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0s.gif Op zondag 1 september 2019 18:30 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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New Jersey kan ik nog heel klein beetje inkomen..

Maar niks over een van de 20 in New York zelf dus..

Dan kan je net zo goed foto plaatsten van lokaal ziekenhuis hier in de buurt in de week van 9/11 goh der was niemand..

Of te wel... Helemaal niks.
New Jersey ligt ook nog even 2 uur rijden weg h. Daarnaast worden er zelfs ziekenhuizen genoemd in California en Georgia, ja logisch dat die leeg blijven - die in Amsterdam ook. :')
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Vandaag, ik weet niet hoe laat, release van de study... maar;

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth will host a public presentation on the findings of a four-year study into the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) at 5 p.m. Thursday, Sept. 5, in the Heyns Room of the Faculty Club at UC Berkeley.

University of Alaska Fairbanks researcher Leroy Hulsey was the study’s principal investigator. He will present the findings outlined in his team’s draft report for public comment, which will be released two days earlier. The release of the draft report will be followed by a six-week public comment period, with a final report scheduled for release later this fall.

Ik hoop dat het zullen streamen op https://www.youtube.com/user/ae911truth
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0s.gif Op zondag 1 september 2019 18:30 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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Maar niks over een van de 20 in New York zelf dus..

Heb ik geen tijd voor, dus kan je dat beter zelf uitzoeken. Maak 'n lijstje van de namen van die 20 ziekenhuizen je heb 't over.
Google even 'reports/interviews from hospitals/medical staff on September 11th,2001' of zo.
Misschien kan je iets interessants vinden over wat precies (in de korte tijd naar de events) met die 6000+ gewonden is gebeuren.

Misschien kan je 'n leuke collectieve soort project van maken.
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Heb ik geen tijd voor, dus kan je dat beter zelf uitzoeken. Maak 'n lijstje van de namen van die 20 ziekenhuizen je heb 't over.
Google even 'reports/interviews from hospitals/medical staff on September 11th,2001' of zo.
Misschien kan je iets interessants vinden over wat precies (in de korte tijd naar de events) met die 6000+ gewonden is gebeuren.

Misschien kan je 'n leuke collectieve soort project van maken.
Ok, maar je had wel tijd om getuigenverklaringen op te zoeken van verpleegsters in ziekenhuizen in California en Georgia enzo? Komt een beetje raar over. Geheel in jouw straatje, maar wel een beetje apart, want dat slaat natuurlijk nergens op.
  woensdag 4 september 2019 @ 08:58:47 #230
279682 theguyver
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 3 september 2019 20:34 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Heb ik geen tijd voor, dus kan je dat beter zelf uitzoeken. Maak 'n lijstje van de namen van die 20 ziekenhuizen je heb 't over.
Google even 'reports/interviews from hospitals/medical staff on September 11th,2001' of zo.
Misschien kan je iets interessants vinden over wat precies (in de korte tijd naar de events) met die 6000+ gewonden is gebeuren.

Misschien kan je 'n leuke collectieve soort project van maken.
Nee ik stel gewoon een simpele vraag waarmee jij aan komt zetten.
Ik vraag gewoon heel simpel welk ziekenhuis het is.

Waarom moet je dat uitzoeken? Jij geeft het aan als bewijs dat het niet klopt, maar je weet zelf niet eens om welk ziekenhuis het gaat.

Zo iets simpels ondermijnt compleet jou eigen claim.
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Helaas is gisteren alleen het draft report beschikbaar gemaakt:

http://ine.uaf.edu/media/(...)eport_09-03-2019.pdf


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Project Summary

This is a study of the collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC7) at 5:20 P.M. on September 11, 2001.

The objective of the study was threefold: (1) Examine the structural response of WTC 7 to fire loads that may have occurred on September 11, 2001; (2) Rule out scenarios that could not have caused the observed collapse; and (3) Identify types of failures and their locations that may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

The UAF research team utilized three approaches for examining the structural response of WTC 7 to the conditions that may have occurred on September 11, 2001. First, we simulated the local structural response to fire loading that may have occurred below Floor 13, where most of the fires in WTC 7 are reported to have occurred. Second, we supplemented our own simulation by examining the collapse initiation hypothesis developed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Third, we simulated a number of scenarios within the overall structural system in order to determine what types of local failures and their locations may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.


The research team is currently organizing and uploading all of its data into a format that can be readily downloaded and used. We expect to post the data sometime between September 16 and September 30, 2019.

There will be a two-month public comment period from September 3 to November 1, 2019, with the final report will be released later this year. During this period, we welcome any and all members of the public to submit constructive comments intended to further the analyses and presentation of findings contained in the report.

http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
Hoofd van het onderzoek: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/J_Hulsey

[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door LelijKnap op 04-09-2019 14:49:12 ]
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I thought I'd try to make clear what this report has said after reading the updated site. Basically they did multiple full scale computer simulations with every column for different situations.

If the NIST report is correct that a few columns failed due to local fires, the collapse should've looked like this;
If somehow all the core (middle) columns failed in some freak coincidence, the collapse should've looked like this;
And finally they did a simulation if all columns everywhere collapsed at the same time, it would've looked like this;
Feel free to compare with actual footage;

En deze kan je allemaal vergelijken met het model van NIST;

Samenvatting van een R-user;

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1.Columns 79, 80, and 81 did not fail at the lower floors of the building. Instead, they needed to have failed at the upper floors of the building all the way to the penthouse. Yet there were no documented fires above Floor 30. Therefore, fire did not cause the collapse of Columns 79, 80, and 81 nor the collapse of the east penthouse. 2.The hypothetical failure of Columns 79, 80, and 81 -- the three easternmost core columns -- would not trigger a horizontal progression of core column failures. Therefore, the hypotheses of NIST, Arup/Nordenson, and Weidlinger that the buckling of Column 79 would trigger a progressive collapse of the entire building are invalid, and the collapse of Columns 79, 80, and 81 high in the building was a separate and distinct event. 3.Even if we assume the failure of Columns 79, 80, and 81 could lead to the failure of the next row of core columns, the hypothetical failure of Columns 76 to 81 would overload the exterior columns around the southeast corner of the building, rather than overloading the next row of core columns to the west, which would result in the building tipping to the southeast and not in a straight-down collapse. 4.The hypothetical simultaneous failure of all core columns would cause the building to tip to the southwest and would not cause a straight-down collapse. 5.The simultaneous failure of all core columns over 8 stories followed 1.3 seconds later by the simultaneous failure of all exterior columns over 8 stories produces almost exactly the behavior observed in videos of the collapse. The collapse could have started at various floors starting at Floor 16 and below and produced the same behavior.It is our conclusion that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of all columns in the building and not a progressive collapse involving the sequential failure of columns throughout the building. Despite simulating a number of hypothetical scenarios, we were unable to identify any progressive sequence of failures that could have taken place on September 11, 2001, and caused 112a total collapse of the building, let alone the observed straight-down collapse with approximately 2.5 seconds of free fall and minimal differential movement of the exterior.


[ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door LelijKnap op 04-09-2019 15:35:05 ]
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Let's not forget that in August 2016, Peter Michael Ketcham, a former employee of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), began looking into the reports his agency had released years earlier on the collapse of the World Trade Center. What he found shook him to the core:

Stand for the Truth: A Government Researcher Speaks Out | 9/11 Evidence and NIST:


NIST 'whistleblower' speaks out on 9/11:

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Stappenplan:

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Science, Truth, and Justice 18 Years Later: September 2019 Schedule of Events

In the first week of September, AE911Truth will participate in releasing the draft report of the groundbreaking World Trade Center Building 7 Study by researchers at the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF).

The release of this report will include a livestreamed presentation by the study’s principal investigator, Dr. Leroy Hulsey, at UAF’s Schaible Auditorium on September 3, 2019, followed by a second presentation from Dr. Hulsey at the UC Berkeley Faculty Club on September 5, 2019. The draft report will be published that same week at http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7 — as well as at AE911Truth.org — and will be open for public comment for a two-month period ending November 1, 2019.

Then it’s onward to our events in New York and Washington, D.C. On September 7, 2019, AE911Truth founder Richard Gage will speak at an event hosted by the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry at the All Souls Church in New York City. Gage will be joined by 9/11 family member Bob McIlvaine, Franklin Square Fire Commissioner Christopher Gioia, NSA whistleblower William Binney, media critic Mark Crispin Miller, members of the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, and other invited speakers.

Four days later, on September 11, 2019, AE911Truth will hold a livestreamed news conference at the National Press Club, featuring Franklin Square Fire Commissioners Christopher Gioia and Joseph Torregrossa as well as Bob and Helen McIlvaine (parents of 9/11 victim Bobby McIlvaine), Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry President David Meiswinkle, and Mr. Gage.

After the news conference, we will head to Capitol Hill for meetings with several U.S. representatives and their staffs. We will also deliver to every member of Congress a packet containing a letter from the Franklin Square fire commissioners, our educational materials, and a copy of the Bobby McIlvaine World Trade Center Investigation Act.

Please join us online or in person for this series of significant events and political action activities. Help is especially needed at the U.S. Capitol delivering our materials to all 535 members of Congress in one afternoon!

We look forward to seeing you and making this 9/11 anniversary a major turning point in the pursuit of truth and justice.

Schedule of Events

A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7 (Fairbanks) A Presentation by Civil Engineering Professor J. Leroy Hulsey, Ph.D., P.E.

September 3, 2019 6:00 PM Alaska Time / 10:00 PM Eastern Schaible Auditorium University of Alaska Fairbanks

Livestream: https://media.uaf.edu/

https://www.ae911truth.org/images/PDFs/UAF-Event-Poster.pdf
Eerstvolgende:

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A Presentation by Civil Engineering Professor J. Leroy Hulsey, Ph.D., P.E.

September 5, 2019 5:00 PM Pacific The Faculty Club at UC Berkeley *Seating priority given to UC Berkeley students and faculty as well as AE911Truth petition signers.

https://www.ae911truth.org/images/PDFs/Berkeley-UAF-poster.pdf

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Voor de genteresseerde, los van de studie:

9/11 Organized Archive - Rare, High Quality Pictures Sorted by Subject! (Torrent)
https://concen.org/content/911-organized-image-archive

Nog geen klachten over het bestand gelezen: https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)gh_quality_pictures/
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  woensdag 4 september 2019 @ 15:19:14 #237
293036 DeMolay
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Kijk Finite elements method FTW ^O^

dank voor de info
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Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
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Finite elements method
Twijfel om een nws-topic te maken. Heb weinig zin om tegen een muur van collectieve dissonantie te vechten.
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  woensdag 4 september 2019 @ 15:29:04 #239
293036 DeMolay
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Ja , bij hoog water zitten vele geo-engineers in nederland met dit programma te stoeien om dijk scenario's na te rekenen...en ja ook gebruikt bij de toren van Pisa

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Δημοσθένης
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0s.gif Op woensdag 4 september 2019 15:29 schreef DeMolay het volgende:
Ja , bij hoog water zitten vele geo-enginears in nederland met dit programma te stoeien om dijk scenario's na te rekenen...en ja ook gebruikt bij de toren van Pisa
Ja, NIST gebruikte het zelf ook. Zal ik nog even toevoegen aan die post met de andere modellen.

Ik dacht dat je met 'kijk' bedoelde dat ik een filmpje moest opzoeken met 'Finite elements method FTW' :+ dus die heb ik weer verwijderd uit de reactie
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0s.gif Op woensdag 4 september 2019 08:58 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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Nee ik stel gewoon een simpele vraag waarmee jij aan komt zetten.
Ik vraag gewoon heel simpel welk ziekenhuis het is.

Waarom moet je dat uitzoeken? Jij geeft het aan als bewijs dat het niet klopt, maar je weet zelf niet eens om welk ziekenhuis het gaat.

Zo iets simpels ondermijnt compleet jou eigen claim.
Jij hebt over de 20 NY ziekenhuizen begonnen.
Post gewoon 'n lijstje.
Jij denkt dat er 6000+ gewonden waren. In de minuten,dagen,weken naar the 9/11 event geen doden in de 20 ziekenhuizen gevallen zijn? Fijn hoor, then you believe in miracles.

The emergency services would have been massively overworked. Go on - prove me wrong. Make a collective effort. It should be easy. Go and waste your own time instead of somebody elses.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
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0s.gif Op woensdag 4 september 2019 13:58 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
Helaas is gisteren alleen het draft report beschikbaar gemaakt:

http://ine.uaf.edu/media/(...)eport_09-03-2019.pdf
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Hoofd van het onderzoek: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/J_Hulsey
Helaas is 't totaal tijdverspillende BS - zelfde verhaal als die van 9/11 half truth van 10 jaar of zo terug. Sorry.
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Helaas is 't totaal tijdverspillende BS - zelfde verhaal als die van 9/11 half truth van 10 jaar of zo terug. Sorry.
Wat is bs? Dat wtc7 niet door lokale brandjes is ingestort?
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0s.gif Op woensdag 4 september 2019 22:41 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Jij hebt over de 20 NY ziekenhuizen begonnen.
Post gewoon 'n lijstje.
Jij denkt dat er 6000+ gewonden waren. In de minuten,dagen,weken naar the 9/11 event geen doden in de 20 ziekenhuizen gevallen zijn? Fijn hoor, then you believe in miracles.

The emergency services would have been massively overworked. Go on - prove me wrong. Make a collective effort. It should be easy. Go and waste your own time instead of somebody elses.
Euh, jij begon met een link waarin allemaal verplegers aan 't woord waren over het feit dat er geen patinten binnen kwamen. Die bleken toen allemaal ver buiten New York werkzaam te zijn, en nu ga je de bewijslast omdraaien? Zo werkt het niet echt. :P
  woensdag 4 september 2019 @ 23:56:23 #245
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0s.gif Op woensdag 4 september 2019 22:41 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Jij hebt over de 20 NY ziekenhuizen begonnen.
Post gewoon 'n lijstje.
Jij denkt dat er 6000+ gewonden waren. In de minuten,dagen,weken naar the 9/11 event geen doden in de 20 ziekenhuizen gevallen zijn? Fijn hoor, then you believe in miracles.

The emergency services would have been massively overworked. Go on - prove me wrong. Make a collective effort. It should be easy. Go and waste your own time instead of somebody elses.
Face it, je bent hier gewoon hard door de mand gevallen.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Het zou fijn zijn als die non-discussie over Tingo's z'n onzin nu gewoon klaar is ja. Hetgeen besproken dient te worden is de verkrachting van het NIST-fabeltje :Y
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  donderdag 5 september 2019 @ 10:06:49 #247
279682 theguyver
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0s.gif Op woensdag 4 september 2019 22:41 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Jij hebt over de 20 NY ziekenhuizen begonnen.
Post gewoon 'n lijstje.
Jij denkt dat er 6000+ gewonden waren. In de minuten,dagen,weken naar the 9/11 event geen doden in de 20 ziekenhuizen gevallen zijn? Fijn hoor, then you believe in miracles.

The emergency services would have been massively overworked. Go on - prove me wrong. Make a collective effort. It should be easy. Go and waste your own time instead of somebody elses.
hoezo een lijstje.
https://www.yelp.nl/search?cflt=hospitals&find_loc=New+York%2C+NY
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  donderdag 5 september 2019 @ 10:08:59 #248
279682 theguyver
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0s.gif Op woensdag 4 september 2019 22:46 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Helaas is 't totaal tijdverspillende BS - zelfde verhaal als die van 9/11 half truth van 10 jaar of zo terug. Sorry.
waar jij zelf in verleden heilig in geloofde.
Jammer van jou toenmalige 10 jaar tijdverspilling.
even aangeven welk ziekenhuis is te veel moeite maar 10 jaar verneuken met een ander verhaal is geen probleem.

de ironie.
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quote:
Newly Released FBI Docs Shed Light on Apparent Mossad Foreknowledge of 9/11 Attacks
May 17th, 2019

New information released by the FBI has brought fresh scrutiny to the possibility that the “Dancing Israelis,” at least two of whom were known Mossad operatives, had prior knowledge of the attacks on the World Trade Center.

https://www.mintpressnews(...)9-11-attacks/258581/
For years, the official story has been that these individuals, while they had engaged in "immature" behavior by celebrating and being "visibly happy" in their documenting of the attacks, had no prior knowledge of the attack. However, newly released FBI copies of the photos taken by the five Israelis strongly suggest that these individuals had prior knowledge of the attacks on the World Trade Center. The copies of the photos were obtained via a FOIA request made by a private citizen.;


https://www.scribd.com/do(...)sraelis-thru-the-FBI
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0s.gif Op woensdag 4 september 2019 23:56 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Face it, je bent hier gewoon hard door de mand gevallen.
Ik vraag gewoon over wat er met 6000+ gewonden van 9/11 gebeuren is.
Hebben ze 't allemaal overleeft? Ga maar ff zelf onderzoeken. Ben benieuwd.
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