De atoombom #2 Atombombs or napalm?

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Op zondag 11 november 2018 18:53 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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Eigenlijk als je het verder gaat ontleden, kom je op energie terrecht. Dus welke vorm van energie creatie kan wel en welke kan niet.

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Op maandag 12 november 2018 00:04 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Then he goes into some scientific jargon which not that many people will really understand (and those who do are just pretending to do so) and talks a lot about theories and possibilities.

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At no point throughout the 14 minutes does he mention anything at all about EMP or any nuclear EMP tests being carried out by anyone.

The video you posted says absolutely nothing to support your claims of 'vooral EMP' (as an effect of a 'nuclear' bomb) or the 'veel info' that the Soviets allegedly collected during the Project K 'nuclear' tests.

EMP - Electromagnetic Pulse - What is it?
https://www.vtyoob.com/video/SOC8kNpRhZ0

Seems like a yet another load of fearmongering bullshit.
All theory and theatre and still no evidence.

Yet you still seem to believe it. You are assuming that the theory and everything we are told about it, is true. You are nothing more than a scientistic-fantasist gamer.

Stop talking through your hat.

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Op maandag 12 november 2018 00:15 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Still nothing of the 'veel info' about 'vooral EMP' to post then.
I might respond when if you eventually post anything of interest to back up the claims you made. Until then - adios.

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Op maandag 12 november 2018 13:30 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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No.Absolutely NOT. All you have done is make a couple of completely unsubstantiated claims and expect people to take your word for it.

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Op maandag 12 november 2018 18:50 schreef illusions het volgende:
Ik ben ook wel benieuwd of kerncentrales stiekem op kolen draaien.

Als je in de scheikunde ervan duikt, zou er dan nooit een professor zijn geweest die het bestaan van nucleaire bommen heeft getracht te ontkennen? Dit is toch veel te groot om stil te houden?

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Op maandag 12 november 2018 20:18 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:

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Vanzelfsprekend zou dat al lang uitgekomen zijn.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2018 02:26 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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Nee natuurlijk gebeurt dat niet, ze moeten ook al ruimtereizen in scène zetten en Dino botten verstoppen in de grond, daar zijn ze al druk zat mee.
Om maar te zwijgen over doktoren en artsen die te maken hebben met radioactiviteit.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2018 13:24 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Because I asked you specifically to provide information to back up your claim that EMP is a major effect from an atomic bomb.
That was weeks ago and you still havent got anywhere near doing so.
Nuclear EMP is a scaremongering, alarmist theory and you should know that.
If you were honest you would have admitted that you could not find any info after all.
Then I would not have had to ask you several times when you continued to evade the question.
And you are still trying to snake out of it.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2018 13:26 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Oh ja and what are your opinions about nuclear EMP?

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2018 22:51 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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I didn't say that at all.

You should take your own 'doe eens even normaal' advies. Zeg.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2018 23:00 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Like I said - I'm more interested in the effects of 'atomic' bombs right now.
Please feel free to join in the discussion if you think you may have anything interesting or constructive to contribute.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2018 23:08 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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'Sorry' to disappoint you, but I have way more trust in the other sources of information I have found rather than the wishy-washy claims that you have made for the last month or so. Or even the last 6 years since I've been posting here for that matter.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2018 23:20 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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I'm disputing your 'vooral EMP' and 'veel info' claims for now.
Not so fast Batman.
Maybe you can elaborate more on the other effects of an atomic bomb....apart from your Billy Big Balls type 'vooral EMP' claiim.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2018 23:29 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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You didn't read the information I posted.
You are very desperately trying to change the subject again.
I asked you about the effects of an 'atomic' bomb.
'vooral EMP' you replied.
You do not have any evidence to support your claiim.
Try to be honest with yourself at least.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2018 23:34 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2018 23:08 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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'Sorry' to disappoint you, but I have way more trust in the other sources of information I have found rather than the wishy-washy claims that you have made for the last month or so. Or even the last 6 years since I've been posting here for that matter.

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Op woensdag 14 november 2018 14:58 schreef illusions het volgende:
Het is apart dat hier de bewijslast wordt omgedraaid. Ik zie ten eerste ATuin-hek op de vraag "welke effecten bedoel je?", "Alle effecten wel, vooral EMP" zeggen - dat betekent dat hij vooral de EMP bedoelt, dat betekent niet dat dat het voornaamste feit is jongens.

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Op woensdag 14 november 2018 17:06 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Jep, precies dat

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2018 23:34 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Fijn avond verder allemaal.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 09:42 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Thanks for clearing that up.

And plus the fact that there still has not been any evidence of nuclear EMP presented - vooral, voornamelijk or otherwise.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 12:15 schreef Tingo het volgende:
I haven’t yet looked properly into the political angles of the ‘nuclear’EMP scaremongery, but much of it seems to be coming from neocon/former military types/organisations. A lot of ‘if this technology gets into the hands of terrorists’ type phrasing being used.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 12:15 schreef Tingo het volgende:
I haven’t yet looked properly into the political angles of the ‘nuclear’EMP scaremongery, but much of it seems to be coming from neocon/former military types/organisations. A lot of ‘if this technology gets into the hands of terrorists’ type phrasing being used.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 13:15 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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EMP from terrorist 'nuclear' bombs. Am sure you'll find some info if you actually ever bother to do some searching.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 13:20 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Hoe dan? Jatten ze er ook even een flinke raket bij?

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 13:24 schreef DupingDelight het volgende:

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Beetje blijven nadenken he.

Bijvoorbeeld:
https://ctc.usma.edu/the-(...)ans-nuclear-weapons/

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 13:33 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Verkeerde link gepost? EMP komt daar niet in voor.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 13:36 schreef DupingDelight het volgende:

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EMP is toch een altijd aanwezig gevolg van een nuke? Dat is althans wat jij zegt, dus dan gaat deze link prima op.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 13:39 schreef DupingDelight het volgende:
Ah niet buiten de vuurbal.. EMP beperkt zich dus tot de vuurbal?

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 13:43 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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nee

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 16:52 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Weet ik niet - moet je aan de neocons/military organisaties die met de 'nuclear'EMP bangmakerij verhaaltjes vragen.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 17:09 schreef ems. het volgende:
Wat zijn die "bangmakerij verhaaltjes" waar dinges de hele tijd op hamert trouwens? Ik heb ze niet meegekregen?

De enige bangmakerij lijkt weer te komen van de mensen die maar niet kunnen ophouden over bangmakerij.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 18:11 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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Koude oorlog?

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 18:11 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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Koude oorlog?

Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 18:12 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 18:23 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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Ik pis in mijn broek, maar goed men leerde mij vroeger ook om links en rechts te kijken bij het oversteken.
En toch ben ik niet bang voor auto's.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 18:12 schreef ems. het volgende:

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Beetje laat om dat te herkauwen en nu te doen alsof we daarmee doodgegooid zouden worden.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 18:27 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Ja interessant toch Je kan je ook afvragen hoeveel zo'n duck & cover nou echt zou helpen. Misschien meer om het publiek gerust te stellen.

South Park - Volcano part Duck and Cover

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 22:09 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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Which source neglected to mention what?
Please try to be more specific.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2018 23:33 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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This 4min video I posted last week which you obviously didn't take the time to watch.
https://www.vtyoob.com/video/SOC8kNpRhZ0

“It (EMP) is the greatest threat that faces our nation today”
“A single nuclear weapon, if you are doing an EMP attack, you could basically eliminate the United States as an actor on the world stage”.
It's very dramatic language in my opinion. Do you agree with Peter Pry - the nuclear EMP threat propagandist?

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The vid does not mention 'terrorists' but I read something somewhere (The Hill maybe) along the lines of 'if terrorists....'. Anyway as I said,I haven't yet had the time to look into the political aspects of EMP properly.
I'll post some more later, depending on how many interesting, thoughtful responses and posts are made and questions answered in an honest, direct manner, and then see if it's worth the bother.

I hope you at least know by now (even if you probably won't ever admit it) that the nuclear EMP issue is just scaremongery and based on theory alone.If you want to go on arguing about it - fine, but you're going to have to dig way deeper.
Sometimes it's just easier to admit you were wrong about an issue.

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Op vrijdag 16 november 2018 22:56 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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I certainly don't know how you could base your belief in nuclear EMP without any practical evidence. You haven't found any otherwise you would have very happily posted it.

Says who? I think we can go quite a bit 'verder over dit subdeel'. There are a few other claims you have made in which you have failed miserably to support.
As I've already written, I haven't had the time to go into the nuclear energy subject. You seem quite keen to move onto another subject.
I'd also want to know more about the other effects of an atomic bomb after the 'vooral EMP' effect/theory has been cleared up properly.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as the saying goes..unless you have been eating too many hypothetical puddings.

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Op vrijdag 16 november 2018 22:56 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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I certainly don't know how you could base your belief in nuclear EMP without any practical evidence. You haven't found any otherwise you would have very happily posted it.

Says who? I think we can go quite a bit 'verder over dit subdeel'. There are a few other claims you have made in which you have failed miserably to support.
As I've already written, I haven't had the time to go into the nuclear energy subject. You seem quite keen to move onto another subject.
I'd also want to know more about the other effects of an atomic bomb after the 'vooral EMP' effect/theory has been cleared up properly.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as the saying goes..unless you have been eating too many hypothetical puddings.

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Op vrijdag 16 november 2018 23:49 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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'Vooral/ voornamelijk' - your claim that the 'EMP hoax' article was 'full of shit' for example. You should be able to go through the whole piece and point out some interesting 'shit' to back up your claiim Then the 'Soviet Project K' tests - also nothing. But then you seem to have quite some faith in the alarmist/fearmongering views of characters such as Peter Pry, who, like you – does not produce anything more than a theory.

For someone as yorurself, who has (several times) claimed to have some scientific understanding, your opinions/explanations seem more than a little shallow.

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Op donderdag 22 november 2018 23:38 schreef Tingo het volgende:
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Op woensdag 14 november 2018 14:58 schreef illusions het volgende:
Het is apart dat hier de bewijslast wordt omgedraaid. Ik zie ten eerste ATuin-hek op de vraag "welke effecten bedoel je?", "Alle effecten wel, vooral EMP" zeggen - dat betekent dat hij vooral de EMP bedoelt, dat betekent niet dat dat het voornaamste feit is jongens.

Ten tweede is er toch legio informatie over atoombommen beschikbaar? Er zijn enorm veel boeken en wetenschappelijke teksten over die heel erg diep in de materie gaan. Als je dat wilt ontkennen, dan kan je toch niet ineens zeggen "Bewijs maar dat het wel kan"?

Wie heeft al die informatie bedacht als het niet werkt, en komt dat nooit uit dan?

https://cnduk.org/how-do-nuclear-weapons-work/

Dat is natuurlijk niet door jan en alleman te reproduceren, dus als atoombommen niet bestaan omdat ik er zelf geen eentje kan maken, lijkt me dat niet een hele sterke beargumentering.

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Op donderdag 22 november 2018 23:59 schreef Tingo het volgende:


Niks meer over 'nuclear' EMP te zeggen dus.
Not that you wrote ANYTHING of interest anyway.

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Op zaterdag 24 november 2018 09:42 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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There comes a time when repeated, unsubstantiated, persistent claims become lies.

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Op zaterdag 24 november 2018 11:36 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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What did you claim exactly? It was all a bit vague. Please be more specific.

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Op zaterdag 1 december 2018 13:27 schreef Tingo het volgende:
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The 'nuclear-EMP threat seems to be a load of bluff and bluster.

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Op zaterdag 1 december 2018 13:27 schreef Tingo het volgende:
As I suspected – the nuclear EMP threat is fearmongery coming from the political right.
Here are a few of the many examples....
Newt Gingrich (Donald Trump supporter)
https://www.politico.com/(...)ch-emp-attack-093002

A science fiction novel called “One Second After” told a cautionary tale of the doomsday scenario that would unfold if such an attack hit the U.S., frying electrical circuits and knocking out power. In the introduction to the book, Gingrich suggested that an EMP attack would “throw all of our lives back to an existence equal to that of the Middle Ages.”
“Millions would die in the first week alone,” he wrote in the foreword of the novel released in 2009.

Statement from the Republican Party. 2016:

Protection against an Electromagnetic Pulse
A single nuclear weapon detonated at high altitude over this country would collapse our electrical grid and other critical infrastructure and endanger the lives of millions. With North Korea in possession of nuclear missiles and Iran close to having them, an EMP is no longer a theoretical concern. Moreover, China and Russia include sabotage as part of their warfare planning.
Nonetheless, hundreds of electrical utility in the U.S. have not acted to protect themselves from EMP and they cannot be expected to do so voluntarily since homeland security is a government responsibility. We support the enactment of Republican legislation, pending in both chambers, to protect the national grid and encourage states to take the initiative to protect their own grids expeditiously.

James Oberg, a distinguished rocket scientist who visited North Korea’s satellite launch facility, warns in this recent Space Review article:

“There have been fears expressed that North Korea might use a satellite to carry a small nuclear warhead into orbit and then detonate it over the United States for an EMP strike. These concerns seem extreme and require an astronomical scale of irrationality on the part of the regime. The most frightening aspect, I’ve come to realize, is that exactly such a scale of insanity is now evident in the rest of their ‘space program.’ That doomsday scenario, it now seems, has become plausible enough to compel the United States to take active measures to insure that no North Korean satellite, unless thoroughly inspected before launch, be allowed to reach orbit and ever overfly the United States.”

Also Al Jazeera is in on it.
ONE MINUTE | Nuclear E.M.P. explained

ONE MINUTE | Nuclear E.M.P. explained

Here is a bit more about 'ex' -CIA man and nuclear EMP threat salesman, Peter Vincent Pry....
Looks like he has been peddling the 'nuclear EMP' THEORY for about 35 years. He has worked very hard at spreading the 'nuclear' EMP threat propaganda.
https://jimbakkershow.com/guest-bios/dr-peter-vincent-pry/

Dr. Peter Vincent Pry is Executive Director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and Director of the U.S. Nuclear Strategy Forum, both Congressional Advisory Boards, and served on the Congressional EMP Commission, the Congressional Strategic Posture Commission, the House Armed Services Committee, and the CIA.
He is author of Apocalypse Unknown: The Struggle To Protect America From An Electromagnetic Pulse Catastrophe and Electric Armageddon, both available from CreateSpace.com and Amazon.com. Dr. Pry often appears on TV and radio as an expert on national security issues. The BBC made his book War Scare into a two-hour TV documentary Soviet War Scare 1983 and his book Electric Armageddon was the basis for another TV documentary Electronic Armageddon made by the National Geographic.
Dr. Pry serves as contributing editor on several articles for Family Security Matters and writes up-to-date articles based on today’s news and what it means for America on the EMP Task Force website.

The 'nuclear-EMP threat seems to be a load of bluff and bluster.

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Op maandag 12 november 2018 18:50 schreef illusions het volgende:
Ik ben ook wel benieuwd of kerncentrales stiekem op kolen draaien.

Als je in de scheikunde ervan duikt, zou er dan nooit een professor zijn geweest die het bestaan van nucleaire bommen heeft getracht te ontkennen? Dit is toch veel te groot om stil te houden?

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Op zaterdag 1 december 2018 22:24 schreef Maverick_tfd het volgende:
TS lijkt vooral met informatie te komen waaruit blijkt dat de EMP van kernwapens mogelijk een vrij beperkte invloed heeft. Het zegt echter niks over het al dan niet bestaan van kernwapens. Sterker nog, de bronnen suggereren dat kernwapens bestaan.

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Op maandag 10 december 2018 23:15 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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No.
I quoted the SF novel foreword written by (space-fan, Trump supporter, former Neocon, 'nuclear' EMP theory merchant) Newt Gingrich as an example of the nuclear EMP fear propaganda.
I don't quite understand why you ask such a question. Maybe you misread my post.

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Op maandag 10 december 2018 23:41 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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You should be asking why such a person would write a foreword in a SF novel.
Like I said - I was merely pointing out the 'nuclear' EMP fear propaganda. You don't get it.
Sorry - but I expect better from an English teacher.

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Op maandag 10 december 2018 23:57 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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I'm not lying about anything.

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Op dinsdag 11 december 2018 00:03 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Yeah you are. Hij vroeg quote je uit een roman. Jij zegt nee, waarna blijkt dat je quote uit een roman.