Liveblog Al Jazeeraquote:Tijdlijn van de ontwikkelingen in Oekrane
NOVEMBER
* Nov 21: Kiev suddenly announces suspension of trade and association talks with the EU and opts to revive economic ties with Moscow, triggering months of mass rallies in Kiev.
* Nov 30: Riot police try to break up the Kiev demonstration by force. Protest turns against Yanukovich and his government.
DECEMBER
Protests continue with crowds of up to 800,000. Some clashes with police. Opposition forms bloc called Maidan. Yanukovich and Putin meet, Putin agrees to buy $15 billion of Ukrainian debt and to slash by a third the price of Russian gas supplies to Ukraine.
JANUARY
* Jan 22: Three people die in protests in Kiev. EU threatens action over crisis. Talks between opposition, Yanukovich fail.
* Jan 23: Washington threatens sanctions over violence.
* Jan 26: Unrest spreads to pro-Yanukovich east.
FEBRUARY
Anti-government protests turn increasingly violent. At least 77 people killed in clashes between demonstrators and police.
* Feb 21: Opposition leaders sign EU-mediated peace pact with Yanukovich.
* Feb 22: Ukraine's parliament votes to remove Yanukovich, who flees. Arch-rival Yulia Tymoshenko released from jail.
* Feb 26: Ukraine appoints new government. Angry Russia puts 150,000 troops on high alert.
* Feb 27-28: Armed men seize Crimea parliament, raise Russian flag. Militia take control of two airports in Crimea.
MARCH
* March 1: Putin wins parliamentary approval to invade Ukraine, angering the White House. Russian forces fan out in Crimea.
* March 6: Crimea's leadership votes to join Russia. U.S. President Barack Obama orders sanctions on those responsible for Moscow's actions in Ukraine.
EU leaders hold emergency summit to find ways to pressure Russia to back down and accept mediation.
* March 15: Two killed in clashes between pro-Russian demonstrators and Ukrainian nationalists.
* March 16: Referendum held in Crimea, shows overwhelming support for joining the Russian Federation.
* March 21: Putin signs laws completing annexation of Crimea. The U.S. imposes sanctions on Putin's close allies, EU follows with similar measures.
* March 23: NATO says Russia has amassed a large force at Ukraine's border.
* March 24: Ukraine pulls troops from Crimea.
APRIL
* April 2: NATO suspends cooperation with Russia.
* April 7: Pro-Russia activists in eastern Ukraine proclaim the creation of the "Donetsk People's Republic".
* April 12: Separatists take control of city of Slaviansk in eastern Ukraine. Kiev prepares troops.
* April 13: One Ukrainian state security officer killed and five wounded in operation against separatists.
* April 14: Obama warns Putin in phone call that Moscow would face further costs for its actions in Ukraine.
* April 17: Pro-Russian separatists seize armored vehicles of Ukraine forces trying to recapture rebel-controlled town.
* April 18: The United States, Russia, Ukraine and the EU reach deal for illegal armed groups to disarm and end occupations of public buildings and spaces.
* April 19: Separatists say they will not sign deal until the Kiev government steps down.
* April 24: Ukraine sends in troops again to try to expel the separatists in Slaviansk, kill five rebels.
* April 25: Ukrainian forces mount full blockade of Slaviansk. Separatists detain group of international observers, say a Kiev "spy" among them.
* April 26: G7 leaders agree to impose extra sanctions on Russia over Ukraine. Yatsenyuk cuts short a Vatican trip to see Pope Francis, saying Russian warplanes violated Ukraine's airspace seven times overnight. Russia denies the claim.
* April 27: Rebels say the OSCE observers are "prisoners of war" and present them in front of the press, where they say they have not been mistreated.
* April 28: West imposes new sanctions on Moscow. Russia vows a "painful" response. Russia says troops have returned to barracks after conducting exercises on the border with Ukraine. The West says there is no sign of this pull-back. Russia assures the US it will not invade Ukraine.
* April 29: Russia accuses Washington of seeking to revive Iron Curtain policies. Putin warns sanctions could harm Western interests in Russia's lucrative energy sector, denies there are Russian forces in eastern Ukraine.
* April 30: Kiev says its armed forces are on "full combat alert" against a possible Russian invasion. Interim president Oleksandr Turchynov admits Kiev is "helpless" to prevent rebels over-running towns. Rebels storm the regional police building and town hall in Gorlivka. The International Monetary Fund approves $17-billion aid deal for the beleaguered Ukrainian economy.
MAY
* May 1: Some 300 pro-Russian militants seize prosecutor's office in Donetsk amid violent clashes with police. Conscription reintroduced for all Ukrainian men aged 18-25.
* May 2: Ukrainian commandos launch pre-dawn raid to retake Slavyansk. Rebels shoot down two helicopters and two servicemen are killed.
* May 3: Slavyansk rebels free OSCE inspectors after Kremlin envoy intervenes. Two days of mourning proclaimed over Odessa deaths. Fierce firefights around Slavyansk and nearby towns as military seeks to retake control.
* May 4: Kiev vows to expand "anti-terrorism" operations. Yatsenyuk launches probe into security forces in Odessa over the deaths.
May 5: A fresh assault begins on Slovyansk. The interior minister says more than 30 rebels are killed. Four servicemen are also killed. Russia warns Europe's peace is at risk. UN chief Ban Ki-moon offers to mediate personally as the West launches new diplomatic push.
May 6: Russia rejects a German-led move for a new peace meeting. Germany says Ukraine is on the verge of war.
May 7: In a surprise announcement, Putin calls for rebel independence referendums to be pushed back and endorses Ukraine's planned presidential election. He says Russian troops pulled back from border. The new overall toll from Ukrainian military operations stands at 14 servicemen dead.
May 8: Rebels vow to press on with referendums despite Putin's call. Russia conducts military exercises, test-fires several missiles, and says nuclear capabilities are on "constant combat alert." NATO says there is no sign of a Russian troop pull-back.
May 9: Putin flies to annexed Crimea after overseeing a display of military might in the Red Square where he paid tribute to Russia's "all-conquering patriotic force." Clashes break out in Mariupol that the interior minister says leave 21 dead.
May 10: France and Germany threaten to step up sanctions against Russia if the May 25 election is disrupted and urge Kiev to cease "offensive" operations before the vote.
May 11: "Referendums" are held in the provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk. Fighting is reported around Slovyansk as rebels try to retake TV tower.
May 12: Pro-Russia activists declare resounding victory in a twin referendum on sovereignty for eastern Ukraine. The provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk voted on Sunday to secede from Ukraine. Russian gas giant Gazprom gives Ukraine until June 3 to pay $1.6bn for natural gas. The EU ramps up sanctions on Moscow.
May 13: Seven Ukrainian soldiers killed in rebel ambush in the deadliest single loss of life for the military since the start of the uprising.
May 14: Ukraine hosts "national unity" talks based on an OSCE roadmap but rebels are not invited.
Niemand. Daarom kan n iemand kan op een forum een topic afbreken. Dat is heel eenvoudig.quote:Op maandag 30 juni 2014 23:57 schreef Autodefensa het volgende:
Sinds wanneer moet ik mij druk maken om wat jij van mij vindt? "Wie ben jij?"
Dat vrees ik wel. Of ze daarin de juiste keuze maken betwijfel ik. Want het zal gepaard gaan met veel ellende.quote:Op dinsdag 1 juli 2014 00:05 schreef Happel het volgende:
Nu gaat de fullscale burgeroorlog dus echt beginnen.
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 01-07-2014 om 00:17:16I predict: If terrorists fire from civilian buildings, the Ukr. army will DESTROY these buildings!!Ukraine has not enough troops to go in! reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 01-07-2014 om 00:06:55#BreakingFootage Civilians and militants in #Kramatorsk flee into shelters as the ATO above resumes in full pace.https://t.co/hEaLCHYeo7 reageer retweet
Mr Poroshenko said the chance for peace was lost because of the "criminal activities" of pro-Russian militants.quote:We will attack, we will free our land.
Mr Poroshenko said.quote:The decision not to continue the ceasefire is our answer to terrorists, militants and marauders
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 01-07-2014 om 00:42:37#Poroshenko: "I appeal to every resident of #Donetsk+#Luhansk regions to understand my decision. Please become allies in return for Donbas." reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 01-07-2014 om 00:25:15If you don't know: THIS IS THE ATO ZONE. Ukrainian and Russian civilians MUST leave it NOW to avoid being harmed!! http://t.co/w2vNsXFkyt reageer retweet
Hopen dat dat volk snel op de knien is dan en het normale volk terug kan. Zijn die grenzen nou eindelijk gesloten?quote:Op dinsdag 1 juli 2014 00:05 schreef Happel het volgende:
Nu gaat de fullscale burgeroorlog dus echt beginnen.
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 01-07-2014 om 07:33:38#BREAKINGNEWS ANOTHER RUSSIAN INVASION CONVOY ENTERED #LUHANSK DIRECTLY AFTER THE NEWS OF THE CEASEFIRE END. https://t.co/tT6xjjP7Z7 reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 01-07-2014 om 08:37:54#BreakingNews Heaviest militant shelling last night destroyed the #Sloviansk TV tower in Mount Karachun where Ukr troops are located. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 01-07-2014 om 07:26:50#BreakingFootage Heavy damage to #Kramatorsk buildings after fighting last night. https://t.co/Ag8ngjuXkP Large calibers used.#Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 01-07-2014 om 09:23:55#BreakingNews A regular shuttle bus was hit in cross for near #Kramatorsk. 4 passengers killed, 5 injured. #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 01-07-2014 om 09:37:53#BREAKINGNEWS A #tank _battle between Ukrainian army units and Battalion Vostok invaders is taking place in the Donetsk village of #Karlivka reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 01-07-2014 om 09:38:39Sources say at least 4 militant tanks are involved and civilians are fleeing the area in panic. reageer retweet
http://rusvesna.su/english/1404162473quote:A major breakthrough took place in the Ukrainian civil war, which is changing the geopolitical situation around the Southeast.
The Analytical Department of ANNA-NEWS is exploring the motives of the Russian leadership and the policy of nonintervention in the events in Ukraine.
The Donbass struggled and became stronger
First, not only were the Novorossiya voluntary forces not crushed by the Ukrainian Army and detachments of retributive expeditions, but actually strengthened, even while incurring losses. Specifically:
1. Donbass voluntary forces (militia) acquired a sufficient quantity of MANPADS to close the Donbass airspace.
2. The Kiev authorities' aircraft is flying over the Donbass blindly, because the militia has destroyed or taken control of radar stations in controlled territory.
3. Kiev aviation group (Army Aviation and Air Force) have suffered heavy losses and been forced to use anything that can fly, including helicopters with United Nations markings.
4. The militia have acquired heavy weapons, particularly T-64 tanks, Grad multiple launch rocket systems, and sufficient amounts of cannon artillery not only for deterrence, but also for a gradual transition to the offensive.
5. Heavy shelling and the destruction of infrastructure has dramatically increased the influx of volunteers and accelerated the formation of new militias, including from miners who left idled mines in Akhmetov;
6. The unity of command is gaining strength parts militia leadership. At the same time, parts of Kiev and the Khaganate showed signs of confusion and disarray.
7. The Border is still under the control of the Donbass voluntary forces.
Kiev is exhausted
Secondly, Kiev’s retributory machine has begun to fizzle out. They have deployed almost all their reserves, which has frustrated those in regions loyal to Kiev:
1. Kiev units have suffered huge losses that the Kiev junta is forced to hide from the public.
2. Facts have emerged about choked transportation lanes and conscripts being stripped from their parents to be sent to the front.
3. Kiev authorities are not able to plan operations strategically, or even at the tactical level.
4. In Kiev controlled В/Ч they are repairing virtually everything possible. This indicates the depletion of stocks, workable machinery, and equipment;
5. Manipulation of equipment procurements have been reported, for example, body armor has been delivered with an insufficient protection class;
6. At the beginning of June, meetings were held in Kiev that meant to require soldiers be provided with the necessary equipment before being sent to the eastern front.
7. Dormant resistance cells were activated in Kiev controlled territory. It is a well known fact that campaign materials for Novorossiya are being distributed in Kherson, Kharkiv and Odessa.
8. The Eastern border is no longer controlled by Ukraine. The morale of the border areas controlled by Kiev have fallen to the point that they have abandoned border checkpoints, retreating deep into Ukraine, and at worst (for Kiev) have crossed the Russian border and are hiding there. It should be noted that the Russian Federation does not pursue Ukrainian border guards, who have escaped from Ukraine.
Inadequacy of Ukrainian elites
The incompetence of the Kiev authorities has been revealed, as has its absolute inability to negotiate and its inadequacy as managers:
1. The standard of living fell sharply in Ukraine: in lieu of Europe — there has been a tremendous growth in utility and commodity price payments.
2. Accelerating economic collapse: plant closings, reduced economic activity, rising unemployment.
3. The disruption of gas negotiations indicates that Kiev has no money. No in the sense of, none at all.
4. A state of emergency has been caused in the energy sector, not only with the ceasing of pumping gas into storage, but also upcoming coal supply disruptions;
5. With budget increases derailed and credit frozen for Kiev, authorities have been forced to ask creditors to restructure their debt.
Gobbling up each other: escalation of an inter-species struggle
Battles between the Euromaidan factions of the Beni Kolomoyskiy Khaganate and the Tymoshenko faction have become more intense:
1. Ukrainian elites have selected to engage in simultaneous war with all on several fronts and are regularly tripping over each other.
2. Poroshenko, the President of Euromaidan entering into an open war with the head of the Khaganate, Igor Kolomoiskiy, as evidenced by Kolomoiskiy’s open disobedience to Poroshenko’s decision on a temporary truce in the Donbass and leaked information about Poroshenko’s intentions to remove Kolomoyskiy and his protege from power.
3. In Odessa, Gennady Trukhanov won the mayoral election, sworn to Kolomoiskiy, the Poroshenko protege, Edward Hurwitz, failed miserably.
4. Territorial defense battalions funded by Kolomoiskiy act in isolation from parts of Kiev, disobeying and conducting raids (the Azov Battalion of A. Biletskiy under the name of O. Lyashko and the shattered Idar Militia Battalion);
5. Poroshenko was forced to fight in Kiev, with Tymoshenko’s people, forcing them out of power and pushing the idea ofearly parliamentary elections.
Europe is given pause for thought
Four postponements for transferring Kiev to prepaid gas has led to a radical shift in EU policy towards Russia and energy supplies:
1. Europe, actually, acknowledged that Moscow’s proposed gas price for Kiev was fair.
2. Commissioner Oettinger initiated the transfer to prepayment and extended negotiations, which demonstrates the EU elites' is aware of the depth of the energy problem.
3. Gazprom refused to use the Ukrainian underground gas storage facilities, preferring to pump gas directly to the EU underground gas storage facility.
4. Nord Stream temporarily shut down for scheduled maintenance from June 24 to 28, and only one branch of the pipeline will be active from June 28 to July 4.
5. The EU will reconcile with the required conditions within a month or two, after which it will accept almost any of Gazprom’s requirements for the South Stream and gas supply.
6. EU elites do not believe shale gas supplies from the United States are truly feasible (and rightly so).
Thus, the attitudes of European politicians are reformed, and its carriers are forced to look at the Ukrainian events not from an ideological standpoint, but from the perspective of the economy and a healthy pragmatism that brings the positions of the EU and the Russian Federation closer together. Under these circumstances, the United States finds themselves acting as a third wheel.
Trends in the development of the Ukrainian Civil War
A number of trends and future developments in Ukraine can be predicted, based on the aforesaid, provided that Russian troops are not deployed in the Donbass and Ukraine. The deployment of troops will nullify this matrix scuttle all progress in the EU’s turn to Russia. Europeans will push for sanctions and the conclusion of the Transatlantic Free Trade Area Agreement with the United States, which will lead to a sharp increase in the US’s geopolitical position and the rapid weakening of Russia’s standing.
https://www.facebook.com/MIDRussia/posts/507359999363446quote:Laat in de avond op 30 juni hield een telefoongesprek tussen minister van Buitenlandse Zaken van de Russische Federatie Sergej Lavrov en minister van Buitenlandse Zaken Frank-Walter Steinmeier, Frankrijk en Oekrane L.Fabiusom P.A.Klimkinym de ontwikkeling gehouden op dezelfde dag eerder vierweg-telefoon conferentie met de hoofden van Rusland, Duitsland, Frankrijk en Oekrane.
De ministers bespraken de situatie in Oekrane en de maatregelen die moeten worden genomen om de wapenstilstand, het scheppen van voorwaarden voor de oplossing van de humanitaire problemen te verlengen en om de onderhandelingen over de regeling van interne Oekraense crisis beginnen.
Werd overeengekomen vier-verklaring, die het initiatief van de Russische grenswachten aan vertegenwoordigers van Oekrane en de OVSE-waarnemers te hosten op drie checkpoints op het Russische grondgebied te nemen aan het toezicht op de situatie aan de grens verwelkomd; sprak zijn steun uit voor de organisatie voor dit doel directe contacten tussen de Russische en Oekraense grens diensten en aanneming bij het besluit van de OVSE Permanente Raad over de inzet van waarnemers. Benadrukte de noodzaak van een spoedige hervatting van de activiteiten van de Contactgroep overeenstemming te bereiken over een voor beide partijen duurzame wapenstilstand te bereiken. Opgeroepen tot de onmiddellijke vrijlating van alle gijzelaars.
Op het laatste moment de Oekraense kant publicatie van een consensus document heeft geweigerd, zeggen dat het klaar is om te gaan voor het eerst na de onvoorwaardelijke bilaterale wapenstilstand was. Een dergelijke stap Kiev is zeer betreurenswaardig, vooral omdat vier-verklaring juist de partijen opgeroepen om de actie om snel te kunnen bereiken van de betreffende overeenkomst in de Contactgroep. Daarnaast is de Oekraense kant in de vorm van een ultimatum eist de bijeenroeping van de Contactgroep van de Russisch grondgebied en niet in Donetsk, die de vorige vergadering gehost.
Rekening houdend met de ontvangen over de deelnemers informatie die de Oekraense kant op 30 juni andere contacten in verschillende formaten indruk dat positie wisseling van Kiev, waaronder bedrijf op de avond van 1 juli de wapenstilstand niet te verlengen, was niet zonder invloed van buitenaf, ondanks de positie van de vooraanstaande leden van de EU.
Nogmaals, de oproep om te stoppen met Oekrane als ruilmiddel in de geopolitieke spelletjes, af te zien van het opleggen van strafrechtelijke lijn op de gewelddadige onderdrukking van de protesten. Alle moeten worden geleid in de eerste plaats de taak om een onmiddellijk einde aan het bloedvergieten, duurzaam staakt-het-vuren en het begin van het object en open onderhandelingen over de toekomst van de Oekraense staat in het belang van alle burgers en regio's zetten.
Overeengekomen op initiatief van Duitsland en Frankrijk vier ministers verklaring ter ondersteuning van de Russische voorstellen over gezamenlijke grenscontroles is ontworpen om een belangrijke bijdrage aan de verwezenlijking van deze doelstellingen te maken - in de veronderstelling, natuurlijk, sparen de wapenstilstand. Annuleer deze modus autoriteiten in Kiev en scherpe intensivering van de vijandelijkheden ondermijnd een belangrijke diplomatieke actie ontwikkeld door de gezamenlijke instructies van de leiders van Duitsland, Rusland, Oekrane en Frankrijk.
Wij zijn ervan overtuigd dat de inspanningen om de situatie terug te keren naar de intercom kanaal moet worden voortgezet, waaronder de dringende bijeenroeping van de Contactgroep. Zal al het mogelijke doen om dit te vergemakkelijken. Als het gezond verstand zal zegevieren en zal worden hervat een wapenstilstand, dan bereid om te werken met partners om de uitvoering van de in de overeengekomen afspraken leiden, maar niet in werking als gevolg van de positie van Kiev verklaring opgenomen.
Het probleem is eigenlijk dat dit als een probleem gezien wordt. Juist door het tegenwerken van eerlijke referenda in de Krim en het oosten en het afwijzen van decentralisatie heeft men de rebellen in het zadel geholpen.quote:Op dinsdag 1 juli 2014 14:12 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Als je de rebellen in Oost-Oekraine als een proxy van Rusland ziet, of als representanten van de gedeelte van de bevolking van Donbass, dan is duidelijk dat de rebellen een deling van het land afdwingen. Dat is voor een soeverein land onacceptabel. Rusland zo zoiets in eigen land nooit accepteren. Het zijn de rebellen die hun zin doordrijven, zonder enig mandaat (niemand heeft hen gekozen als vertegenwoordigers). Dat is een vorm oorlogsvoering en Oekraine verdedigd het eigen land tegen deze aanval.
http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/738525quote:He recalled that since June 16 Ukraine was shifted to prepayment rules and would be getting precisely the amount of gas it has paid for. “Today they are paying nothing and get nothing,” he said.
“What they are getting are so-called reverse supplies. We do know what this is all about. It is artificial reverse traffic. There is no such thing in reality,” Putin said. “How is it possible to use the same pipe to pump gas both ways? It does not take to be big specialist in the gas sphere to understand that this is unrealistic,” Putin said.
“They have devised some shady schemes with some of their partners. They are getting Russian gas and paying to some of their partners in Europe, who under-consume these amounts,” Putin said. ”We see everything,” he said. “We have taken no action so far for the sole purpose of not exacerbating the situation,” Putin said.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/738499quote:A journalist Denis Kulaga came under mortar fire near Izvarino checkpoint in Ukraine’s eastern Luhansk region has been wounded but feels better, Russian TV channel representative told ITAR-TASS.
He also noted that the journalist’s appeal will be posted on the Internet soon.
http://novorossia.su/ru/node/3377quote:Russische diplomaten: Kiev onder druk van 'buitenaf' om door te gaan met oorlogshandelingen
Toch fijn om te weten dat zoals altijd de Amerikanen de schuldigen zijn, ook als het gaat om Oekrane, en dat wij Europeanen vredelievend zijn en hooguit ook door de Amerikanen onderdrukt worden.quote:Putin to West: Stop turning world into 'global barracks,' dictating rules to others
Russia’s president has blamed the turmoil in Ukraine on the country’s newly-elected leader Petro Poroshenko. Vladimir Putin also criticized the West for its intention to turn the planet into a "global barracks."
Russia’s president has laid the blame for the ongoing turmoil between Kiev and south-eastern regions squarely at the feet of Petro Poroshenko, after the Ukrainian leader terminated the ceasefire.
He has stressed that Russia and European partners could not convince Poroshenko to not take the path of violence, which can’t lead to peace.
“Unfortunately, President Poroshenko has made the decision to resume military actions, and we – meaning myself and my colleagues in Europe – could not convince him that the way to reliable, firm and long-term peace can’t lie through war,” Putin said. “So far, Petro Poroshenko had no direct relation to orders to take military action. Now he has taken on this responsibility in full. Not only military, but also political, more importantly."
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"I hope the West will start building relations based on equal rights, mutual respect and mutual consideration of interests.”
Putin recalled the situation with France and the delivery of the Mistral-class ships that was agreed between Moscow and Paris, but was jeopardized in March.
“We know about the pressure that our American partners put on the French so that they would not deliver the Mistral [ships] to Russia,” Putin said. “And we know that [they] hinted that if the French don't deliver Mistral, sanctions on banks will be gradually removed, or at least minimized. What is this, if not blackmail?"
Russia is ready to have dialogue with the US only bases of equality, Putin added.
“We are not going to stop our relations with the US. The bilateral relations are not in the best shape, that is true. But this - and I want to emphasize - is not Russia’s fault,” he told diplomats.
Speaking about international relations, Putin stressed that Russia always tried to be “predictable, to do business on an equal basis”, however, in return, its interests were quite often ignored.
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http://rt.com/news/169628-putin-ukraine-west-barracks/
Rusland heeft nog steeds een grote vinger in de pap in Oekraine. Die invloed loopt vooral via de regio Donbass. Er is eigenlijk niet zoveel reden om het land te verdelen in autonome gebieden, want:quote:Op dinsdag 1 juli 2014 14:25 schreef BlaZ het volgende:
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Het probleem is eigenlijk dat dit als een probleem gezien wordt. Juist door het tegenwerken van eerlijke referenda in de Krim en het oosten en het afwijzen van decentralisatie heeft men de rebellen in het zadel geholpen.
Misschien is het een idee om de provincies van Luhanks en Donetsk onder VN bevel te plaatsen, met vredestroepen. Dan kunnen er daar ook verkiezingen plaatsvinden, waarna decentralisatie of onafhankelijkheid of wat dan ook met democratisch mandaat geregeld kunnen worden.
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