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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 11:03 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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In een stembureau in hartje Damascus volgde een AP-verslaggever het tellen: de 2169 uitgebrachte stemmen waren op twee na allemaal voor Assad.
Rusland: verkiezingen Syri� geen obstakel vrede

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 11:21 schreef Isetmyfriendsonfire het volgende:

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 09:25 schreef Aloulou het volgende:
Zijn de laatste uitslagen van de verkiezingen al bekend inmiddels? Exit-polls?

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 13:47 schreef JaJammerJan het volgende:

Verder vind ik een pro-Assad uitslag niet verassend. Een groot deel van de bevolking is altijd al voor Assad geweest en ik denk dat die steun tijdens de opstand alleen maar groter is geworden, nadat ze gezien hebben hoe de rebellen het land kapot maken.

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 14:39 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:
Zijn we nu zo ver dat we deze 'verkiezingen' als legitiem beschouwen? Een dictator die protesterende burgers laat doodschieten en een burgeroorlog ontketent, die gaat even eerlijke verkiezingen houden?

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Syria's presidential election, which has been held for the first-ever time on an alternative basis, ended at midnight. Due to a very high turnout of voters, polling, which began at 07 am Tuesday, was prolonged for five hours. The present Head of State Bashar Assad is indisputably in the lead. Together with his wife Asma, he cast his vote at a polling station in the secondary school named after national hero Naim Maasarani. The school is located not far far from the presidential residence in Damascus.

Another candidate running for presidency, Maher Abdul-Hafiz Hajjar, a Communist member of parliament from Aleppo, went to a polling station set up in the parliament palace in Salhiya Quarter. Just like Assad, he refrained from remarks to the press.
The third candidate, Hasan Abdel Illahi al-Nuri, a Liberal, cast his vote at a polling station at Sheraton Hotel. He told journalists that the elections being held in Syria "proceed in a democratic and transparent way". "Syria is becoming a different country where pluralism is taking root and a different opinion gets acceptable," he emphasized.
The polling results will be announced not earlier than in 24 hours' time and only after full counting of votes, Hisham al-Shaar, Head of the Supreme Judicial Committee for Elections (electoral commission), told Itar-Tass in an exclusive interview. "Preliminary and final results will be announced simultaneously. No tentative results will be made public," he said, pointing out that no exit polls are practised in this country.

The polling process was monitored by observers from 30 friendly-to-Syria countries, including those from Russia. The Russian observers have already stated that they recognise the elections in Syria as legitimate, Alexei Alexandrov, leader of the Russian delegation and First Deputy Chairman of the Committee on Constitutional Legislation of the Federation Council upper house of the Russian parliament, told Itar-Tass in an interview.
"We have no doubts about legitimacy of these polls," he stressed, pointing out that an appropriate Act would be signed by the Russian observers.
"Syria does everything to get aligned with the world's democratic law-governed states. There are no doubts that he (Bashar Assad) was confronted by serious politicians who had every ground to expect a realistic win. It is obvious that President Assad enjoys special prestige, and the people's love for him is felt. From legal and objective points of view, the elections are held impeccably. The existing minor reproaches will not influence the final results," the observer said.
"Three years of struggle against Saudis and Qatar have not subdued us. They did not even dream of democracy of ours," Muhammad Faiz, a voter, told Itar-Tass at a polling station. He put a tick beneath the portrait of Bashar Assad one of the three candidates listed in the ballot-paper. Following that, he lowered his index finger of his right hand into a jar with ink. The ink traces rule out the possibility of a repeat vote.
Ridvan Awan, a member of the electoral commission, said, "Turnout of voters has been high. Polling has been held in an open and honest atmosphere". Itar-Tass correspondents have been able to see that for themselves upon visiting unimpededly about 15 polling stations in Damascus and watching the entire procedure for polling.
Armed militants' attempts to frustrate the polling proved to no avail. People on the streets of the Syrian capital were joyful and merry on the polling day.

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 14:45 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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SyrianLionesss twitterde op dinsdag 03-06-2014 om 21:00:01 YPG stormed polling stations and captured ballot boxes destroying some votes #Syria http://t.co/IMNDj8neL3 reageer retweet

Met vrijheid heeft de YPG niet veel op.

Observers find Syrian polls valid
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/734657

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 10:12 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Nutsflipped_z_1 twitterde op dinsdag 03-06-2014 om 08:44:34 "Ahrar al-Sham' Brigade commander former FSA, dressed like a women 2 escape our checkpoints. #SyriaModerate "rebels" http://t.co/a49lWc7hkV reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 14:45 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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SyrianLionesss twitterde op dinsdag 03-06-2014 om 21:00:01 YPG stormed polling stations and captured ballot boxes destroying some votes #Syria http://t.co/IMNDj8neL3 reageer retweet

Met vrijheid heeft de YPG niet veel op.

Observers find Syrian polls valid
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/734657

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 16:35 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:

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Deze farce wordt niet getolereerd door de Koerden.

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 16:41 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Dat zeg ik, met vrijheid heeft de YPG niet veel op. Als ze het een farce vinden stemmen ze gewoon niet.

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 17:07 schreef hafez1234 het volgende:

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Niemand in het Midden-Oosten tolereert de farce genaamd de Koerden.

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 17:19 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Volgens jou niet, volgens anderen wel.

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 16:41 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Dat zeg ik, met vrijheid heeft de YPG niet veel op. Als ze het een farce vinden stemmen ze gewoon niet.

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 17:11 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:

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Het lijkt erop dat de Irakezen en Syriers niet anders kunnen. En binnenkort de Turken ook niet.

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 17:27 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 17:29 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Met mensen de vrijheid ontnemen om de stemmen bereik je wat?

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 17:32 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Onzin. Maar het gaat wel eerlijk als je mensen de vrijheid ontneemt om te stemmen?

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 17:35 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Dus het is eerlijk als je het wordt verboden te stemmen?

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 17:10 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:

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Assad heeft geen legitimiteit in Rojava.

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 17:51 schreef IPA35 het volgende:

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De Syrische Koerden hebben anders ook nooit gestemd voor dat stelletje communisten aldaar, laten we eerlijk wezen.

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 17:25 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Het is zo. Noord-Syri� hoort bij Syri�, juridisch gezien. VN, alle landen enz.

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There is a presidential election in Syria and Bashar Al Assad is going to win. The only question is by how much.

As a presidential candidate, Mr Al Assad has done quite well. He has overseen a truce that has seen one of the country’s largest cities return to government control. He has maintained his relationships with his allies in Iran and Hizbollah. He still cuts a man of the people stance, in marked contrast to the extremists who seek to run the country.

He is, above all, a known quantity, a man who has led the country through difficult times, promises stability and is backed by an army that can deliver it. All in all, Mr Al Assad looks like a credible candidate.

Though only, of course, if you overlook the fact that he caused the civil war that rages today.

But there is a serious reason to understand why Mr Al Assad is seen by many within and without Syria as a credible candidate. Because many will vote for him.

Certainly, that is because there is no real alternative, because the only places in which voting will take place are under government control, because 40 years of propaganda have removed any alternative – and because the Assad regime has spent three years demonstrating what it means by the slogan “Assad or we burn the country”.

But the dirty secret in Syria today is that, if the presidential election were free and fair, Bashar Al Assad would still win.

However unpalatable it is, the man who has overseen the systematic destruction of the country, who has made more refugees than anyone else in the Middle East this century, is still popular. We ought to ask why.

The last time Mr Al Assad faced a popular vote, in 2007, I was in Syria. Buildings and highways were emblazoned with the Arabic word for “Yes”. Although billed as a presidential election, it wasn’t: the parliament had merely proposed that Mr Al Assad be nominated as president for a second term and the public were asked to ratify this decision. Unsurprisingly, they did, all 97 per cent of them.

Yet even the opposition inside the country conceded that, were there a free vote, Mr Al Assad would still have won. The regime was popular – not 97 per cent popular, but popular enough for a majority.

To understand why, and to understand why millions will vote for Mr Al Assad in three weeks, it is important to understand how Syrians saw themselves then and how they see their country today.

In 2007, and even up to 2011, life was getting better in Syria. It wasn’t moving fast enough and the country was riddled with corruption, but for many of the urban middle-class in Damascus and Aleppo, life was better than it had been. Syria was safer than any neighbouring country. The chaos of Iraq next door felt far away.

The uprising changed that. Many who supported it in the beginning, when it looked like it would swiftly topple a long-standing regime, regretted their position as months became a year and a year became three.

It is one thing to fight for an idea: the revolutionaries of Tahrir Square had no thought who would follow Hosni Mubarak, they just felt it had to get better. Similarly for the Syrian revolutionaries. But gradually, what started as a dream took on a form: no longer were thawra and hurriya, revolution and freedom, slogans. They became personified, first in the person of Mohammed Morsi and then in the faces and actions of the Islamists who flooded into Syria.

The secular society – enforced, certainly, but existing – that the Assad regime has created was under threat. And who would defend it? The politicians of the Syrian opposition? They were unknowns, long in exile, squabbling over who would sit on a throne not yet vacated. To Syrians inside the country, they looked like they were arguing over dividing up the spoils of a battle they were not fighting.

The future these groups offered was unknown or unpalatable. Even those who don’t accept the propaganda that the rebels are terrorists can accept that the regime is brutal and murderous – and still prefer it to the unknown rebels and lawless gangs that promise to follow the regime.

For those who have not suffered loved ones killed or in exile – or for those who have but who blame the Syrian rebels for their deaths, directly or indirectly – life with Mr Al Assad is still preferable to the unknown without him.

That should make the Syrian opposition and the international community think very seriously about their policies, about their outreach and about what message they are sending to the people inside the country. Even the flow of weapons to the rebels has a political dimension, because support will follow success and success requires arms. By arming the moderates, the international community will empower them.

The Syrian civil war is not over. The withdrawal from Homs did not end it and the presidential election, regardless of the declarations of Mr Al Assad, Hizbollah or Iran, will not end the revolution. For millions, there is no way back. After seeing their families killed, seeing their children scrabbling in the dirt for food, seeing their neighbourhoods bombed to pieces, there is no accommodation with a regime. There is only rebellion.

But the opposition must understand that there are millions inside the country who need a message, who need a vision of what Syria without Mr Al Assad would look like. If they cannot fill in the blanks for Syrians, they cannot expect Syrians to fight for the unknown.

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 17:54 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:

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Maakt dat uit voor mijn stelling?

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 14:39 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:
Zijn we nu zo ver dat we deze 'verkiezingen' als legitiem beschouwen? Een dictator die protesterende burgers laat doodschieten en een burgeroorlog ontketent, die gaat even eerlijke verkiezingen houden?

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 14:45 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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SyrianLionesss twitterde op dinsdag 03-06-2014 om 21:00:01 YPG stormed polling stations and captured ballot boxes destroying some votes #Syria http://t.co/IMNDj8neL3 reageer retweet

Met vrijheid heeft de YPG niet veel op.

Observers find Syrian polls valid
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/734657

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 16:55 schreef Drxx het volgende:

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Hahahahaha, is dit fucking serieus??? Ik ken die hele gast niet, dus is dit onpartijdig te bevestigen?

Dit kun je als opstandeling toch NOOIT goedpraten, tenzij je echt compleet ge�ndoctrineerd bent? Bewijst wel dat zulke figuren ook wel tot hele rare dingen in staat zijn. Wie weet hoe ze echte vrouwen, en zelfs kinderen, gebruiken in hun strijd...
* Drxx mompelt iets over menselijke schilden.

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 14:53 schreef Isetmyfriendsonfire het volgende:

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http://voiceofrussia.com/(...)is-in-the-lead-4123/

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Op woensdag 4 juni 2014 18:06 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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voiceofrussia, didnt read.