Crisis Oekraïne - Rusland #210 met weinig nieuwe ontwikkelingen

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Op woensdag 15 juli 2015 17:01 schreef reza1 het volgende:

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Je kan geen land binnenvallen wat al van jou is, de Krim is altijd Russisch geweest.

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Op woensdag 15 juli 2015 22:05 schreef Polacco het volgende:

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De Krim was voor de imperialistische inval van de Russen grondgebied van Oekraine.

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Op woensdag 15 juli 2015 17:01 schreef reza1 het volgende:

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Je kan geen land binnenvallen wat al van jou is, de Krim is altijd Russisch geweest.

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Op woensdag 15 juli 2015 22:59 schreef PLAE@ het volgende:

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Huh, sinds 1780 ofzo was het bezet door de Russen bedoel je? , daarvoor was het toch echt oorlog met de 'Russen'.

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Op woensdag 15 juli 2015 14:37 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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In Moldavië is het niet beter, eerder nog slechter.

Rusland straft Moldavië zelfs omdat ze niet pro-Russisch hebben gestemd, wat moeten Moldaviërs wel niet van Rusland denken?

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Op woensdag 15 juli 2015 22:12 schreef reza1 het volgende:

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Nee, de niet legitieme dictator Chroesjtsjov had het gestolen van Rusland.

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Op donderdag 16 juli 2015 01:39 schreef Polacco het volgende:

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De Russen hebben het juist weer gejat van het Kanaat van de Krim.

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Op donderdag 16 juli 2015 01:48 schreef Romanus het volgende:

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Ja maar die hebben het weer gejat van de 'Golden Horde', en zij hebben het weer overgenomen van Ghengis Khan, die het op zijn beurt had veroverd op Kiev Rus, en deels het Byzantijnse Rijk. En daarvoor nog de Romeinen, Grieken en Scythen. Verder weet ik het even niet . Wie zou je nu de oorspronkelijke 'eigenaar' noemen?

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Op woensdag 15 juli 2015 23:06 schreef reza1 het volgende:

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Dan wordt de VS ook bezet, dat was eerst van de indianen.

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Op woensdag 8 juli 2015 01:07 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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http://news.yahoo.com/rus(...)-kiev-155519945.html

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Op woensdag 15 juli 2015 15:58 schreef ZOA het volgende:

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The Ukrainian civil war has moved west. Whereas the eastern rebels and gangsters are ‘only’ seeking to secede from Kiev, their western brethren wish to take over the entire country and control all its criminal levers. Ukraine one year after the Maidan coup - the actors have changed, but the script sounds the same to me.

Hier is niets pro Russisch aan.. dit is gewoon een feit en de belangrijkste reden waarom er nu een burgeroorlog gaande is

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Op donderdag 16 juli 2015 09:51 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Dit is gewoon weer Russische stemmingmakerij. Er is niets aan de hand in het westen.

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Op donderdag 16 juli 2015 09:51 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Dit is gewoon weer Russische stemmingmakerij. Er is niets aan de hand in het westen.

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Op donderdag 16 juli 2015 10:57 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
Als jullie het maar vaak genoeg roepen wordt het vanzelf wel waar, jongens!

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Far right group challenges Ukraine government after shootout

A Ukrainian far right group demanded the resignation of the interior minister and said it would block roads around Kiev on Sunday in a standoff over a fatal gun battle that challenges the authority of the government.

Kiev has called on Right Sector, which played a prominent role in protests that toppled Moscow-backed President Viktor Yanukovich a year ago, to lay down their weapons after a shootout on Saturday in the town of Mukacheve killed at least two people.

The cause of the violence is not clear. The sides have different versions of events but Right Sector's response underlines the problems Kiev has keeping order while trying to carry out reforms and crush a rebellion in its east.

Close to bankruptcy and fearful of renewed conflict with pro-Russian separatists in the east, Kiev has been criticized for being slow to reform the country's legal system, which is still described as favoring the rich and powerful.

Right Sector presented its battle in Mukacheve as one to root out corruption, saying they had been lured to a sports club in Mukacheve on Saturday by a local politician they had accused of smuggling. It said their members were set upon by local police, who killed two of their members.

Dozens of supporters of Right Sector, which is in turn hailed or blamed for injecting violence into last year's Maidan protests, also protested in Kiev and other major cities to demand Interior Minister Arsen Avakov be sacked.

In Kiev, the Interior Ministry said Right Sector opened fire first, killing one civilian, and Avakov said on his Facebook page three police officers and four civilians had been wounded in grenade attacks.

Some officials suggested the violence was a turf war between groups keen to control smuggling routes from Mukacheve, which borders Hungary, Slovakia and Romania.

On Sunday, the two sides were locked in a standoff, with Right Sector members refusing to give up their arms. Kiev sent more police to the region to try to persuade them to do so and President Petro Poroshenko ordered the police to disarm and arrest those responsible for the shooting.

PLAN TO BLOCK ROADS

Oleksiy Byk, a spokesman for Right Sector, said the group would set up as many checkpoints as needed to stop the flow of police reinforcements.

"We will block the roads which the police can use to send more forces to surround our comrades," he told a news conference. "These checkpoints are not to stop civilian cars but to stop the police or any other force which is being sent to reinforce ... Mukacheve."

One checkpoint outside Kiev had been set up next to a police checkpoint and was manned by two unarmed Right Sector members. They told local television they would not stop police cars.

Right Sector also said they would send their men to Kiev if Avakov was not sacked.

Analysts said the moves were a direct challenge to Poroshenko and his government, and could threaten to open up a new front in Kiev's battle to bring order to Ukraine.

"What happened in Mukacheve - this is a serious signal to the state. They must speed up moves to establish order - there must be no illegal armed groups," said Volodymyr Fesenko, an analyst at Kiev's independent Penta political research center.

"What happened in Mukacheve is a settling of scores between criminals. It is a conflict between clans, one of which calls themselves patriots ... This is challenge to stability."

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Far-Right group Pravy Sektor challenges Ukraine government after shootout

An armed standoff between government forces and the group entered its second day after a confrontation between Pravy Sektor and men loyal to a local MP critical of the group turned violent

A standoff was under way between government forces and members of the far-Right paramilitary group Pravy Sektor (Right Sector) on Sunday after the militia reportedly launched a gun and grenade attack in a western Ukrainian town and later demanded the resignation of the country's interior minister.

Army troops and police surrounded Pravy Sektor's bases in the area following the battle in the town of Mukachevo on Saturday, which appeared to have erupted after its fighters confronted men loyal to a local MP critical of the group.

At least two Pravy Sektor fighters were killed and seven people injured in the fighting, which also saw two police cars destroyed by grenade launchers.

An unknown number of Pravy Sektor fighters were still believed to be hiding in countryside near the town, close to the Polish and Hungarian borders, on Sunday evening.

Dmitro Yarosh, the head of the far-Right group, flew into the town on Sunday to negotiate an end to the stand off.

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A gunfight between Pravy Sektor members and local police in Mukacheve, killed up to four people and wounded 11, according to the Kiev Post.

Kiev is promising to crack down on the Pravy Sektor nationalist group, after violence broke out between its members and security forces in western Ukraine.

Pravy Sektor, known in English as Right Sector, was heavily involved in the uprising that deposed pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovich in early 2014, leading to the current insurgency in the east of the country. Its members are currently involved in that conflict as well, fighting alongside, but separately from, government troops in the Donbas region.

A gunfight between Pravy Sektor members and local police in Mukacheve, killed up to four people and wounded 11, according to the Kiev Post.

On Tuesday The Guardian reported that booby traps allegedly set by the group wounded two policemen.

According to local media, around 10 members of the group were surrounded by police in a standoff in the Zakarpattia region as of Tuesday.

The group has also begun protesting in a number of Ukrainian cities, calling for the dismissal of senior security services officials over the shootout.

In response, President Petro Poroshenko ordered Ukraine’s security services and police on Monday to disarm “illegal groups,” saying they threatened to further destabilize the country.

Poroshenko said in a statement there needs to be a tough investigation into the events there and that the Interior Ministry, security services and other law enforcement officials must disarm “all illegal armed groups.”

“No political force should have and will not have any kind of armed cells. No political organization has the right to establish … criminal groups,” Poroshenko said.

Earlier this year the Simon Wiesenthal Center condemned the group, as well as the neo-Nazi Svoboda Party, of holding a march through downtown Kiev in honor of Holocaust-era Ukrainian nationalist leader Stepan Bandera. The insurgent’s faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists helped murder thousands of Jews during the Second World War.

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Op donderdag 16 juli 2015 12:54 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
En die groep is groot genoeg om de huidige regering omver te werpen natuurlijk

Pull the other one.

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Op donderdag 16 juli 2015 12:58 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Ow, toen je zei "Er is niets aan de hand in het westen. " bedoelde je eigenlijk: "ze zijn niet sterk genoeg om de regering omver te werpen".

Tja, onze definitie van "iets aan de hand zijn" verschilt blijkbaar...

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Op donderdag 16 juli 2015 13:09 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Die partij loopt al herrie te trappen ver voor Maidan, tijdens Maidan en ook vlak na Maidan zijn er conflictjes geweest. Dat weet jij net zo goed. Om dan te gaan beweren dat er plotseling iets gaande is wat de regering omver kan werpen is gewoon bullshit. Er is simpelweg niks veranderd.

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Op donderdag 16 juli 2015 13:12 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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De enige die gesproken heeft over omverwerpen van de regering ben jij.

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Poroshenko demands probe into crimes related to customs officers in Zakarpattia

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has demanded that law enforcement agencies in Zakarpattia region investigate illegal activities conducted by and against local customs officers.