Palestina en Israel #182

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 18:04 schreef Yasmin23 het volgende:

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Heb je dat ene filmpje gezien wat ik net kort beschrijf ?

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 18:06 schreef hooibaal het volgende:

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Wat moeten ze dan, zeggen dat ze verloren hebben?

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 18:06 schreef hooibaal het volgende:

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Wat moeten ze dan, zeggen dat ze verloren hebben?

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 18:07 schreef Maanvis het volgende:

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nee. ben benieuwd.

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 18:07 schreef Maanvis het volgende:

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gewoon stil houden een optie?

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 18:09 schreef hooibaal het volgende:

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Wat mij betreft wel. Zeggen dat ze gewonnen hebben slaat in ieder geval helemaal nergens op, maar dat geldt voor Israel niet anders.

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A settler against the occupation
Alongside Israel, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority there was one more crucial player in - and trigger for - the Gaza conflict: Israel’s West Bank settlements.

The most peaceful places in Israel during Operation Protective Edge were the settlements in the West Bank. It is a paradox because these settlements are actually the source of the crisis. Apparently, only three actors are involved in the Gaza "play": Hamas, shooting rockets at Israel indiscriminately from Gaza and trying to sneak in through underground tunnels; Israel, responding with mighty air raids and a land invasion; and the Palestinian Authority, watching from the sidelines. On the surface, the settlements are not a factor, and Israel's combat with Hamas has nothing to do with the occupation of the West Bank. But this is just the superficial view.

Without undermining Hamas' inhuman attitudes and its deliberate attacks on civilians, one cannot also ignore the fact that the current summer theater – the third in a row that started in 2009 and proceeded in 2012 – is just one element of a conflict where Israel's occupation of the West Bank and the establishment of settlements have a lot to be blamed for.

The 1993 Oslo Accords promised the Palestinians a state of their own within a five-year period. More than two decades have passed since then and there’s no sign of a Palestinian state on the horizon. The West Bank is dotted with more than 300 Jewish settlements that disrupt the geographical unity and contiguity of Palestinian townships. The number of Israeli settlers in the West Bank quadrupled from 100,000 in the early 1990s to 400,000 now. These settlements are frequently placed on hilltops in order to cut the connection between Palestinian towns and villages. The peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority have reached a dead end and the unemployment rate in Gaza is close to an all-time-high.

Does this justify shooting missiles at civilians? Of course not. Can this explain why Palestinians resort to desperate steps? By all means – yes.

I talk from firsthand experience: I am an Israeli settler due to my place of work. I am a professor of mass media. I’m not bad at my job, but no matter how good a scientist you are in Israel – your best (and often only) chance to get an academic job is if you agree to work in the West Bank, in the recently upgraded Ariel University.

Scientifically superb it may be and state-of-the-art innovative courses it may offer, but despite its location in the heart of the Palestinian homeland, the university accepts only Israeli students and hires only Israeli faculty who flock there in large numbers. Over the last five years the number of students and faculty has nearly doubled. The reason is obvious: Where else can a student enroll without having to pass the dreadful psychometric exam (equivalent to the SAT)? Where else can academics find a steady job, when Ariel University has more openings per year than several other Israeli universities combined? A similar principle to attract Israelis to move to the West Bank is operated through taxation (someone earning the same income would be taxed approximately 10% less if they reside in a settlement defined as "high priority") and in real estate (a villa in Oranit – a settlement that straddles the Green Line – costs half of what one would have to pay for a similar house in Petah Tikva in Israel proper, less than 10km to the west).

Thus, the territories provide the Israeli lower and middle classes with an economic colonialist temptation that is hard to resist. Yet, this good life comes at the cost of the bad life of many more Israelis who live inside the Green Line. They’re the ones who are paying, by having to seek shelter from Hamas rockets, and by their army service, risking their life in Gaza (and that is of course before I have mentioned the Palestinian "payment" in the form of life under the shower of Israeli bombs).

So what to do? Hamas is clearly not the ideal candidate for negotiations; its basic ideology refuses to countenance Israel's right to existence. The Palestinian Authority is in principle willing to reach a two-state deal and would probably be able to gradually enforce it on Hamas; but the settlements stand as an obstacle disrupting any deal, and are now presented by the Israeli government as an "irreversible condition": A now-unassailable demographic and logistical reality indicating that supposedly there is no way of dissolving the settlements and evacuating the settlers.

However, if France was able to dislocate one million settlers from Algeria back to mainland France in the early 1960s, if Germany – still destroyed by WWII – was able to find new homes for no fewer than six million Germans, and if Israel itself was able to absorb half-a-million newcomers in the early 1950s and a million immigrants from Russia in the early 1990s – would it be that impossible to shift just a couple of hundred thousand settlers a few kilometers to the west for the sake of peace?

Amir Hetsroni is a professor of communication at Ariel University- an Israeli university located in the West Bank. The article expresses his opinion and does not represent the view of the university

Haaretz

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 17:37 schreef Japie77 het volgende:

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Kruistochten, heksenverbrandingen, onderdrukking van mensen, al die schandalen tegenwoordig van dat kindermisbruik, Irak-oorlog op basis van leugens en zo kan je nog wel even doorgaan.

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 17:34 schreef Japie77 het volgende:

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Daar hebben we het hier niet over.

Maar ben zelf ook zwaar anti religie. Maar het Christendom heeft toch wel even heel wat meer ellende in deze wereld gebracht dan de Islam.

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 20:38 schreef Yasmin23 het volgende:

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Denk eerder een trol

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 20:49 schreef Specularium het volgende:
Juichen om dode Palestijnen, doe even normaal.

Je kan een hoop zeggen hier maar er zijn wel grenzen.

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 20:49 schreef Yasmin23 het volgende:

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Oh dus ze hebben het niet zelf gewist ?

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 20:50 schreef Specularium het volgende:

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Nee, ik heb die rommel weggehaald.

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 21:02 schreef Yasmin23 het volgende:
Hamas executes Palestinians as Israeli spies in Gaza war

Hamas has announced that it had executed several Palestinians on suspicion of helping Israeli forces during the month-long Gaza war.

"The spies were executed after they were caught red-handedly informing on the whereabouts of the resistance (or) disrupting the work of resistance men and defusing ambushes prepared against the enemy," Al-Majd, a pro-Hamas website, quoted an unnamed member of the Islamist group's security services as saying on Thursday.

It did not elaborate on the number of people executed. [Reuters]

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Gaza Strip: Benjamin Netanyahu Asks US Lawmakers to 'Help Israel Avoid War Crimes Charges'

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has asked US lawmakers to help Israeli officials defend a projected Palestinian legal campaign over alleged war crimes committed against the Gaza population.

It is believed that attempts will be made to bring Israel's military and political leaders in front of international courts such as the International Criminal Court (ICC).

Netanyahu made the remarks during a meeting with members of US Congress who are visiting Israel as guests on behalf of the US Israel lobby AIPAC.

"The prime minister asked us to work together to ensure that this strategy of going to the ICC does not succeed," Republican senator Steve Israel said.

Netanyahu "wants the US to use all the tools that we have at our disposal to, number one, make sure the world knows that war crimes were not committed by Israel, they were committed by Hamas. And that Israel should not be held to a double standard," the congressman said.

In his first press conference of the 72-hour ceasefire, Netanyahu told international journalists that Israel had taken "extraordinary measures" to avoid civilian casualties during 'Operation Protective Edge'.

He added the point: "Do terrorists have immunity because of the fear that some civilians may get hurt?"

"Imagine your territory is infiltrated by death squads. What would you do? What would you demand your government do to protect you and your family? What if the rockets are fired from civilian areas? Should you then not take action?"

"Mounting evidence" of war crimes
The IDF has started to prepare for a legal challenge as international opinion begins to turn on the country for shelling several UN schools where Palestinian civilians were ordered to take refuge from the conflict.

Human rights NGO Amnesty International, however, said that there is "mounting evidence" that the IDF conducted "deliberate attacks against hospitals and health professionals in Gaza".

Human Rights Watch (HRW) have also claimed that Israeli forces "fired on" fleeing civilians in "deliberate" attacks on those not participating in the fighting.

The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay, has said there is a "strong possibility" that Israel is violating international law and had committed war crimes in Gaza.

The UN Human Rights Council recently voted in favour of creating a committee to investigate the allegations. Only the United States voted against its creation while European Union member states abstained.

Palestinians have long-held the leverage of taking Israel to the international courts but these efforts have been delayed as any potential legal challenge may be met by a counter-legal effort from Israel, possibly implicating some Palestinian leaders in the firing of rockets at Israel's civilian population.

However, this challenge now seems imminent as it is clear that Israel has more to lose in any investigation in comparison with the leaders of a designated terrorist organisation such as Hamas.

According to Palestinian officials, the death toll in Gaza has risen to 1,886 with 9,806 injured. The Israeli military has confirmed that 61 IDF soldiers were killed in their ground and air operation as well as two Israeli civilians and a Thai national.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/(...)imes-charges-1460180

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And that Israel should not be held to a double standard

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that some civilians

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 21:16 schreef Medi het volgende:
Dan maar hier verder:

Benjamin Netanyahu Asks US Lawmakers to 'Help Israel Avoid War Crimes Charges

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Waar maakt Nethanyahu zich zo druk om? Of Israel heeft oorlogsmisdaden begaan (volgens hem niet) dus de internationaal gerechtshof deugt niet?

Wat een walgelijke figuur is het ook Eerst heel bevolking uitmoorden en vervolgens snel naar de Joodse Lobby in de VS om alle mogelijke "tools" te gebruiken in het voorkomen dat Israel wordt berecht door een onafhankelijke rechter.

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Wat een mogool Hij wil dat VS voorkomt dat hij voor internationale gerechtshof komt, dus double standards want een ieder moet berecht kunnen worden indien er sprake is van oorlogsmisdaad. Doch, indien het Israel weer uitkomt, geen double standards. Want huilie huilie Israel wordt weer onrecht aangedaan.

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Some... 90% van de 1900 slachtoffers waren burgers, waarvan vele vrouwen en kinderen

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 21:02 schreef Yasmin23 het volgende:
Hamas executes Palestinians as Israeli spies in Gaza war

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 21:18 schreef gohan16 het volgende:
Israel erkent het internationaal gerechtshof in den haag niet. dus mocht daar een israelische generaal oid gevangen zit, zal Israel nederland invallen om de generaal te bevrijden.

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Op donderdag 7 augustus 2014 21:18 schreef Medi het volgende:

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Hamas moet zo snel mogelijk opdonderen uit Gaza. Hamas was opgericht door Israel om het gezag van Arafat te ondermijnen. Sindsdien speelt Hamas keurig in de handen van extreemrechts Israel. Stel idioten brengen niks dan schade. Geen enkele oorlog kan echter op Hamas worden afgeschoven. Wanneer je land voor je ogen wordt afgepakt dan heb je meer recht van spreken wat zelfverdediging betreft. Ziet wat Israel doet in de Westbank. PLO erkent Israel en wil dialoog en Israel blijft knikken en doordouwen van illegale nederzettingen.