En jij als eerste een grad op je hoofdquote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 17:31 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Hopen dat we in een oorlog geraken met Rusland. Beetje spanning en sensatie enzo.
quote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 17:31 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Hopen dat we in een oorlog geraken met Rusland. Beetje spanning en sensatie enzo.
Kan ik je een kopje radioactieve thee aanbieden?quote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 17:31 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Hopen dat we in een oorlog geraken met Rusland. Beetje spanning en sensatie enzo.
Dat zou dan weer wat jammer zijn.quote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 17:32 schreef theNull het volgende:
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En jij als eerste een grad op je hoofd
Dit topic wordt gevolgd door mindef, de notoire grootmuilen gaan voorop.quote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 17:32 schreef theNull het volgende:
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En jij als eerste een grad op je hoofd
Wat toevallig dat dat net nu bekend wordt gemaaktquote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 17:26 schreef Houtenbeen het volgende:twitter:FoxNews twitterde op woensdag 11-02-2015 om 17:20:08 US sending around 600 paratroopers to Ukraine to train troops. http://t.co/ONjS5HVqiw reageer retweet
Volgens de NAVO zijn er duizend Russen aanwezig, met de CIA en NAVO adviseurs meegeteld zal het Westen dus een vergelijkbare militaire aanwezigheid hebben.quote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 17:26 schreef Houtenbeen het volgende:twitter:FoxNews twitterde op woensdag 11-02-2015 om 17:20:08 US sending around 600 paratroopers to Ukraine to train troops. http://t.co/ONjS5HVqiw reageer retweet
Volgens mij kwam dit hier al eerder voorbij vandaagquote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 17:34 schreef Fossieltje het volgende:
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Wat toevallig dat dat net nu bekend wordt gemaakt
maar dat is pas in maart, in de tussentijd kan er veel veranderenquote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 17:34 schreef Fossieltje het volgende:
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Wat toevallig dat dat net nu bekend wordt gemaakt
Ja... alle tijd..Rusland heeft een dag of 3 nodig om Oekraine onder de voet te lopenquote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 17:37 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
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maar dat is pas in maart, in de tussentijd kan er veel veranderen
quote:USA Today, one of the biggest American newspapers, published on its front page a map of Ukraine - not showing Crimean Peninsula as part of it. The perception challenges the Western stance declaring Crimea’s joining Russia illegal.
The map is part of the newspaper’s coverage of Wednesday’s meeting in Minsk to negotiate a truce in the Ukrainian civil war. It was not immediately clear whether excluding Crimea was a mistake or an editorial choice.
Crimea is a former region of Ukraine, which voted in a referendum to split from the country after an armed coup ousted its elected government. Crimean people asked Moscow to accept the region as part of the Russian Federation, which it did.
Kiev and its Western sponsors viewed it as an illegal annexation through military force and imposed sanctions against Russia over the move. Moscow insists the Crimean people exercised their right to self-determination in full compliance with the UN Charter and other international laws. The disputed sovereignty over Crimea is part of a wider Ukrainian crisis that sent the world into the most serious confrontation since the end of Cold War.
The USA Today publication comes days after CNN made a Ukraine-related gaffe, labeling the national army as “pro-US troops.” The news channel apologized for the mistake, which many sarcastic commenters called a Freudian slip-of-tongue.
quote:Why do some of the “moral leaders” of the West get so excited about the Russian media not agreeing with them?
Edward Lucas, the senior editor at The Economist magazine, made in fact a self-defeating confession in his speech at the Munich security conference: “Why do people watch RT so avidly? Because they think that the mainstream media is not telling them the truth and they are fed up with the political elite in our countries.”
Sorry, Mr. Lucas, but in what way is this situation in the West different from the state of affairs in Brezhnev’s Soviet Union, where people no less avidly tuned in to the BBC and Radio Free Europe? People in the USSR did it for the same reasons - because they thought that the “mainstream” Soviet media was not telling them the truth and because they were fed up with the political elite in their country (which now became 15+ different countries).
Of course, in the view of Mr. Lucas, this is an unbearable situation. History knows two ways to remedy it. One was tried by Mr. Gorbachev who stopped jamming Western stations in 1987-1988 and allowed internships of Western journalists in Russia and of Soviet journalists – in Western publications. The other one had been tried before Gorbachev by Brezhnev and many others, who jammed the foreign radio and arrested the locals who dared to work for it. Now Mr. Lucas is actually proposing to use Brezhnev’s tactics, temporarily replacing arrests with ostracism:
“I think we could do a bit more ostracism,” Mr. Lucas said at the Munich conference. “I’m quite happy to say that if anyone puts a CV on my desk, and on that CV I see they worked at RT or Sputnik or one of these things, that CV is going into the bin and not into the in-tray. We would not have accepted it during the Cold War that people could move from working for Pravda, or Izvestia, or TASS, and then into jobs in Western media. Far too many people see a job at RT as the first stage on a career ladder. It’s not. It’s the last stage on a career ladder.”
How is this thinking different from the thinking of the KGB generals (whom Mr. Lucas likes to condemn so much), who made sure a job with Radio Free Europe would be the last stage on a career ladder for a young Soviet citizen in the early 1980s? (I have some acquaintances who had to go through such an ordeal.) Mr. Lucas should also take note that even in the early 1990s, still under the Soviet Union; journalists from some Soviet media were offered jobs and internships in Western media. Now Mr. Lucas wants to return to the preceding epoch, obviously.
How does all of this jive with Western values?
“The kind of language which some of the Western “leaders of opinion” use against their Russian opponents is detrimental to the Western values in the first place. Sanctions against Russia contradict the principle of free economic activity, the Magnitsky list was against the presumption of innocence, since some Russian citizens were declared criminals without a trial,” comments Ben Aris, chief editor of the Business New Europe internet news outlet.
One could add – certain words and actions of Edward Lucas and his comrade-in-arms, author of several fiery anti-Putin books, Ben Judah – some of these words and actions breach the rules of debate.
Since I took part in several radio discussions on the BBC World Service and Sky News with Lucas and Judah, I can testify that they never object to the essence of the opponent’s arguments. Instead, they prefer personal attacks. “There is no sense in listening to HIM,” Ben Judah said in a recent debate with me on Sky News. I had to retort that, when arguing with Mr. Judah, I criticized his line of argumentation and language (“Putin’s cleptocracy”, “Russia’s aggression”), and not his persona.
“This is a new low in the argumentation of Mr. Lucas,” Charles Bausman, Moscow-based American CEO of the Russia Insider internet resource commented. “In fact, whenever Mr. Lucas opens his mouth he becomes a great asset for the so called Russian propaganda that he likes so much to talk about.”
Indeed, the best propaganda you can do against Edward Lucas is just to quote him in full. His words speak for themselves.
Oekraine zelf toch ook? Dat is waar de hele burgeroorlog om begonnen isquote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 18:00 schreef TLC het volgende:
Toch ironisch dat je vredesbesprekingen gaat houden in het enige dictatoriale land van Europa
Het enige wat ik mooi vind zijn die blauwe gordijnen, en van die 2e foto krijg ik echt de drang nu om naar de wc te gaan. Stel er gebeuren ongelukjes daar joh en je moet nodig pissen en je verdwaalt.quote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 18:08 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:
Wat een oerlelijk gebouw.
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Dat hele complex ziet er uit als één grote badkamer
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Zo, laat het nieuws maar komen. Als het goed is zijn ze 8 minuten geleden begonnen.
Ik zou gek worden met al die reflecties. Telkens het gevoel dat je elk moment tegen een glazen plaat aan kunt lopen ofzo.quote:Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 18:08 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:
Wat een oerlelijk gebouw.
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Dat hele complex ziet er uit als één grote badkamer
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Zo, laat het nieuws maar komen. Als het goed is zijn ze 8 minuten geleden begonnen.
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