BLM demonstraties in de VS #36

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:17 schreef Aurelius het volgende:

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jasonrantz twitterde op maandag 06-07-2020 om 00:11:40 Yesterday @:twmentality1 blamed violence against protesters on a "racist monster" that Trump apparently incited. When it turned out the suspect is black, the tweet below was deleted. https://t.co/b2cQIUztU9 reageer retweet

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MayorJenny twitterde op zaterdag 04-07-2020 om 18:31:21 Early this morning two women were hit by a car and very seriously injured while peacefully protesting. Many others were almost hit and witnessed this horrific event. Our city stands beside their friends, families and loved ones in praying for these women and all who were there. reageer retweet

Hoe het narratief over die automobilist die 2 actievoerders plat reed in Seattle veranderde van "aanslag door extreem-rechtse Trump-supporter" in "onfortuinlijk ongeluk" nadat bekend werd dat de bestuurder zwart was.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:18 schreef Isdatzo het volgende:
Iemand roept iets doms op twitter = """"het narratief""""?

Oké man.

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MrAndyNgo twitterde op maandag 06-07-2020 om 09:40:42 In the presence of a strong police and military force not hampered by local weak leadership, antifa have not dared to attack the Portland federal courthouse tonight. This is the most restrained I’ve seen them behave after weeks of violence & extremism. reageer retweet

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MrAndyNgo twitterde op maandag 06-07-2020 om 11:22:54 Out of things to burn by the Portland federal courthouse, antifa in downtown have set a homeless person's sofa on fire. It is engulfed in flames by the former elk statue. https://t.co/Ume1SyPCug reageer retweet

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:22 schreef Aurelius het volgende:

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Vindt het wel knap hoe mensen als jij er telkens in slagen om de overduidelijke hypocrisie keer op keer voor jezelf goed te praten. Echt respect voor die mental gymnastics.

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Soon after allegedly hurling a flaming Molotov cocktail at an NYPD van full of cops at a George Floyd protest, a white upstate woman claimed a trio of “black” strangers made her do it, according to new court papers.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:30 schreef Isdatzo het volgende:

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Als het zo overduidelijk voor je is, dan ben jij vast de aangewezen persoon om even uit te leggen welke hypocrisie ik voor mezelf weet goed te praten.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:27 schreef Aurelius het volgende:
Antifa feestje in Portland lijkt afgelopen te zijn. Federale politie en militairen zijn het zat dat federale gebouwen elke nacht worden aangevallen en de lokale politie niks doet.

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MrAndyNgo twitterde op maandag 06-07-2020 om 09:40:42 In the presence of a strong police and military force not hampered by local weak leadership, antifa have not dared to attack the Portland federal courthouse tonight. This is the most restrained I’ve seen them behave after weeks of violence & extremism. reageer retweet

Maar gelukkig zijn er nog standbeelden en spullen van daklozen om te verbranden.

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MrAndyNgo twitterde op maandag 06-07-2020 om 11:22:54 Out of things to burn by the Portland federal courthouse, antifa in downtown have set a homeless person's sofa on fire. It is engulfed in flames by the former elk statue. https://t.co/Ume1SyPCug reageer retweet

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On May 30 — five days after George Floyd was killed and four after protests erupted across Minneapolis — President Trump first said antifa forces were behind the violence that swept across the country. He has repeated this claim nearly 20 times since. Online activists and prominent right-wing Twitter personalities promoted the theory. And the nation’s top law enforcement officials — including FBI Director Christopher A. Wray and Attorney General William P. Barr — appeared to confirm it, echoing Trump’s claim.

The Fact Checker video team spoke to witnesses and reviewed arrest records, federal charges, intelligence reports, online conversations and dozens of videos and photos of violent incidents from the early days of protests in Minneapolis to determine whether a coordinated antifa campaign was responsible for the violence.

Let’s review.

The Facts
Antifa is a moniker, not a single group with a clear organizational structure or leader. It is a decentralized network of activists who don’t coordinate. Their common ground is opposing anything that they think is racist or fascist. In recent years, antifa activists appeared whenever there was a large gathering of white nationalists.

And white nationalists, as counterintuitive as it might seem, have been known to attend Black Lives Matter rallies. That is what could then draw attention from antifa forces, according to Seth G. Jones, director of the transnational threats project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Oren Segal, vice president of the Center on Extremism at ADL, emphasized, “It’s a challenge [to identify antifa] because this is not an organized group. You’re essentially looking to try to identify what does somebody believe in.” Antifa has been identified by patches, flags, graffiti and black clothing, Segal explained. And at times, they can be identifiable by moving in “black bloc” formation. But, Segal hedged, looking to identify antifa by these visual cues is “not foolproof.”

Jones reviewed protests in more than 140 cities and spoke with U.S. officials within the joint terrorism task force. Most of the violence, Jones said, was committed by “local hooligans, sometimes gangs, sometimes just individuals that are trying to take advantage of an opportunity.”

“There were reports of some antifa at different protests,” he concluded. “But they stood back, did not engage, certainly not in a violent way.”

Officials have arrested more than 14,000 people across 49 cities nationwide since May 27, according to a Washington Post tally of data provided by police departments and included in media reports. Thousands were arrested for low-level offenses, including curfew violations and failure to disperse.

Roughly 80 federal charges, including murder and throwing molotov cocktails at police vehicles, reveal no evidence of an antifa plot. Four people who identify with the far-right extremist “boogaloo” movement are among those facing the most serious federal charges. Asked whether anyone who identifies as antifa had been charged, Department of Justice spokesman Matt Lloyd said via email, “We do not collect statistics based on potential inspiration but on unlawful acts according to statute.”

An intelligence bulletin issued by the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the National Counterterrorism Center that was obtained by ABC News warned that “anarchist extremists continue to pose the most significant threat of targeted assaults against police.” The bulletin, which was distributed to police departments nationwide, mentions antifa only in a footnote differentiating those who self-identify with the group from anarchists.

Rather, the bulletin said that “the greatest threat of lethal violence continues to emanate from lone offenders with racially or ethnically motivated violent extremist ideologies and [domestic violent extremists] with personalized ideologies,” specifically pointing to boogaloo-related groups as likely to be “instigating violence” at the protests.

The DHS said in a June 1 internal intelligence report seen by Reuters that “most of the violence appears to have been driven by opportunists.” A separate DHS document dated June 17 reviewed by Washington Post columnist Greg Sargent stated “anarchist and anti-government extremists pose the most significant threat of targeted low-level, protest-related assaults against law enforcement.” The document did not mention antifa by name and the document’s definition of “anarchist extremist” appears to exclude the group.

The Nation revealed a separate FBI document that said the bureau found “no intel indicating antifa involvement” in the May 31 protests in Washington. (A woman was arrested after the Portland violence and the probable cause document quoted roommates as saying she said she was part of antifa. But the charges were dismissed and the case is closed.)

Even though tangible evidence of antifa’s involvement is scant, as protests multiplied, rumors regarding the movement’s alleged role spread across social media. “What we have seen at ADL is that there has been misinformation that has suggested that antifa has been in places where there has not been any proof that they’ve been,” Segal said. This effort, he said, was “more coordinated it seems than antifa has been at actually being on the ground.”

A Twitter account that claimed to be run by antifa activists and called for violence at the protests was later linked to the white nationalist group Identity Evropa. A viral May 27 tweet, from a popular QAnon account, alleged that the protests were an effort by the “deep state” to “start a race war before the election,” arguing “antifa & BLM are domestic terrorist organizations that need to be STOPPED.” Conservative media outlets and prominent Twitter influencers, including Donald Trump Jr., amplified the theory that antifa was connected to the violence.

By May 29, there were almost 300,000 mentions of antifa on Twitter, according to an analysis by Zignal Labs, a media intelligence company. The next day, mentions reached nearly 1.5 million. An analysis of the Twitter accounts followed by the president, via Emerson T. Brooking of the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab, found that about 10 percent of his feed on May 30 suggested in some fashion or other that antifa is a terrorist organization. That day, Trump first blamed antifa for violence at the protests.

“There was a concerted effort by alt-right activists not just to conflate the protest with antifa, but to get antifa declared a terrorist organization by the president of the United States,” Brooking said. “We see that there was a coordinated, essentially, series of petitions, an online lobbying effort.”

By May 31, mentions on Twitter reached almost 3.9 million, search interest in “antifa” spiked and Trump tweeted that he would declare it a terrorist organization — although he has no authority to do so under the law.

“Search interest in antifa was so great, in fact, that it outweighed search interest in Black Lives Matter during these protests,” Brooking said.

The more antifa was discussed online, the more misinformation spread. Speculation that antifa activists planned to bus into small towns in Idaho and Wisconsin prompted the appearance of counterprotesters and armed militias. Trump tweeted the false conspiracy theory that Martin Gugino, a 75-year-old protester in Buffalo who was shoved by police and suffered serious injuries, was connected to antifa.

When the White House was asked for evidence of any antifa involvement, a senior administration official pointed the Fact Checker to statements by officials such as Barr and national security adviser Robert O’Brien that the administration had evidence. So far, however, the administration has not disclosed any such evidence.

The Pinocchio Test
It is virtually impossible to account for the beliefs and motives of every person at every protest. And, consequently, virtually impossible to say that no one with antifa beliefs was involved in any violence.

But beliefs and orchestrating organized violence are not the same. There has not yet been a single confirmed case in which someone who self-identifies as antifa led violent acts at any of the protests across the country. The president and his administration have placed an outsize burden of blame on antifa, without waiting for arrest data and completed investigations.

This is not the first time Trump has pointed to antifa as a shadowy nemesis. But the misinformation created by his continued insistence of antifa’s involvement has led to more chaos and violence in an already turbulent moment. As always, the burden of proof rests with the speaker — and the administration has provided no evidence, only assertions that it has evidence.

Trump earns Four Pinocchios.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:37 schreef Isdatzo het volgende:

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Antifa dit, antifa dat. Over narratieven gesproken.
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https://www.washingtonpos(...)ests-its-not-antifa/

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Cauz4U twitterde op zondag 05-07-2020 om 18:16:56 Spectacular own goal #2 today. @washingtonpost trashes George Washington and wants college to be renamed. reageer retweet

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:39 schreef Aurelius het volgende:

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De Washington Post als serieuze bron opvoeren.

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Cauz4U twitterde op zondag 05-07-2020 om 18:16:56 Spectacular own goal #2 today. @:washingtonpost trashes George Washington and wants college to be renamed. reageer retweet

Sorry ik doe niet mee aan je gaslighting. Ik geloof wel wat mijn eigen ogen zien. Scheelt ook een boel cognitieve dissonantie.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:39 schreef Aurelius het volgende:

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De Washington Post als serieuze bron opvoeren.

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Cauz4U twitterde op zondag 05-07-2020 om 18:16:56 Spectacular own goal #2 today. @:washingtonpost trashes George Washington and wants college to be renamed. reageer retweet

Sorry ik doe niet mee aan je gaslighting. Ik geloof wel wat mijn eigen ogen zien. Scheelt ook een boel cognitieve dissonantie.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:53 schreef Isdatzo het volgende:
Ah ja, de bron in twijfel trekken zonder op de inhoud te reageren. Makkelijk, niet?

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In welke wereld kan je de WaPo geen serieuze bron noemen? Gelukkig zijn die random useful idiots op twitter waar jij elke keer mee komt aankakken een stuk beter . Je diskwalificeert jezelf volledig zo.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:54 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Je kent het verschil tussen opinie- en nieuwsartikelen?

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:58 schreef Aurelius het volgende:

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Een pro-antifa artikel posten en dan zeiken dat ik niet inhoudelijk reageer.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:58 schreef Aurelius het volgende:

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Een pro-antifa artikel posten en dan zeiken dat ik niet inhoudelijk reageer.

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In tegenstelling tot de WaPo posten die "useful idiots" op twitter geen meningen, maar laten ze gewoon zien wat er werkelijk ter plaatse gebeurt, waarna je je eigen mening kunt vormen. Maar goed, ik snap dat het lastig is als je geconfronteerd wordt met zaken die niet in je wereldbeeld passen.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 12:00 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Pro-Antifa? De WaPo baseert zich gewoon op de bevindingen van officiële instanties, zoals de FBI.

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TheFirstonTV twitterde op vrijdag 03-07-2020 om 21:44:16 The father of the teenager killed in the #CHAZ says @MayorJenny, who supported the far-left movement, never reached out to him.

President @realDonaldTrump called him today.

That says a lot.

https://t.co/yOUp4Wczza reageer retweet

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 11:59 schreef Aurelius het volgende:

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Ik wel. Bij kranten als de NYT (zelfde niveau als de WaPo) niet. Daar kun je zelfs ontslagen worden als er opinies worden geplaatst waar de nieuwsredactie niet achter staat.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 12:01 schreef Aurelius het volgende:

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Zeg je nu net niet dat het een opinie is, en geen nieuwsartikel?

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 12:06 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Zucht.

Dat stuk over de betrokkenheid van Antifa is een nieuwsartikel. Het stuk in de tweet die jij postte is opinie (hint: dat staat in koeienletters voor de kop).

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 12:14 schreef Aurelius het volgende:

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Whatever.

Antifa = georganiseerd tuig. En dat kan ik al jaren met eigen ogen zien. Daar heb ik geen woordendiarree van de WaPo voor nodig.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 12:14 schreef Aurelius het volgende:

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Whatever.

Antifa = georganiseerd tuig. En dat kan ik al jaren met eigen ogen zien. Daar heb ik geen woordendiarree van de WaPo voor nodig.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 12:06 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Zucht.

Dat stuk over de betrokkenheid van Antifa is een nieuwsartikel. Het stuk in de tweet die jij postte is opinie (hint: dat staat in koeienletters voor de kop).

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 12:16 schreef Isdatzo het volgende:
Je snapt het echt niet hè? Of antifa nou wel of geen tuig is, en in welke mate wel of niet georganiseerd is, is totaal niet het punt.

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Op maandag 6 juli 2020 12:16 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Het artikel van WaPo gaat dan ook over de geringe betrokkenheid van Antifa bij de protesten, niet over de vraag of Antifa wel of geen tuig is.