Crisis in Oekraïne #48 'Merica overtreedt eigen wet

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:07 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Normaal is de OVSE de aangewezen organisatie om waarnemers te sturen, volgens mij nemen die overal verkiezingen waar, zelfs hier in Nederland. Eerst zegt Rusland dat ze de OVSE gevraagd hebben, die ontkennen dat vervolgens, en nu vraagt Rusland specifiek de eurosceptische fracties in het EP....dus waarnemers ok, maar alleen als ze Rusland-vriendelijk zijn... Misschien iets voor bepaalde users hier?

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:12 schreef Saekerhett het volgende:
*overtreedt

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 12:37 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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tja de ego he. Met wie is putin het wel gezind? Slechts met een paar dubieuze staten die op 1 hand te tellen zijn met dictoriale vrijheids beperkingen.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 12:43 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)digen_PVV_uit__.html

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:23 schreef kurk_droog het volgende:

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:07 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Normaal is de OVSE de aangewezen organisatie om waarnemers te sturen, volgens mij nemen die overal verkiezingen waar, zelfs hier in Nederland. Eerst zegt Rusland dat ze de OVSE gevraagd hebben, die ontkennen dat vervolgens, en nu vraagt Rusland specifiek de eurosceptische fracties in het EP....dus waarnemers ok, maar alleen als ze Rusland-vriendelijk zijn... Misschien iets voor bepaalde users hier?

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De Organisatie voor Veiligheid en Samenwerking in Europa (OVSE) zal geen waarnemers naar het omstreden Krim-referendum op zondag sturen. Dat zegt woordvoerder van het OVSE-kantoor voor mensenrechten, Thomas Rymer, dinsdag. 'We hebben geen uitnodiging ontvangen.' Het pro-Russische parlement heeft de Krim dinsdag formeel onafhankelijk verklaard.

Sergej Aksjonov, regeringsleider op de Krim, zei maandag nog dat hij waarnemers van de organisatie verwacht. Hij had naar eigen zeggen Zwitserland, dat momenteel voorzitter is van de OVSE, een uitnodiging gestuurd, maar dat erkent de organisatie niet.

Zo’n uitnodiging moet immers van de officiële Oekraïense regering in Kiev komen. Het schierieland geldt niet als een OVSE-lidstaat, die uitnodigingen kan uitsturen, aldus Rymer.

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Don't expect the OSCE to send observers. A spokeswoman for the OSCE said that Crimea could not invite observers since it was not a state and therefore not a member of the organization: ""As far as we know, Crimea is not a participating state of the OSCE, so it would be sort of hard for them to invite us,"
" It was not hard for the Crimea to invite the observers. They just did. What is hard is for the OSCE to accept it. It would not be hard for the OSCE to ask permission to send military monitors to the Crimea either but rather than do that they would rather try to send in monitors uninvited three times risking a serious confrontation at the border.
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Yanukovych: I am alive, I am the legitimate President, and I will return to Kyiv

Dear representatives of the media, dear compatriots.

First, because all sorts of rumors have been circulating about me in Ukraine, I would like to say that I am alive, although I cannot say that I feel good because I cannot watch what is happening in Ukraine without a feeling of deep and terrible alarm.

Behind the curtain of some kind of supposedly legitimate government, there is a gang of ultra-nationalists and neo-fascists who are already tagged for the presidency. They capture local governments by force. They fire police and security service executives not only in the centre in Kiev, but also in the regions. Cities are patrolled by people in masks with bandages on their hands. There is increasing lawlessness against the citizens of Ukraine. They dismiss top army officers. Those who do not want that oppose the use of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the south-east of the country against the civilian population. Think about it! They want to put an army under the banner of Bandera and provoke a civil war. They want to include militants from nationalist organisations in the Armed Forces and give them weapons.

I want to ask the patrons of these dark forces in the West: have you gone blind? Have you lost memory? Have you forgotten what fascism is? But I’m sure the officers and soldiers of Ukraine know, unlike you, respected ministers of European countries who have signed the [February 21, 2014 agreement] not for my own assurances but to guarantee peace in Ukraine and have trampled this document. Unlike the gang of scoundrels, who gave orders to fire on their own on Maidan, the soldiers and officers understand what you stand for and will not carry out your criminal orders.

I want to remind everyone that I remain the sole legitimate President of Ukraine and the Supreme Commander [of the Armed Forces]. I did not give up my powers early. I am alive! I have not been impeached in accordance with the Constitution of Ukraine.

The United States and other countries insist that I, as President, allegedly lost legitimacy because I fled the country. I repeat:, I’m not copping out. When armed radicals captured government buildings and the Presidential Administration, through what was, in fact, and unconstitutional seizure of power, I was, as you all know, in Ukraine – in Kharkiv, then in Donetsk, and then in Crimea. Once again, during the revolution, I did not leave the territory of Ukraine. There were repeated attempts to use terrorist methods and actions against me. They all failed. As soon as circumstances permit, and I am sure it won’t take long, I will return to Kyiv.

I declare that the presidential elections, which were announced for May 25, 2014, after power was seized in an unconstitutional coup, are absolutely not legitimate and are not legal. They do not comply with Article 103 of the Constitution of Ukraine. Any government that will be formed as a result of these unlawful elections will also be illegitimate and illegal. In addition to [questions of] their legal legitimacy, it is clear that these so-called elections will take place, if they will, in an atmosphere of total control by extremist forces. I appeal to the international community. Banditry and unconstitutional coups must not be supported or encouraged.

By the way, everyone knows how the U.S. government intends to allocate one billion dollars to this gangster regime. As far as I know, Article 84 22, Chapter 22, USC of US law prohibits the provision of financial assistance to the government of any state with an illegally elected president or where a legitimately elected president was deposed in a military coup or by any other illegal decision. I intend to address Congress, the Senate and the Supreme Court of the United States with an urgent proposal for a legal assessment of the actions of that government. You have no right, under your own laws, to allocate money to bandits. [Ed. This appears to be a reference to 22 U.S. Code Chapter 84]

I want to warn you: there will be a serious deterioration in the socio-economic situation in the country in the near future. This will be a direct blow to the people of Ukraine. The usurpers who have seized power will try to shift responsibility for this onto me. And perhaps even Russia. I will never agree to this. I have nothing to do with it. And I consider their intentions to cut social expenditures, pensions, allowances, and wages inhuman.

I, along with our government, had a clear plan for the preservation of living standards of Ukrainians. Now, unfortunately, after the unconstitutional coup, after the usurpers have seized power, this has become impossible.



And you, who have seized power illegally, with orders to shoot at people, sooner or later, or rather sooner, you will have to answer – answer for the suffering of the people.

Ukraine is going through a difficult time. Your actions have led to Crimea breaking away. Even at gunpoint, the population of the Southeast demands respect for themselves and their rights.

We will overcome this turmoil. The people you fooled will see clearly. The country will rise up and unite. Ukraine’s freedom has not yet perished, nor has her glory.

Thank you for the attention.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:28 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:53 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:
De toespraak van gisteren door comedian Yanukovych:

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http://euromaidanpr.wordp(...)will-return-to-kyiv/

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Tibetan-Government-in-exile is hopeful of enhancing bilateral ties with the United States after the recent meeting of President Barack Obama and Dalai Lama at the White House despite warnings from Beijing that the meeting with the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader would 'seriously damage' ties with Washington.

Tibetan government in-exile spokesperson Tashi Phunstok on Tuesday said that the two leaders discussed issues related to morality and leadership, and how one can produce the new generation of ethical leaders in the 21st century.

"The visit and of course the meeting of His Holiness with President Obama is a positive thing for Tibet and we are delighted with this meeting. It shows that President Obama and his administration and people of United States are supporting Tibet," said Phunstok.

The private meeting lasted about an hour, although the Dalai Lama, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, was not seen by White House photographers as he entered or exited the complex.

The White House sidestepped questions about whether it was worried Obama's meeting - his third with the Dalai Lama - would upset its relationship with China. Analysts said they did not foresee any serious consequences.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 13:55 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:

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G7 leaders: No recognition of Crimea referendum

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Group of 7 world leaders say they won't recognize results of a referendum for the Crimea region to split from Ukraine and join Russia.

A statement from the seven nations released from the White House on Wednesday calls on Russia "to cease all efforts to change the status of Crimea contrary to Ukrainian law and in violation of international law." It says the referendum scheduled for this weekend "would have no legal effect" and the process is deeply flawed.

The leaders said they would take further action, individually and collectively, if Russia tries to annex Crimea.

The statement was from the leaders of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Britain and the United States, along with the European Council and the European Commission.

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar(...)on-crimea-referendum

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Summary.

Discussions with a wide range of contacts in Crimea November 20-22 and officials in Kyiv discounted recent speculation that a return of pro-Russian separatism in Crimea, which posed a real threat to Ukrainian territorial integrity in 1994-95, could be in the cards. However, nearly all contended that pro-Russian forces in Crimea, acting with funding and direction from Moscow, have systematically attempted to increase communal tensions in Crimea in the two years since the Orange Revolution. They have done so by cynically fanning ethnic Russian chauvinism towards Crimean Tatars and ethnic Ukrainians, through manipulation of issues like the status of the Russian language, NATO, and an alleged Tatar threat to "Slavs," in a deliberate effort to destabilize Crimea, weaken Ukraine, and prevent Ukraine's movement west into institutions like NATO and the EU. While the total number of pro-Russian activists in Crimea is relatively low, the focus is on shaping public perceptions and controlling the information space, so far with success.

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Recent Russian actions have spurred a public discussion within the Ukrainian elite about Russian intentions toward Ukraine. The most systematic contribution to the debate has been made by former National Security Advisor Volodymyr Horbulin, who believes that internal Russian considerations are pushing Russia toward a confrontation with Ukraine prior to the expiration of the Black Sea Fleet basing agreement in 2017. Some of our contacts have echoed and even amplified Horbulin's sense of alarm; others have downplayed the risk of armed conflict while remaining concerned about the general trajectory of Russian-Ukrainian relations. The overall impression is that Russian military action against Ukraine, while still unlikely, is no longer unthinkable. End summary.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 15:55 schreef Zith het volgende:


Iemand moet deze diplomaat een sticker geven, in 2009...

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http://cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=09KYIV1740&q=crimea

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 15:37 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Ik ben het met je eens, ik heb nergens gezegd dat ik IK vind dat het geen inval is. Ik zeg alleen dat als deze TT niet objectief is dan is de TT over dat er een inval zou zijn ook niet objectief.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 16:04 schreef DeJori het volgende:
Interessant opiniestuk over precedentschepping door de situatie op de Krim voor Asië:
http://www.aljazeera.com/(...)431152920241884.html

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 12:34 schreef DeJori het volgende:

Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine (Dispatch Six)

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General Dempsey: US ready for military response to Russia if Crimean conflict escalates

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States General Martin Dempsey has claimed that in the case of an escalation of unrest in Crimea, the U.S. Army is ready to back up Ukraine and its allies in Europe with military actions.

According to the Web site of the Atlantic Council, Dempsey said that "he's been talking to his military counterparts in Russia, but he's also sending a clear message to Ukraine and members of NATO that the U.S. military will respond militarily if necessary."

"We're trying to tell [Russia] not to escalate this thing further into Eastern Ukraine, and allow the conditions to be set for some kind of resolution in Crimea. We do have treaty obligations with our NATO allies. And I have assured them that if that treaty obligation is triggered [in Europe], we would respond," Dempsey said.

According to the General, the incursion of Russian troops into the Crimea creates risks for all the countries of Europe and NATO allies.

"If Russia is allowed to do this, which is to say move into a sovereign country under the guise of protecting ethnic Russians in Ukraine, it exposes Eastern Europe to some significant risk, because there are ethnic enclaves all over Eastern Europe and the Balkans," Dempsey said.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 16:33 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:

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http://www.kyivpost.com/c(...)scalates-339144.html

En Vice bestaat vrijwel uitsluitend uit helden en bikkels Ze maken daar echt geniale reportages en wagen zich waar de meeste journalisten niet eens durven te komen.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 07:59 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
Sadpanda, als het geen inval is, waar komen die extra militairen en vele pantserwagens dan ineens vandaan? En is het niet verdacht dat ze geen embleem op hun uniformen hebben?

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Ukroblogger twitterde op woensdag 12-03-2014 om 16:06:49 Full-scale mainland assault on #Ukraine under way,says fmr deputy general staff chief #RussiaInvasion #Russia #Crimea http://t.co/Y8BthqKE2S reageer retweet

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shustry twitterde op woensdag 12-03-2014 om 16:57:31 Really sad day for journalism in Russia. Two of its best reporters, @A3AP of Lenta.ru and @aakarimova of Kommersant, quit over censorship reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 16:39 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Interne politiek. Ze willen graag bezuinigen op defensie in de US en de republikeinen maken graag gebruik van situaties als de Krim om daar tegenin te gaan.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 17:15 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:

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Ukroblogger twitterde op woensdag 12-03-2014 om 16:06:49 Full-scale mainland assault on #Ukraine under way,says fmr deputy general staff chief #RussiaInvasion #Russia #Crimea http://t.co/Y8BthqKE2S reageer retweet

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shustry twitterde op woensdag 12-03-2014 om 16:57:31 Really sad day for journalism in Russia. Two of its best reporters, @A3AP of Lenta.ru and @aakarimova of Kommersant, quit over censorship reageer retweet

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Als een reactie van de VS/NAVO/EU uitblijft bij verdere escalatie, kun je deze net zo goed vandaag al opdoeken.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 15:46 schreef Zith het volgende:
In 2006 hadden de diplomaten het al over de stappen die Rusland zet Crimea over te nemen ...De wikileaks:

http://cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=06KYIV4489

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 17:46 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
220.000 russische soldaten op de grens met Oekraïne...

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 17:47 schreef Infection het volgende:

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Bron?

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 17:46 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
220.000 russische soldaten op de grens met Oekraïne...

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 08:12 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Heeft geen zin joh... SP is niet vatbaar voor hetgeen je met je eigen ogen kan zien. Voor mensen die wel voor rede vatbaar zijn is het overduidelijk dat Rusland de Krim heeft over genomen op een manier die ik in de internationale politiek nog nooit gezien heb.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 17:51 schreef ellevehC86 het volgende:

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Luke Skywalker

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 17:52 schreef Viajero het volgende:

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Inderdaad. Geen schoten gelost, geen bruiloftfeesten gebombardeerd, geen gelul over democratie brengen en ons beschermen tegen terroristen...

Op die manier heb ik het ook nog niet gezien.

Een stuk prettiger dan de VS/VK manier wel eigenlijk.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 17:46 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
220.000 russische soldaten op de grens met Oekraïne...

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 17:56 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Kan me vergissen, maar ik herinner me jou niet meteen als iemand met linkse overtuigingen? Of het moet het user icon zijn..

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 17:15 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:

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Ukroblogger twitterde op woensdag 12-03-2014 om 16:06:49 Full-scale mainland assault on #Ukraine under way,says fmr deputy general staff chief #RussiaInvasion #Russia #Crimea http://t.co/Y8BthqKE2S reageer retweet

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shustry twitterde op woensdag 12-03-2014 om 16:57:31 Really sad day for journalism in Russia. Two of its best reporters, @A3AP of Lenta.ru and @aakarimova of Kommersant, quit over censorship reageer retweet

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Als een reactie van de VS/NAVO/EU uitblijft bij verdere escalatie, kun je deze net zo goed vandaag al opdoeken.

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Recall that in September last year, in the midst of the election campaign for mayor of Moscow, Alexander Mamut has decided to dismiss the chief editor of the online publication "Times", which is also owned by "Bill-Rambler-SUP». On election day, September 8 Lolaeva Svetlana, who worked in publishing since 2007 and served as chief editor in March 2013, was dismissed, and its place was taken by Svetlana Babayeva. From 2000 to 2004 she headed the political department in the newspaper "Izvestia", subsequently worked in various positions in the newspaper "Moscow News" and the magazine "Profil", she also wrote a column on the site author "RIA Novosti".

Employees themselves Lenta.ru published online an open letter , which referred to the dismissal and appointment Galina Timchenko chief editor Alexei Goreslavskaya "not standard castling" and "direct pressure on the editor." "Dismissal of an independent chief editor and managed the appointment, including directly from the Kremlin offices, man - it is a violation of the law on the media talking about the inadmissibility of censorship," - said a number of employees Lenta.ru. According to them, over the last couple of years the space of free journalism in Russia "dramatically decreased." "The trouble is that you seem to have nothing more to read" - write Publishing employees. As told "Kommersant" one of the journalists, "almost" means a statement of journalists care workers signed it, but this is not officially announced.

"It fits in the line of what is happening with the media - reduces the number of independent media, those who somehow contain pluralistic content," - said "Y" the former secretary of the Union of Journalists Igor Yakovenko. According to him, now an increasing number of state-owned media and those publications that are always ready to support "the state line." According to him, in the near future will decline in ratings and audience Lenta.ru. Now Lenta.ru, according to counter Liveinternet, a 20-line in attendance among all sites of the Russian segment of the Internet. Over the last month Lenta.ru visited more than 14 million users.

"I would like to warn some experts from excessively negative assessment Alexei Goreslavskaya persecutor as freedom of speech and the Kremlin propagandist, he is not," - said Alexander Shmelev independent publicist. At the same time, in his opinion, regardless of personal desires or Mr. Goreslavskaya Mr Mamut, "Lenta.ru with both independent publication is finished." He believes that the editorial policy Lenta.ru change as rapidly as it has changed from "Gazety.Ru".

In turn, the president of the Association of Internet publishers Ivan Zassoursky noted that the brand has Lenta.ru "force and inertia," and its focus will not change immediately. According to him, not once will change and the audience publications. «Lenta.ru in recent years has become a high-quality publication, and it is difficult to mess up," - said Mr. Zassoursky.

Before dismissing Galina Timchenko became known that today issued a warning Roscomnadzor Lenta.ru: March 10 edition published an interview with the head of the Kiev branch of the Ukrainian movement "Right sector" Andrei Tarasenko, which referred to a material "Sooner or later, we are doomed to fight with Moscow empire "the leader of the nationalist movement Dmitry Yarosh. Timchenko said that the material will be removed from the site, but the decision Roskomnadzora edition intends to contest.

As stated in the Roscomnadzor warning was issued for the accommodation of extremist material. Recall, the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation Dmitry Yarosh filed against criminal charges for calls to terrorist activities, it announced an international search, and this morning Moscow Basmanny Court issued a warrant for his arrest in absentia. "This is the first warning to us in the last 15 years" - said "b" Timchenko. She reported that the reference to material which, according Roskomnadzora, an extremist, will be removed from the text of the interview. In this article Dmitry Jarosz "Sooner or later, we are doomed to fight with Moscow empire" is not in the list of extremist materials on the Ministry of Justice website.

In accordance with the law "On mass media" if the publication receives two written warnings from Roskomnadzora within 12 months, the agency filed a lawsuit to stop the certificate of registration of mass media.

As "Rain" received prophylactic letter Roskomnadzora

January 30 Roscomnadzor directed channel "Rain" letter in connection with the anniversary of the controversial poll lift the blockade of Leningrad, which states that the channel had violated Art. 49 of the media law. Meanwhile, St. Petersburg Prosecutor's Office has started testing the survey, suspecting him of extremism. Read more

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 17:59 schreef Viajero het volgende:

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Ik ben die user die weigert te geloven in die hele links/rechts onzin.

Als een meerderheid van de mensen in een gebied bij Land A wil horen en niet bij land B, of helemaal onafhankelijk, dan moet dat na een referendum kunnen. Of het nou de Krim, Schotland, Catalonie, Kosovo, Chechenie, de Falklands, Friesland of waar dan ook is.

Het weigeren van zo'n referendum maakt je wmb een fascistische onderdrukker staat. Spanje, Argentinie, Oekraine en Rusland vallen onder andere in die categorie.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 17:51 schreef chroestjov het volgende:

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 18:24 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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De wereld veranderd in chaos alsje kleine gebieden met een meerderheid laat stemmen. Van waar stem je dan? Per dorp of gemeente? Canadese gebieden waar fransen wonen bij Frankrijk stoppen?? Het buitenland veroveren door te emigreren en het te claimen daarna? Oude kolonies claimen omdat ze daar jouw taal spreken?? Wat jijverzint werkt dus niet in de praktijk en zou ook niet mogen.

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Oude kolonies claimen omdat ze daar jouw taal spreken?

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 18:28 schreef Viajero het volgende:

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Waarom zou dat chaos worden?

Het beslissen over de grenzen van een gebied, en wie stemrecht heeft, is inderdaad lastig. Maar zeker niet onmogelijk, en wmb zeker beter dan mensen tegen hun wil in een land houden.

In Quebec zijn trouwens al meerdere referenda geweest, ze stemmen daar telkens weer nipt voor bij Canada blijven ipv onafhankelijkheid. Voor bij Frankrijk horen is voor zover ik weet nauwelijks animo.

En het werkt zeker in de praktijk. In Tsjechie en Slowakije ging het prima bijvoorbeeld. Waarom zou jij die twee landen bij elkaar willen dwingen?

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 18:28 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Rt lult onzin. Ik geloof eerder de rest van de wereld dan slechts rusland.

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 18:30 schreef magnetronkoffie het volgende:

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Ik vind dat firefly wel een punt heeft. Waar leg je de grens? Bij een bepaald aantal 4-kante km? Vanaf een bepaald aantal mensen?

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Op woensdag 12 maart 2014 18:32 schreef Viajero het volgende:

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Ja, dat zijn inderdaad lastige vragen.

Maar jij wilt dus gewoon mensen dwingen deel te zijn van een land dat ze niet willen, omdat er wat lastige vragen zijn?