Oorlog Oekraïne - Rusland #126

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 17:33 schreef Automatisch het volgende:
"Europa in oorlog met Rusland"

De Litouwse president Daila Gribauskaite vindt dat Rusland in oorlog is met Oekraïne en daardoor feitelijk ook met Europa. Ze zei dat bij aankomst op de EU-top in Brussel, waar ook de Oekraïense president Porosjenko zal spreken.

Gribauskaite wil dat de EU Oekraïne wapens levert. Ze vindt dat de EU Oekraïne moet helpen zich te verdedigen, omdat dit land volgens haar namens heel Europa vecht.
http://nos.nl/artikel/692783-europa-in-oorlog-met-rusland.html

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 17:39 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 17:39 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:
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Romanian President Basescu Calls For EU To Give Ukraine Weapons

Romania's HotNews reported yesterday that President Traian Basescu has has called on his fellow EU leaders to impose tougher sanctions on Russia, strengthen NATO's eastern flanks and provide weaponry for Ukraine:

President Traian Basescu said at at a meeting with Romanian ambassadors on Friday that a major escalation of Russian acts in favor of separatists in East Ukraine was obvious and that there was a risk that the balance turned in favor of the Russian Federation. He said that at the European Council on Saturday he would call for the strengthening of the sanctions already decided on Russia, in the financial, energy and military sectors.

Basescu also called on EU, NATO allies to start providing weapons to Ukrainain troops in order to counteract Russia's involvement with separatist militias in Eastern and South-Eastern Ukraine. He said democratic states should overcome the phase of stating their good intentions.

He also provided a view on Romania's position at the upcoming NATO summit in Wales, saying Romania will push for the strengthening of NATO's eastern borders, with an increased NATO presence in the Bleack Sea.

He did not clearly name Vladimir Putin when he said that "the ideas of a sick man who believes he can remake the Soviet areas of influence" must be discouraged. And Basescu said Romania did not face danger in a "rational manner", but it should prepare "for the irrational" as well.
An updated and more detailed report from today is available here (in Romanian).

http://www.interpretermag(...)-ukrainian-soldiers/

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 17:33 schreef Automatisch het volgende:
"Europa in oorlog met Rusland"

De Litouwse president Daila Gribauskaite vindt dat Rusland in oorlog is met Oekraïne en daardoor feitelijk ook met Europa. Ze zei dat bij aankomst op de EU-top in Brussel, waar ook de Oekraïense president Porosjenko zal spreken.

Gribauskaite wil dat de EU Oekraïne wapens levert. Ze vindt dat de EU Oekraïne moet helpen zich te verdedigen, omdat dit land volgens haar namens heel Europa vecht.
http://nos.nl/artikel/692783-europa-in-oorlog-met-rusland.html

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Mariupol Not Surrounded, But Situation Tense

15:48 (GMT)

The situation remains tense in Mariupol today, with Russian forces lying only 20 km away to the east, having seized Novoazovsk and the village of Bezymyonnoye.

Despite reports from separatist and Russian media yesterday that Mariupol had been surrounded from the north and west, journalists were able to travel around those areas freely, without encountering Russian or separatist fighters.

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MaloverjanBBC twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 15:51:52 За Олёновкой - блокпост под укр.флагом. Подъезжать, проезжать, снимать запрещено. В общем, дорога свободна, как и до вторжения у моря. reageer retweet

Outside Olyonovka, checkpoint with a Ukrainian flag. Not allowed to drive up or through, or to take photos. In general, the road is clear, as it was before the coastal invasion.

http://www.interpretermag(...)-ukrainian-soldiers/

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EU Preps Russia Sanctions as Ukraine Warns of Invasion

The European Union moved to slap tougher sanctions on Russia as Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said hundreds of foreign tanks are operating in his country and pleaded for EU help.

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EU leaders will say they’re ready to impose new sanctions on Russia, according to draft summit conclusions obtained by Bloomberg News. “Sanctions will certainly be strengthened,” French President Francois Hollande said today. Finland’s Prime Minister Alexander Stubb said he expects leaders to make a decision in principle and let European Commission officials work out concrete measures, as they’ve done on previous occasions.

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Steps could include banning syndicated loans to targeted Russian companies, tightening restrictions on debt-market financing and extending an arms embargo to existing military contracts, which would halt the sale of two French Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia for an estimated 1.2 billion euros ($1.6 billion), according to four European diplomats involved in the deliberations who requested anonymity to discuss them.

SWIFT Measures

Banning Russia from the Brussels-based Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, or SWIFT, the messaging system for most international money transfers, isn’t under consideration at this point, two European officials said. Yesterday, a British government official had said the U.K. will press EU leaders to consider blocking Russian access to the messaging system.

“We need militarily to support and send military materials to Ukraine,” Lithuanian Prime Minister Dalia Grybauskaite told reporters before the meeting. “Ukraine is fighting war on behalf of all Europe.”

Poroshenko called for military and technical assistance from the EU.

Barroso said that more than 1 billion euros in loans could be released to Ukraine in the coming months. This is part of the 11 billion euro package announced earlier.

“We are ready to consider further financial assistance should additional needs be identified by International Monetary Fund during its next review mission,” he said.

Fighting Spreads

As fighting intensifies in easternmost Ukraine, 28 Ukrainian soldiers withdrew from a rebel encirclement near Ilovaysk and the troop pullout from the area is continuing, the Interior Ministry in Kiev and Ukrainian military spokesman Andriy Lysenko said today.

Government forces destroyed five separatist military vehicles and six Grad multiple rocket launchers. A Ukrainian Su-25 ground attack plane was shot down by a Russian missile, the Defense Ministry said in a Facebook posting.

The death toll in the conflict is almost 2,600, the United Nations said. A total of 765 Ukrainian troops have been killed in the fighting, the government said. Seventy-five rebels have been killed in the past 24 hours, Lysenko said.

Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has called for parliament in Kiev to consider North Atlantic Treaty Organization membership to protect against Russia seizing more territory after its annexation of Crimea in April.

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen this week reaffirmed a 2008 Bucharest summit pledge that “Ukraine will become a member of NATO” if it so wishes and provided it fulfills the necessary criteria.

http://www.bloomberg.com/(...)rmy-pushed-back.html

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USNATO twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 17:54:17 Allied solidarity: Portuguese F-16 fighters arrive at Siauliai Air Base, Lithuania for NATO’s Baltic Air Policing http://t.co/P9Dunmm727 reageer retweet

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Five Things You Need to Know about Vella Gulf’s Time in the Black Sea

Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Jacob D. Moore, U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa/U.S. 6th Fleet Public Affairs

The Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Vella Gulf (CG 72) departed the Black Sea yesterday, after a series of engagements in support of Operation Atlantic Resolve. Here are five things you need to know about Vella Gulf’s time in the Black Sea:

1. This was Vella Gulf’s third time in the Black Sea. She first entered the Black Sea on May 23. She departed June 12, entered again July 7, and departed July 14 after participating in the Bulgarian-led exercise Breeze 2014. Her most recent period in the Black Sea began Aug. 6.

2. Vella Gulf’s port visits in the region included: Varna and Burgas, Bulgaria; Constanta, Romania (twice) and Batumi, Georgia. Sailors had the opportunity to explore the local cultures, conducted community service projects and hosted ship tours.

3. Vella Gulf has participated in numerous exercises with NATO allies and partners in the Black Sea since May. In addition to Breeze 2014, Vella Gulf conducted separate bilateral engagements with the Romanian navy’s frigate ROS Regina Maria (F 222) and the Turkish navy corvette TCG Büyükada (F-512), a division tactics exercise with the Turkish navy fast attack craft TCG Tuzla (P 1200) and participated in Romaian Navy Day, which involved landing a Romanian Navy SA-330 Puma helicopter on the flight deck. Vella Gulf also participated in a joint training exercise with the Georgian Coast Guard, following her departure from Batumi.

4. Vella Gulf hosted distinguished visitors including U.S. Secretary of Defense, Chuck Hagel, and Georgian Prime Minister, Irakli Garibashvili.

Hagel, while speaking to Sailors over the ship’s 1MC, June 5 in Constanta, said: "I want to thank all of you, especially with what you're doing on this mission particularly. As we partner with Romania and the rest of our NATO allies, I want all of you to know that I am proud of you, and the President of the United States is proud of you."

Garibashvili, in his speech to the crew in Batumi, said: "Partnership with the United States of America is one of the top priorities in our country's foreign policy. We prize the U.S. support of Georgia's sovereignty, territorial integrity, democratic development, and integration into European and Euro-Atlantic institutions. The friendship and support of America is of utmost importance to us.”

5. Vella Gulf and the U.S. Navy’s presence in the Black Sea represents efforts by the United States to reaffirm its commitment to strengthening ties with NATO allies and partners, while working toward mutual goals of promoting peace and stability in the region.

"It is important to support and reassure our partners, we hope our presence in the Black Sea continues to strengthen those bonds," said Vella Gulf's Commanding Officer Capt. Robert Katz.

http://www.c6f.navy.mil/1(...)ea.html#.VAH2A2d02Uk

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NAVEUR_NAVAF twitterde op vrijdag 29-08-2014 om 22:29:16 #DYK #USSVellaGulf participated in numerous exercises @NATO allies in #BlackSea http://t.co/CMFLWKWrHN http://t.co/5aACJ04RmC reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 17:45 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Ook Roemenië wil wapenleveranties:

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 17:58 schreef sturmpie het volgende:
als ik Oekraïne was, dan zou ik Rusland aanbieden het russisch talige deel te kopen.
probleem opgelost.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:04 schreef betyar het volgende:

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Gaat niet gebeuren:

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:13 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Onze Mark is een kei in handjes schudden dat zagen we ook tijdens de nucleaire top.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 17:40 schreef Automatisch het volgende:
Timosjenko wil referendum Oekraïne over NAVO

Joelia Timosjenko van de Oekraïense partij Batkivsjina (Vaderland) wil dat er gelijktijdig met de parlementsverkiezingen een referendum komt over het Oekraïense lidmaatschap van de NAVO. Dat zei ze zaterdag in de Oekraïense hoofdstad Kiev, meldde het Russische persbureau Interfax.

Timosjenko wil met het referendum het proces van aansluiting bij het militaire bondgenootschap in gang zetten. De parlementsverkiezingen worden 26 oktober gehouden. Begin september zal de Vaderlandpartij proberen 3 miljoen handtekeningen te verzamelen. Zonder die handtekeningen kan er geen referendum worden gehouden.

Uit het referendum moet blijken hoe de bevolking staat tegenover toenadering tot de NAVO. De Oekraïense premier Artseni Jatsenjoek liet eerder al weten voor lidmaatschap te zijn. De NAVO moet uiteindelijk zelf besluiten of Oekraïne kans heeft op lidmaatschap.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)aine-over-NAVO.dhtml

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:08 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:

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Daar zal Poetin niet mee instemmen

http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)rventiemacht___.html

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:15 schreef CafeRoker het volgende:

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zoiets als het verzekeren van een brandend huis..

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:16 schreef Tukker87 het volgende:

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Denk dat de bevolking daar wel graag bij de NAVO wil ;D

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:16 schreef Tukker87 het volgende:

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Denk dat de bevolking daar wel graag bij de NAVO wil ;D

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:07 schreef DeJori het volgende:
Vertaalde stranscriptie van het interview met Poetin in Kazachstan:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s705no?new_post=true

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I’ve noted that the transcripts in Russian and the translations in English are missing not only a lot of subtleties, but also actual text.

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NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen this week reaffirmed a 2008 Bucharest summit pledge that “Ukraine will become a member of NATO” if it so wishes and provided it fulfills the necessary criteria.

http://www.bloomberg.com/(...)rmy-pushed-back.html

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:19 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:

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ja lijkt me ook wel, en ik denk dat de NATO druk op zoek is naar excuses om deel te nemen, anders gaan de Balten er ook aan

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:18 schreef Repelsteeltju het volgende:

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Als je ze er van kan overtuigen dat het een eind aan de spanningen en burgeroorlog brengt. Maar ik betwijfel of de NAVO Oekraïne überhaupt als lid wil (ofwel kan) opnemen in de staat waarin het nu verkeert.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:21 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Ik zie niet meteen iets missen in de transcriptie van het Kremlin:
http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/22864

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- The most important thing is that this question was asked. Putin doesnt do unscripted events. The question is at an absolute minimum vetted and I think far more likely planted. It is rehearsed, as you can tell from the way the questioner formulates her thoughts. It is no accident at all that this question was asked publicly, to Putin, on national television. Note that when she shifts to the cardigan question she says And now something from me.
- She really does say, We have a proposal, we would like them to join. She doesnt say what Kazakhstan would join, but the only logical answer is Russia. Kazakhstan is already a member of the Customs Union and the Eurasian Union. It cant join them. The only thing it could join is Russia. I cannot overemphasize how shocking that is to hear at an official Putin event.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:08 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:

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Daar zal Poetin niet mee instemmen

http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)rventiemacht___.html

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:16 schreef Repelsteeltju het volgende:

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Waarom niet? Omdat hij niet wil betalen of omdat hij Oost-Oekraïne niet wil? De delen van Oost-Oekraïne die openlijk in opstand zijn tegen Kiev zijn kleiner dan de administratieve regio's waar ze deel van uitmaken. En waarschijnlijk kan hij gewoon betalen in voordelige gascontracten en staatsleningen.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:30 schreef sturmpie het volgende:

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waarom zal Poetin niet akkoord gaan ? als de prijs goed is, waarom niet ?

en als men een verkiezing houdt in Oost-Oekraïne, en als de meerderheid van de bevolking voor Rusland kiest, dan is het wel zo eerlijk om stappen te ondernemen om ze bij Rusland te laten horen.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:34 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Wacht, welke prijs?

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b_judah twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 18:38:12 Kazakhstan has announced it has the right to leave Russia's Customs Union. What would that mean, if it did? War? http://t.co/QDGj8GetZH reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:38 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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b_judah twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 18:38:12 Kazakhstan has announced it has the right to leave Russia's Customs Union. What would that mean, if it did? War? http://t.co/QDGj8GetZH reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:37 schreef bijdehand het volgende:

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Je reageert op iemand die niet op kwam dagen bij zijn eigen rechtszaak en boos is omdat dat in zijn nadeel werd gebruikt. Dit lag ook niet aan hem, maar aan de overheid. Het is een leuke troll, dat wel

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:39 schreef wunderbaum het volgende:

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Welkom bij de eu en navo

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:34 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Wacht, welke prijs?

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:37 schreef bijdehand het volgende:

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Je reageert op iemand die niet op kwam dagen bij zijn eigen rechtszaak en boos is omdat dat in zijn nadeel werd gebruikt. Dit lag ook niet aan hem, maar aan de overheid. Het is een leuke troll, dat wel

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:51 schreef sturmpie het volgende:

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dat is overeen te komen, met dat geld kan men zich bij de EU voegen.
welke prijs ? men kan uitgaan van de waarde aan hectares landbouwgrond.
het is misschien 50.000 km2 = 5 miljoen hectares. ik ken de waarde niet van hectares oekrainse landbouwgrond. de grond zal daar goedkoop zijn vergeleken met NL. dus laten we voor het gemak uitgaan van 5000 euro per hectare. dan komen we uit op 25 miljard euro. het is natuurlijk niet alleen landbouwgrond, dus ik denk aan 250 miljard euro voor het totaal.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:51 schreef sturmpie het volgende:

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dat is overeen te komen, met dat geld kan men zich bij de EU voegen.
welke prijs ? men kan uitgaan van de waarde aan hectares landbouwgrond.
het is misschien 50.000 km2 = 5 miljoen hectares. ik ken de waarde niet van hectares oekrainse landbouwgrond. de grond zal daar goedkoop zijn vergeleken met NL. dus laten we voor het gemak uitgaan van 5000 euro per hectare. dan komen we uit op 25 miljard euro. het is natuurlijk niet alleen landbouwgrond, dus ik denk aan 250 miljard euro voor het totaal.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:51 schreef sturmpie het volgende:

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dat is overeen te komen, met dat geld kan men zich bij de EU voegen.
welke prijs ? men kan uitgaan van de waarde aan hectares landbouwgrond.
het is misschien 50.000 km2 = 5 miljoen hectares. ik ken de waarde niet van hectares oekrainse landbouwgrond. de grond zal daar goedkoop zijn vergeleken met NL. dus laten we voor het gemak uitgaan van 5000 euro per hectare. dan komen we uit op 25 miljard euro. het is natuurlijk niet alleen landbouwgrond, dus ik denk aan 250 miljard euro voor het totaal.

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Ukraine crisis: Barroso warns Putin not to push EU to 'point of no return'

European commission president insists it isn't too late for a political solution but tells Russia not to underestimate the EU

Vladimir Putin has been warned that the crisis in Ukraine could be reaching the "point of no return" as European leaders said the EU was ready to defend its principles.

As the Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, claimed there were hundreds of Russian troops and thousands of Russian tanks operating inside his country, the outgoing European commission president, José Manuel Barroso, said: "We are in a very serious, I would say, dramatic situation … where we can reach the point of no return."

At a joint press conference with Poroshenko in Brussels on Saturday morning, Barroso said it was not too late to find a political solution to the crisis but warned: "If the escalation of the conflict continues, this point can come.

"Russia should not underestimate the European Union's will and resolve to stand by its principles and values."

David Cameron also held talks with Poroshenko in Brussels before a summit to decide on two top EU jobs. He said: "We have to address the completely unacceptable situation of having Russian troops on Ukraine soil. Consequences must follow if that situation continues and we will be discussing that as well."

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RT_com twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 16:53:19 Gorbachev on Kiev’s military op: 'It must be stopped immediately' http://t.co/lpLgN8ruWC #Ukraine http://t.co/M4U7RfX9Ql reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:56 schreef hmmmmmmm het volgende:

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Je moet denken aan een paar honderd dollar per hectare landbouwgrond.
100-200$ als je het in bulk wilt verkopen.
5000$ ga je daar niet krijgen.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:59 schreef sturmpie het volgende:

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grond is duur.
jouw prijzen geloof ik niet. dat zijn jaarlijkse pachtprijzen imo.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:57 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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http://www.theguardian.co(...)utin-point-no-return

De EU moet opletten dat het Rusland niet pusht tot het 'point of no return'
Sancties zijn ook acts of war.

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Poll: Russians say Aug 1991 events are tragedy, not triumph of democracy

A relative majority of Russians (41 percent) see the August 19, 1991, putsch in the former Soviet Union as a tragedy which had harmful implications for the country and its people. The number has grown 14 percent in the past 20 years, from 27 percent in 1994, the Levada Center pollster told Interfax, referring to a nationwide poll held in late July. The events are seen as a tragedy mostly by businessmen (52 percent), pensioners (48 percent), Russians older than 55 (49 percent), people with secondary education (46 percent), respondents with a low and high consumer status (46 percent in each category) and people in cities with a population less than 100,000 (51 percent). Some 36 percent described the August 1991 events as an episode in the struggle for power and their number has considerably reduced since 1994 (53 percent). This opinion is mostly shared by salaried workers (44 percent), the unemployed (43 percent), Russians younger than 25 (44 percent), people with less than secondary education (42 percent), people with a low consumer status who can afford only food and clothes (42 percent) and villagers (44 percent), the sociologists said. Effects of 1991 August Putsch still felt in Russia Effects of 1991 August Putsch still felt in Russia Only a few people (9 percent) insist that 1991 was the year of "victory of a democratic revolution which put an end to Communist Party rule." The opinion is mostly asserted by present-day executives and managers (22 percent), businessmen and specialists (17 percent in each category), Russians aged 25 to 40 (12 percent), people with higher education (14 percent), people with a high consumer status who can easily afford a car (21 percent) and Muscovites (33 percent). In the opinion of 74 percent of the respondents, the country took a wrong turn after the putsch. This was mostly said by businessmen (64 percent), salaried workers (55 percent), pensioners (54 percent), Russians older than 55 (55 percent), people with a low consumer status (50 percent) and people in cities with a population from 100,000 to 500,000 (58 percent). Twenty-seven percent of the respondents argued the opposite, and 26 percent were undecided. The political crisis of August 1991 was triggered by the attempt of some senior Soviet officials to disrupt the signing of a new union treaty. Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev was isolated in his Crimean residence for that purpose. Boris Yeltsin, then president of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, and other leaders of the Russian Federation headed the resistance to the attempted coup, which ended on August 22 with the arrest of the conspirators, one of whom, Interior Minister Boris Pugo, committed suicide. Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev declared his resignation from the position of the Soviet Communist Party Central Committee Secretary General and asked Central Committee members for voluntary dissolution of the Soviet Union on August 24, 1991.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:02 schreef hmmmmmmm het volgende:

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Klopt dat is mijn fout.
Ik geloof dat zo'n 800-1000$ de prijs is dat is wat de chinezen betaald hebben denk ik.

http://www.channel4.com/n(...)-investment-overseas

China is buying up to 3 million hectares of farmland in Ukraine, an area the size of Belgium.
The Kiev Post called it an "unprecedented foreign investment", estimated at more than $2.6bn.

Maar dat kan ook per jaar zijn is een beetje lastig te vinden wat nou de prijzen zijn.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:06 schreef Igen het volgende:

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Dat is per jaar ja.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:08 schreef sturmpie het volgende:

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ok
interessant !
dat is goedkoop, oekraïnse landbouwgrond is van goede kwaliteit over het algemeen.
in NL betaal je al gauw ¤50.000 per hectare landbouwgrond.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:05 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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http://rbth.com/news/2014(...)democracy_39129.html

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:06 schreef Igen het volgende:

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Dat is per jaar ja.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:38 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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b_judah twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 18:38:12 Kazakhstan has announced it has the right to leave Russia's Customs Union. What would that mean, if it did? War? http://t.co/QDGj8GetZH reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:14 schreef Igen het volgende:

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Andere nieuwsartikelen. Het is ook eerder in deze topicreeks al langsgekomen.

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cnnireport twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 16:40:24 Feeling threatened, Georgia protesters burn portraits of Putin http://t.co/0PIfvbePML http://t.co/wI6SLgu9Z8 reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:13 schreef Igen het volgende:

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Dat het vooral leeft onder arme laaggeschoolde plattelandsbewoners is toch een teken dat Poetin moet uitkijken dat hij zichzelf hiermee niet in de voet schiet. Want dat die naar vroeger terugverlangen betekent ook dat Poetin vooral de belangen van de maatschappelijke elite dient en niet genoeg 'brood en spelen' voor het hele volk biedt.

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The events are seen as a tragedy mostly by businessmen (52 percent), pensioners (48 percent), Russians older than 55 (49 percent), people with secondary education (46 percent), respondents with a low and high consumer status (46 percent in each category) and people in cities with a population less than 100,000 (51 percent).

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:23 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Tusk gaat president worden:
http://www.nu.nl/politiek(...)t-europese-unie.html

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:25 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Tusk is, mits hij zich verstaanbaar kan maken, een hardliner richting Rusland. Mogherini daarentegen is juist weer erg mild op z'n zachts gezegd.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:32 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Tusk is helemaal niets, ik hoop dat ze hem niet kiezen. Dat is een buikspreekpop van Obama.

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Ex-Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev has urged Kiev to bring their military operation in eastern regions to an end. Russia, he added, is doing the right thing by keeping away from interfering with the neighboring country, thus saving thousands of lives.

“It must be stopped immediately,” Gorbachev told RSN Radio, referring to Kiev’s “anti-terrorist” operation, launched in April this year in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Gorbachev cited UN figures on the conflict: as of August 13, over 2,000 people were killed there.

“They must do everything possible to stop murdering each other; it is one nation,” Gorbachev said. However, he warned that this should remain Ukraine’s own business.

“If [other] states get involved, the scope may widen and everyone would want a hand there – we may end up with a terrible slaughter in Europe,” he said. “We can’t afford it.”

Gorbachev also praised Russia’s policy of staying away from direct engagement, commenting on the accusations coming from the West that Moscow has started a “military intervention.”

“If our country intervenes, such a fire could break out that the whole world wouldn’t be able to put it out. And it is right that the politicians are upholding their position,” Gorbachev said.

Gorbachev also called on the UN, EU and the parties involved in the conflict to take concrete steps to resolve the crisis in Ukraine.

“Our proposal was to open corridors, to take people away from all those mousetraps. But no, no. Some prefer staying in warm offices and commenting from there. And what is happening to the people [in Ukraine] in the meantime – to kids, women? Maternity hospitals are being shelled, and schools and hospitals are being destroyed.”

Earlier this year, Gorbachev supported the results of the referendum, when Crimea decided to join Russia following a coup in Kiev that toppled President Viktor Yanukovich. “People want it, it means we have to meet their needs,” Gorbachev told Itar-Tass in March, referring to the referendum.

In January, Gorbachev, 83, also appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin and his US counterpart Barack Obama to resolve the conflict in Ukraine.

“It cannot be tolerated that Ukrainians fight with Ukrainians. It is an awful absurdity,” he wrote in a letter to both presidents, where he drew upon the example of his own family – both his mother and wife were of Ukrainian origin.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:32 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Weet jij niet nog een oud KGB'er die we kunnen voordragen?

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:33 schreef Igen het volgende:

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In het stukje "secondary education" wat je in contrast moet zien met universiteit, wat later wordt genoemd. En in het stukje "cities with a population less than 100.000". En trouwens ook in het stukje van "pensioners", en ook in "businessman" wat je in contrast moet zien met "executives and managers".

Het levert een plaatje op van mensen die veraf van "het gebeuren" zijn, die in een uitzichtloze situatie zitten en het gevoel hebben geen controle over hun eigen leven te hebben - dat dat de mensen zijn die het hardste terugverlangen naar de Sovjetunie en het communisme.

Dat terwijl Poetin nou juist zo populair is/was doordat hij i.t.t. Jeltsin ook voor de gewone man zei op te komen.

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Some 36 percent described the August 1991 events as an episode in the struggle for power and their number has considerably reduced since 1994 (53 percent). This opinion is mostly shared by salaried workers (44 percent), the unemployed (43 percent), Russians younger than 25 (44 percent), people with less than secondary education (42 percent), people with a low consumer status who can afford only food and clothes (42 percent) and villagers (44 percent), the sociologists said.

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http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/(...)n-tusk-en-mogherini/

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:43 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
Weet iemand nog wat Van Rompuy gedaan heeft tijdens z'n presidentschap? Het is een functie zonder inhoud, who cares wie ze heeft.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:46 schreef vigen98 het volgende:

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Waar heb jij het dan over? Die Italiaanse staat juist bekend dat ze voor Rusland is.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:35 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Ik zou graag frans Timmermans op die post zien. Veruit de beste persoon voor de EU. Hij kan ook naar Rusland een goede bemiddelende rol spelen, ondanks de taal die hij naar de buitenwereld laat horen, denk ik dat hij achter de schermen heel veel goed politiek werk zal kunnen verrichten. Bovendien is hij eigengereid en kiest hij zijn eigen koers.

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bopanc twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 19:44:52 #Merkel: I'm very happy that Tusk is the new council AND Eurogroup president, qualified and engaged and passionate European #EUCO reageer retweet

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BradCabana twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 19:20:17 SIT REP: #Ukraine army hold on the central and N front of #Donetsk city outskirts seems to be failing around airport and #Andiivka #cdnpoli reageer retweet

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BradCabana twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 19:41:36 SIT REP: NAF have established a checkpoint behind #Ukraine army lines N of #Debaltseve cutting off all their units S of #Holmivskyi #cdnpoli reageer retweet

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BradCabana twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 19:43:44 BREAKING SIT REP: There is no question,the NAF is trapping #Ukraine army at #Debaltseve and the entire N flank of #Gorlovka #cdnpoli reageer retweet

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BradCabana twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 19:48:47 SIT REP: There is a large battle ongoing just S of #Luhansk city where the NAF is trying to stop/destroy a #Ukraine army breakout #cdnpoli reageer retweet

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BradCabana twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 19:54:19 BREAKING SIT REP: NAF have recaptured #Lutugino S.W. of #Luhansk city. The highway to #KrasnyLuch is now clear. #cdnpoli #Ukraine reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:49 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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bopanc twitterde op zaterdag 30-08-2014 om 19:44:52 #Merkel: I'm very happy that Tusk is the new council AND Eurogroup president, qualified and engaged and passionate European #EUCO reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:59 schreef DeJori het volgende:
Ben ik de enige die bij Tusk altijd moet denken aan die kerel van House of Cards, Raymond Tusk?

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Poroshenko's promises he has failed to keep

It's been more than three months since the May 25 election in Ukraine, which propelled Petro Poroshenko to presidency in an unprecedented first-round victory.

Poroshenko made many promises during his extensive campaign trips, but has failed to keep many of them. It has not eroded his support so far, however. Some 57 percent of Ukrainians still support their president, according to the latest findings of the pollster Research&Branding Group published on Aug. 15.

Kyiv Post has revisited some of the election promises ahead of President Poroshenko's three months in power since the day of inauguration, which took place on June 7.

Promise: “I will nominate my team the day after inauguration”

Status: failed

On his campaign trail, Poroshenko was very secretive about the team he planned to work with, but never stopped repeating that he will nominate his team “the day after inauguration, possibly on the land of Donbas.”

But the first major appointments did not start till June 10, when Borys Lozhkin, Poroshenko's former business partner, was named chief of the president's administration.

Oleksiy Haran, a political expert and professor at Kyiv Mohyla Academy, says it's ok because the president “should spend some time trying to find out who will work out for him.” But the president has been taking his time filling key vacancies in the Cabinet, presidential administration and the National Security and Defense Council.

So far, he has failed to fill some key vacancies, the most prominent of which is the job of the National Security and Defense Council Secretary.

Poroshenko did make a number of appointments at the president's administration and appointed some members of the Cabinet that fall under his competence. Most prominently, he nominated Pavlo Klimkin as foreign minister and Valeriy Heletei as defense minister.

He also appointed Valeriya Gontareva, former Investment Capital Ukraine board chairperson, as Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU). Gontareva became the first woman in Ukraine's independent history to become a chief banker. One of EuroMaidan Revolution activists and volunteers, Yuriy Biryukov, also made it to presidential pool. He was appointed president’s advisor on Aug. 13.

Haran says that this time the president's administration “keeps a low profile, which is good – because it’s only a support service of the president.”
Kyiv Post+ provides special coverage of Russia's war against Ukraine and the aftermath of the EuroMaidan Revolution.

Promise: “Anti-terrorist operation cannot and will not last two or three months. It has to, and will, last hours.”

Status: failed

During his first press conference after the election vote on May 25, Poroshenko said that the anti-terrorist operation will last hours. It has been three months, and a new front just opened in the east of Ukraine as Russian soldiers crossed the border in the south of Donetsk Oblast and took over the town of Novoazovsk just days ago. Large chunks of Donetsk and Luhansk regions still remain under separatist control, while the death toll of Ukraine's army is running over 700. The United Nations said 2,200 civilians died in clashes.

The country’s anti-terrorist operation was initially announced in mid-April. During the five months of Russia’s aggression.

Haran, the professor at Kyiv Mohyla Academy, believes that the situation may have been different had Russia not decided to openly invade Ukraine. “Nobody expected then Russian government would send its (humanitarian) convoy to Ukraine and then keep sending its forces in Ukraine,” Haran explained.

Two weeks after the inauguration Poroshenko announced a unilateral ceasefire by the government forces as a part of a peace plan. The president was calling on Russia-backed insurgents to put down the arms. But during the 10-day ceasefire the casualties in Ukraine's army actually went up as militants opened fire at Ukrainian forces more than 108 times, killing at least 28 servicemen, according to official figures. They also shot down a Ukrainian military plane, and all 49 passengers of that plane died.

As of Aug. 28 armed insurgents backed by Russian regular troops keep the number of strategic cities, including Ilovaisk, Amvrosiivka, Starobesheve and Novoazovsk in Donetsk Oblast.

Promise: Full reboot of power

Status: partially fulfilled

The promise of a full reboot of power was one of the key points of Poroshenko's presidential program.

“I will provide a power reboot and make every effort within the constitutional powers and announce parliamentary elections by the end of 2014, based on the proportional representation of the political parties,” reads Poroshenko’s program.

After the Independence Day celebrations, Poroshenko announced that he set an early parliamentary election for Oct. 26. In his speech Poroshenko stressed he was issuing his decree “taking into account the expectations of the majority of Ukrainians and trying to keep my own word, which I gave while running for president.”

But the original promise was to conduct parliamentary elections based on new rules and a proportional system, where parties would create election lists of their candidates in a open and transparent manner.

However, the Oct. 26 vote will be based on the existing parallel system, where each resident gets two ballots to vote. One of the ballots will offer a list of parties, who will have created their lists of candidates behind closed doors. The other ballot will offer a list of candidates specific for each of the 226 majority constituencies in Ukraine. It's still unclear what will happen in the annexed Crimea and in the war zone in the east.

Promise: To sell business (except for Channel 5) in case of presidency

Status: pending

Poroshenko, the country’s 18th richest man, whose wealth Forbes estimates at $1.3 billion, this month has picked an agent to sell off his significant business assets. His interests will be represented by Rothschild & Cie Investment Company, according to Giovanni Salvetti, co-chairperson of the company, who spoke to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.

“We’re very delighted to be selected for this important mission (selling Poroshenko’s assets),” Salvetti said in a televised interview. He said that the company will team up with their Ukrainian counterparts, Investment Capital Ukraine and promised on Aug. 21 that “the effective work on selling (Poroshenko’s) business will start the next week.”

Investment Capital Ukraine is the company that used to be co-owned by Gontareva, the National Bank governor, before her appointment by Poroshenko on June 19. She had to sell her business assets after the appointment.

Apart from an international candy empire Roshen with a turnover of $1.021 billion last year, according to Candyindustry.com, a specialized website, Poroshenko owns assets in automobile, shipbuilding, real estate and agriculture. He also owns Channel 5, which he refuses to tell for sentimental reasons.

Promise: "All the soldiers will be paid Hr 1,000 per day starting May 26"

Status: failed

“The soldier of Ukraine will no longer be naked, barefoot and hungry. He has to be well paid, his life has to be insured,” Poroshenko said in his speech on election day.

He promised to make improvements of the Ukrainian army his top priority. He said he would raise what servicemen make from $50 a month to $83 a day, and that each volunteer would get a life insurance worth $83,000.

However, the soldiers who take part in the country’s unfolding anti-terrorist operation, still earn Hr 5,700 ($424) per month, according to the deputy Defense Minister Petro Mekhed.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:59 schreef DeJori het volgende:
Ben ik de enige die bij Tusk altijd moet denken aan die kerel van House of Cards, Raymond Tusk?

Fleetwood Mac - Tusk

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 20:04 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Ik denk altijd aan:

Fleetwood Mac - Tusk

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:09 schreef speknek het volgende:

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Verengid Rusland's nationalistische reveil werkt

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 20:25 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Tja, het omvallen van de sovietunie was toch ook een ramp van ongekende weerga. Voor Rusland is dit een enorm trauma, vergis je niet! Waarom zou iemand dit überhaupt als iets positiefs zien??

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 20:28 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Omdat de meeste mensen sterven van de honger in een communistische heilstaat niet zien als een fijn leven.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:34 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Wacht, welke prijs?

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 18:30 schreef sturmpie het volgende:

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waarom zal Poetin niet akkoord gaan ? als de prijs goed is, waarom niet ?

en als men een verkiezing houdt in Oost-Oekraïne, en als de meerderheid van de bevolking voor Rusland kiest, dan is het wel zo eerlijk om stappen te ondernemen om ze bij Rusland te laten horen.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 20:33 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Je kunt ook creperen in een westerse heilstaat zoals de VS, dat is niet aan een systeem gebonden. Het is maar hoe je het invult.

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za 30 aug 2014, 16:57
Timosjenko wil referendum Oekraïne over NAVO
KIEV - Joelia Timosjenko van de Oekraïense partij Batkivsjina (Vaderland) wil dat er gelijktijdig met de parlementsverkiezingen een referendum komt over het Oekraïense lidmaatschap van de NAVO.

Dat zei ze zaterdag in de Oekraïense hoofdstad Kiev, meldde het Russische persbureau Interfax.

Joelia Timosjenko, oud-premier van Oekraïne. Joelia Timosjenko, oud-premier van Oekraïne. Foto: AP

Timosjenko wil met het referendum het proces van aansluiting bij het militaire bondgenootschap in gang zetten. De parlementsverkiezingen worden 26 oktober gehouden. Begin september zal de Vaderlandpartij proberen 3 miljoen handtekeningen te verzamelen. Zonder die handtekeningen kan er geen referendum worden gehouden.

Uit het referendum moet blijken hoe de bevolking staat tegenover toenadering tot de NAVO. De Oekraïense premier Artseni Jatsenjoek liet eerder al weten voor lidmaatschap te zijn. De NAVO moet uiteindelijk zelf besluiten of Oekraïne kans heeft op lidmaatschap.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 20:33 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Je kunt ook creperen in een westerse heilstaat zoals de VS, dat is niet aan een systeem gebonden. Het is maar hoe je het invult.

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“When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with despair for the Soviet people,” Yeltsin wrote. “That such a potentially super-rich country as ours has been brought to a state of such poverty! It is terrible to think of it.”

Queue to first McDonalds in Moscow in 1990

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 20:36 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Ik ga hier even niet op in, omdat ik over 10 minuten klaar ben met 'werken' en dus geen tijd heb voor een discussie kapitalisme-communisme. Andere keer in POL oid

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De Poolse premier Donald Tusk (57) wordt de nieuwe EU-president

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 20:40 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Heb jij zo'n overbodige job waarmee men in het Oostblok voor 100% tewerkstelling zorgde?

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 19:24 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
The events are seen as a tragedy mostly by businessmen (52 percent), pensioners (48 percent), Russians older than 55 (49 percent), people with secondary education (46 percent), respondents with a low and high consumer status (46 percent in each category) and people in cities with a population less than 100,000 (51 percent).

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 20:39 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:
NAVO referendum

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1 minute ago
New "peaceful plan of Poroshenko" will be published next week

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 20:48 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Ze kunnen een referendum houden, maar de Navo zal het land toch niet toelaten.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 21:02 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
De nazi's zullen net als in de 2e wereld oorlog in heel europa op verzet kunnen rekenen.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2014 21:04 schreef bijdehand het volgende:

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Ja klopt. Kan je ook wel merken dat Europa de Russische nazi's niet zomaar accepteert

WATCH this to understand the level of Russia’s sickness.