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Lijkt mij eerder wat machtsvertoon voor West Oekraine om te laten zien dat ze niet alleen zijn en wat garantie voor als het Azov bataljon o.i.d. toch besluit om zich tegen Kiev te keren.quote:Op zaterdag 13 september 2014 00:14 schreef agter het volgende:
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Vraag me ook af of Oekraïners daar wel specifiek voor opgeleid zijn, voor die tanks.
Maar het idee dat Duitsers wellicht slaags gaan raken met Russen, vind ik unheimlich. Vandaar m'n vraag.
Wat even, dat van die Duitsers was een grapje toch???quote:Op zaterdag 13 september 2014 00:20 schreef Nintex het volgende:
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Lijkt mij eerder wat machtsvertoon voor West Oekraine om te laten zien dat ze niet alleen zijn en wat garantie voor als het Azov bataljon o.i.d. toch besluit om zich tegen Kiev te keren.
Rapid Trident oefening begint volgende week(?) in West Oekraine.quote:
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Wat even, dat van die Duitsers was een grapje toch???
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Rapid Trident oefening begint volgende week(?) in West Oekraine.
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 22:08:28 First EU tightens sanctions on #Russia, then lets #Moscow hijack implementation of AA with #Ukraine. Stunned & angry. http://t.co/hpGDxvFMik reageer retweet
First EU tightens sanctions on twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 22:20:25 #Ukraine MFA comes up with an explanation of today's unexpected AA defeat in Brussels, hails it an act of #EU support http://t.co/fVk3u5gayP reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 22:30:06 #Ukraine deputy FM Danylo Lubkivsky resigns over delay in implementing AA, claims it sends wrong message to everyone, says he was blindsided reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 22:31:09 Deputy FM #Lubkivsky's emotional resignation letter https://t.co/h64VUnkYBQ reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 22:57:45 By delaying implementation of #Ukraine's AA with EU, Brussels shows it has well forgotten why #Maidan started & what its activists died for reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 23:18:16 As Ukraine protesters died on Kyiv streets, Crimea annexed, Donbass invaded, Brussels carried on thinking about Russia's interests. So weak reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op zaterdag 13-09-2014 om 00:28:17 My husband, who majored in history, called delay in implementing Ukraine's AA with EU the new Munich agreement. Dangerous if he's right reageer retweet
The view from nowhere.
Hoe moet ik dat laatste twitterbericht precies opvatten?quote:twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 22:08:28 First EU tightens sanctions on #Russia, then lets #Moscow hijack implementation of AA with #Ukraine. Stunned & angry. http://t.co/hpGDxvFMik reageer retweettwitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 22:20:25 #Ukraine MFA comes up with an explanation of today's unexpected AA defeat in Brussels, hails it an act of #EU support http://t.co/fVk3u5gayP reageer retweettwitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 22:30:06 #Ukraine deputy FM Danylo Lubkivsky resigns over delay in implementing AA, claims it sends wrong message to everyone, says he was blindsided reageer retweettwitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 22:31:09 Deputy FM #Lubkivsky's emotional resignation letter https://t.co/h64VUnkYBQ reageer retweettwitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 22:57:45 By delaying implementation of #Ukraine's AA with EU, Brussels shows it has well forgotten why #Maidan started & what its activists died for reageer retweettwitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 23:18:16 As Ukraine protesters died on Kyiv streets, Crimea annexed, Donbass invaded, Brussels carried on thinking about Russia's interests. So weak reageer retweettwitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op zaterdag 13-09-2014 om 00:28:17 My husband, who majored in history, called delay in implementing Ukraine's AA with EU the new Munich agreement. Dangerous if he's right reageer retweet
Tsjechoslowakije werd in 1938 gedeeltelijk 'weggegeven' aan Duitsland. Door Engeland en Frankrijk.quote:
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Hoe moet ik dat laatste twitterbericht precies opvatten?
Als ik me niet vergis.
Make my day!
Chamberlain, zwaaiend met het document, "peace in our time"...quote:
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Hoe moet ik dat laatste twitterbericht precies opvatten?
Een historische vergissing dus, al vind ik de vergelijking vergezocht.
De enige die toegevingen doet is de EU, voor Oekraine is het compromis eerder voordelig imo.
En waarom zou dat nu weer het geval zijn?quote:
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Tsjechoslowakije werd in 1938 gedeeltelijk 'weggegeven' aan Duitsland. Door Engeland en Frankrijk.
Als ik me niet vergis.
Sommigen zullen het daar kennelijk zo voelen.quote:
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En waarom zou dat nu weer het geval zijn?
Make my day!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasementquote:Appeasement in a political context is a diplomatic policy of making political or material concessions to an enemy power in order to avoid conflict.[1]
The term is most often applied to the foreign policy of the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain towards Nazi Germany between 1937 and 1939. His policies of avoiding war with Germany have been the subject of intense debate for seventy years among academics, politicians and diplomats.
Omdat hier ook wensen van de agressor ingewilligd worden. Maar verder dan dat gaat de vergelijking niet, voor Oekraine is het hoogstens van symbolische betekenis. Ze mogen nog steeds tax heffen op import van Europa, en Europa laat zelf z'n invoerbeperkingen vallen. Wat meer wil je nog.quote:
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En waarom zou dat nu weer het geval zijn?
Wordt redelijk wat geschoten met allerhande wapens nu in Donetsk zie (hoor) livefeed.
wow, knal dichtbij net
wow, knal dichtbij net
Wanneer is het nu eigenlijk officieel het einde van het staakt het vuren?quote:
Wordt redelijk wat geschoten met allerhande wapens nu in Donetsk zie (hoor) livefeed.
wow, knal dichtbij net
Is daar nog een bepaalde regel voor of?
Gewoon weer gaan knallen.quote:
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Wanneer is het nu eigenlijk officieel het einde van het staakt het vuren?
Is daar nog een bepaalde regel voor of?
Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz - Chrząszczyżewoszyce powiat Łękołody
Als één van beide partijen dat zegt.quote:
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Wanneer is het nu eigenlijk officieel het einde van het staakt het vuren?
Is daar nog een bepaalde regel voor of?
Aha, dus die gevechten zijn niet perse een einde van het staakt het vuren?quote:
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Als één van beide partijen dat zegt.
twitter:shaunwalker7 twitterde op vrijdag 12-09-2014 om 20:02:56 Barroso speech summary: trade Europe Europe values trade values values inspiration Europe Europe values trade values Europe Europe (etc) reageer retweet
Barroso speech summary: trade Europe Europe values trade values values inspiration Europe Europe values trade values Europe Europe (etc)
The view from nowhere.
Russia wins delay in EU-Ukraine trade pact
(Reuters) - The European Union and Ukraine agreed on Friday to delay the implementation of their free-trade pact until the end of next year in a concession to Russia, which had complained its industry would be hurt by the deal.
Russia and the West are bitterly at odds over Ukraine, and the European Union and United States both imposed new sanctions against Moscow on Friday over what they say is its military backing for separatist rebels in the east of the country. Russia, which denies involvement, said it would consider retaliating.
But postponing the entry into force of the trade deal helps address one of the issues at the heart of the crisis. Russia had threatened to slap import tariffs on Ukrainian goods from Nov. 1, arguing that the pact would squeeze it out of the Ukrainian market and provide a route for EU goods to flood into Russia.
The delay provides "breathing space to discuss whatever problem may arise, and then it will be up to the three parties concerned to see what they do after Jan. 1, 2016," EU Trade Commissioner Karel De Gucht told a news conference.
"I hope by then we come to a solution," he said after talks in Brussels with Russian Economy Minister Alexei Ulyukayev and Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin.
Ukraine will continue to enjoy privileged access to the EU market until that date, he said, but, in a concession by Brussels, it will not have to cut duties on imports from the EU in return.
Kiev had been concerned that allowing EU products more cheaply onto its market could undercut local goods, creating more problems for its weak economy.
The European and Ukrainian parliaments are expected to go ahead with ratification next week of the ambitious political and trade agreement that has been at the heart of months of upheaval in Ukraine.
Ukraine's then-President Viktor Yanukovich turned his back on signing the accord last November in favor of closer ties with Moscow, prompting months of street protests that eventually led to his fleeing the country.
Since the new Kiev government opted for closer ties with the EU rather than a Russia-led customs union, Moscow has annexed Ukraine's Crimea region, setting off the worst East-West crisis since the Cold War.
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De Gucht said addressing Russia's trade concerns was "part and parcel of a comprehensive peace process in Ukraine". As part of the agreement, Russia promised to continue to grant preferential trade treatment to Ukrainian products, he said.
(Reuters) - The European Union and Ukraine agreed on Friday to delay the implementation of their free-trade pact until the end of next year in a concession to Russia, which had complained its industry would be hurt by the deal.
Russia and the West are bitterly at odds over Ukraine, and the European Union and United States both imposed new sanctions against Moscow on Friday over what they say is its military backing for separatist rebels in the east of the country. Russia, which denies involvement, said it would consider retaliating.
But postponing the entry into force of the trade deal helps address one of the issues at the heart of the crisis. Russia had threatened to slap import tariffs on Ukrainian goods from Nov. 1, arguing that the pact would squeeze it out of the Ukrainian market and provide a route for EU goods to flood into Russia.
The delay provides "breathing space to discuss whatever problem may arise, and then it will be up to the three parties concerned to see what they do after Jan. 1, 2016," EU Trade Commissioner Karel De Gucht told a news conference.
"I hope by then we come to a solution," he said after talks in Brussels with Russian Economy Minister Alexei Ulyukayev and Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin.
Ukraine will continue to enjoy privileged access to the EU market until that date, he said, but, in a concession by Brussels, it will not have to cut duties on imports from the EU in return.
Kiev had been concerned that allowing EU products more cheaply onto its market could undercut local goods, creating more problems for its weak economy.
The European and Ukrainian parliaments are expected to go ahead with ratification next week of the ambitious political and trade agreement that has been at the heart of months of upheaval in Ukraine.
Ukraine's then-President Viktor Yanukovich turned his back on signing the accord last November in favor of closer ties with Moscow, prompting months of street protests that eventually led to his fleeing the country.
Since the new Kiev government opted for closer ties with the EU rather than a Russia-led customs union, Moscow has annexed Ukraine's Crimea region, setting off the worst East-West crisis since the Cold War.
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De Gucht said addressing Russia's trade concerns was "part and parcel of a comprehensive peace process in Ukraine". As part of the agreement, Russia promised to continue to grant preferential trade treatment to Ukrainian products, he said.
The view from nowhere.
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zaterdag 13-09-2014 om 00:51:34 #Breaking "People's Republic of Donetsk" give first infos on tonight's attack on #Donetsk airport from 3 directions. http://t.co/giJqxefOZn reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zaterdag 13-09-2014 om 00:52:43 Actually they say,they attacked from 2 directions - #Oktyabrsky and #Spartacus - but I added confirmed #Grad fire from #Donetsk city as well reageer retweet
Mwa, als Donetsk republic openlijk toegeeft dat ze het vliegveld van twee zijden aanvallen, ..quote:
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Aha, dus die gevechten zijn niet perse een einde van het staakt het vuren?
Afwachten wat Kiev morgen zegt...
Lekker dan......quote:
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Mwa, als Donetsk republic openlijk toegeeft dat ze het vliegveld van twee zijden aanvallen, ..
Afwachten wat Kiev morgen zegt...
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Meer automatisch vuur te horen nu, en mortieren. De strijd is begonnen...
twitter:AugmentedEther twitterde op zaterdag 13-09-2014 om 02:37:05 The coming purge of Russias 5th column #Russia #Ukraine https://t.co/oJUxv480HJ reageer retweet
The coming purge of Russias 5th column 
