individual and to more than one who had been talking to Prince Harry.

When the prince was asked about this alleged remark later in the interview, he told Winfrey the conversation in question had been “awkward” and left him “a bit shocked”. But he appeared to suggest he had heard this alleged slur from a royal figure before he and Meghan were married. He said:

That was right at the beginning, when she wasn't going to get security, when members of my family were suggesting that she carries on acting, because there was not enough money to pay for her, and all this sort of stuff. Like, there was some real obvious signs before we even got married that this was going to be really hard.

So was the comment made about the unborn Archie, or was it part of a different and maybe broader conversation? Without knowing the context of the remark, we cannot judge it.

The Duchess seems to have based this smear on conjecture. She said of the remark:

That was relayed to me from Harry. That was a conversation that family had with him and I think that it was really hard to see that as compartmentalised from everything else.

Winfrey asked her whether the royals were “worried that if he was too brown that would be a problem?” To which Meghan replied:

If that’s the assumption you are making I think that feels like a pretty safe one.

So she was repeating a second-hand conversation to which she was imputing a racist motive without a shred of evidence to back that up. What’s more, since both she and Prince Harry refused to say who had made this remark they were in effect smearing the whole family.

Subsequently, Winfrey told CBS that off-camera Prince Harry had stressed that “neither his grandmother or grandfather were part of that conversation”. But he didn’t choose to say it himself on camera, and so still left other members of his family smeared by implication and unable to defend themselves.

Meghan’s determination to assert racial prejudice against Archie at Buckingham Palace merely exposed her own risible ignorance. She suggested that these racist attitudes had deprived her son of the same kind of title or security protection as other royal grandchildren, by which she presumably meant the children of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. She expressed anger at

the idea of our son not being safe, and also the idea of the first member of colour in this family not being titled in the same way that other grandchildren would be.

But under royal convention, only the children of a future monarch have the right to the title prince or princess — which means the Cambridge children have those titles, but Archie Sussex is currently too far down the pecking order. And the idea that a royal child would be denied adequate security because of the colour of his skin is nothing less than paranoid or malicious nonsense.

In a previously unbroadcast section of the interview revealed yesterday, Prince Harry was asked if he had left the UK because of racism. He replied:

It was a large part of it.

What rubbish. Prince Charles stepped in with delight to walk Meghan down the aisle in the absence of her own father. The Queen was gracious and friendly to both Meghan and her mother. Britain was delighted to have a mixed-race princess. The public’s attitude soured as a direct result of the Sussexes’ arrogant and boorish behaviour, such as not allowing the public to know the names of Archie’s godparents.

People perceived correctly that Meghan was simply not willing to adapt to the rules of behaviour as a member of the Royal Family. Public unease and criticism turned into outrage when it became clear that the Sussexes wanted to milk their titles and royal status while refusing to undertake the duties of that role.

As for Meghan’s claim that life as working royal had taken her to the brink of suicide, is this really plausible? Suicidal feelings are the product of profound psychological disorder. She said she had recognised she needed professional help and wanted to check into a hospital. She said she went to “the institution” but claimed:

I was told I couldn’t, it wouldn’t be good for the institution. I went to one of the most senior people to get help.

Why didn’t she just visit a doctor? Why didn’t her husband haul her off to one when she told him she no longer wanted to live? And in the light of the trauma over Princess Diana and the damage done to the Royal Family as a result of her own psychological problems — not to mention her throwing herself down the stairs — is it really likely that if anyone at the palace had thought Meghan was mentally ill they would have sat on their hands? Isn’t it more likely that they chose instead not to act on what appeared to them be yet more tendentious complaints about the way she said she was being treated?

The most egregious contradiction, however, is between the Sussexes’ much-professed insistence on privacy and the appalling nature of those who dare invade it, and how they have not only made themselves into the biggest story in the world but have trashed the privacy of their family’s conversations and dealings with them.

Even worse than the Duchess’s attack on her husband’s family was Prince Harry’s attack on his own father, accusing him of cutting off his money and refusing to answer his calls, and on his brother and sister-in-law. More unscreened footage which has now been made public shows him piling yet more insults on his family.

This altogether despicable performance has now buried forever the notion these two assiduously promote that they are kind, decent and compassionate people. They have now revealed themselves to be the opposite. This interview with Oprah was a mutual, and mutually grubby, exploitathon.

The interview was a disaster: not for the British monarchy, but for the reputation of Prince Harry and his wife in the only place where this matters — in Britain, which these two have now grossly insulted along with the Royal Family and the monarchy. The Duchess has now revealed herself as self-obsessed, spiteful and venal. Prince Harry has done something even more unforgivable to his father, his grandparents and his brother and sister-in-law.

And in America, where the pair have apparently solid support, we can see exposed the yawning culture gap with Britain.

For it appears that this America (presumably there are some exceptions, which may grow in time) can’t even recognise the blindingly obvious contradictions in this encounter. This America can’t acknowledge the grotesque disloyalty and spite that’s been unleashed against close relatives. This America can’t spot the rank hypocrisy and arrogance of a couple who lecture the world on its failings but cannot themselves behave with elementary decency.

This America can’t separate manufactured images from reality. Just as it was a sucker for Princess Diana’s manipulation of her media image, it is now being played by the woman who is trading on that tragic history to exploit Diana’s son. Incapable of separating reality from Hollywood, this America is now mesmerised by the performance of a Hollywood actress; from which it has formed a hanging jury to condemn a family across the Atlantic whose side of these events it doesn’t even think it necessary to hear.

This is because it already has a view about the British monarchy drawn almost entirely from ignorance and caricature. It has watched The Crown, and has assumed that the fabrications and character assassinations in that soap-opera are also true and so it now understands the British monarchy.

In the same way, it has a view of Britain that is itself drawn from the comically outdated caricature of a country still run by the English upper class. This America’s understanding of Britain, of the iron sense of duty embodied by Britain’s monarchy and the role it plays in unifying the country and underpinning its shared sense of decency, gentleness and identity, is next to zero.

As the British born journalist and American diva Tina Brown has said: “Let’s bow down to the real queen here – Oprah”.

Yup — that’s about the level of all this.

https://melaniephillips.s(...)-oprah-sussex-circus

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 08:19 schreef Sunshine1982 het volgende:
Je moet volgens mij wel een sterke relatie hebben samen om dit te overleven.

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 10:08 schreef Aurelius het volgende:

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 10:33 schreef roninho het volgende:

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Stel dat het allemaal de volledige waarheid is wat het stel verteld.... Wat voor verschrikkelijk drama is er dan?
Blijkbaar is er iemand racistisch in de schoonfamilie. Lijkt me een goede reden om geen contact meer te hebben. Wat houdt je tegen om dat niet gewoon te doen?

Als je achterin de 30 bent en alle financiele mogelijkheden hebt om gewoon totaal je eigen gang te gaan.... En toch ga je erin mee tot zover dat je aan zelfmoord denkt, misschien moet je dan ook in de spiegel kijken en niet alleen anderen de schuld geven.

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 10:49 schreef ChipsZak. het volgende:

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Uhm.. heb je misschien al het andere gemist? Zoals, ik noem maar wat, de gehele publieke opinie in het VK vanaf het begin? Alle racisme en haat die zij kregen en alsof Harry simpelweg een slachtoffer is van de vrouw van wie hij houdt? En dat daar vanuit het paleis weinig aan is gedaan (itt bij bijv Prince Andrew)?

En je vindt het gek dat H&M niet meteen de boel gedag hebben gezegd? Alsof het (met name voor Harry) net zo simpel is en ligt als de keuze voor het avondeten, .

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Op dinsdag 9 maart 2021 11:44 schreef Tegan het volgende:
Ik weet niet wat beveiliging kost maar volgens mij hebben ze genoeg miljoenen om een bescheiden leven te leiden de komende 60 jaar.

Maar blijkbaar leven ze toch graag in luxe waardoor Netflix en Spotify deals, media opzoeken en dus privacy inleveren noodzakelijk is.

Blijkbaar voelen zij zich prettig bij deze halve privacy en dat is hun goed recht. Zij voelden zich niet prettig in de kosten vs. baten van het Koningshuis.