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  maandag 18 juli 2016 @ 12:15:03 #1
377395 martijnde3de
Freedom is not free
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De Republikeinse kandidaat



Donald Trump - New York
Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016

Afgevallen kandidaten:
Rick Perry
Scott Walker
Bobby Jindal
Lindsey Graham
George Pataki
Mike Huckabee
Rand Paul
Rick Santorum
Carly Fiorina
Chris Christie
Jim Gilmore
Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Marco Rubio
Ted Cruz
John Kasich

De Democratische kandidaat



Hillary Clinton - New York
Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016

Afgevallen kandidaten:
Lincoln Chafee
Jim Webb
Lawrence Lessig
Martin O'Malley
Bernie Sanders

De libertarische kandidaat



Gary Johson - New Mexico
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson_presidential_campaign,_2016]Gary Johnson presidential campaign, 2016

De groene kandidaat



Jill Stein - Massachusetts
Jill Stein presidential campaign, 2016

Voorverkiezingen:

Poll: Op welke republikein zou jij stemmen?
Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz
Carly Fiorina
Jim Gilmore
Lindsey Graham
Mike Huckabee
Bobby Jindal
John Kasich
George Pataki
Rand Paul
Rick Perry
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Donald Trump
Scott Walker
Tussenstand:

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Poll: Op welke democraat zou jij stemmen?
Lincoln Chafee
Hillary Clinton
Martin O'Malley
Bernie Sanders
Jim Webb
Lawrence Lessig
Joe Biden
Tussenstand:

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Two-way race

Poll: Op welke kandidaat zou jij stemmen?
Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Tussenstand:

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Four-way race

Poll: Op welke kandidaat zou jij stemmen?
Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton
Gary Johnson
Jill Stein
Tussenstand:

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OP met dank aan Odaiba en polls met dank aan Martijnde3de.

Game on. *O* .

[ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door martijnde3de op 18-07-2016 16:26:26 ]
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.
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wie zijn Stein en Johnson ?
  maandag 18 juli 2016 @ 12:54:27 #3
377395 martijnde3de
Freedom is not free
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0s.gif Op maandag 18 juli 2016 12:28 schreef arjan1112 het volgende:
wie zijn Stein en Johnson ?
Gary Johnson is een Amerikaans ondernemer en politicus. Van 1995 tot 2003 was Gary Johnson gouverneur van de staat New Mexico. Hij is de kandidaat van de Libertarische Partij.

https://www.johnsonweld.com/

Jill Stein is een Amerikaanse arts , activist en politicus. Ze was lid van de gemeenteraad van Lexington van 2005 tot 2011. Ze is de kandidaat voor de Groene Partij.

http://www.jill2016.com/
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.
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http://www.dailymail.co.u(...)rump-Daily-Show.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/ca(...)-locked-some-2385526

Misschien kunnen boze (ex)Sanders' stemmers er voor zorgen dat Trump alsnog gaat winnen.
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0s.gif Op maandag 18 juli 2016 13:45 schreef Voice_of_Liberty het volgende:
http://www.dailymail.co.u(...)rump-Daily-Show.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/ca(...)-locked-some-2385526

Misschien kunnen boze (ex)Sanders' stemmers er voor zorgen dat Trump alsnog gaat winnen.
Als je kijkt naar de drilldowns van de peilingen dan valt dat allemaal wel mee. Er worden over en weer wat stemmen weggetrokken vooralsnog, waarbij ook nog niet eens duidelijk is of het specifiek 'Sanders-stemmers' zijn
Je ene linkje is overigens een maand oud en de ander 2.5 week. In de tussentijd is er nog wel weer het één en ander gebeurt.

Vooralsnog lijkt de afkeer van Trump het ook wel te winnen van die van Clinton.

quote:
Trump panic drives progressives toward Clinton
At Netroots Nation, there was little love for Hillary but plenty of concern about the need to defeat the presumptive GOP nominee.

ST. LOUIS -- The Democratic convention that will nominate Hillary Clinton for president is just a week away, but you wouldn't have known it at the annual Netroots Nation Conference this year.
The buttons sported by attendees and the placards festooned around the convention hall here supported the Black Lives Matter movement or opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. Beyond a video message sent to the annual progressive gathering by Clinton, there was little other evidence of her campaign.

The scene at the four-day conference, which ended Sunday, was emblematic of the uneasy truce between Clinton and many of the pro-Bernie Sanders progressives who came for the training sessions and to sit in on panels featuring liberal luminaries like billionaire environmentalist Tom Steyer and Wisconsin Sen. Tammy Baldwin. There was little enthusiasm for the presumptive Democratic nominee, only a grim recognition of the need to join together to stop Donald Trump in November.
"I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Hillary," said Maria Chappelle-Nadal, a Missouri state senator and congressional candidate who endorsed Sanders during the primary. "I'll do the right thing. Trump shouldn't be responsible for the American people."
"Of course I'm supporting Hillary," said Ryan How, a Sanders supporter and English as a second language instructor at Gannon University in Pennsylvania who came with his partner to St. Louis. "What else can I do?"
The lingering bitterness among many activists, candidates and elected officials who backed Sanders wasn't far from the surface. But in more than a dozen interviews, nearly all of these progressives mentioned the urgency of defeating Trump. They'll worry about Clinton later.
For most of them, the idea of sitting out the election isn't an option -- a promising sign for Democrats who worried that many of Sanders' supporters might not return to the party fold after the contentious primary.
"Trump is just so bad," said Netroots Nation Executive Director Raven Brooks. "Everyone recognizes what a clear and present danger he is to the country, and then you look at what's going on around us; the police are essentially executing black men right now. People just realize that there are more important things to do than fight over a couple of candidates."

Brooks said about 2,500 people will have shown up throughout the conference, a figure slightly smaller than in years past. As he sat in the cavernous convention space surrounded by booths representing groups ranging from unions to an organization called Drinking Liberally, Brooks reflected on the differences between this moment and eight years ago, when the Democratic Party emerged from another bruising primary process.
"One thing that's clearly happening -- with Black Lives Matter leading the way but other groups too -- they're applying actual pressure to these candidates to include real things in their platforms and actually work for the causes that we're all working for," Brooks said.
Progressive changes to the Democratic National Committee platform helped generate some goodwill toward the Clinton campaign, with many activists here pointing to Clinton's leftward movement on everything from trade to higher education reform. Sanders on Friday said he'd create three new organizations to continue advocating for progressive issues and candidates who he supports.
Clinton -- who was booed at the conference in 2007, the only conference she has attended -- offered another olive branch Saturday in her video: She committed to a constitutional amendment overturning the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision.
"Bottom line is I believe I can work with Hillary Clinton, especially with the wide-awake movement that's present," said Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison, one of the first elected officials to support Sanders and an appointee to the DNC platform committee. "If we have these young people who are like, 'It's not about the person, it is about the platform, it is about the issues,' and if we can get some unity on the issues, then Clinton has to deal with the issues."
Ellison, who now supports Clinton, also pointed to the prospect of the presumptive GOP nominee.
"Trump is a danger to the republic," he said.
The experience of President Barack Obama's historic election -- and the ensuing disappointment about his agenda among many progressives -- has in some ways worked to Clinton's advantage. Several activists here said they know now that an attractive and charismatic candidate is not enough. They are learning to live with her because they want to be in a position to hold her feet to the fire when she takes office -- in terms of her Cabinet appointments or what she will do during her first month in office. And if Trump captures the White House, they're going to need to "stop the apocalypse," as one progressive leader bluntly put it.

The shift from enthusiastically backing Sanders to supporting his rival, however, hasn't been easy either for progressive leaders or grass-roots activists.
"The feeling is that everyone is going to vote for her," said Jim Dean, chairman of Democracy for America, who couldn't go 5 feet at Netroots without running into an old pal or some friend from his brother Howard's 2004 presidential campaign. "Some will work for her, while some will work for other candidates whose thinking they're more comfortable with."
Dean, whose organization gave Sanders a massive boost when it endorsed him last December, said he'll vote for Clinton come November and he hopes the rank-and-file members of DFA do as well -- because of Trump.
But, he warned, if young people who came out in droves for Sanders -- like Dean's 23-year-old son -- continue to feel estranged from the top of the ticket and stay at home, Democrats from Clinton on down will be in trouble.
"If the disaffected voters don't vote, that's a failure of the Democratic Party and the state parties, for how they treated Sanders," he said.
Greg Connor, a former Sanders volunteer, represents the worst-case scenario for Clinton.
Sitting outside the convention center, Connor was still wearing his "Sanders for President" shirt along with lime-green shorts and a backwards hat. Sanders may have endorsed Clinton but, in Connor's view, he hasn't conceded the race. The Democratic National Committee wronged the Vermont senator, the media kept him off the airwaves, and Clinton provokes a visceral sense of dread, because of her "deceit," he said.
So will he vote for the presumptive Democratic nominee?
"No chance," he said.
Politico

Als je de kandidaten (en partijen) inhoudelijk beoordeelt in plaats van je te laten leiden door irrationele haat, dan is dat ook niet zo gek natuurlijk.

[ Bericht 75% gewijzigd door Monolith op 18-07-2016 16:26:51 ]
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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In de New Yorker doet de schrijver van the art of the deal een boekje open over Trump:
http://www.newyorker.com/(...)mbid=social_facebook
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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http://www.politico.eu/ar(...)ald-trump-gay-rally/
Geert komt morgen in Cleveland tussen de homo's ook nog even z'n steun betuigen aan Donald Trump.
  maandag 18 juli 2016 @ 18:29:56 #8
177053 Klopkoek
Woke Warrior
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Wat is die Koen Petersen toch een kwaadaardige flapdrol (bij EenVandaag)
Deuger, Woke & Gutmensch
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
  maandag 18 juli 2016 @ 19:01:13 #9
65394 Montov
Dogmaticus Irritantus
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Colbert spreekt bij de RNC convention:

:D

En Trump weer op zijn Trumps. Zo lekker eerlijk over zijn eigen opportunisme.

quote:
CBS Reporter To Trump: Why Do You Bash Clinton On Iraq War Vote But Not Pence?

During the first joint interview with Donald Trump and his running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, CBS News' Lesley Stahl grilled Trump on Pence's past support for the Iraq War.

"I don’t care," Trump said when asked about Pence's past vote for the Iraq War.

"What do you mean you don’t care that he voted?" Stahl asked.

"It’s a long time ago. And he voted that way. And they were also misled. A lot of information was given to people," Trump replied.

Stahl then pointed out that Trump has criticized Hillary Clinton for voting for the Iraq War as a senator.

"You’ve used that vote of Hillary’s, that was the same as Gov. Pence, as the example of her bad judgement," she said.

"Many people have, and frankly, I’m one of the few that was right on Iraq," Trump said in response.

When asked again about how Pence voted, Trump said, "He’s entitled to make a mistake every once in a while."

"But she’s not," Stahl clarified, referring to Clinton.

"She’s not. No, she’s not," Trump said.

http://talkingpointsmemo.(...)on-iraq-war-vote-cbs
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
  maandag 18 juli 2016 @ 19:04:19 #10
168304 Mani89
We try not to sexualize them.
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Dat 60 Minutes interview was redelijk ongemakkelijk. Er is 0,0 chemie tussen die 2.
Reis ver, drink wijn, denk na, lach hard, duik diep. Kom Terug.
  maandag 18 juli 2016 @ 19:33:15 #11
67640 SaintOfKillers
Hold me closer, Tony Danza
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mike_pence twitterde op zaterdag 16-07-2016 om 22:14:25 Busy weekend in NY! Enjoying a quick dinner with the family at @Chilis. Looking forward to getting back to Indiana. https://t.co/SUFjYcvQpH reageer retweet


De dochter van Mike Pence is een vampier.
The average burglar breaks in and leaves clues everywhere. But not me. I'm completely clueless.
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99s.gif Op maandag 18 juli 2016 19:33 schreef SaintOfKillers het volgende:
mike_pence twitterde op zaterdag 16-07-2016 om 22:14:25 Busy weekend in NY! Enjoying a quick dinner with the family at @Chilis. Looking forward to getting back to Indiana. https://t.co/SUFjYcvQpH reageer retweet
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De dochter van Mike Pence is een vampier.
:D oeps
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99s.gif Op maandag 18 juli 2016 19:33 schreef SaintOfKillers het volgende:
mike_pence twitterde op zaterdag 16-07-2016 om 22:14:25 Busy weekend in NY! Enjoying a quick dinner with the family at @Chilis. Looking forward to getting back to Indiana. https://t.co/SUFjYcvQpH reageer retweet
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De dochter van Mike Pence is een vampier.
Zijn er problemen in het gezin Pence? Zo te zien is ze er bijgeshopt. :P
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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Live te volgen op Twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/gopconvention

Nog weinig 'show' en Trump tot nu toe.

Meest recente poll:
sahilkapur twitterde op maandag 18-07-2016 om 19:09:54 Monmouth national pollClinton 43% (-4 since June)Trump 40% (+0)**DEMS: Clinton 88%GOP: Trump 81%IND: Trump leads 40-31% reageer retweet


[ Bericht 71% gewijzigd door Nintex op 18-07-2016 19:48:38 ]
  maandag 18 juli 2016 @ 19:47:32 #15
65394 Montov
Dogmaticus Irritantus
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1s.gif Op maandag 18 juli 2016 19:35 schreef Monolith het volgende:

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Zijn er problemen in het gezin Pence? Zo te zien is ze er bijgeshopt. :P
Volgens mij niet geshopt, maar is haar spiegelbeeld verborgen achter Pence.
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
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0s.gif Op maandag 18 juli 2016 19:47 schreef Montov het volgende:

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Volgens mij niet geshopt, maar is haar spiegelbeeld verborgen achter Pence.
Ja bij nadere inspectie had ik het idee dat het net de juiste hoek kon zijn waardoor ze volledig achter Pence verdween.
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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Rellen vanwege Trump. _O- :')
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Nog een Pyrrusoverwinning voor de Never Trump beweging:
http://www.politico.com/s(...)vote-225716?cmpid=sf
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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0s.gif Op maandag 18 juli 2016 21:12 schreef Monolith het volgende:
Nog een Pyrrusoverwinning voor de Never Trump beweging:
http://www.politico.com/s(...)vote-225716?cmpid=sf
En wie gaan de republikeinen dan als kandidaat nomineren. Eentje die zich al teruggetrokken had uit de race om presidentskandidaat te worden. Dan maak je het Clintons campangeteam wel heel makkelijk.
Op woensdag 31 januari 2007 19:20 schreef Lord_Vetinari het volgende:
Ik heb veel stomme posts gezien op fora, maar deze zit toch wel in de top 10 (voorzichtig geschat; het kan ook de top 5 zijn). Nou ik sta iig in zijn top 10
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1s.gif Op maandag 18 juli 2016 21:31 schreef vipergts het volgende:

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En wie gaan de republikeinen dan als kandidaat nomineren. Eentje die zich al teruggetrokken had uit de race om presidentskandidaat te worden. Dan maak je het Clintons campangeteam wel heel makkelijk.
De kans dat de rule change er überhaupt door zou komen is al nihil, laat staan dat dit vervolgens zal leiden tot het kiezen van een andere kandidaat.
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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Chaos, nog steeds rebellerende delegates tegen Trump
thehill twitterde op maandag 18-07-2016 om 22:27:25 BREAKING: Convention erupts in chaos as GOP passes rules vote https://t.co/owaJdOnAa4 #RNCinCLE https://t.co/iENgied1gj reageer retweet
Geen goede maand voor coup legers, rebellion gestopt

TIME twitterde op maandag 18-07-2016 om 22:48:01 Convention floor erupts after 'Never Trump' action fails https://t.co/9GrGDdL6k0 reageer retweet
Maar... zet de popcorn maar alvast klaar

brianmrosenthal twitterde op maandag 18-07-2016 om 23:05:14 "This is not over," Kendal Unruh, CO delegate leading anti-Trump movement, just said on C-SPAN. "You will see more insurgency." #RNCinCLE reageer retweet


[ Bericht 24% gewijzigd door Nintex op 18-07-2016 23:07:40 ]
  maandag 18 juli 2016 @ 23:37:10 #22
440653 BarryOSeven
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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Trump heeft een zojuist een auto ongeluk gehad. Hij is OK.
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Wat is er allemaal aan de hand?
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0s.gif Op maandag 18 juli 2016 21:12 schreef Monolith het volgende:
Nog een Pyrrusoverwinning voor de Never Trump beweging:
http://www.politico.com/s(...)vote-225716?cmpid=sf
Overwinning?
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