Oorlog in Libië #117 Libië wil Gadaffi terug

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The Fight for Benghazi Heats Up

OCTOBER 15, 2014 - 06:59 PM Two government officials in Cairo anonymously declared today that Egyptian warplanes have been bombing Islamist militias in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi. Shortly after that the spokesperson for the Egyptian presidency dismissed the reports as false. Just to make matters even more complicated, some reports are claiming that the planes in question are being flown by Libyan pilots.

The reports of airstrikes come not long after a new bout of fighting broke out in Benghazi earlier today. The clashes started a few hours after a televised statement by ex-general Khalifa Haftar in which he vowed to capture the city from a coalition of Islamist groups called The Benghazi Shura Revolutionaries Council, which is dominated by the extremist group Ansar al-Sharia. Both sides are deploying artillery and other heavy weapons in the fighting. (So far airstrikes are being conducted only by Libyan air force units loyal to Haftar, with possible support from sympathizers in Egypt and elsewhere; the Benghazi Islamists have no air power.)

The city of Benghazi, Libya's second largest, has endured a two-year assassination campaign targeting army and police personnel as well as judges, journalists, and civilian activists. Many Libyans blame the attacks on extremist Islamist groups. The Libyan authorities have been unable to establish control in the city and its people have become correspondingly disillusioned with government institutions. Last May, General Haftar decided to seize the initiative by deploying units of the National Army in a military offensive against the militias in the city. His efforts have met with widespread support across the country. Within eastern Libya, the main tribes and several cities have contributed both money and fighters. As a result, Haftar's campaign became the most serious challenge to the power of the militias in eastern Libya since the 2011 revolution. For the last few months, Haftar's "Operation Dignity" campaign has mainly conducted air strikes against Islamist militias targets in Benghazi and Derna. The five-month-long operation appears to have had a significant effect on the militias' sources of supply, cutting off smuggling routes and destroying arms and ammunition depots.

In his televised statement on Tuesday night, Haftar declared the start of a new attempt, which he called "Operation Benghazi," to seize control from the militias. "In the coming hours the national army will start a military operation to liberate the city of Benghazi from terrorist groups," the general said. He promised that "liberating" Benghazi would mark the end of his military career. Ansar al-Sharia responded by quickly issuing a statement vowing to fight back and warning anyone who might consider taking part in the operation. Indeed, Ansar al-Sharia carried out an apparent suicide attack against a military barracks shortly after their statement. (The photo above shows members of the Libyan Red Crescent removing the body of a man killed in the fighting in Benghazi earlier today.)

General Haftar's announcement came as an embarrassment to both the Libyan government and the recently elected parliament, which is currently based in the city of Tobruk. Members of parliament I spoke with today declined to endorse Haftar's action and instead opted for vague statements of support for the people of Benghazi and the army. It remains unclear if this recent military offensive was authorized by the army's chief of staff and if there was any coordination between him and Haftar.

Prime Minister Abdul al-Thini said during a TV interview this afternoon that "we will fight those who fight us and those who do not recognize the democratic process in Libya." Al-Thini's remarks seemed to imply government support for Operation Benghazi: "We offer our appreciation to the sons of the military establishment and the sons of Benghazi who are battling the terrorist groups that took refuge in the city." Army Chief of Staff Abdul Razaq al-Nadori, who was recently appointed to the job by parliament, has yet to make a statement. Al-Nadori played a prominent role in Haftar's earlier campaign against the militias. The Libyan government issued a vague statement of its own about the latest developments, declaring its support for the action of Benghazi's people against "terrorist groups" while calling for restraint and urging medical facilities to prepare for possible casualties.

The House of Representatives has remained silent. Parliamentary spokesman Farag Bo Hashim posted an "offer of prayers and support for the national army in Benghazi" on his personal Facebook page. When I contacted him by phone, Bo Hashim told me that "what is happening in Benghazi is a popular movement, and we support the people of Benghazi."

The battle for Benghazi is an integral part of the broader struggle for power and resources under way among various factions in the country today. According to the country's Interim Constitutional Declaration (the political road map for the transitional phase), the House of Representatives was supposed to convene in Benghazi after its election earlier this year. But the dire security situation meant that it had to move to Tobruk. The decision to convene in Tobruk is being contested in Libya's Supreme Court by Islamists and some members of parliament from the city of Misrata who are boycotting the assembly. Both groups say the session in Tobruk is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court is set to deliver its verdict on the matter on Oct. 20.

Power on the ground in Libya is now more or less divided between two sides. Tripoli, the capital, is under the control of a coalition of Islamist fighters and Misrata militias that have established their own government there. They are opposed by the democratically elected and internationally recognized House of Representatives and the official Libyan central government (which is currently residing in the city of al-Baida). If Haftar's forces can capture Benghazi, that would put parliament and the government in a stronger position. But that looks unlikely. This latest push to capture Benghazi probably won't result in a dramatic change on the ground after months of stalemate. Among other issues, the Islamist militias are taking refuge in residential areas, making it difficult for Operation Dignity forces to take full control of the city of the city.

Those mysterious airstrikes remain the subject of widespread speculation. The Libyan parliament has also dismissed the reports of the strikes as "unfounded." Parliamentary spokesman Bo Hashim told me that "only Libyans are involved in the fight against extremist militias in Libya." But even if he's right, the direct or indirect involvement of neighboring Egypt and other regional actors such as the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, or Turkey, is already complicating matters in Libya significantly. Among other things it could potentially endanger the dialogue initiative currently being led by the United Nations Support Mission in Libya (UNSMIL). In the worst-case scenario, it could lead to a prolonged regional proxy war in Libya, something like the civil war in Lebanon in the 1970s and 80s. The prospect is horrifying, but unfortunately it can't be entirely dismissed. Perhaps considering the magnitude of the stakes will help to focus the minds of those involved before it's too late.

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Op maandag 20 oktober 2014 15:14 schreef Weltschmerz het volgende:

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Ik heb tot op heden weinig verantwoordelijkheidsbesef kunnen bespeuren bij de humanitaire bommengooiers van toen. Het is ook niet zo dat ze tot verantwoording worden geroepen door kritische media of zo. Een ingrijpen zal dan ook afhankelijk zijn van directe belangen die in het geding zijn.

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Op vrijdag 24 oktober 2014 16:12 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:

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Het lijkt mij een beter idee om landen zoals Noord-Soedan, Qatar en Saoedie-Arabië tot verantwoording te roepen, zodat ze eens ophouden met stoken.

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Op zaterdag 25 oktober 2014 11:19 schreef Weltschmerz het volgende:

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Wie heeft ook alweer met de luchtmacht gezorgd voor de val van Khadaffi?

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Toen waren de leugens van de Quatarese staatszender zeer welkom, maar de daders kwamen toch echt uit het Westen.

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Op vrijdag 14 november 2014 13:07 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:
Enkele kaarten die de recente ontwikkelingen in Benghazi laten zien.

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Het schijnt dat het Libische leger nu ook is begonnen met het omsingelen van Derna.

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Op vrijdag 14 november 2014 13:10 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Het leger maakt dus progressie, dat is goed nieuws.

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A Way Out for Libya

The Libyan quagmire has worsened. Last week, the country’s Supreme Court compromised the standing of portions of the elections law that led to the instituting of Libya’s elected parliament, the House of Representatives. Much controversy surrounded the vague decision and the circumstances in which it took place, exacerbating tensions between forces aligned with the Tobruk-based House and those aligned with the Islamist-backed Tripoli-based Operation Dawn alliance. The two sides have engaged in a violent power struggle for the future of Libya. The decision puts the international community in an awkward position, given its recognition of the House as the country’s legitimate government.

This development comes as Libya faces increased attacks from radical armed groups. Ansar al-Shari’a and its allies in Benghazi are currently engaged in hostilities with other residents and forces loyal to the elected parliament. The alignment of hardline elements in the Dawn coalition with the alliance in Benghazi—which includes extremists such as Ansar al-Shari’a—is particularly worrisome. Meanwhile in Derna, many radical Islamists have also sworn allegiance to the Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS).

Libya needs an internationally assisted roadmap to lead it out of this disaster and bring about national consensus, in order to allow the country to combat the radical security threats it faces, and begin the reconstruction process. This roadmap should include the following elements:

1. The United Nations Support Mission in Libya (UNSMIL) should pursue with full force the mediation process brokered by the UN Special Envoy, with full support from all international actors.

2. A national unity government composed of elements supported by the House of Representatives and moderate factions aligned with Tripoli should be formed. A national partner for this part of the process may include the Constitutional Assembly, which faces no legal quandary. This government should be headed by an interim prime minister. Parties that pose a liability to the formation of this government, including Khalifa Haftar on the House’s side, and Abdel Hakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, should leave the political scene.

3. All militias should be disarmed or integrated into the Libyan National Army, which should immediately work to establish nationwide security. The Libyan National Army should expel radical forces from Benghazi and Derna, and should implement immediate security sector reform, applicable to all Libyan security forces. This cannot be overestimated as crucial.

4. An interim national constitution should be approved by the constitutional assembly as soon as possible. This constitution should define presidential and parliamentary powers.

5. Elections for a head of state and the parliament should be held simultaneously. Elections should incorporate transferable voting to provide officials the widest possible mandate.

6. A new national unity government should be formed following elections. This government would work with the constitutional assembly to create a permanent constitution.

The international community is critical to this entire process—particularly the United Nations and the UN Support Mission to Libya, headed by Bernardino Leon, who has proven apt at building alliances. The role of a prime minister who can maintain unity is likewise vital.

Libya is far too fragile to withstand internal and external pressures. All regional and international actors involved must support the UN initiative without covertly interfering with Libya. The UN Security Council and its member states must support this initiative and empower the process with all means at their disposal.

This is a very delicate time, and the opportunity to initiate positive change before Libya goes beyond the brink is shrinking fast. Libya can recover and rebuild, or it can go over the precipice. The choice must be made now.

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Op zaterdag 25 oktober 2014 13:55 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:

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Khadaffi met zijn eigen luchtmacht toen hij steden begon te bombarderen.

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borzou twitterde op donderdag 27-11-2014 om 11:13:52 Extremist militias (including one embraced by #Libya Dawn "govt") unleash "reign of terror" in Derna, reports @hrw http://t.co/QQEtMcZk5y reageer retweet

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dovenews twitterde op zaterdag 29-11-2014 om 02:30:10 Libya's former General, Haftar, said Friday he has given himself two weeks to take Benghazi & three months to recapture the capital Tripoli. reageer retweet

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Eljarh twitterde op zondag 30-11-2014 om 15:23:51 More visits from Gov officials &HoR members to war stricken #Benghazi as Army continues its push against "pockets" of resistance. #Libya reageer retweet

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Morning_LY twitterde op maandag 01-12-2014 om 01:28:38 The #Libya-n National Army in #Benghazi rescued y'day a Canadian man trapped behind #AnsaralSharia lines for 12 days. http://t.co/svcWq79mLp reageer retweet

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FlorianNeuhof twitterde op maandag 01-12-2014 om 13:43:50 #Libya 's elected gov moots new NOC & Central Bank to win battle for legitimacy & gain resources to fight Islamists. http://t.co/wMAWKo6Lu9 reageer retweet

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Op zondag 16 november 2014 14:32 schreef JaJammerJan het volgende:

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Dat deed hij pas toen Nederland chemische wapens gebruikte in Tripoli.

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Op maandag 1 december 2014 20:54 schreef koosfransoos het volgende:
Aan welke kant staan Misrata/Tripoli nou eigenlijk?

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Op maandag 1 december 2014 20:54 schreef Gulmez het volgende:
is tripoli al veilig genoeg er heen te reizen?

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Op maandag 1 december 2014 20:09 schreef JCats het volgende:
Muammar Gaddafi inherited one of the poorest nations in Africa . However, by the time he was assassinated, Libya was unquestionably Africa 's most prosperous nation. Libya had the highest GDP per capita and life expectancy in Africa and less people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands . Libyans did not only enjoy free health care and free education, they also enjoyed free electricity and interest free loans. The price of petrol was around $0.14 per liter and 40 loaves of bread cost just $0.15. Consequently, the UN designated Libya the 53rd highest in the world in human development.

http://www.countercurrents.org/chengu120113.htm

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2014 15:57 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:

Myths of the Gaddafi regime Explained

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2014 17:58 schreef Weltschmerz het volgende:

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Dat stuk slaat evenmin nergens op.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2014 15:57 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:

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Tripoli is met geweld overgenomen door de Fajr alliantie(Libya Dawn). Een bondgenootschap van verschillende islamistische milities en partijen, met name het moslimbroederschap. Misrata is leidend in het bondgenootschap. In Tripoli heeft Libya Dawn inmiddels een soort rivaliserende overheid opgezet met haar eigen parlement, ministeries etc.

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Reizen naar Tripoli worden sterk afgeraden en ook wel terecht. Tripoli is inmiddels weer redelijk stabiel en 'genormaliseerd' maar dat komt omdat Dawn de stad in zijn geheel heeft overgenomen. Libya Dawn is nu ook een campagne begonnen van intimidatie, ontvoering en zelfs moord op politieke tegenstanders. Dus nee echt veilig wil ik het niet noemen. Bovendien heeft het leger(olv Haftar) aangekondigd in drie maanden de stad te willen heroveren. Gezien het leger momentum heeft acht ik de kans groot dat er weer gevochten gaat worden in de stad.

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Myths of the Gaddafi regime Explained

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2014 19:15 schreef Gulmez het volgende:

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Bedankt voor deze bijdragen erg interessant
De militie die er zit , is wel minder radicaal als IS en Boko haram nee ik aan? Want zoals je had vermeld had je verteld dat het op dit moment redelijk rustiger is qua geweld.

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En over isis is er dagelijks nieuws en over Libie hoor je echt weinig in de NL media

iig bedankt, ik ken iemand die er woont, jaren geen contact mee gehad en maak me wel zorgen,

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VS houdt mogelijk trainingskamp IS in Libië in de gaten

Het Amerikaanse leger houdt in Libië een trainingskamp van Islamitische Staat (IS) in de gaten. Daar traint de terreurgroep een paar honderd strijders.

Dat heeft de bevelhebber van het Amerikaanse leger in Afrika woensdag gezegd.

Volgens generaal David Rodriguez is het niet duidelijk hoe nauw de banden van de getrainde strijders zijn met IS en of het kamp een doelwit moet zijn van het Amerikaanse leger.

Hij heeft daarom nog geen opdracht gegeven om het kamp te bestoken. ''We houden het nauwlettend in de gaten om te zien hoe het zich ontwikkelt'', zei Rodriguez. Volgens de generaal zijn de activiteiten nog in opstartfase.

_{Door: ANP}

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LibyaAlHurraTV twitterde op donderdag 04-12-2014 om 13:45:31 Al-Qaeda leader in Libya detained in Turkeyhttp://t.co/ea8rSzzSV3 reageer retweet

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Eljarh twitterde op donderdag 04-12-2014 om 13:21:14 Turkish authorities arrest AQ leader in #Libya Abdul Basit Azouz (from #Derna) in co-ordination with the CIA. reageer retweet

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Eljarh twitterde op donderdag 04-12-2014 om 12:49:51 #Libya's Gov starting to establish control in #Benghazi, MoI in the city to stand on the plans to secure the city after months of fighting. reageer retweet

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Eljarh twitterde op donderdag 04-12-2014 om 12:55:54 Gov officials are visiting #Benghazi regularly as the Army Units continue to consolidate their gains and advances in the city. #Libya reageer retweet

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Eljarh twitterde op donderdag 04-12-2014 om 12:57:45 Some #Benghazi families have started returning to the city after months of fierce fighting. #Libya reageer retweet

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Eljarh twitterde op donderdag 04-12-2014 om 13:09:30 After many months of targeted bombings, forced closures police stations in the city of #Benghazi are resuming service. #Libya reageer retweet

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US expresses fears as Isis takes control of northern Libyan town

_{Saturday 6 December 2014 13.00 GMT}

It is a warm October evening in Derna, a small town on Libya’s north east coast, 450 miles from the capital, Tripoli.

The main square is packed with young men, brought by a summons from the town’s self-proclaimed emir to swear allegiance to a newly formed Islamic caliphate.

The emir, on a stage just visible through the jumping throng, calls for the crowd to repeat his calls to join the a caliphate, to listen and follow orders, and to acclaim that the Islamic State (Isis) is here to stay.

To each call, they repeat the chant, roaring their support – and with that, the emir declares Derna the first town in Libya to join the Islamic State, making common cause with fighters in Iraq and Syria.

This week, the Pentagon went public with its concerns, when the commander of the US army’s Africa Command told reporters that Isis – also known as Isil – is now running training camps in Libya, where as many as 200 fighters are receiving instruction.

“Isil has begun its efforts over in the east out there,” said General David Rodriguez. “It’s mainly about people coming for training and logistics support right now.”

Isis units recently staged a show of force in Derna, with 60 jeeps packed with black-clad fighters parading around the town.

Their leader, or emir, is Saudi preacher Abu al-Baraa el-Azdi, who arrived from abroad in September. Backing him up are two to three hundred fighters, mostly Libyans, with combat experience in Syria. Under their control, Derna is being cleared of opponents, with a string of assassinations of judges, government officials and activists.

In November the severed heads of three young activists were discovered in the town. El Azdi has set himself up as Derna’s supreme judge in the requisitioned courthouse, dispensing executions and floggings.

The floggings are carried out on a raised platform outside the courthouse, the executions by balaclava-wearing men in the football stadium. Police cars sport the Isis logo, black flags hang from buildings and at night blue neon signs flash the Isis message from shops and lampposts, according to local sources.

Schools have been ordered to separate male and female pupils and shops forbidden from displaying clothes on female mannequins.

“Everyone is nervous of them, there were protests but nobody wants to protest now,” said one man whose family recently fled the city.

The US has stepped up surveillance in recent days, with drones and electronic surveillance planes based in Italy making constant flights. Officials worry about Isis leaping beyond its present confines in Iraq and Syria, with Libya a tempting target, rich in oil and close to Europe’s southern shores.

As in Iraq and Syria, Libya’s chaos may prove the greatest asset for Isis to grow. Militia infighting which plagued the country since the 2011 revolution that overthrew Muammar Gaddafi exploded into open war in the summer.

The country now has two governments; one of rebels in Tripoli, the other having fled to the east.

US officials caution that Libya’s Isis may be a “copycat” operation rather than being directed by Isis commanders in Iraq and Syria, but some terrorist experts say the distinction is false, because Isis works as a “franchise”, exporting leaders to create fresh enclaves.

“In places like Yemen, Libya, their intention is to get as many groups around the world to swear allegiance,” said Peter Newman, professor of security studies at King’s College London.

“It’s the ‘oil spill’ strategy. They form enclaves, then they grow and connect together.”

Derna has a long history of jihadist resistance. In the 1990s, its young men flocked to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, which battled the Gaddafi regime in the nearby Green Mountain.

Defeated by government troops, the group’s members fled to Afghanistan and Iraq. US forces seized a register of al-Qaida’s foreign fighters in Iraq in 2006, the subsequent report saying that no town in the world supplied more foreign fighters, per head of population, than Derna.

Within Derna, Isis has vanquished militias from al-Qaida and the Islamist Abu Salim Martyrs Brigade. The biggest problem it faces in spreading beyond Derna may be winning over a population at present in a state of fear.

“It will be a challenge for Isis to show they can rule. That’s the downside of running a state: with power comes responsibility,” said Newman.

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West's action in Libya in 2011 was a 'mistake' - Italy's foreign ministry

Western countries made a 'mistake' three years ago, when they intervened in Libya to overthrow the Gaddafi regime, according to Italian Minister of Foreign Affairs. The statement came amid reports of the US discussing airstrikes on Libya's territory.

"Three years ago we might have made a mistake, when international forces interfered without thinking through the scenario, what will happen afterwards. Italian voice was too weak," Italy's Minister of Foreign Affairs Paolo Gentiloni said in a TV interview with national broadcaster RAI, as quoted by Tass news agency.

While meeting international journalists on Friday, the minister said that stabilizing the situation in Libya - which at the moment is an uncontrollable land of "chaos" - and in the whole Mediterranean region was a key priority of Italy's foreign policy.

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Op zaterdag 6 december 2014 22:53 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Is ook kut natuurlijk, al die vluchtelingen die maar blijven komen. Dat hadden ze niet ingecalculeerd.

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Op zondag 7 december 2014 09:36 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Berlusconi had voor zijn "vriend" Khadaffi moeten opkomen en op zijn minst de NAVO moeten verbieden van Italiaanse bases gebruik te maken.. Wat dat betreft is hij een echte naaibal gebleken. Nu werden nota bene vanuit Italiaans grondgebied de illegale navo bombardementen gecoordineerd en uitgevoerd. Een grof schandaal! Dat Italië zure vruchten van deze interventie zou gaan plukken kon je van mijlenver zien aankomen. Khadaffi had ook regelmatig gewaarschuwd voor stammenstrijd, anarchie en burgeroorlog door deze interventie en de vluchtelingenstromen die daardoor zouden ontstaan,

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Op zondag 7 december 2014 11:07 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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De bombardementen waren legaal. De resolutie tegen het regime van Ghaddafi ging buitengewoon ver. Ook een grond-invasie was legaal geweest. Alleen een bezettingsmacht mocht niet.

Dus jij bent een fan van de corrupte minderjarige-hoertjes neukende Berlusconi? Dat heeft ie gemeen met de familie Ghaddafi. Ghaddafi had Bosnische wees-meisje opgevangen om te kunnen laten misbruiken door zijn zoons en zakenrelaties.

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Op zondag 7 december 2014 12:02 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:
De bombardementen waren niet legaal, de resolutie is als dekmantel gebruikt om regime change te bewerkstelligen.

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Als het om het beschermen van de bevolking zou hebben gegaan, zou men juist ook de rebellen gebombardeerd hebben en had men het regime geholpen de gewelddadige opstand te beteugelen.

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Op zondag 7 december 2014 12:04 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Dekmantel? De resolutie maakt de bombardementen legaal

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Als men nog eerder was begonnen hadden ze ongewapende demonstranten kunnen bombarderen om de revolutie te voorkomen.

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Op zondag 7 december 2014 12:04 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Als men nog eerder was begonnen hadden ze ongewapende demonstranten kunnen bombarderen om de revolutie te voorkomen.

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Crowds were armed with petrol bombs and threw stones. Marchers hurled Molotov cocktails in a downtown square in Benghazi, damaging cars, blocking roads, and hurling rocks. Police responded to crowds with tear gas, water cannon, and rubber bullets.[114] 38 people were injured, among them ten security personnel.

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In Zawiya and Zintan, hundreds of protesters in each town called for an end to the Gaddafi government and set fire to police and security buildings

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Protesters torched a number of government buildings, including a police station.[122][123] In Tripoli, television and public radio stations had been sacked, and protesters set fire to security buildings, Revolutionary Committee offices, the interior ministry building, and the People's Hall.[124][125]

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Op zondag 7 december 2014 17:13 schreef JaJammerJan het volgende:
Wat een propaganda weer, ik had beter verwacht van jou.

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Op zondag 7 december 2014 18:26 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Dit was precies wat ik verwachtte van jou.

Je geeft dus toe dat het niet begon met gewapende rebellen, maar met demonstrerende burgers.

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Dat er geweld was is nog geen reden om meteen een burgeroorlog te starten en 10.000 mensen op te sluiten, martelen en vermoorden.

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Op zondag 7 december 2014 18:58 schreef JaJammerJan het volgende:
Nou daar zijn we het dan niet over eens. Zodra je politiebureau's in brand begint te steken, molotov cocktails op beveiliging te gooien, overheidsgebouwen in brand begint te steken, dan is naar mijn mening geoorloofd om met scherp te schieten.

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Op zondag 7 december 2014 19:17 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Vertel ze dat maar eens in Ferguson.
NWS / Rellen na dood zwarte jongen VS #5 Met een liegende prosecutor

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The Mission heard consistent, credible reports of live ammunition being used to
disperse and suppress peaceful protests. The excessive force utilised appears to have
initially involved small arms fire, for example from Kalashnikov assault rifles, but to
have rapidly escalated to include heavy weapons such as heavy machine guns, and
anti-aircraft guns. In Zawiya, commencing on 17 February 2011, running battles appear to have occurred between protestors camped in and around the mosque in the
main square of Zawiya, and Gaddafi forces who attacked protestors with anti-aircraft
and heavy machine guns.

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Nor, fortunately, can the regime unwrite the courageous reporting from the city last month by Sky News correspondent Alex Crawford and two of her colleagues, who saw regime forces firing on residential buildings and ambulances causing civilian deaths, with women and children among the injured.

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Found in SA … Libya’s trillions

The South African government and President Jacob Zuma have been caught in the middle of an international wrangle over as much as R2 trillion in US dollars as well as hundreds of tons of gold and at least six million carats of diamonds in assets belonging to the people of Libya.

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The Sunday Independent has seen official South African government documents which confirm that at least $179bn in US dollars is kept, illegally, in storage facilities across Gauteng.

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Libya’s Southern Rivalries

Rival factions in Libya have allied themselves with groups in the south, intensifying local conflicts and disrupting security in the border zone.

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Libyan army gears up for Derna assault.

Soldiers are slowly building up their presence to launch a ground offensive on the eastern Libyan city of Derna.

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Strijd maakt olie-export Libië onmogelijk

De Nationale Oliemaatschappij van Libië maakte zondag bekend dat het geen olie kan exporteren vanuit de havens Es Sider en Ras Lanuf, vanwege de burgeroorlog in het land.

Vanwege de strijd zal het concern ook op enkele velden stoppen met produceren.

Es Sider is de voornaamste exporthaven voor olie, Ras Lanuf is de op twee na grootste. Libië, dat over de grootste reserves op het Afrikaanse continent beschikt, produceert circa 800.000 vaten per dag. Dat is de helft van het niveau tijdens het 42-jarige bewind van Kadaffi, die in 2011 verdreven werd.

De voorlopige stop op de export en de productiebeperkingen kunnen de olieprijzen verder onder druk zetten. De prijzen van zowel Amerikaanse olie als die van Brentolie zijn sinds juni bijna gehalveerd.

_{Door: ANP}

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Op zondag 7 december 2014 22:51 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:

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http://www.independent.co(...)-zawiya-2263670.html

Ik denk wel dat dit voldoende zegt. En ik krijg onderhand wel genoeg van die hernieuwde pogingen die het optreden van het regime socialistisch paradijsje goedpraten.

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Op maandag 15 december 2014 01:41 schreef JaJammerJan het volgende:

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Ik denk dat dit inderdaad genoeg zegt. Die eerste bron is een grote grap. "De demonstraties waren allemaal vredig en er zijn helemaal geen politiebureau's en andere openbare gebouwen in brand gestoken. Er is helemaal niet met molotov cocktails naar beveiling gegooid. Nee ze begonnen zomaar met schieten on onbewapende vredige demonstranten!"

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- Propaganda bron.

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Die tweede bron is niet veelzeggend. Het was toen al oorlog en tuurlijk ga je op woonhuizen/ambulances schieten als de vijand daar gebruik van maakt om jou aan te vallen.

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Ik begin onderhand genoeg te krijgen van deze nog steeds doorgaande pogingen om het buitenlandse ingrijpen in Libië goed te praten. Zelfs nu de hele 'revolutie' tot een grote puinhoop in Libië heeft geleid, zelfs nu het duidelijk is dat er geen huurlingen waren, geen verkrachtingen, geen luchtaanvallen door Ghadaffi, geen aanwijzing dat er ergens een genocide heeft plaatsgevonden door Ghadaffi. Zelfs nu blijven mensen achter de keuze van het westen staan om morele redenen.

Is dit een grap?

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Op maandag 15 december 2014 16:06 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:

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Als ik jou was zou ik eens wat beter gaan lezen ipv de tekst uit het verband trekken.

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In a number of different locations, beginning on 15 February
2011, large numbers of peaceful protestors assembled to demonstrate against Colonel
Gaddafi’s rule and against the suppression of other protests. These peaceful protests
were met with escalating levels of violence

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Precies. Als. En het was duidelijk dat dat zooitje milities en huurlingen van Khadaffi niet bereidt was om dat onderscheid te maken. Of wil je beweren dat Crawford liegt?

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Nor, fortunately, can the regime unwrite the courageous reporting from the city last month by Sky News correspondent Alex Crawford and two of her colleagues, who saw regime forces firing on residential buildings and ambulances causing civilian deaths, with women and children among the injured.

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... En we zijn weer terug bij af. Bij het moment dat jij er weer voor kiest om liever in je droomwereld te zitten dan de keiharde feiten onder ogen te zien. Jammer jan.

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Op maandag 15 december 2014 01:41 schreef JaJammerJan het volgende:

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Ik begin onderhand genoeg te krijgen van deze nog steeds doorgaande pogingen om het buitenlandse ingrijpen in Libië goed te praten. Zelfs nu de hele 'revolutie' tot een grote puinhoop in Libië heeft geleid, zelfs nu het duidelijk is dat er geen huurlingen waren, geen verkrachtingen, geen luchtaanvallen door Ghadaffi, geen aanwijzing dat er ergens een genocide heeft plaatsgevonden door Ghadaffi. Zelfs nu blijven mensen achter de keuze van het westen staan om morele redenen.

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Op donderdag 4 december 2014 10:09 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Ja, platgooien die rommel voor het weer te laat is.

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Op maandag 15 december 2014 20:21 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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Ze gaan toch zeker hun vriendjes niet bombarderen.

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Op maandag 15 december 2014 20:24 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Wat droppen ze dan in Syrië, bloemen?