Digitaal geld Bitcoin #37 | Die $266 zien we nooit meer terug.

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Op donderdag 15 augustus 2013 11:15 schreef MissionPhailed het volgende:
Koers van PXC t.o.v BTC is vooralsnog bedroevend; veelal 0,00016 tot 0,00020 terwijl ik 1154 stuks inkocht op 0,00045. Ga ze overigens niet van de hand doen, misschien is dit een gevalletje lange termijn ... ?

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Op woensdag 14 augustus 2013 23:19 schreef r8v2 het volgende:
Hoezo dumpen?

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Op maandag 19 augustus 2013 08:48 schreef AlfredJKwak5 het volgende:
Op nu.nl is net wel een artikel verschenen.
http://www.nu.nl/tech/355(...)ls-betaalmiddel.html

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Op maandag 19 augustus 2013 10:03 schreef SeLang het volgende:
O jee, dat is het begin van het einde...

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Op maandag 19 augustus 2013 09:45 schreef Tourniquet het volgende:
$20 spread tussen MtGox en Bitstamp.

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Op maandag 19 augustus 2013 10:35 schreef AlfredJKwak5 het volgende:

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Waarom denk je dat?
Dat ze de coins erkennen is 1 ding. Maar controleren en reguleren is niet mogelijk dus ik zie het probleem niet.

Ja ik zie wel een probleem voor mensen die zaken doen met bitcoins, en dat is dat die mensen nu belastingplichtig worden. Maar dan nog, de traceerbaarheid is en blijft lastig. (maar wel haalbaar, geloof me)

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Op maandag 19 augustus 2013 10:35 schreef AlfredJKwak5 het volgende:
Arbitrage!!!

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Op maandag 19 augustus 2013 16:18 schreef AlfredJKwak5 het volgende:
@SeLang:
Bedankt voor je uitleg, zo had ik het niet bekeken.

@µ:
Met arbitrage bedoel ik ook niet het opnemen van geld, maar het transporteren ervan. Je koopt bij MtGox bijvoorbeeld 10 bitcoins, die transporteer je naar bitstamp en daar zet je ze om naar Usd. die Usd zet je weer over naar MtGox en daar koop je weer bitcoins van. Dit grapje herhaal je totdat het niet meer loont.

Misschien dta je gelijk hebt hoor, ik weet niet of MtGox misschien weer beperkingen heeft. Ik ben daar uit ellende juist weggegaan. Dus misschien gaat mijn verhaal even helemaal niet op nu.

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Op maandag 19 augustus 2013 10:50 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Je ziet toch wel waar dit naartoe gaat? Het niet melden van transacties wordt een misdaad.

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Daarmee vervalt elk voordeel voor bonafide business en klanten voor het gebruik van Bitcoin tov reguliere currencies.

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Op maandag 19 augustus 2013 16:32 schreef µ het volgende:
Ik weet wat arbitrage is ja. Je wil verkopen op mtgox, want daar is de prijz hoger. Dat geld kun je er alleen niet/slecht 'uit halen'/opnemen. Dat bedoelde ik .

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Op maandag 19 augustus 2013 16:32 schreef µ het volgende:

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Ik weet wat arbitrage is ja. Je wil verkopen op mtgox, want daar is de prijz hoger. Dat geld kun je er alleen niet/slecht 'uit halen'/opnemen. Dat bedoelde ik .

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Op dinsdag 20 augustus 2013 16:01 schreef mike-amersfoort het volgende:
De prijs op MtGox loopt op, omdat niemand bereid is daar voor minder te verkopen, omdat het geld er moeilijk af te halen is?
Aan de andere kant, waarom daalt de prijs niet, als je zou willen kopen kun je dat op allerlei andere plekken, dus zou je er op MtGox toch geen $120 voor geven?

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Op dinsdag 20 augustus 2013 21:12 schreef µ het volgende:
Algemene prijs gaat wel omhoog. Al een tijdje $100+ op bitstamp .

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Op woensdag 21 augustus 2013 19:22 schreef Tourniquet het volgende:

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Het stijgt weer goed door ja, inmiddels tegen de $110 aan. Waardoor zou dat komen? Toch niet door die uitspraak van die Duitse minister?

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Op woensdag 21 augustus 2013 19:24 schreef µ het volgende:

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Media attention weer...

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Op zaterdag 24 augustus 2013 12:39 schreef -jos- het volgende:
Even dit topic volgen hoor, ik denk dat het momenteel wel een goed moment is om in Bitcoins te investeren.

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Op zaterdag 24 augustus 2013 14:34 schreef µ het volgende:

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Op zaterdag 24 augustus 2013 14:56 schreef -jos- het volgende:
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Ik heb de client gedownload, hij is nu aan het synchroniseren met het netwerk. Duurt wel ff zo te zien...

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Maar zo te zien moet ik naast de client ook nog een soort Bitcoin Exchange zoeken zodat ik geld kan storten naar de client o.i.d.? Hoe werkt dat precies?

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Overigens zat ik wat te surfen en kwam ik deze grafiek tegen:

http://blockchain.info/charts/miners-operating-profit-margin

Ofwel, het minen van Bitcoins is nu helemaal niet meer profitabel? Waarom minen mensen dan nog steeds?

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Op zaterdag 24 augustus 2013 18:35 schreef µ het volgende:
Difficulty nu op 65,750,060. Dat is +29.4%.

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Op zaterdag 24 augustus 2013 14:56 schreef -jos- het volgende:

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Ik heb de client gedownload, hij is nu aan het synchroniseren met het netwerk. Duurt wel ff zo te zien...

Maar zo te zien moet ik naast de client ook nog een soort Bitcoin Exchange zoeken zodat ik geld kan storten naar de client o.i.d.? Hoe werkt dat precies?

Overigens zat ik wat te surfen en kwam ik deze grafiek tegen:

http://blockchain.info/charts/miners-operating-profit-margin

Ofwel, het minen van Bitcoins is nu helemaal niet meer profitabel? Waarom minen mensen dan nog steeds?

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Op zondag 25 augustus 2013 12:08 schreef µ het volgende:
Broertje vroeg of ik paypal had om voor de humble bundle te betalen. Blijk je ook met bitcoin te kunnen betalen .

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Op maandag 26 augustus 2013 20:21 schreef µ het volgende:
Bitstamp is nu de default op bitcoinity .

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Op maandag 26 augustus 2013 22:23 schreef Tourniquet het volgende:

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Volgens mij laat hij de laatste die je hebt bekeken zien.

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Op zaterdag 24 augustus 2013 12:39 schreef -jos- het volgende:
Even dit topic volgen hoor, ik denk dat het momenteel wel een goed moment is om in Bitcoins te investeren.

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Op woensdag 28 augustus 2013 08:40 schreef -jos- het volgende:

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Bitcoin is alweer 10% gestegen sinds ik dit zei...

Ik heb mijn Bitcoin client gesynchroniseerd en wil wat gaan kopen. Ik hoorde over https://bitonic.nl/index waar je met iDeal kunt kopen. Maar zo te zien betaal je ongeveer 2,5% fee hier. Zijn er nog andere makkelijke/betere manieren die minder kosten?

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Op vrijdag 30 augustus 2013 17:46 schreef EugeneKrabs het volgende:

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happycoins.nl was goedkoper een paar maanden terug, maar nu zijn ze duurder dan bitonic..

bitcoin.de is iets goedkoper dan bitonic, maar je moet je account wel bevestigen met een code die ze versturen door 1 cent naar je rekening over te maken.

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I am a time-traveler from the future, here to beg you to stop what you are doing.

I am sending this message from the year 2025. Things are looking bleak here, and some of you will carry blood on your hands.

If you don't believe me, please move on, as I have no way of proving to you I'm really who I claim to be.

I don't want to waste any of your time, so I'm merely going to explain what happened.

On average, every year so far, the value of Bitcoin has increased by about a factor ten. From 0.1 dollar in 2010, to 1 dollar in 2011, to 10 dollar in 2012, to 100 dollar in 2013. From now on, there's a slight slowdown, as the value increased by a factor ten every two years, to 1,000 dollar in 2015, to 10,000 in 2017, 100,000 in 2019, and 1,000,000 in 2021. From here onwards, there's no good way of expressing its value in dollars, as the dollar is no longer used, nor is any central bank issued currency for that matter. There are two main forms of wealth in today's world. Land and cryptocurrency.

There are just over 19 million Bitcoin known to be used in the world today, as well as a few hundred thousand that were permanently lost, and we're still dealing with a population of just over 7 billion people today. On average, this means the average person owns just under 0.003 bitcoin. However, due to the unequal distribution of wealth in my world, the mean person owns just 0.001 bitcoin. That's right, most of you reading this today are rich. I personally live next to an annoying young man who logged into his old Reddit account two years ago and discovered that he received a tip of 0.01 Bitcoin back in 2013 for calling someone a "faggot" when he was a 16 year old boy. Upon making this discovery he bought an airline ticket, left his house without telling anyone anything and went to a Citadel.

"What is a Citadel?" you might wonder. Well, by the time Bitcoin became worth 1,000 dollar, services began to emerge for the "Bitcoin rich" to protect themselves as well as their wealth. It started with expensive safes, then began to include bodyguards, and today, "earlies" (our term for early adapters), as well as those rich whose wealth survived the "transition" live in isolated gated cities called Citadels, where most work is automated. Most such Citadels are born out of the fortification used to protect places where Bitcoin mining machines are located. The company known as ASICminer to you is known to me as a city where Mr. Friedman rules as a king.

In my world, soon to be your world, most governments no longer exist, as Bitcoin transactions are done anonymously and thus most governments can enforce no taxation on their citizens. Most of the success of Bitcoin is due to the fact that Bitcoin turned out to be an effective method to hide your wealth from the government. Whereas people entering "rogue states" like Luxemberg, Monaco and Liechtenstein were followed by unmanned drones to ensure that governments know who is hiding wealth, no such option was available to stop people from hiding their money in Bitcoin.

Governments tried to stay relevant in my society by buying Bitcoin, which just made the problem worse, by increasing the value of Bitcoin. Governments did so in secret of course, but my generation's "Snowdens" are in fact greedy government employees who transferred Bitcoin to their own private account, and escaped to anarchic places where no questions are asked as long as you can cough up some money.

The four institutions with the largest still accessible Bitcoin balance are believed to be as following:

-ASICminer - 50,000 Bitcoin

-The IMF's "currency stabilization fund" - 70,000 Bitcoin

-Government of Saudi Arabia - 110,000 Bitcoin

-The North Korean government - 180,000 Bitcoin

Economic growth today is about -2% per year. Why is this? If you own more than 0.01 Bitcoin, chances are you don't do anything with your money. There is no inflation, and thus no incentive to invest your money. Just like the medieval ages had no significant economic growth, as wealth was measured in gold, our society has no economic growth either, as people know their 0.01 Bitcoin will be enough to last them a lifetime. The fact that there are still new Bitcoin released is what prevents our world from collapse so far it seems, but people fear that the decline in inflation that will occur during the next block halving may further wreck our economy.

What happened to the Winklevoss twins? The Winklevoss twins were among the first to die. After seeing the enormous damage done to the fabric of society, terrorist movements emerged that sought to hunt down and murder anyone known to have a large balance of Bitcoin, or believed to be responsible in any way for the development of cryptocurrency. Ironically, these terrorist movements use Bitcoin to anonymously fund their operations.

Most people who own any significant amount of Bitcoin no longer speak to their families and lost their friends, because they had to change their identities. There have been also been a few suicides of people who could not handle the guilt after seeing what happened to the bag-holders, the type of skeptical people who continued to believe it would eventually collapse, even after hearing the rumors of governments buying Bitcoin. Many people were taken hostage, and thus, it is suspected that 25% percent of "Bitcoin rich" actually physically tortured someone to get him to spill his password.

Why didn't we abandon Bitcoin, and move to another system? Well, we tried of course. We tried to step over to an inflationary cryptocurrency, but nobody with an IQ above 70 was willing to step up first and volunteer. After all, why would you voluntarily invest a lot of your money into a currency where you know your wealth will continually decline? The thing that made Bitcoin so dangerous to society was also what made it so successful. Bitcoin allows us to give into our greed.

In Africa, surveys show that an estimated 70% of people believe that Bitcoin was invented by the devil himself. There's a reason for this. It's a very sensitive issue that today is generally referred to as "the tragedy". The African Union had ambitious plans to help its citizens be ready to step over to Bitcoin. Governments gave their own citizens cell phones for free, tied to their government ID, and thus government sought to integrate Bitcoin into their economy. All went well, until "the tragedy" that is. A criminal organization, believed to be located in Russia, exploited a hardware fault in the government issued cell phones. It's believed that the entire continent of Africa lost an estimated 60% of its wealth in a period of 48 hours. What followed was a period of chaos and civil war, until the Saudi Arabian and North Korean governments, two of the world's major superpowers due to their authoritarian political system's unique ability to adapt to the "Bitcoin challenge", divided most African land between themselves and were praised as heroes by the local African population for it.

You might wonder, what is our plan now? It's clear that the current situation can not be sustained, without ending in a nuclear holocaust. I am part of an underground network, who seek to launch a coordinated attack against the very infrastructure of the Internet itself. We have at our disposal about 20 nuclear submarines, which we will use to cut all underwater cables between different continents. After this has been successfully achieved, we will launch a simultaneous nuclear pulse attack on every densely population area of the world. We believe that the resulting chaos will allow the world's population to rise up in revolt, and destroy as many computers out there as possible, until we reach the point where Bitcoin loses any relevance.

Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite.

This is also the reason we contacted you.

It doesn't have to be like this. You do not have to share our fate. I don't know how, but you must find a way to destroy this godforsaken project in its infancy. I know this is a difficult thing to ask of you. You believed you were helping the world by eliminating the central banking cartel that governs your economies.

However, I have seen where it ends.