Crisis in Oekraïne #48 'Merica overtreedt eigen wet

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 08:12 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Heeft geen zin joh... SP is niet vatbaar voor hetgeen je met je eigen ogen kan zien. Voor mensen die wel voor rede vatbaar zijn is het overduidelijk dat Rusland de Krim heeft over genomen op een manier die ik in de internationale politiek nog nooit gezien heb.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 08:48 schreef arjan1112 het volgende:
Sjonge Poetin moet gewoon aftreden en met een nieuwe president sluit Rusland zich aan bij navo en de eu, alles opgelost

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 08:13 schreef waht het volgende:

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Zo werkt internationale politiek niet. Rusland heeft de afgelopen tijd bewezen dat ze de eigen omgeving met geweld zal verdedigen. Dat hebben we gezien in Georgië en nu in Oekraïne. De rest van de wereld snapt nu dat dreigen en boze woorden geen enkele invloed hebben op het Kremlin, als iemand Poetin wil tegenhouden zullen ze op zijn militairen moeten gaan schieten. En daartoe is niemand bereid.

Rusland wordt sowieso nog serieus genomen, al het andere is simpele borrelpraat zonder al te veel binding met de werkelijkheid. Een andere werkelijkheid is dat Europa weer eens een tandloze Unie blijkt te zijn, en Poetin weet dit.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 12:43 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)digen_PVV_uit__.html

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 12:53 schreef DeJori het volgende:
Oekraïne in een aantal goede infographics:

http://detailpr.com/infographics/

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 12:43 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)digen_PVV_uit__.html

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:01 schreef magnetronkoffie het volgende:

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Das op zich toch tenminste "iets"?
Goed, tis wel heel kort dag zo vlak voor het referendum, maar de Russen hebben op dat vlak tenminste "iets" gedaan

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Handig voor iets meer detail ja

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:07 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Normaal is de OVSE de aangewezen organisatie om waarnemers te sturen, volgens mij nemen die overal verkiezingen waar, zelfs hier in Nederland. Eerst zegt Rusland dat ze de OVSE gevraagd hebben, die ontkennen dat vervolgens, en nu vraagt Rusland specifiek de eurosceptische fracties in het EP....dus waarnemers ok, maar alleen als ze Rusland-vriendelijk zijn... Misschien iets voor bepaalde users hier?

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:12 schreef Saekerhett het volgende:
*overtreedt

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 12:37 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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tja de ego he. Met wie is putin het wel gezind? Slechts met een paar dubieuze staten die op 1 hand te tellen zijn met dictoriale vrijheids beperkingen.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 12:43 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)digen_PVV_uit__.html

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:23 schreef kurk_droog het volgende:

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:07 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Normaal is de OVSE de aangewezen organisatie om waarnemers te sturen, volgens mij nemen die overal verkiezingen waar, zelfs hier in Nederland. Eerst zegt Rusland dat ze de OVSE gevraagd hebben, die ontkennen dat vervolgens, en nu vraagt Rusland specifiek de eurosceptische fracties in het EP....dus waarnemers ok, maar alleen als ze Rusland-vriendelijk zijn... Misschien iets voor bepaalde users hier?

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De Organisatie voor Veiligheid en Samenwerking in Europa (OVSE) zal geen waarnemers naar het omstreden Krim-referendum op zondag sturen. Dat zegt woordvoerder van het OVSE-kantoor voor mensenrechten, Thomas Rymer, dinsdag. 'We hebben geen uitnodiging ontvangen.' Het pro-Russische parlement heeft de Krim dinsdag formeel onafhankelijk verklaard.

Sergej Aksjonov, regeringsleider op de Krim, zei maandag nog dat hij waarnemers van de organisatie verwacht. Hij had naar eigen zeggen Zwitserland, dat momenteel voorzitter is van de OVSE, een uitnodiging gestuurd, maar dat erkent de organisatie niet.

Zo’n uitnodiging moet immers van de officiële Oekraïense regering in Kiev komen. Het schierieland geldt niet als een OVSE-lidstaat, die uitnodigingen kan uitsturen, aldus Rymer.

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Don't expect the OSCE to send observers. A spokeswoman for the OSCE said that Crimea could not invite observers since it was not a state and therefore not a member of the organization: ""As far as we know, Crimea is not a participating state of the OSCE, so it would be sort of hard for them to invite us,"
" It was not hard for the Crimea to invite the observers. They just did. What is hard is for the OSCE to accept it. It would not be hard for the OSCE to ask permission to send military monitors to the Crimea either but rather than do that they would rather try to send in monitors uninvited three times risking a serious confrontation at the border.
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Yanukovych: I am alive, I am the legitimate President, and I will return to Kyiv

Dear representatives of the media, dear compatriots.

First, because all sorts of rumors have been circulating about me in Ukraine, I would like to say that I am alive, although I cannot say that I feel good because I cannot watch what is happening in Ukraine without a feeling of deep and terrible alarm.

Behind the curtain of some kind of supposedly legitimate government, there is a gang of ultra-nationalists and neo-fascists who are already tagged for the presidency. They capture local governments by force. They fire police and security service executives not only in the centre in Kiev, but also in the regions. Cities are patrolled by people in masks with bandages on their hands. There is increasing lawlessness against the citizens of Ukraine. They dismiss top army officers. Those who do not want that oppose the use of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the south-east of the country against the civilian population. Think about it! They want to put an army under the banner of Bandera and provoke a civil war. They want to include militants from nationalist organisations in the Armed Forces and give them weapons.

I want to ask the patrons of these dark forces in the West: have you gone blind? Have you lost memory? Have you forgotten what fascism is? But I’m sure the officers and soldiers of Ukraine know, unlike you, respected ministers of European countries who have signed the [February 21, 2014 agreement] not for my own assurances but to guarantee peace in Ukraine and have trampled this document. Unlike the gang of scoundrels, who gave orders to fire on their own on Maidan, the soldiers and officers understand what you stand for and will not carry out your criminal orders.

I want to remind everyone that I remain the sole legitimate President of Ukraine and the Supreme Commander [of the Armed Forces]. I did not give up my powers early. I am alive! I have not been impeached in accordance with the Constitution of Ukraine.

The United States and other countries insist that I, as President, allegedly lost legitimacy because I fled the country. I repeat:, I’m not copping out. When armed radicals captured government buildings and the Presidential Administration, through what was, in fact, and unconstitutional seizure of power, I was, as you all know, in Ukraine – in Kharkiv, then in Donetsk, and then in Crimea. Once again, during the revolution, I did not leave the territory of Ukraine. There were repeated attempts to use terrorist methods and actions against me. They all failed. As soon as circumstances permit, and I am sure it won’t take long, I will return to Kyiv.

I declare that the presidential elections, which were announced for May 25, 2014, after power was seized in an unconstitutional coup, are absolutely not legitimate and are not legal. They do not comply with Article 103 of the Constitution of Ukraine. Any government that will be formed as a result of these unlawful elections will also be illegitimate and illegal. In addition to [questions of] their legal legitimacy, it is clear that these so-called elections will take place, if they will, in an atmosphere of total control by extremist forces. I appeal to the international community. Banditry and unconstitutional coups must not be supported or encouraged.

By the way, everyone knows how the U.S. government intends to allocate one billion dollars to this gangster regime. As far as I know, Article 84 22, Chapter 22, USC of US law prohibits the provision of financial assistance to the government of any state with an illegally elected president or where a legitimately elected president was deposed in a military coup or by any other illegal decision. I intend to address Congress, the Senate and the Supreme Court of the United States with an urgent proposal for a legal assessment of the actions of that government. You have no right, under your own laws, to allocate money to bandits. [Ed. This appears to be a reference to 22 U.S. Code Chapter 84]

I want to warn you: there will be a serious deterioration in the socio-economic situation in the country in the near future. This will be a direct blow to the people of Ukraine. The usurpers who have seized power will try to shift responsibility for this onto me. And perhaps even Russia. I will never agree to this. I have nothing to do with it. And I consider their intentions to cut social expenditures, pensions, allowances, and wages inhuman.

I, along with our government, had a clear plan for the preservation of living standards of Ukrainians. Now, unfortunately, after the unconstitutional coup, after the usurpers have seized power, this has become impossible.



And you, who have seized power illegally, with orders to shoot at people, sooner or later, or rather sooner, you will have to answer – answer for the suffering of the people.

Ukraine is going through a difficult time. Your actions have led to Crimea breaking away. Even at gunpoint, the population of the Southeast demands respect for themselves and their rights.

We will overcome this turmoil. The people you fooled will see clearly. The country will rise up and unite. Ukraine’s freedom has not yet perished, nor has her glory.

Thank you for the attention.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:28 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:53 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:
De toespraak van gisteren door comedian Yanukovych:

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http://euromaidanpr.wordp(...)will-return-to-kyiv/

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Tibetan-Government-in-exile is hopeful of enhancing bilateral ties with the United States after the recent meeting of President Barack Obama and Dalai Lama at the White House despite warnings from Beijing that the meeting with the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader would 'seriously damage' ties with Washington.

Tibetan government in-exile spokesperson Tashi Phunstok on Tuesday said that the two leaders discussed issues related to morality and leadership, and how one can produce the new generation of ethical leaders in the 21st century.

"The visit and of course the meeting of His Holiness with President Obama is a positive thing for Tibet and we are delighted with this meeting. It shows that President Obama and his administration and people of United States are supporting Tibet," said Phunstok.

The private meeting lasted about an hour, although the Dalai Lama, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, was not seen by White House photographers as he entered or exited the complex.

The White House sidestepped questions about whether it was worried Obama's meeting - his third with the Dalai Lama - would upset its relationship with China. Analysts said they did not foresee any serious consequences.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:55 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:

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G7 leaders: No recognition of Crimea referendum

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Group of 7 world leaders say they won't recognize results of a referendum for the Crimea region to split from Ukraine and join Russia.

A statement from the seven nations released from the White House on Wednesday calls on Russia "to cease all efforts to change the status of Crimea contrary to Ukrainian law and in violation of international law." It says the referendum scheduled for this weekend "would have no legal effect" and the process is deeply flawed.

The leaders said they would take further action, individually and collectively, if Russia tries to annex Crimea.

The statement was from the leaders of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Britain and the United States, along with the European Council and the European Commission.

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar(...)on-crimea-referendum

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Summary.

Discussions with a wide range of contacts in Crimea November 20-22 and officials in Kyiv discounted recent speculation that a return of pro-Russian separatism in Crimea, which posed a real threat to Ukrainian territorial integrity in 1994-95, could be in the cards. However, nearly all contended that pro-Russian forces in Crimea, acting with funding and direction from Moscow, have systematically attempted to increase communal tensions in Crimea in the two years since the Orange Revolution. They have done so by cynically fanning ethnic Russian chauvinism towards Crimean Tatars and ethnic Ukrainians, through manipulation of issues like the status of the Russian language, NATO, and an alleged Tatar threat to "Slavs," in a deliberate effort to destabilize Crimea, weaken Ukraine, and prevent Ukraine's movement west into institutions like NATO and the EU. While the total number of pro-Russian activists in Crimea is relatively low, the focus is on shaping public perceptions and controlling the information space, so far with success.

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Recent Russian actions have spurred a public discussion within the Ukrainian elite about Russian intentions toward Ukraine. The most systematic contribution to the debate has been made by former National Security Advisor Volodymyr Horbulin, who believes that internal Russian considerations are pushing Russia toward a confrontation with Ukraine prior to the expiration of the Black Sea Fleet basing agreement in 2017. Some of our contacts have echoed and even amplified Horbulin's sense of alarm; others have downplayed the risk of armed conflict while remaining concerned about the general trajectory of Russian-Ukrainian relations. The overall impression is that Russian military action against Ukraine, while still unlikely, is no longer unthinkable. End summary.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 15:55 schreef Zith het volgende:


Iemand moet deze diplomaat een sticker geven, in 2009...

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http://cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=09KYIV1740&q=crimea

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 15:37 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Ik ben het met je eens, ik heb nergens gezegd dat ik IK vind dat het geen inval is. Ik zeg alleen dat als deze TT niet objectief is dan is de TT over dat er een inval zou zijn ook niet objectief.