Trump en Kim ondertekenen overeenkomst: einde kernwapenprogramma! #3

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 13:08 schreef sp3c het volgende:
schijnlijk gewoon weer vloeken op twitter

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op woensdag 13-06-2018 om 13:10:03 We save a fortune by not doing war games, as long as we are negotiating in good faith - which both sides are! reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 13:18 schreef bascross het volgende:
Het is jammer dat we nooit zullen weten hoe de reacties zouden zijn van veel mensen als Obama hetzelfde had gedaan, maar ik vermoed ongeveer het tegenovergestelde.

Obama was wel een echte leider trouwens. Onder zijn leiding werd er een slechte deal gemaakt met Iran die niet werd nageleefd. Khadaffi ligt nu ergens onder de grond en Assad krijgt eindelijk de boel weer wat op de rit na alle ellende. Obama bedankt hé.

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Fox News used to hate the idea of talking to North Korea -- but since Trump has mentioned it, they've suddenly opened up to it.

When Obama stated that he would be susceptible to meeting "not just with our friends but our enemies," Fox News correspondents were seriously suspicious, and hyper critical, saying they "think that's a mistake," that he's "bowing and scraping before dictators" and that they're "not sure there's any real discussing issues with Kim Jong-un."

But when mention was made of Trump speaking with him, their opinions seemed much different.

Geraldo Rivera stated the talks would be "breathtaking," "audacious," and he'd be "juiced about it."

Sean Hannity stated, "The world will probably be a little bit safer. The media should be giving President Trump credit for that."

Another correspondent stated "President Trump made the decision himself to meet face-to-face with Kim Jong-un. This guy has a very unique quality of leadership."

When Obama suggests something, he's being brazen and brash but when Trump does he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize -- it appears that Fox News correspondents don't care so much about the issues themselves as much as who is helming them and if they are sympathetic to their party.

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 13:30 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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https://nowthisnews.com/v(...)ons-with-north-korea

Zo waarschijnlijk......

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 13:31 schreef bascross het volgende:

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Ik heb het voornamelijk over de Nederlandse media en de figuren op Fok! zoals jij.

Foxnews is pro-Trump, dus dat is niet zo vreemd.

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 13:35 schreef Igen het volgende:

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En how about de toenadering van Obama wat betreft het mensenrechtenschendende regime op Cuba? En de diplomatieke oplossing van Obama tegenover Iran?

(Wat m.i. positieve stappen van Obama zijn geweest, overigens)

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 13:32 schreef archito het volgende:

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Alleen werd de deal door Iran wel nageleefd zegt zo ongeveer de rest van de wereld tegen Trump.
Dus ik snap niet zo goed waarom Trump dat een slechte deal vond en deze met NK een fantastische deal. In deze overeenkomst staat namelijk niks concreets.

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 13:37 schreef bascross het volgende:

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Dat zou kunnen, maar aangezien zijn resultaten in het Midden-Oosten bijzonder slecht zijn heb ik daar wat minder vertrouwen in.

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 13:38 schreef Igen het volgende:

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Als ik het goed begrijp waren de bezwaren dat Iran nog steeds ballistische raketten mocht ontwerpen en dat bepaalde delen van de beperkingen op het nucleaire programma slechts voor 10 jaar golden.

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 13:37 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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Cuba en Iran zijn heilig vergeleken bij Noord-Korea wat betreft mensenrechten. Cuba en Iran dreigden niet met het gooien van atoombommen op de VS.

Kortom. Ik vind de situatie niet vergelijkbaar.

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 13:38 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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En nu heeft de VS niets.

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kylegriffin1 twitterde op woensdag 13-06-2018 om 13:35:15 North Korea still has all of its nukes. There is still a nuclear threat from North Korea. https://t.co/VlPWWPfCQu reageer retweet

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op woensdag 13-06-2018 om 11:56:57 Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future! reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 13:39 schreef Igen het volgende:

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Als er met atoombommen gegooid dreigt te worden dan is het juist allerhoogste tijd om te gaan praten! Of had je soms een pre-emptive strike van de VS als oplossing willen hebben? En dat Noord-Korea dan half Seoul platbombardeert?

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RichardHaass twitterde op woensdag 13-06-2018 om 13:38:51 .@realDonaldTrump claim there is no longer a NK nuclear threat patently false. The summit changed nothing. Worse yet, overselling the summit makes it harder to keep sanctions in place, further reducing pressure on NK to reduce (much less give up) its nuclear weapons and missiles reageer retweet

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North Korean state media have reported that President Trump made a raft of concessions to Kim Jong Un that were not stated in the two countries' joint statement, following a first-ever meeting of the leaders in Singapore.

While the U.S. has yet to confirm the contents of the reports, they suggest that the two leaders reached more verbal agreements than they put on paper, and made public.

The Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) reported that Kim and Trump agreed that "it is important to abide by the principle of step-by-step and simultaneous action in achieving peace, stability and denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

That would go against what the Trump administration has said so far. Last month, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told the House Foreign Affairs Committee that "the model that we have laid forth is a rapid denuclearization, total and complete, that won't be extended over time."

The administration's argument is that the incremental approach used by past administrations has allowed North Korea to extract rewards and incentives from the U.S., only to ultimately renege and refuse to give up its nukes.

The KCNA report — which was also carried by the Rodong Sinmun, official newspaper of the ruling Workers' Party — also claimed that the president pledged to suspend military drills with South Korea, and lift sanctions on the North.

Trump's comment on suspending joint exercises with Seoul have caught South Korea's Defense Ministry and U.S. forces in Korea off guard.

Neither the issue of military drills nor lifting sanctions was mentioned in the statement. In his media briefing in Singapore on Tuesday, Trump mentioned ending the drills, which he described — in language similar to that used by North Korea — as "provocative," saying it would save the the U.S. money.

"The sanctions will come off when we are sure that the nukes are no longer a factor," Trump said at the briefing, adding, "I hope it's going to be soon."

The KCNA report, as well as the joint statement after the summit, also mentioned that the president had offered North Korea unspecified security guarantees, which Pyongyang considers an indispensable precondition for nuclear disarmament.

Neither side has spelled out exactly what those guarantees might be. But Lu Chao, an expert on North Korea at the Liaoning Academy of Social Sciences in northeast China's Shenyang city, says the guarantees are probably "a repeat of previous U.S. statements that it does not seek to overthrow the current regime in North Korea."

As far back as August, then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson made similar statements.

All of the concessions KCNA claims Trump made are also things has said publicly it wants. At a routine media briefing on Tuesday, Foreign Ministry Spokesman Geng Shuang welcomed the summit's achievements.

He also suggested that the United Nations should consider easing sanctions on Pyongyang to reward it for progress towards giving up its nuclear program.

"Sanctions are not an end in themselves," he said, "the Security Council, through its actions, should support the current diplomatic negotiations."

Shi Yinhong, an international relations expert at People's University in Beijing, said Trump's pledge to halt military maneuvers is, from China's perspective, almost "too good to be true."

Shi predicts that such a move could face stiff domestic opposition. If U.S. troops in South Korea were to really halt military exercises, he says, it could cause allies to lose confidence in Washington and undermine the entire U.S. military presence in Asia

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Op woensdag 13 juni 2018 13:51 schreef Ulx het volgende:
Anyway, nu Trump vrolijk tweet dat deze top alle problemen heeft opgelost is er geen reden meer de sancties in stand te houden.

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RichardHaass twitterde op woensdag 13-06-2018 om 13:38:51 .@realDonaldTrump claim there is no longer a NK nuclear threat patently false. The summit changed nothing. Worse yet, overselling the summit makes it harder to keep sanctions in place, further reducing pressure on NK to reduce (much less give up) its nuclear weapons and missiles reageer retweet

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