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I will just point out that I believe that, like all the Sabbaths, the 7th day Sabbath was ceremonial. I believe this to be the clear teaching of the Bible. I see Leviticus 23 as very strongly teaching that all the Sabbaths are one unit of ceremonial feasts of the Lord God. For example, at the very beginning of the chapter God calls all Sabbaths, “My feast days” (v. 2). Then Moses begins listing all the Sabbaths God gave to the Israelites. Moses makes absolutely no distinction between the 7th day Sabbath and all the other “feast days”. The chapter concludes, “Thus did Moses announce to the Israelites the feasts of the Lord” (v. 44). I find nothing in this chapter to indicate that the 7th day Sabbath is moral and the other Sabbaths ceremonial. I do not find God making any distinction between the Sabbaths that He calls, “My feast days.”
I believe that the 7th day Sabbath is ceremonial because its restrictions are allowed on other days. To me this clearly indicates that the 7th day Sabbath is ceremonial. The very idea that a moral law can be judged valid or invalid based on what day of the week it happens to be is absurd. A moral law is valid no matter what day of the week it is. Can you imagine adultery being judged as allowable because it happens to be Wednesday? What moral law may one violate 85% of the time and that be acceptable to God?
Also the 7th day Sabbath could be set-aside in order to not violate a ceremonial law. Circumcision was given priority over the Sabbath. If a boy’s 8th day of life was on the Sabbath the ceremonial law of circumcision was performed and the Sabbath violated (John 7:22-23). What moral law could be violated in order to keep a ceremonial law?
God continually grouped the 7th day Sabbath with ceremonial feasts in the Old Testament. Please read 2 Kings 4:23; 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:3-4; 8:13; 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33-34; Isaiah 1: 13-14; 66:23; Ezekiel 45:17; 46:1-7; Hosea 2:11; Amos 8:5. In the New Testament Paul continued this way of seeing all the feasts as one ceremonial unit. Please read Galatians 4:10 & Colossians 2:16. This fact strongly indicates to me that the 7th day Sabbath is ceremonial.
Another strong indicator is that God grouped the 7th day Sabbath with things that could be stopped. “I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed feasts” (Hosea 2:11). As stated in Leviticus 23 God’s feast days included the 7th day Sabbath. What moral law does God ever say He will stop? “Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts my soul hates. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them” (Isaiah 1:14). What moral law does God ever say that He hates?
Just like all the other ceremonial feast days it was absolutely necessary to offer sacrifices in order to properly observe the 7th day Sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10). The 7th day Sabbath was part of the unit or package of ceremonial feast days particular to Israel. Numbers 28 & 29 lists the necessary sacrifices that Israel was to offer each morning and evening, each Sabbath, each New Moon, each Passover, each Pentecost, each New Year’s Day, each Day of Atonement, and each Feast of Booths. What moral law had sacrifices associated with its validity?
To me the passage in question, Exodus 16:16-30, indicates that Moses is delivering something new to the Israelites. For one thing after Moses tells them about the Sabbath they immediately break its restriction (v. 27) so Moses has to tell them again about what they may do and may not do (v. 29). For another thing even though they broke the Sabbath they were not punished. God only rebuked them through Moses. Since it was something knew to them the death penalty was foregone. Later, after the Sabbath became the sign of the covenant given at Sinai being placed in the midst of the Ten Commandments or the covenant document, a man was punished with death for simply picking up some sticks (Numbers 15:32-36).
We should also look beyond Exodus 16 to see what the rest of the Bible has to say about the Sabbath being a Creation Ordinance. What one finds is that there is no biblical evidence that anyone observed the Sabbath prior to Exodus 16. That’s the cold hard fact. Therefore, your belief that the 7th day Sabbath was known to the Israelites before their slavery in Egypt must rest upon unbiblical assumptions. Likewise, those that believe that the Sabbath was instituted at Creation because God “rested” in Genesis 2 also must rely on unbiblical assumptions. The statement in Genesis 2:2-3 does not sound like a command from God at all. Compare “By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done” (Genesis 2:2-3). With “God blessed them and said to them, ‘Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground’" (Genesis 1:28). And “And the LORD God commanded the man, ‘You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die’" (Genesis 2:16-17).
Further there are two places that I know of that give an outline of salvation history. "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses” (Nehemiah 9:13-14). The key here is “made known” This indicates a new thing not “repeated” or “reminded”, but “made known”. The other passage is from Ezekiel. “I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the LORD made them holy” (20:11-12). The keys here are “made known” and “gave them” these indicate that the Israelites never had the Sabbath before this time. This agrees with Paul when he wrote that the Law didn’t come until centuries after Abraham. “My point is this: a covenant (the Abrahamic) formally ratified by God is not set aside as invalid by any law (the Mosaic) that came into being 430 years later, nor is its promise nullified…it (the Mosaic Covenant) was valid only until that descendant or offspring (Jesus) came to whom the promise had been given” (Galatians 3:17, 19). No Sinai Law equals no Sabbath command. Since Jesus has ended the Old Covenant the Sabbath, too, is finished as a binding command.
I have to say in all Christian love that your resorting to saying that people before Moses kept the Sabbath “because the words of Exodus 15:26 are similar to those spoken to Abraham many years previously when God had said: ‘Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.’ Genesis 26:5” is pathetic. Can you see how you are grasping at straws in order to preserve your strongly held belief in opposition to the Bible?
Your argument that if the Sabbath is only for the Jews then so are the rest of the Ten Commandments misunderstands the tablets of stone. The tablets were a covenant document between God and Israel and no one else. The Sabbath was the ceremonial sign of that covenant. The Ten Commandments contain nine moral laws and one ceremonial law. As I have previously shown the Sabbath was that ceremonial sign. The nine moral laws are binding on all people, but the ceremonial sign was a sign between God and Israel only (Exodus 31:13, 16-17; Ezekiel 20:12, 20). It was to show that the Israelites were loyal to that covenant, a covenant that was only between God and Israel.
I believe that the 7th day Sabbath is ceremonial because its restrictions are allowed on other days. To me this clearly indicates that the 7th day Sabbath is ceremonial. The very idea that a moral law can be judged valid or invalid based on what day of the week it happens to be is absurd. A moral law is valid no matter what day of the week it is. Can you imagine adultery being judged as allowable because it happens to be Wednesday? What moral law may one violate 85% of the time and that be acceptable to God?
Also the 7th day Sabbath could be set-aside in order to not violate a ceremonial law. Circumcision was given priority over the Sabbath. If a boy’s 8th day of life was on the Sabbath the ceremonial law of circumcision was performed and the Sabbath violated (John 7:22-23). What moral law could be violated in order to keep a ceremonial law?
God continually grouped the 7th day Sabbath with ceremonial feasts in the Old Testament. Please read 2 Kings 4:23; 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:3-4; 8:13; 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33-34; Isaiah 1: 13-14; 66:23; Ezekiel 45:17; 46:1-7; Hosea 2:11; Amos 8:5. In the New Testament Paul continued this way of seeing all the feasts as one ceremonial unit. Please read Galatians 4:10 & Colossians 2:16. This fact strongly indicates to me that the 7th day Sabbath is ceremonial.
Another strong indicator is that God grouped the 7th day Sabbath with things that could be stopped. “I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed feasts” (Hosea 2:11). As stated in Leviticus 23 God’s feast days included the 7th day Sabbath. What moral law does God ever say He will stop? “Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts my soul hates. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them” (Isaiah 1:14). What moral law does God ever say that He hates?
Just like all the other ceremonial feast days it was absolutely necessary to offer sacrifices in order to properly observe the 7th day Sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10). The 7th day Sabbath was part of the unit or package of ceremonial feast days particular to Israel. Numbers 28 & 29 lists the necessary sacrifices that Israel was to offer each morning and evening, each Sabbath, each New Moon, each Passover, each Pentecost, each New Year’s Day, each Day of Atonement, and each Feast of Booths. What moral law had sacrifices associated with its validity?
To me the passage in question, Exodus 16:16-30, indicates that Moses is delivering something new to the Israelites. For one thing after Moses tells them about the Sabbath they immediately break its restriction (v. 27) so Moses has to tell them again about what they may do and may not do (v. 29). For another thing even though they broke the Sabbath they were not punished. God only rebuked them through Moses. Since it was something knew to them the death penalty was foregone. Later, after the Sabbath became the sign of the covenant given at Sinai being placed in the midst of the Ten Commandments or the covenant document, a man was punished with death for simply picking up some sticks (Numbers 15:32-36).
We should also look beyond Exodus 16 to see what the rest of the Bible has to say about the Sabbath being a Creation Ordinance. What one finds is that there is no biblical evidence that anyone observed the Sabbath prior to Exodus 16. That’s the cold hard fact. Therefore, your belief that the 7th day Sabbath was known to the Israelites before their slavery in Egypt must rest upon unbiblical assumptions. Likewise, those that believe that the Sabbath was instituted at Creation because God “rested” in Genesis 2 also must rely on unbiblical assumptions. The statement in Genesis 2:2-3 does not sound like a command from God at all. Compare “By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done” (Genesis 2:2-3). With “God blessed them and said to them, ‘Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground’" (Genesis 1:28). And “And the LORD God commanded the man, ‘You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die’" (Genesis 2:16-17).
Further there are two places that I know of that give an outline of salvation history. "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses” (Nehemiah 9:13-14). The key here is “made known” This indicates a new thing not “repeated” or “reminded”, but “made known”. The other passage is from Ezekiel. “I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the LORD made them holy” (20:11-12). The keys here are “made known” and “gave them” these indicate that the Israelites never had the Sabbath before this time. This agrees with Paul when he wrote that the Law didn’t come until centuries after Abraham. “My point is this: a covenant (the Abrahamic) formally ratified by God is not set aside as invalid by any law (the Mosaic) that came into being 430 years later, nor is its promise nullified…it (the Mosaic Covenant) was valid only until that descendant or offspring (Jesus) came to whom the promise had been given” (Galatians 3:17, 19). No Sinai Law equals no Sabbath command. Since Jesus has ended the Old Covenant the Sabbath, too, is finished as a binding command.
I have to say in all Christian love that your resorting to saying that people before Moses kept the Sabbath “because the words of Exodus 15:26 are similar to those spoken to Abraham many years previously when God had said: ‘Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.’ Genesis 26:5” is pathetic. Can you see how you are grasping at straws in order to preserve your strongly held belief in opposition to the Bible?
Your argument that if the Sabbath is only for the Jews then so are the rest of the Ten Commandments misunderstands the tablets of stone. The tablets were a covenant document between God and Israel and no one else. The Sabbath was the ceremonial sign of that covenant. The Ten Commandments contain nine moral laws and one ceremonial law. As I have previously shown the Sabbath was that ceremonial sign. The nine moral laws are binding on all people, but the ceremonial sign was a sign between God and Israel only (Exodus 31:13, 16-17; Ezekiel 20:12, 20). It was to show that the Israelites were loyal to that covenant, a covenant that was only between God and Israel.
De sabbat is een morele wet omdat Hij Gods autoriteit benadrukt.quote:Op zondag 12 mei 2013 11:53 schreef wiseguy-23 het volgende:
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Omdat de bijbel expliciet zegt dat de sabbath een schaduw is (kolossenzen 2:16) die vervuld is in Christus. De sabbath was dus geen morele wet maar een ceremoniele wet voor het volk van Israel. Er waren vele sabbaths voor het Joodse volk, de wekelijkse sabbath was een teken van het oude verbond. Mijn beargumentatie omtrent de sabbath heb ik geknipt en geplakt:
Here I will just give some other thoughts on why I have concluded that the 7th day Sabbath is ceremonial.
A moral law is one that tells us what God is like. It reflects His character. A ceremonial law is a tool God uses to teach a spiritual truth. The Sabbath doesn’t tell us what God is like. The Sabbath points back to God’s creative works in forming our world (Genesis 1 & 2). It also pointed forward to God’s creative work of redemption in Jesus Christ. The Sabbath teaches us where we are to find our rest. Is it in a day or in the person of Jesus?
“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light” (Matthew 11:28-30 NIV).
The Sabbath, like a ceremonial law, teaches the great spiritual truth that man must rest from trying to find salvation in his own works. Rather we must rest in the saving work of Christ. We must have faith to rest from our works and to put complete faith in Him.
"Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: ‘So I swore inMy wrath, They shall not enter My rest,’ although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: ‘And God rested on the seventh day from all His works’; and again in this place: ‘They shall not enter My rest.’ Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said: ‘Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.’ For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience” (Hebrews 4:1-11 NKJV).
A moral law is part of man’s being. Special revelation is not needed for man to know a moral law. God did not have to give man special revelation in order for man to know that murder is wrong. All mankind knows this moral truth. Ceremonial laws are not so known. The Sabbath is not known to all. A man living in deepest, darkest Africa knows not to murder, but he does not know that he should be observing the 7th day Sabbath from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday each week. This would require special revelation from God. The Sabbath was received by special revelation given to Israel.
“You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. You made known to them Your holy Sabbath, And commanded them precepts, statutes and laws, By the hand of Moses Your servant” (Nehemiah 9:13-14 NKJV).
Moral laws have always existed and will always exist. Ceremonial laws are instituted only for a specific period of time and for a specific people. The Sabbath was instituted as a part of the Old Covenant after Israel’s Exodus from Egypt (Exodus 16:22-30) and codified at Mount Sinai (Exodus 20:8-11). The Law Covenant which the Sabbath belonged to came into being 430 years after the promise made to Abraham and was brought to an end by Christ (Galatians 3:17-19). Only the Israelites were given the Sabbath. Only the Israelites were required to observe the Sabbath. No other people were ever commanded to observe it or condemned for not observing it. Thus the Sabbath was never universally binding on all people as moral laws are. The Sabbath was the special sign of the covenant that God made with the Israelites.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy. “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death. The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed” (Exodus 31:12-17 NIV).
Moral laws take precedence over ceremonial laws. The Sabbath was set aside for moral law (Matthew 12:9-12) and even for other ceremonial laws (John 7:22-23).
Moral laws are valid regardless of the situation. Compliance with ceremonial laws depends on the situation. The Sabbath could be broken depending on the situation (Matthew 12:1-12; John 7:22-23).
The Sabbath consistently appears in lists of ceremonial laws.
“[A]nd at every presentation of a burnt offering to the LORD on the Sabbaths and on the New Moons and on the set feasts, by number according to the ordinance governing them, regularly before the LORD” (1 CHRONICLES 23:31 NKJV).
“The king also appointed a portion of his possessions for the burnt offerings: for the morning and evening burnt offerings, the burnt offerings for the Sabbaths and the New Moons and the set feasts, as it is written in the Law of the Lord” (2 Chronicles 31:3 NKJV).
“Then it shall be the prince’s part to give burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the New Moons, the Sabbaths, and at all the appointed seasons of the house of Israel…” (Ezekiel 45:17 NKJV).
“So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ” (Colossians 2:16-17 NKJV).
See also 2 Kings 4:23; 2 Chronicles 2:3-4; 8:13; Nehemiah 10:32-33; Isaiah 1: 13-14; 66:23; Ezekiel 46:1-7; Hosea 2:11; and Amos 8:5; Galatians 4:8-11.
Paul treats the Sabbath as he does ceremonial laws, i.e. as a shadow of Christ’s work (Colossians 2:16-17; Hebrews 4). Consequently, he advises liberty be given in Sabbath observance. Do not judge a fellow Christian on his Sabbath observance or lack of Sabbath observance is Paul’s advise (Colossians 2:16; Romans 14:5).
Jesus taught that the violation of a ceremonial law and the violation of the Sabbath were equal.
“At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath”. He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. (Matthew 12:1-4 NIV).
From the evidence I note that the Sabbath has attributes of a ceremonial law, it is treated as a ceremonial law, and it is listed with ceremonial laws. Therefore, the evidence leads me to conclude that the Sabbath is a ceremonial law.
God kiest de rustdag en niet iemand anders een andere dag zoals de zondag.
Verwerping van de sabbat is verwerping van Gods autoriteit en dat is een morele kwestie.
De sabbat werd al gegeven voordat er een verbond opgezet was (exodus 16) en is dus geen teken van het oude verbond, dat is uit de duim gezogen. De sabbat benadrukte onder andere de redding uit Egypte maar dit wil niet zeggen dat de sabbat zijn oorsprong vindt in die redding. Iedere christen wordt uit Egypte gered en naar het beloofde land geleid, via de doop in de jordaan, enzovoorts. In dat opzicht was de hele toch van de joden slechts een voorbeeld van het ware plan van redding en kun je dus ook gemakkelijk stellen dat de sabbat een teken is de ware redding onder het nieuwe verbond (en dat is het ook).
Verder is het garanderen van een rustdag door God een bescherming tegen slavernij van 7 dagen/week werken. Dat is een uiting van liefde van God voor de mens.
Laat je lappen tekst achterwege ajb want ik lees ze toch niet.
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De sabbat is een morele wet omdat Hij Gods autoriteit benadrukt.
God kiest de rustdag en niet iemand anders een andere dag zoals de zondag.
Verwerping van de sabbat is verwerping van Gods autoriteit en dat is een morele kwestie.
De sabbat werd al gegeven voordat er een verbond opgezet was (exodus 16) en is dus geen teken van het oude verbond, dat is uit de duim gezogen.
Verder is het garanderen van een rustdag door God een bescherming tegen slavernij van 7 dagen/week werken. Dat is een uiting van liefde van God voor de mens.
Laat je lappen tekst achterwege ajb want ik lees ze toch niet.
Als je wil mag je geloven dat je neus een bloedworst is, zolang je het maar niet presenteert als bijbelse doctrines. Je wil niet geconfronteerd worden met de duidelijke leerstellingen van de bijbel, dat mag. Je mag zelf bepalen wat je wil geloven. Maar doe dan niet alsof je gelooft dat je gelooft dat de bijbel Gods onfeilbare woord is. Wellicht is dat de reden dat jouw "gemeente" niet gelooft in de onfeilbaarheid van de bijbel. De officiele positie van jouw "gemeente" is dat ze niet geloven in verbale inspiratie maar gedachteninspiratie.quote:
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De sabbat is een morele wet omdat Hij Gods autoriteit benadrukt.
God kiest de rustdag en niet iemand anders een andere dag zoals de zondag.
Verwerping van de sabbat is verwerping van Gods autoriteit en dat is een morele kwestie.
De sabbat werd al gegeven voordat er een verbond opgezet was (exodus 16) en is dus geen teken van het oude verbond, dat is uit de duim gezogen.
Verder is het garanderen van een rustdag door God een bescherming tegen slavernij van 7 dagen/week werken. Dat is een uiting van liefde van God voor de mens.
Laat je lappen tekst achterwege ajb want ik lees ze toch niet.
Feit is dat de sabbath werd geintroduceerd in Exodus 16, ruim 2500-3000 jaar na de schepping. Feit is dat christenen niet gebonden zijn aan een specifieke rustdag, we zouden zelfs op woensdag naar de kerk kunnen gaan. De eerste christenen hielden zondagsvergaderingen omdat dat de dag was dat Jezus was opgestaan. Met betrekking tot je laatste argument dat we rust nodig hebben, dat is een gewetenskwestie. Ik vind het erg teleurstellend dat je weigert de bijbel te lezen wanneer het jou niet goed uitkomt. Wat zegt dat over jouw geloofsovertuiging?
Ik vind het jammer dat je niet in staat bent zelf je eigen argumenten aan te dragen zonder met hele lappen tekst te komen en video's die ik moet kijken.quote:
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Als je wil mag je geloven dat je neus een bloedworst is, zolang je het maar niet presenteert als bijbelse doctrines. Je wil niet geconfronteerd worden met de duidelijke leerstellingen van de bijbel, dat mag. Je mag zelf bepalen wat je wil geloven. Maar doe dan niet alsof je gelooft dat je gelooft dat de bijbel Gods onfeilbare woord is. Wellicht is dat de reden dat jouw "gemeente" niet gelooft in de onfeilbaarheid van de bijbel. De officiele positie van jouw "gemeente" is dat ze niet geloven in verbale inspiratie maar gedachteninspiratie.
Feit is dat de sabbath werd geintroduceerd in Exodus 16, ruim 2500-3000 jaar na de schepping. Feit is dat christenen niet gebonden zijn aan een specifieke rustdag, we zouden zelfs op woensdag naar de kerk kunnen gaan. De eerste christenen hielden zondagsvergaderingen omdat dat de dag was dat Jezus was opgestaan. Met betrekking tot je laatste argument dat we rust nodig hebben, dat is een gewetenskwestie. Ik vind het erg teleurstellend dat je weigert de bijbel te lezen wanneer het jou niet goed uitkomt. Wat zegt dat over jouw geloofsovertuiging?
Onderzoek je eigen standpunten eerst en leer die concreet te verwoorden en beargumenteren voordat je met ad hominems komt, of dat nu tegen Ellen White is, de kerk, of tegen mijzelf. Me een schuldgevoel aan willen praten helpt je ook niet verder.
Ik wil je geen schuldgevoel aanpraten, maar als ik lappen tekst gebruik die 100 procent mijn gedachtegang tonen, waarom zou ik het dan in mijn eigen woorden moeten neerpennen? Je kan het toch makkelijk lezen en op basis daarvan zeggen waar je het niet mee eens bent. Dat zou ik ook doen als jij mij lappen tekst presenteert. Bovendien heb ik geen ad-hominems gebruikt, ik probeer alleen maar aan te kaarten het feit dat je selectieve cognitivieve dissonantie reducerende kenmerken vertoont zoals deze vaak bij sektes plaatsvindt. Ik probeer je juist te helpen...quote:
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Ik vind het jammer dat je niet in staat bent zelf je eigen arugmenten aan te dragen zonder met hele lappen tekst te komen en video's die ik moet kijken.
Onderzoek je eigen standpunten eerst en leer die concreet te verwoorden en beargumenteren voordat je met ad hominems komt, of dat nu tegen Ellen White is, de kerk, of tegen mijzelf. Me een schuldgevoel aan willen praten helpt je ook niet verder.
Omdat zolang je het niet zelf neerpent en onder woorden brengt, het ook niet zeker is of je uberhaupt begrijpt wat je plaatst. Klakkeloos aannemen is dan eerder van toepassing. De zin van studie is nu juist dat je begrijpt wat je leest en dat op een zinnige manier aan een ander kan communiceren. Zolang je slechts kopieert en plakt weet ik helemaal niet wat jouw positie exact is.quote:
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Ik wil je geen schuldgevoel aanpraten, maar als ik lappen tekst gebruik die 100 procent mijn gedachtegang tonen, waarom zou ik het dan in mijn eigen woorden moeten neerpennen? Je kan het toch makkelijk lezen en op basis daarvan zeggen waar je het niet mee eens bent. Dat zou ik ook doen als jij mij lappen tekst presenteert. Bovendien heb ik geen ad-hominems gebruikt, ik probeer alleen maar aan te kaarten het feit dat je selectieve cognitivieve dissonantie reducerende kenmerken vertoont zoals deze vaak bij sektes plaatsvindt. Ik probeer je juist te helpen...
Ik beschouw je opmerking over 'gemeente' tussen aanhalingstekens als een ad hominem. Wat mij betreft val je hiermee individuen aan, individuen door God gekozen en geaccepteerd. Dat is niet verstandig. Ik maak deel uit van die gemeente.
Het plaatsen van die video over 'Ellen G Witch' is een ad hominem.
Me presenteren als iemand die selectief leest en negeert en daarmee mijn eerlijkheid openbaar in twijfel trekken is een ad hominem.
Waarom lees je niet zelf ook de counter-argumenten van alles wat je nu leest op een site als http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/ of http://adventist-defense-league.blogspot.fr/. Praktisch alles wat je aandraagt wordt daarin behandeld en wat mij betreft verhelderd en uitgelegd. Je ziet dan ook dat veel van de teksten en citaten die je aandraagt vreselijk uit hun verband zijn gerukt en gepresenteerd op een manier die niet trouw is aan de bedoeling van de auteurs. Het is dwaas om daar in te trappen.
Wat ik meer vermoed is dat je een verkeerd begrip van wat ZDA leert hebt gekregen en het als legalisme ziet. Maar nergens in ZDA zul je de wet los zien van redding in Christus en het ontvangen van de Heilige Geest. God maakt ons nieuwe schepsels gehoorzaam aan Hem. Gehoorzaamheid impliceert regels, wetten, een standaard van goed en kwaad. Die standaard is de wet, de wet verwoordt liefde voor God en liefde voor naasten. Maar niets wat een mens aan gehoorzaamheid produceert is een prijs om zijn ticket naar de hemel te betalen. Redding is door genade via geloof en behelst heiligmaking door de Heilige Geest die ons conform Gods wil ie.wet herschept. Van nature ongehoorzame wezens worden we van nature gehoorzame wezens.
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Een ad-hominem is volgens mij een persoonlijke aanval op jou als persoon. Dat doe ik niet, ik vind jou zelfs best aardig. Ik ageer echter tegen jouw gedachtegoed en tegen jouw misleidende kerk om jou als persoon wakker te schudden en te helpen.quote:
trappen.Wat ik meer vermoed is dat je een verkeerd begrip van wat ZDA leert hebt gekregen en het als legalisme ziet. Maar nergens in ZDA zul je de wet los zien van redding in Christus en het ontvangen van de Heilige Geest. God maakt ons nieuwe schepsels gehoorzaam aan Hem. Gehoorzaamheid impliceert regels, wetten, een standaard van goed en kwaad. Die standaard is de wet, de wet verwoordt liefde voor God en liefde voor naasten. Maar niets wat een mens aan gehoorzaamheid produceert is een prijs om zijn ticket naar de
Ik ben bekend met alle mogelijke argumenten voor en tegen het Zevende Dags Adventisme. Echter dit zijn de feiten:
Ellen White was een valse profetes die een millionaire lifestyle leidde dankzij het plegen van plagiaat met behulp van een persoonlijke bibliotheek met meer dan 1200 boeken en hoogopgeleide secretaresses. Deze boeken bevatten vele valse leerstellingen zoals de sabbath, het onderzoekend oordeel, een vals evangelie van werken, verkeerde interpretatie van profetieeen etc. etc. etc. De overeenkomsten tussen de Mormoonse profeet Joseph Smith en Ellen White zijn vrijwel in het geheel identiek (zie truthorfables.com). etc. etc.
Nogmaals maar eens verwoorden waarom de sabbath een ceremoniele wet was:
- Sabbath werd in de bijbel heel vaak in 1 adem genoemd met de andere sabbathen, wat aangeeft dat ook de wekelijkse sabbath ceremonieel was.
- Jezus brak de sabbath door te verwijzen naar een andere ceremoniele wet. Dit zou Jezus nooit gedaan hebben als de sabbath een moreel gebod was.
- In Hosea 2 wordt geprofeteerd dat er een einde zal komen aan de wekelijkse sabbath
- De sabbath was het merkteken van het oude verbond dat volgens hebreeers is afgewisseld door het nieuwe verbond; de enige logische conclusie is dan ook dat de sabbath niet meer voor christenen is
- Dit wordt bevestigd in kolossenzen 2: 16 waarin de sabbath een schaduw wordt genoemd...
Je overschat jezelf.quote:
Ik ben bekend met alle mogelijke argumenten voor en tegen het Zevende Dags Adventisme.
1 Aangaande nu de dingen, die den afgoden geofferd zijn, wij weten, dat wij allen te zamen kennis hebben. De kennis maakt opgeblazen, maar de liefde sticht.
2 En zo iemand meent iets te weten, die heeft nog niets gekend, gelijk men behoort te kennen.
3 Maar zo iemand God liefheeft, die is van Hem gekend.
Huiswerk maken doe je maar op school, dit betreft wetenschap.quote:
[..]Als je denkt dat ik al je commentaar ga debunken heb je het mis, want dan ben ik volgende week nog bezig. Ik wil alleen duidelijk vooropstellen dat ik bekend ben met al jouw kritiek en dat ik mijn huiswerk heb gedaan en tot de conclusie gekomen ben dat de bijbel waarheidsgetrouw is
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O zo, maar de katholieke kerk bestond natuurlijk ook al wat langer dan wat we nu katholieke kerk noemen. De orthodoxe stroming zeg maar, waar bepaalde kerkvaders ook aanhanger van waren.quote:FF kort wat foutjes in je post aanhalen
Wat ik bedoelde met de term "katholieke" bijbel is dat het niet zo is dat de katholieke kerk verantwoordelijk is voor het feit dat we een bijbel hebben. Jij leek dit in een vorige post te impliceren.
Dat is de joodse traditie ja.quote:Met betrekking tot het auteurschap van de bijbel, daar zijn de meningen over verdeeld inderdaad. Jij stelt dat Mozes niet de auteur is van de eerste 5 Bijbelboeken en gebruikt daarbij een link die zelf verklaart dat:
De joodse Tenach bestond uit drie delen: de Thora (=wet, de vijf boeken van Mozes).....
Wat een onzin vertel je hier zeg. Het boek "wie schreef de bijbel" staat echt wel beter aangeschreven dan de boeken van Ehrman. En die man is niet de eerste die beweerde dat de bijbel frauduleus is. Dit toont wel aan hoe jij je huiswerk gedaan zeg, jezus christus, moeder maria en de zeven maagden.quote:Zelf ben ik van mening dat jouw visie verkeerd is en de mijne juist is
Als je eens wat discussies van die man zou volgen dan zou je ook horen dat hij vroeger dacht dat de bijbel helemaal waar was. En dat hij zijn conclusies nog niet zo lang geleden getrokken had over de fraude van de bijbel. Zelfs de kerkvaders waren eerder met hun vragen over de fraude van de bijbel! En Luther stelde zich ook al vragen bij bepaalde boeken (zoals Hebreeen en Openbaring, zoals ik al liet zien in mijn links naar de canon van de katholieken en protestanten).
Ja hoor, als de een zegt dat God David opzette om de volkstelling uit te voeren en de ander zegt dat het satan was die dat deed dan is dat een kwestie van contextquote:Met betrekking tot tegenstrijdigheden, ik ben er nog nooit eentje tegengekomen
Je bent gewoon een enorme dwaas die niet serieus onderzoek gedaan heeft naar de bijbel maar dat wel steeds claimt.
Onze visies kan mij gestolen worden, mij gaat het om wetenschappelijk onderzoek en daar valt niets aan af te dingen. "ik geloof dit en dat" is voor mij weinig steekhoudend. Ik geloof dat des nachts kaboutertjes komen om mijn huis schoon te maken. Maar als ik in de morgen wakker word is het nog steeds zo'n klerezooi. Dus dan geloof ik dat net voor ik wakker ben de trollen komen, die de boel weer verzieken...quote:Met betrekking tot de samenstelling van de bijbel is het duidelijk dat we inderdaad uiteenlopende visies hebben.
Volgens de Bijbel is zelfs geloof genade. Dus je moet niet zelf geloven en dan komt de HG in je wonen.quote:
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Aber NEIN! De wet wijst je naar Christus, als je Hem accepteert komt de Heilige Geest in je wonen en die doet zijn werken in je, je hoeft dan niet steeds te denken "dit mag wel, dit mag niet" want als je wandelt naar de Geest sta je niet onder de wet. Oude verbond = doen, Nieuwe verbond = gedaan.
En dit is een makkelijk geloof zeg, ik mag alles als ik maar geloof dat Jezus gristus gestorven is voor onze zonden. Dus ik mag zelfs liegen in mijn discussies met niet gelovigen! Sterker nog, hoe meer ik lieg voor de goede zaak, hoe dichter ik bij Jezus zal zitten bij het avondmaal die in de hemelen zijt.
"Bettler aber sollte man ganz abschaffen! Wahrlich, man ärgert sich ihnen zu geben und ärgert sich ihnen nicht zu geben."
Friedrich Nietzsche
Friedrich Nietzsche
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Ik heb alle mogelijke bronnen onderzocht. Zelfs een versimpelde versie van Dr. Des Fords zijn 1000 pagina-tellende dissertatie ten opzichte van het Onderzoekend Oordeel. Ik ben bekend met vrijwel alle geschriften van Ellen White. Heb de discussie omtrent Walter Martin en de ZDA sekte bestudeerd en de wijze waarop de sekte tegen hem had gelogen. Heb ge-emailed met een voormalige werknemer van de White Estate (Tom Norris). Heb de boeken van Ellen White haar eigentijdse voormalige aanhangers onderzocht, o.a. van D.M. Canright. Heb geluisterd naar de verhalen van voormalige ZDA's, sommige waren een pastoor in die kerk voor meer dan 30 jaar voordat ze doorhadden dat ze deel uitmaakten van een sekte. Ben bekend met de defense-websites en hun argumenten zijn eenvoudig te doorprikken. Heb de gelijkenissen tussen Ellen White en Joseph Smith in acht genomen. Heb een psycho-analyse gedaan van Ellen White EN Walter Veith. Heb onafhankelijke getuigenverklaringen in acht genomen omtrent Ellen White, waaronder rechtszaken die onder ede zijn afgenomen. Heb bovendien de getuigenissen van Roger Morneau meegewogen, zelfs zijn zoon ageert nu tegen de ZDA sekte als een misleiding. Heb Ellen White haar inconsistenties meegewogen waaruit blijkt dat ze geen idee had waarover ze praatte maar alleen veel wou schrijven om het schrijven en zo veel boeken te verkopen. Heb de ondertekende getuigenverklaringen in acht genomen die aanduiden dat de bekendste boeken van Ellen White (Steps 2 christ en Desire of Ages) door haar secretaresses geschreven waren en niet door Ellen zelf. Heb in acht genomen de aard van haar bovennatuurlijke ervaringen en de boodschappen die haar engel haar meegaf.En dan begin ik nog maar aan de oppervlakte te krabben. Ik heb mijn huiswerk gedaan, maar als je nu beweert dat ik mijzelf overschat of dat ik niet weet wat jouw sekte eigenlijk leert, dan weet ik het ook niet meer....
Ehrman was de eerste die officieel mediabekendheid kreeg vanwege zijn boek "forged" waarin de stelling dat de bijbel door andere auteurs zou zijn geschreven voor het eerst bekend werdquote:
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Huiswerk maken doe je maar op school, dit betreft wetenschap.
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O zo, maar de katholieke kerk bestond natuurlijk ook al wat langer dan wat we nu katholieke kerk noemen. De orthodoxe stroming zeg maar, waar bepaalde kerkvaders ook aanhanger van waren.
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Dat is de joodse traditie ja.
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Wat een onzin vertel je hier zeg. Het boek "wie schreef de bijbel" staat echt wel beter aangeschreven dan de boeken van Ehrman. En die man is niet de eerste die beweerde dat de bijbel frauduleus is. Dit toont wel aan hoe jij je huiswerk gedaan zeg, jezus christus, moeder maria en de zeven maagden.
Als je eens wat discussies van die man zou volgen dan zou je ook horen dat hij vroeger dacht dat de bijbel helemaal waar was. En dat hij zijn conclusies nog niet zo lang geleden getrokken had over de fraude van de bijbel. Zelfs de kerkvaders waren eerder met hun vragen over de fraude van de bijbel! En Luther stelde zich ook al vragen bij bepaalde boeken (zoals Hebreeen en Openbaring, zoals ik al liet zien in mijn links naar de canon van de katholieken en protestanten).
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Ja hoor, als de een zegt dat God David opzette om de volkstelling uit te voeren en de ander zegt dat het satan was die dat deed dan is dat een kwestie van context
Je bent gewoon een enorme dwaas die niet serieus onderzoek gedaan heeft naar de bijbel maar dat wel steeds claimt.
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Onze visies kan mij gestolen worden, mij gaat het om wetenschappelijk onderzoek en daar valt niets aan af te dingen. "ik geloof dit en dat" is voor mij weinig steekhoudend. Ik geloof dat des nachts kaboutertjes komen om mijn huis schoon te maken. Maar als ik in de morgen wakker word is het nog steeds zo'n klerezooi. Dus dan geloof ik dat net voor ik wakker ben de trollen komen, die de boel weer verzieken...
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Volgens de Bijbel is zelfs geloof genade. Dus je moet niet zelf geloven en dan komt de HG in je wonen.
En dit is een makkelijk geloof zeg, ik mag alles als ik maar geloof dat Jezus gristus gestorven is voor onze zonden. Dus ik mag zelfs liegen in mijn discussies met niet gelovigen! Sterker nog, hoe meer ik lieg voor de goede zaak, hoe dichter ik bij Jezus zal zitten bij het avondmaal die in de hemelen zijt.
.Nogmaals ik ben bekend met jouw "kritiek", en zolang ik deze voor mijzelf makkelijk kan debunken blijft mijn geloof gewaarborgd
. Ik krijg een beetje de indruk dat jij jezelf overschat en dat je maar blindelings alle kritiek op de bijbel als waarheid accepteert. Het dunning-kruger-effect is een psychisch verschijnsel. Het treedt op bij incompetente mensen die juist door hun incompetentie het metacognitieve vermogen missen om in te zien dat hun keuzes en conclusies soms verkeerd zijn.[1]
Incompetente mensen overschatten nogal eens hun eigen kunnen, en daardoor wanen ze zich bovengemiddeld competent. Mensen die werkelijk bovengemiddeld competent zijn, hebben daarentegen de neiging hun eigen kunnen te onderschatten. Minder competente mensen slaan zodoende hun eigen capaciteiten hoger aan dan zij die veel competenter zijn. Dat kan een verklaring zijn voor het gebrek aan intellectueel zelfvertrouwen waar sommige competente mensen mee kampen: zij gaan ervan uit dat anderen net zo capabel zijn als zijzelf. Incompetente mensen vergissen zich dus doordat ze zichzelf te hoog inschatten, terwijl competente mensen zich vergissen doordat ze anderen te hoog inschatten.[1]
Het verschijnsel is waargenomen door tal van filosofen, onder wie de Brit Bertrand Russell, die er het volgende over opmerkte: "In de wereld van vandaag lopen de domkoppen over van zelfverzekerdheid, terwijl de slimmeriken een en al twijfel zijn".[2]
De video die je gemaakt hebt getuigt hier allemaal niet van.quote:
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En dan begin ik nog maar aan de oppervlakte te krabben. Ik heb mijn huiswerk gedaan, maar als je nu beweert dat ik mijzelf overschat of dat ik niet weet wat jouw sekte eigenlijk leert, dan weet ik het ook niet meer....
met betrekking tot je "tegenstelling"Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel? God or Satan?
2 Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chronicles 21:1
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God did (2 Samuel 24:1) - "Now again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."
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Satan did (1 Chronicles 21:1) - "Then Satan stood up against Israel and moved David to number Israel."
Is this a contradiction? Not at all. In 2 Samuel 24:1, God incited David to number Israel because God was angry with David. Ultimately, God wanted to teach David not to trust in his number of fighting men, but to trust in Him. So, He moved to let David count the fighting men of Israel. He used Satan to do it which is why in 1 Chronicles 21:1, it says Satan moved David to count the men. Both are true. God most probably either sent Satan or allowed Satan to incite David. But, how can God send Satan to do a job and yet God is not responsible for the sin? Simple.
God's authority extends even over Satan. God can use Satan to accomplish His ultimate will by simply giving permission to Satan to do that which Satan already desires to do. We see this in the crucifixion of Christ where evil men brought Jesus to death. Yet, at the same time, it was the predetermined plan of God that this be done.
"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur," (Acts 4:27-28, NASB).
Furthermore, we see in Job that God allowed Satan to test Job and demonstrate Job's character (Job 1:8-13). We see in John 13:25-27 that Satan entered into Judas to betray Jesus, but it was the plan of God that Jesus be betrayed as Acts 4:27-28 above tells us.
God allows the evil one to work His evil yet that word is ultimately used for the glory of God. All this is done without God sinning and it demonstrates God's absolute sovereignty over all creation.
Kon helaas geen teksten knippen en plakken, was ondoenlijk om alle info te verwerken, heb een paar kernthemaas gekozen om nietsvermoedende christenen te waarschuwen. De video als zodanig is idd. ontoereikend om geharde ZDA's te overtuigen, het kan hun hooguit aan het denken zetten, daarom had ik links geplaatst onder mijn video die ZDA's kunnen helpen...quote:
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De video die je gemaakt hebt getuigt hier allemaal niet van.
Maar juist die stukken die je geselecteerd hebt zijn enorm eenzijdig gepresenteerd, het typische alarmistische, halve citaten, enzovoorts.quote:
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Kon helaas geen teksten knippen en plakken, was ondoenlijk om alle info te verwerken, heb een paar kernthemaas gekozen om nietsvermoedende christenen te waarschuwen. De video als zodanig is idd. ontoereikend om geharde ZDA's te overtuigen, het kan hun hooguit aan het denken zetten, daarom had ik links geplaatst onder mijn video die ZDA's kunnen helpen...
Het is niet opmerkelijk dat er zoveel anti-informatie tegen ZDA te vinden is wat mij betreft, dat is het werk van de duivel via halve waarheden, verdraaiingen, enzovoorts. De 'bewijzen' tegen de kerk zijn hoog opgestapeld. Zouden we anders moeten verwachten? Maar als je de zaken in meer detail bekijkt is het nooit zo moeilijk om de denkfouten te spotten. Bij je video haalde ik bovengenoemde websites erbij en daarin wordt uitgelegd hoe de zaken verkeerd gepresenteerd worden en wat de realiteit is, of in ieder geval benaderd wordt, wat soms moeilijk is bij historische evenementen en het interpreteren van werken waarvan de auteur niet meer levend is.
Verder voel ik mij niet gevangen in een sekte of iets, de sabbat is voor mij ook totaal geen last maar een lust, ik zou niet zonder meer willen leven, het zou mijn spirituele leven geen goed doen (dat heb ik ook ondervonden toen ik m gedurende enkele maanden min of meer negeerde).
Verder zijn we het met elkaar eens dat het de Heilige Geest in ons is die ons transformeert, en dankzij welke ik in staat ben om het goede te doen, terwijl in mijzelf niets goeds is.
Ik maak deel uit van een spirituele familie van allerlei mensen jong en oud, wit en zwart, die mijn vrienden zijn.
Ik zou dus niet weten waarmee je me wilt helpen. Mijn verlossing is in Christus en niet in een denominatie, maar profetie toont voor mij aan dat dit wel de denominatie is die God voor het einde gesticht heeft om de terugkomst boodschap te verkondigen.
Je daartegen verzetten is voor mij hetzelfde als tegen God vechten.
Je bent echt EN knettergek dat je dit blijft beweren EN je bent eigenwijs dat je deze stelling blijft houden. Als zelfs in de vroegste jaren van de kerk de vraag al gesteld wordt, en ook Luther zo zijn vraagtekens zet bij bepaalde brieven dan is die stelling simpelweg niet houdbaar.quote:
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Ehrman was de eerste die officieel mediabekendheid kreeg vanwege zijn boek "forged" waarin de stelling dat de bijbel door andere auteurs zou zijn geschreven voor het eerst bekend werd
Ik raad je overigens aan om eens op filosofie en levensbeschouwing te kijken. Daar had ik samen met ene ATON al discussies met veel christenen (zoals Ali en KoningDavid) en ook over het ontstaan van de bijbel en wie de brieven en evangelieeen geschreven zou hebben. Daarin komt deze Ehrman ook naar voren en daarin stelden wij al dat die man niet al te snel is met zijn bevindingen.
Of anders kijk je even op Freethinker, een forum waar ze ook al bezig waren met de brieven en wie ze wel of niet geschreven hadden.
Echt waar, die stellingen van jou. Soms denk ik dat je gewoon een troll bent.
Je hebt nog niks gedebunked, het enige wat je steeds doet is zeggen dat je het wel kan maar dat het te veel tekst en tijd kost.quote:Nogmaals ik ben bekend met jouw "kritiek", en zolang ik deze voor mijzelf makkelijk kan debunken blijft mijn geloof gewaarborgd
Waarom zeg je dit? Probeer je jezelf aan een analyse te onderwerpen? Waarom je doet alsof je alles al weet en niks meer kan leren?quote:Het dunning-kruger-effect is een psychisch verschijnsel. Het treedt op bij incompetente mensen die juist door hun incompetentie het metacognitieve vermogen missen om in te zien dat hun keuzes en conclusies soms verkeerd zijn.[1]
Incompetente mensen overschatten nogal eens hun eigen kunnen, en daardoor wanen ze zich bovengemiddeld competent. Mensen die werkelijk bovengemiddeld competent zijn, hebben daarentegen de neiging hun eigen kunnen te onderschatten. Minder competente mensen slaan zodoende hun eigen capaciteiten hoger aan dan zij die veel competenter zijn. Dat kan een verklaring zijn voor het gebrek aan intellectueel zelfvertrouwen waar sommige competente mensen mee kampen: zij gaan ervan uit dat anderen net zo capabel zijn als zijzelf. Incompetente mensen vergissen zich dus doordat ze zichzelf te hoog inschatten, terwijl competente mensen zich vergissen doordat ze anderen te hoog inschatten.[1]
En gelijk had hij. Maar wat heeft dit met die topic te maken?quote:Het verschijnsel is waargenomen door tal van filosofen, onder wie de Brit Bertrand Russell, die er het volgende over opmerkte: "In de wereld van vandaag lopen de domkoppen over van zelfverzekerdheid, terwijl de slimmeriken een en al twijfel zijn".[2]
"Bettler aber sollte man ganz abschaffen! Wahrlich, man ärgert sich ihnen zu geben und ärgert sich ihnen nicht zu geben."
Friedrich Nietzsche
Friedrich Nietzsche
Nogmaals, ik ben bekend met de controverse omtrent het auteurschap van de bijbel. Heb geen zin om er diep op in te gaan, kost teveel tijd. Persoonlijk vind ik dergelijke kritiek niet geloofswaardig.quote:
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Je bent echt EN knettergek dat je dit blijft beweren EN je bent eigenwijs dat je deze stelling blijft houden. Als zelfs in de vroegste jaren van de kerk de vraag al gesteld wordt, en ook Luther zo zijn vraagtekens zet bij bepaalde brieven dan is die stelling simpelweg niet houdbaar.
Ik raad je overigens aan om eens op filosofie en levensbeschouwing te kijken. Daar had ik samen met ene ATON al discussies met veel christenen (zoals Ali en KoningDavid) en ook over het ontstaan van de bijbel en wie de brieven en evangelieeen geschreven zou hebben. Daarin komt deze Ehrman ook naar voren en daarin stelden wij al dat die man niet al te snel is met zijn bevindingen.
Of anders kijk je even op Freethinker, een forum waar ze ook al bezig waren met de brieven en wie ze wel of niet geschreven hadden.
Echt waar, die stellingen van jou. Soms denk ik dat je gewoon een troll bent.
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Je hebt nog niks gedebunked, het enige wat je steeds doet is zeggen dat je het wel kan maar dat het te veel tekst en tijd kost.
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Waarom zeg je dit? Probeer je jezelf aan een analyse te onderwerpen? Waarom je doet alsof je alles al weet en niks meer kan leren?
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En gelijk had hij. Maar wat heeft dit met die topic te maken?
Ik meen goede argumenten te hebben voor mijn geloofsovertuiging en jij meent goede argumenten te hebben voor argumenten tegen mijn geloofsovertuiging.
Laten we het maar gewoon eens zijn dat we het oneens zijn 
Goed kerel, je hebt dus niet zelf nagedacht maar gewoon iets geknipt en geplakt van een andere site? Dat is een beetje jouw niveau, net zoals die van Ali overigens. Die kan ook ineens hele bijbelteksten knippen en plakken. Het liefst in het Engels, dat komt beter over.quote:
Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel? God or Satan?
2 Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chronicles 21:1
1.
God did (2 Samuel 24:1) - "Now again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."
2.
Satan did (1 Chronicles 21:1) - "Then Satan stood up against Israel and moved David to number Israel."
Is this a contradiction? Not at all. In 2 Samuel 24:1, God incited David to number Israel because God was angry with David. Ultimately, God wanted to teach David not to trust in his number of fighting men, but to trust in Him. So, He moved to let David count the fighting men of Israel. He used Satan to do it which is why in 1 Chronicles 21:1, it says Satan moved David to count the men. Both are true. God most probably either sent Satan or allowed Satan to incite David. But, how can God send Satan to do a job and yet God is not responsible for the sin? Simple.
God's authority extends even over Satan. God can use Satan to accomplish His ultimate will by simply giving permission to Satan to do that which Satan already desires to do. We see this in the crucifixion of Christ where evil men brought Jesus to death. Yet, at the same time, it was the predetermined plan of God that this be done.
"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur," (Acts 4:27-28, NASB).
Furthermore, we see in Job that God allowed Satan to test Job and demonstrate Job's character (Job 1:8-13). We see in John 13:25-27 that Satan entered into Judas to betray Jesus, but it was the plan of God that Jesus be betrayed as Acts 4:27-28 above tells us.
God allows the evil one to work His evil yet that word is ultimately used for the glory of God. All this is done without God sinning and it demonstrates God's absolute sovereignty over all creation.
Ik heb je link gegeven met maar liefst 500 tegenstellingen, en jij beweert dat er geen tegenstellingen zijn in de bijbel. Er zullen veel van bij zijn die lijken op mierenneukerij, maar er zijn ook zeer serieuze gevallen bij. En dat staat natuurlijk lijnrecht tegenover jouw bewering dat er geen tegenstellingen in zitten en geen fouten (een kinderlijk geloof is grappig, maar die kun je beter voor je houden en elke dag god op je blote knieën danken dat je als een kind geworden bent).
Toch vind ik dit geen goede uitleg. Zo zegt deze tekst dat God kwaad was en David opzette om een volkstelling te houden. Maar in de bijbel wordt God juist kwaad nadat David een volkstelling ging houden. Daarvoor lezen we niks van de kwaadheid van God. Nee, die was juist gericht op David nadat de volkstelling er was! Een groot verschil, als je tenminste een beetje kan nadenken.
Zie je nou wel wat je doet? Je poneert stellingen die ik dan kan ontkrachten en dan zeg je ineens "ik kan het ontkrachten, maar ik doe het niet want het kost mij teveel tijd" "persoonlijk vind ik dergelijke kritiek niet geloofwaardig" (maar de stelling dat de onzichtbare goddelijke geest er achter zit die alles in de hand had vind je dan wel geloofwaardigquote:
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Nogmaals, ik ben bekend met de controverse omtrent het auteurschap van de bijbel. Heb geen zin om er diep op in te gaan, kost teveel tijd. Persoonlijk vind ik dergelijke kritiek niet geloofswaardig.
Ik meen goede argumenten te hebben voor mijn geloofsovertuiging en jij meent goede argumenten te hebben voor argumenten tegen mijn geloofsovertuiging.
) "Ik heb mijn mening, jij de jouwe". Vind ik nogal flauwe uitspraken, vooral van iemand die minderwaardig doet naar de ander en denkt dat hij wel alles weet maar dat de ander te veel geloof hecht aan de kritiek op de bijbel (maar dat hij zelf gelooft in de stelling van 2 Tim zoveel: "alle schrift is gegeven door de geest, ter opbouw van het geloof blabla" vind hij dan niet teveel geloof hechten aan
).Tevens vind ik het ook vreemd dat je nu ineens zo "schappelijk" probeert te doen (ik heb de ene mening jij de jouwe) terwijl je zelf andersdenkenden (zoals ZDA) op een vreselijk dogmatische manier in het satanische kamp probeert te krijgen. Dan is het opeens niet dat beide partijen zo hun eigen mening kunnen hebben.
"Bettler aber sollte man ganz abschaffen! Wahrlich, man ärgert sich ihnen zu geben und ärgert sich ihnen nicht zu geben."
Friedrich Nietzsche
Friedrich Nietzsche
het ligt er een beetje aan hoe je de tekst bekijkt en wat je eigen opvatting er van is.quote:
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Goed kerel, je hebt dus niet zelf nagedacht maar gewoon iets geknipt en geplakt van een andere site? Dat is een beetje jouw niveau, net zoals die van Ali overigens. Die kan ook ineens hele bijbelteksten knippen en plakken. Het liefst in het Engels, dat komt beter over.
Ik heb je link gegeven met maar liefst 500 tegenstellingen, en jij beweert dat er geen tegenstellingen zijn in de bijbel. Er zullen veel van bij zijn die lijken op mierenneukerij, maar er zijn ook zeer serieuze gevallen bij. En dat staat natuurlijk lijnrecht tegenover jouw bewering dat er geen tegenstellingen in zitten en geen fouten (een kinderlijk geloof is grappig, maar die kun je beter voor je houden en elke dag god op je blote knieën danken dat je als een kind geworden bent).
Toch vind ik dit geen goede uitleg. Zo zegt deze tekst dat God kwaad was en David opzette om een volkstelling te houden. Maar in de bijbel wordt God juist kwaad nadat David een volkstelling ging houden. Daarvoor lezen we niks van de kwaadheid van God. Nee, die was juist gericht op David nadat de volkstelling er was! Een groot verschil, als je tenminste een beetje kan nadenken.
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Zie je nou wel wat je doet? Je poneert stellingen die ik dan kan ontkrachten en dan zeg je ineens "ik kan het ontkrachten, maar ik doe het niet want het kost mij teveel tijd" "persoonlijk vind ik dergelijke kritiek niet geloofwaardig" (maar de stelling dat de onzichtbare goddelijke geest er achter zit die alles in de hand had vind je dan wel geloofwaardig
Vind ik nogal flauwe uitspraken, vooral van iemand die minderwaardig doet naar de ander en denkt dat hij wel alles weet maar dat de ander te veel geloof hecht aan de kritiek op de bijbel (maar dat hij zelf gelooft in de stelling van 2 Tim zoveel: "alle schrift is gegeven door de geest, ter opbouw van het geloof blabla" vind hij dan niet teveel geloof hechten aan
Tevens vind ik het ook vreemd dat je nu ineens zo "schappelijk" probeert te doen (ik heb de ene mening jij de jouwe) terwijl je zelf andersdenkenden (zoals ZDA) op een vreselijk dogmatische manier in het satanische kamp probeert te krijgen. Dan is het opeens niet dat beide partijen zo hun eigen mening kunnen hebben.
zoals Herman Finkers het ooit verwoorde je het de “de heilige” moederkerk met daaronder verschillende kut kerkjes elk met hun eigen afscheiding. En elke groep pretendeert de ware geloof te zijn
lijst met verschillende richtingen
I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer to all living things that cry out for help.I am the protector of the innocent. I am the Light in the darkness. I am truth. Ally to good! Nightmare to you!
Precies, en allemaal vanuit de opvattingen van een frauduleus boekje dat enkele barbaren ooit eens geschreven hebben.quote:
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het ligt er een beetje aan hoe je de tekst bekijkt en wat je eigen opvatting er van is.
zoals Herman Finkers het ooit verwoorde je het de “de heilige” moederkerk met daaronder verschillende kut kerkjes elk met hun eigen afscheiding. En elke groep pretendeert de ware geloof te zijn
lijst met verschillende richtingen
Dat zou ongeveer hetzelfde zijn als beweren dat jij Harry Potter goed interpreteert en de rest het fout heeft. De rest is betoverd door zwarte Magica, omdat zwarte Magica niet wil dat de rest vrij wordt omdat ze de Waarheid kennen.
"Bettler aber sollte man ganz abschaffen! Wahrlich, man ärgert sich ihnen zu geben und ärgert sich ihnen nicht zu geben."
Friedrich Nietzsche
Friedrich Nietzsche
oke, misschien niet te veel over nadenken.quote:
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Precies, en allemaal vanuit de opvattingen van een frauduleus boekje dat enkele barbaren ooit eens geschreven hebben.
Dat zou ongeveer hetzelfde zijn als beweren dat jij Harry Potter goed interpreteert en de rest het fout heeft. De rest is betoverd door zwarte Magica, omdat zwarte Magica niet wil dat de rest vrij wordt omdat ze de Waarheid kennen.
Ben het eens dat het vol tegenstrijdigheden staat, en dat iedereen zijn eigen meningen er uit haalt.
Waar het in feite om draait zijn richtlijnen, op zich niet eens zo verkeerd.
het nadeel is dat, zoals in de Islam het kan vormen tot radicalisering.
I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer to all living things that cry out for help.I am the protector of the innocent. I am the Light in the darkness. I am truth. Ally to good! Nightmare to you!
Dat lijkt mij dus ook.quote:
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Waar het in feite om draait zijn richtlijnen, op zich niet eens zo verkeerd.
Het grappige is dan ook dat de verschillende stromingen mekaar van alles verwijten.
Stroming A verwijt stroming B zich te veel met voorwaarden bezig te houden om vervolgens weer een voorwaarde voor stroming A te stellen. Enz enz.
Ich hock in meinem Bonker
Voor de liefhebbers nog een lapje tekst over de valse leerstellingen van de ZDA sekte:
THE HISTORY OF SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISM
Seventh-day Adventism originated with the Second Coming movement of the 1800’s. William Miller, a Baptist preacher, concluded in 1818 that Christ would return to earth in 1843. When that was proven wrong, he changed the date to October 22, 1844. His belief was based largely on an interpretation of Daniel chapters nine and twelve using the erroneous day/year equation (one prophetic day equals one historical year). Tens of thousands of people followed Miller, and many different groups sprang up within this excited religious atmosphere, all of them looking for the immediate return of Christ.
After 1844, Miller quit setting dates and admitted his mistake, but some of his followers went on to form Seventh-day Adventism.
James White, Joseph Bates, and others began practicing sabbath-keeping in 1844 and published their views through pamphlets.
They also followed the visions of 17-year-old Ellen Harmon. She claimed that God showed her that in October 1844 Jesus entered the holy of holies in heaven to begin the “investigative judgment.” This is a foundational doctrine of the Adventist Church. Ellen taught that Jesus began investigating the records of every person to determine who would be saved and who would be lost. She also claimed to receive a vision about the “Third Angel’s Message” in Revelation 14:9-12. She said that the mark of the beast (the antichrist) would be Sunday worship, and those who worshipped on Sunday would be punished. She said that the ones who keep the commandments of God refers to those who keep the sabbath in the last days. This is where the Seventh-day Adventists get their name. They claim to be the church of the last days that keeps the sabbath and that prepares the way for Christ’s return.
Ellen Harmon married James White in 1846 and they became the main leaders of Seventh-day Adventism. Between 1844 and 1915 Mrs. White supposedly received 2,000 visions and dreams. Claiming that she was commanded to write her visions for preservation, she produced over 100,000 handwritten manuscript pages.
While Adventist leaders claim that the Bible is their sole rule for faith and conduct, the fact is that without Ellen White there would be no Seventh-day Adventism.
We see, therefore, that the advent movement was unbiblical from its beginning. It was led by a woman, which is forbidden in Scripture (1 Timothy 2:12), and it set a date for Christ’s return, which is also forbidden.
“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Mt. 24:36).
“Watch therefore; for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come” (Mt. 24:42).
“Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh” (Mt. 24:44).
“Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh” (Mt. 25:13).
“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is” (Mk. 13:32-33).
“It is not for you to know the time or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power” (Acts 1:7).
By ignoring the plain teaching of the Bible about Christ’s return, the Adventists were led into more and more error.
SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST DOCTRINE
In the following study we analyze some of the false Seventh-day Adventist doctrines and compare them with Bible truth.
FALSE TEACHING # 1: A GOSPEL OF GRACE PLUS LAW
Seventh-day Adventism professes to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this to add works to grace.
According to Adventist doctrine, grace is the power and forgiveness God gives to enable a sinner to keep God’s law and to thereby build a holy character fit for Heaven. The individual that fails to build the right character by God’s grace will never see Heaven. Faith and works are said to be the two oars by which the believer is propelled to glory.
These false teachers are aptly described by the apostle Paul in his epistle to the Galatians: “And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage” (Gal. 2:4).
It is important that we carefully document the Seventh-day Adventist doctrine of salvation, since it is very subtle. Often, in their literature produced for the general public, the Seventh-day Adventists modify what they believe in an attempt to appear orthodox. The Christian should beware of the deceitfulness of the false churches. They are like the chameleon that changes colors according to varying situations. On one hand they try to appear orthodox. “We are just like you,” they protest. On the other hand they promote all sorts of heretical teachings and attempt to draw converts away from the Bible-believing churches. This should not surprise us. The New Testament refers frequently to the deception of false teachers. Jesus called false teachers wolves in sheep’s clothing (Mat. 7:15). He warned that they would try to deceive many (Mat. 24:4-5). The apostle Paul called them “deceitful workers” (2 Cor. 11:13). He said they use “cunning craftiness” (Eph. 4:14). He said they “speak lies in hypocrisy” (1 Tim. 4:2).
Consider carefully the following statements about salvation from Adventist publications. While professing to believe in salvation by grace alone through faith alone, they redefine grace. The result is a false gospel that mixes grace and law.
From a Seventh-day Adventist Tract:
“Christ says to every man in this world what He said to the rich young ruler: ‘If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments,’ Matthew 19:17. In other words, THE STANDARD FOR ADMISSION INTO HEAVEN IS A CHARACTER BUILT ACCORDING TO THE TEN SPECIFICATIONS, OR COMMANDMENTS, OF GOD’S LAW. ...... THE MASTER BUILDER WILL STAND RIGHT WITH YOU AND IN YOU, AND SEE TO IT PERSONALLY THAT YOUR LIFE COMES UP TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF GOD’S LAW” (Charles Everson, Saved by Grace, pp. 45-46).
From a Seventh-day Adventist Correspondence course:
“Do you want to be a Christian? ... The steps to Christ are few and plain and easy to understand, and we will turn to God’s Guidebook now for information. ... Believe; that’s the first step toward becoming a Christian. ... the second step is repentance ... repentance is simply being sorry for our sins and putting them away ... the next step in becoming a Christian is confession ... real repentance and confession mean not only to stop sinning, but to do everything possible to make past wrongs right ... The next step is baptism, and the proof for that is found in Acts 2:38-39 ... Fifth, obedience through Christ in us ... So we have clearly outlined the steps that we need to take in order to become a Christian: to believe in God, to repent of and to confess our sins, to be baptized, AND TO OBEY ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD. ... He may stumble and fall, but he gets up and presses forward again, determined to overcome by God’s enabling power. Such a fall is not counted against him when he repents and asks forgiveness and divine help to live the right life” (New Life Voice of Prophecy Guide, #12).
Adventism labels this doctrine “salvation by grace,” but it is not the grace that was preached by the Lord’s apostles.
1. According to the Bible, salvation is by grace ALONE through faith ALONE, without the works of the law. See John 3:16; 6:28-29; Acts 15:10-11; 16:30-31; Romans 3:19-25; 4:1-8; 11:6; Galatians 3:10-13; Ephesians 2:8-10; Titus 3:4-7.
The Good News of Christ is not that we are saved through a grace that produces the works of the law. The Good News is that we are saved by God’s grace alone through faith alone WITHOUT THE LAW. All who will be saved must come on these glorious terms, trusting in the shed blood alone for full salvation.
Those who attempt to return to the Mosaic Law to perfect their salvation are committing the same error as the Galatians in the first century.
“O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham” (Gal. 3:1-7).
Those who persist in placing themselves under the Mosaic Law in spite of clear New Testament teaching are outside of true salvation. Seventh-day Adventist teachers who believe the doctrine of their own denomination as stated in such publications as the New Life Voice of Prophecy correspondence courses are of this number; they are Galatian legalizers.
“But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain” (Gal. 4:9-11).
“My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you” (Gal. 4:19-20).
“Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again in the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith” (Gal. 5:1-5).
2. Salvation is secure. The true gospel says that the believer is saved entirely by God’s grace through Christ and he has eternal life.
We know that salvation is secure because it is a free gift, entirely unmerited by the sinner (Ephesians 2:8-9). If the recipient does anything or pays anything, the “gift” is no longer a gift.
We know that salvation is secure because it means that the believer is declared righteous by God (Romans 3:21-24). This is the meaning of the word “justified.” Notice how the terms “justified” and “the righteousness of God” are used interchangeably in Romans 3:21-24. Notice too, that this righteousness is obtained “by faith” and “freely by his grace.” What is the sinner’s problem? Is it not his lack of righteousness? Therefore, if God declares that sinner righteous, what more does he need? Biblical salvation is an exchange. Jesus takes the sinner’s unrighteousness, and the sinner receives Jesus’ righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21).
We know that salvation is secure because it is a present possession.
In the following verses salvation is not described as a possibility, but as a certainty, as a present possession.
Justification is a present possession (Rom. 5:9).
Peace with God is a present possession (Rom. 5:1).
Reconciliation is a present possession (Rom. 5:10).
Atonement is a present possession (Rom. 5:11)
Eternal life is a present possession (1 Jn. 5:11- 13).
Being a child of God is a present possession (Eph. 1:6).
Being accepted in Christ is a present possession (Eph. 1:6).
Forgiveness of sin is a present possession (Eph. 1:7).
Being made alive in Christ is a present possession (Eph. 2:1).
Being made fit for heaven is a present possession (Col. 1:12).
Being delivered from the power of darkness is a present possession (Col. 1:13).
Having been translated into Jesus’ kingdom is a present possession (Col. 1:13).
Mercy is a present possession (1 Pet. 2:10).
Healing of sin is a present possession (1 Pet. 2:24).
A person is either saved or he is lost, either entirely saved or entirely lost. There is no middle ground, no growing into or perfecting of salvation. Are you trusting the blood of Christ, and the blood of Christ ALONE for salvation? If so, the Bible says you possess all the spiritual blessings listed above, plus much more, and they are secure blessings in Christ!
We know that salvation is secure because it is an entirely new position before God.
Salvation is an entirely new position in Christ (Romans 5:1-2). The sinner is either in Adam or he is in Christ. If he is in Christ, he has all spiritual blessings. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ” (Eph. 1:3). See also Romans 6:11; Ephesians 1:6; 1 John 5:12.
The believer has a new standing before God in Christ, and he also has a walk in this world. The new standing cannot change because it depends entirely upon what Jesus did for us on the cross. To confuse standing and walk is to pervert the gospel. Consider the book of Ephesians. Chapters 1-3 describe the believer’s new position in Christ; chapters 4-6 describe the believer’s walk in this world. Ephesians 5:8 says, “For ye were sometimes darkness, but NOW are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light.” The believer has a new position in Christ that can never change, and he is called to live up to this position in this world by walking in obedience to God. Colossians 3:1, 3 says the same thing: “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God ... For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.” In his new position, the Christian is dead to sin and risen with Christ. In practice he is to live up to this eternal calling by seeking the things which are above.
The believer’s new standing is eternally secure the moment he is born again. His walk, on the other hand, changes according to his obedience.
What a wonderful salvation! The better the believer understands his secure position in Christ, the more heartily he desires to serve his Savior God.
We know that salvation is secure because the believer is promised certain deliverance from sin.
“Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we SHALL BE saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we SHALL BE saved by his life” (Rom. 5:9-10).
We know that salvation is secure because the believer is kept by the power of God.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” (1 Pet. 1:3-5).
The believer can be sure that he will enjoy the inheritance spoken of in verse four solely because of the power of God.
This does not mean that a person can live as he pleases and still go to heaven just because he says he “believes.” The Lord Jesus Christ said that it is impossible to be saved without being born again (John 3:3, 7), and the new birth is a dramatic, life-changing experience. “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new” (2 Cor. 5:17). When a sinner is born again, he receives a new nature from God. He has new desires. God’s nature within him impels him to live God’s way. The indwelling Holy Spirit ministers a desire for holiness and truth. The professor in Christ who does not love God’s way is not a saved man who falls away from salvation; he is a hypocrite or a deceived person who has never possessed true salvation.
From the previous studies, it is evident that true Bible salvation does not have the uncertainty and legalistic admixture of the Adventist gospel. The SDA gospel is false.
FALSE TEACHING # 2: SABBATH-KEEPING
Seventh-day Adventism says that the sabbath was given to Adam in the Garden of Eden and that God intended for all men to keep it.
“God instituted the Sabbath in Eden; and so long as the fact that He is our Creator continues to be a reason why we should worship Him, so long the Sabbath will continue as its sign and memorial. ... The keeping of the Sabbath is a sign of loyalty to the true God” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, p. 386).
Adventism says that Jesus and the apostles kept the sabbath and that it is binding upon all Christians.
“... from this it is evident that all Ten Commandments are binding in the Christian dispensation, and that Christ had no thought of changing any of them. One of these commands is the observance of the seventh day as the Sabbath...” (Bible Footlights, p. 37).
“The example of Jesus is clear and consistent. His custom was a Sabbath-keeping custom. ... Yet in spite of this, we find a strange situation in the world today. For though we have the same Christ as our example, the same Bible as our guide, yet we find two Sabbath days kept by Christians...” (George Vandeman, Planet in Rebellion, p. 277).
They claim that Christians kept the sabbath until the fourth century when Constantine changed the law and forced churches to worship on Sunday.
“Constantine was the Roman emperor. He was a sun worshiper, but he was also a keen politician. He wanted to please everybody. It was while still a pagan that he decreed that all government offices should be closed upon the first day of the week—’the venerable day of the sun.’ The church, which had now been established in Rome, had been quick to see the temporal advantage of compromise with paganism ... so it was that after a few brief years, when Sunday had gained a foothold, the Roman church in the Council of Laodicea set aside the clear command of God and decreed the change from the seventh to the first day of the week” (Planet in Rebellion, p. 290).
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
1. The sabbath, though mentioned in Genesis 2:2-3, was not delivered to man until it was given to Israel in the wilderness (Nehemiah 9:13-14). Ellen White added to Scripture when she taught that Adam and the patriarchs kept the sabbath.
2. The sabbath was not given to mankind in general, but to Israel alone as a special sign between her and God (Ex. 31:13, 17). If the sabbath had been kept by mankind from the creation, it could not have been given as a special sign to Israel.
3. The New Testament teaches that the believer is not bound by the sabbath law. See Colossians 2:16-17.
4. The sabbath was a type of salvation. “There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his” (Heb. 4:9-10). As God rested on the seventh day from His work of creation, the believer today rests in the completed work of Christ. In order to enter into God’s rest, a person must accept God’s work and must cease from his own work (Jn. 6:28-29). Salvation must be accepted as God’s gift.
5. Jesus kept the sabbath because He was born under the law to fulfill the demands of the law. See Galatians 4:4-5. The Lord Jesus made Himself a servant and was born under the law of Moses that He might redeem sinners from the curse of the law and bring them into the eternal liberty of sonship.
6. It cannot be proven that the apostle Paul and the early churches observed the sabbath. It is true that Paul met in the synagogues on the sabbath in order to preach to the Jews assembled there, but this does not mean that he observed the sabbath. According to the Bible, the reason Paul visited synagogues on the sabbath was to preach the gospel. Paul’s desire was to preach Christ. He was burdened for his own people, the Jews. So he went where the Jews were to preach Christ to them. Consider Acts 13:14-44; 16:13-14; 17:2-4; 18:4.
7. There is much evidence in the Bible and elsewhere that the early Christians met and worshiped on the first day rather than on the sabbath.
On the first day Jesus rose from the dead (Mk. 16:9).
On the first day Jesus first appeared to his disciples (Mk. 16:9).
On the first day Jesus met with the disciples at different places (Mk. 16:9-11; Mt. 28:8-10; Lk. 24:34; Mk. 16:12-13; Jn. 20:19-23).
On the first day Jesus blessed the disciples (Jn. 20:19).
On the first day Jesus imparted to the disciples the gift of the Holy Spirit (Jn. 20:22).
On the first day Jesus commissioned the disciples to preach the gospel (Jn. 20:21; with Mk. 16:9-15).
On the first day Jesus ascended to Heaven, was seated at the right hand of the Father, and was made Head of all (Jn. 20:17; Eph. 1:20).
On the first day the gospel of the risen Christ was first preached (Lk. 24:34).
On the first day Jesus explained the Scriptures to the disciples (Lk. 24:27, 45).
On the first day the Holy Spirit descended (Acts 2:1). Pentecost was on the 50th day after the sabbath following the wave offering (Le. 23:15-16). Thus, Pentecost was always on a Sunday.
The Christians met to worship on the first day (Acts 20:6-7; 1 Cor. 16:2).
Since those days, the vast majority of Christians have met to worship on the first day of the week. They do this in honor of the resurrection of their Savior. Christ was in the tomb on the sabbath and rose as the firstborn from the dead on the first day. The sabbath signifies the last day of the old creation (Gen. 2:2). Sunday is the first day of the new creation.
8. Sunday is not the sabbath. Bible-believing Christians do not observe the sabbath by assembling on Sunday. The New Testament believer is redeemed from the obligations of the Law of Moses. Romans 14:1-13 and Colossians 2:16 clearly state that believers are not to be judged in respect to holy days. The Galatians’ respect of holy days caused the apostle Paul to fear that they were not even saved! See Galatians 4:10-11, 20.
9. The idea that Sunday observance will be the mark of the beast is not found in Scripture. This idea came from Ellen White. It is true that the Antichrist will “think to change times and laws” (Daniel 7:25), yet nowhere does the Bible say that this will involve the sabbath or Sunday. The Bible does not reveal exactly what laws the Antichrist will change.
FALSE TEACHING # 3: SOUL SLEEP
The Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches that those who die do not go to heaven or to hell but their soul sleeps unconsciously in the grave until the resurrection.
“To be dead does not mean to go to heaven; it does not mean to go to hell; it does not mean to go to purgatory. Indeed, it does not mean to go anywhere at all. It means simply an end of life. ... Death is cessation of life, an absence of life, the exact opposite of life. ... The man does not live; the body does not live; the soul does not live; the spirit does not live; the mind does not live. Intelligence ends, consciousness ends, memory ends, knowledge ends, thought ends” (When A Man Dies, p. 20).
Adventism teaches that the body and soul are not separate entities that can be parted at death.
“...the soul of man nowhere is represented as a separate, conscious part of man existing as such when the body sleeps in death... the soul of man comes with the breath; it goes with the breath. ... It has no function or power of manifestation or of action, no existence, apart from the body...” (When A Man Dies, pp. 32, 33).
They teach that the spirit is the breath.
“... notice Job 27:3: ‘All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils.’ Again we find in the margin that spirit might also be translated ‘breath.’ The two words are often used interchangeably in Scripture. ... Now listen. ‘And breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.’ Nowhere are we told in Scripture that God gave man a living soul. Man became a living soul as the result of the union of the body with the breath of life. ... It is clear that the spirit that a man received from God and that goes back to God when he dies, is what God put into his nostrils. ... when he dies, the two separate. The dust returns to the ground. The breath, or spark of life, from saint or sinner, returns to God who gave it. The living, loving, acting soul does not go anywhere. It simply ceases to be a conscious entity until the resurrection morning, when the body and the breath of life are united again. That is Scripture pure and simple!” (Planet in Rebellion, pp. 320-323).
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
1. The word “soul” has different meanings in Scripture. Sometimes it does refer to the whole man. Often, though, it refers to a conscious, immaterial part of man that exists apart from the body beyond death. Words in the Bible must be defined by the context in which they are found.
Old Testament examples of the soul as an immaterial, conscious part of the man are seen in Genesis 35:18 and 1 Kings 17:21-22. In Genesis 35 the death of Rachel is recorded, and we are told that her soul departed when she died. “... as her soul was in departing, (for she died)...” In 1 Kings 17 a young boy died and was raised again through Elijah’s ministry. The Bible plainly says that his soul departed and then returned: “... O Lord my God, I pray thee, let this child’s soul come into him again. And the Lord heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.” Obviously the prophet Elijah did not have the same idea about the soul and death as the Adventists do.
In the New Testament, the word “soul” is also used to describe a spiritual part of man distinct from his body. “... I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Th. 5:23). Here we are told that man has three parts. Paul did not say man IS a soul; he says man HAS a soul.
2. The word “spirit” also has various meanings in Scripture. Just as the word “soul” does not always refer to the whole man, but often refers to the immaterial part of man, even so the word “spirit” does not always mean breath. Spirit often refers to the conscious, immaterial part of man that is distinct from his body and that is separated from the body at death.
This is the meaning in Genesis 45:26-27, where the spirit is used interchangeably with the heart. “And Jacob’s HEART FAINTED, for he believed them not. And they told him all the words of Joseph, which he had said unto them: and when he saw the wagons which Joseph had sent to carry him, THE SPIRIT OF JACOB THEIR FATHER REVIVED.” Obviously, this passage does not refer to the spirit as the breath! In Exodus 6:9, the children of Israel had “anguish of spirit.” Was it their breath that was anguished! How silly. The word “spirit” obviously means something different in Scripture than breath. Again, in Exodus 35:21, the Bible describes those who contributed toward the construction of the tabernacle as those “whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing.” Deuteronomy 2:30 is another example of this. Here we find God hardening the spirit of King Sihon. In 1 Kings 21:5 King Ahab is said to have had a “sad spirit.” Certainly none of these references could be construed as speaking of the spirit as the breath. The Seventh-day Adventist doctrine that the spirit is limited to breath is contrary to the Bible’s own teaching.
3. The New Testament plainly describes death as a departure of the spirit from the body. When we come to the New Testament, any uncertainty remaining from our Old Testament studies disappears in the light of full revelation. One uniform doctrine of death is found throughout the New Testament. Here death is plainly seen as a departure of the spirit from the body. Death means separation, not cessation. (This is how Adam and Eve could die the same day they partook of the fruit. They died spiritually. They were “dead in trespasses and sins.” Later they died physically and the soul was separated from the body.) This has been the orthodox doctrine of death throughout the New Testament age.
New Testament reasons for believing that death is a departure of the spirit from the body to another conscious realm of existence.
First, it is the body that dies (Jam. 2:26).
Second, Paul testified that death is a journey. See 2 Corinthians 5:6-7; Philippians 1:23-24; and 2 Timothy 4:6.
Third, Jesus’ promise to the thief on the cross shows that death is a departure. “And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise” (Lk. 23:43). Adventists claim that this passage is not translated correctly, that the comma should be after the word “today.” “Verily I say unto thee today, ‘Thou shalt be with me in paradise.’” No Bible translation reads like this. It is merely an effort to twist the passage to fit false Adventist doctrine, but the Lord Jesus Christ promised the repentant thief that he would be with him in paradise that very day.
Fourth, the story of Lazarus and the rich man shows that death is a departure. The proper names (Lazarus, Abraham) Jesus used in this story prove that He was speaking about an historical scene, rather than giving a parable. The Lord’s parables did not contain such details. Yet even if it this was a parable, it would still teach literal truth. “... the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments...” (Lk. 16:22-23). This passage teaches that death is a journey of the soul either to Heaven or to Hell.
Fifth, the dead saints will return with Christ from Heaven at the time of the resurrection and rapture of the saved. This shows that dead saints go to Heaven at death. “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so THEM ALSO WHICH SLEEP IN JESUS WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM” (1 Th. 4:14). According to the Bible, the dead are not sleeping in the grave as the Adventists claim. Rather, they are in Heaven and they will return from there with Jesus!
Sixth, John’s heavenly visions show dead saints in Heaven before the resurrection and during the Great Tribulation on earth. See Revelation 6:9-11. This is another indisputable testimony that dead saints are not sleeping in the grave, but are residing in Heaven awaiting the return of Christ to earth.
Seventh, Moses’ and Elijah’s appearance on the Mount of Transfiguration proves that the dead have conscious existence between death and resurrection. See Luke 9:28-33. That Peter and the other apostles were not just seeing a future millennial scene is demonstrated by the fact that Moses and Elijah were speaking with the Lord Jesus about His approaching death. Moses and Elijah, though dead, appeared on that mountain and conversed about events that were soon to take place in Jerusalem. It is obvious that Moses and Elias are not sleeping in the grave.
It is plain from this survey of the New Testament that man has a spirit or soul that departs from his body at death and that lives eternally either in Heaven or in Hell. The Bible speaks of death BOTH as a sleep and as a journey. It is the sleep of the body and the journey of the spirit.
Even in the Old Testament we are taught that death meant separation from the body by the spirit. In Genesis 25:8 Abraham “gave up the ghost, and died ... and was gathered to his people.” This cannot mean simply that he was gathered to the grave, because Abraham’s people were not buried in Mamre. They were buried in Haran a long distance away (Ge. 11:31-32). In Genesis 35:18, it is recorded that Rachel’s soul departed at her death. 1 Kings 17 tells us that when the widow’s son died, his soul had departed (vv. 21-22). God told Moses in Numbers 27:13 that he would be “gathered unto” his people. For two reasons, this could not mean that he would sleep in a grave. First, Moses’ people were not buried in the wilderness where he died. Second, Moses appeared centuries later with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration, and he was quite conscious at that time.
Thus, no matter where we look in the Scripture, we see that death does not mean sleeping unconsciously in the grave. The passages that speak of death as sleep are speaking poetically. Some Old Testament references to death, particularly in the book of Ecclesiastes, speak of it from the viewpoint of this world. In that sense, it is true that the dead do not praise God in this world. The theme of Ecclesiastes is “under the sun,” and it describes man’s attempt to understand life apart from divine revelation.
4. The doctrine of immortality was not fully revealed until the New Testament. See 1 Timothy 1:9-10. It was with the coming of Christ that the doctrine of life beyond the grave was brought to full light. Thus, we must not interpret the New Testament in light of the Old Testament, but the Old in light of the New!
THE HISTORY OF SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISM
Seventh-day Adventism originated with the Second Coming movement of the 1800’s. William Miller, a Baptist preacher, concluded in 1818 that Christ would return to earth in 1843. When that was proven wrong, he changed the date to October 22, 1844. His belief was based largely on an interpretation of Daniel chapters nine and twelve using the erroneous day/year equation (one prophetic day equals one historical year). Tens of thousands of people followed Miller, and many different groups sprang up within this excited religious atmosphere, all of them looking for the immediate return of Christ.
After 1844, Miller quit setting dates and admitted his mistake, but some of his followers went on to form Seventh-day Adventism.
James White, Joseph Bates, and others began practicing sabbath-keeping in 1844 and published their views through pamphlets.
They also followed the visions of 17-year-old Ellen Harmon. She claimed that God showed her that in October 1844 Jesus entered the holy of holies in heaven to begin the “investigative judgment.” This is a foundational doctrine of the Adventist Church. Ellen taught that Jesus began investigating the records of every person to determine who would be saved and who would be lost. She also claimed to receive a vision about the “Third Angel’s Message” in Revelation 14:9-12. She said that the mark of the beast (the antichrist) would be Sunday worship, and those who worshipped on Sunday would be punished. She said that the ones who keep the commandments of God refers to those who keep the sabbath in the last days. This is where the Seventh-day Adventists get their name. They claim to be the church of the last days that keeps the sabbath and that prepares the way for Christ’s return.
Ellen Harmon married James White in 1846 and they became the main leaders of Seventh-day Adventism. Between 1844 and 1915 Mrs. White supposedly received 2,000 visions and dreams. Claiming that she was commanded to write her visions for preservation, she produced over 100,000 handwritten manuscript pages.
While Adventist leaders claim that the Bible is their sole rule for faith and conduct, the fact is that without Ellen White there would be no Seventh-day Adventism.
We see, therefore, that the advent movement was unbiblical from its beginning. It was led by a woman, which is forbidden in Scripture (1 Timothy 2:12), and it set a date for Christ’s return, which is also forbidden.
“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Mt. 24:36).
“Watch therefore; for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come” (Mt. 24:42).
“Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh” (Mt. 24:44).
“Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh” (Mt. 25:13).
“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is” (Mk. 13:32-33).
“It is not for you to know the time or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power” (Acts 1:7).
By ignoring the plain teaching of the Bible about Christ’s return, the Adventists were led into more and more error.
SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST DOCTRINE
In the following study we analyze some of the false Seventh-day Adventist doctrines and compare them with Bible truth.
FALSE TEACHING # 1: A GOSPEL OF GRACE PLUS LAW
Seventh-day Adventism professes to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this to add works to grace.
According to Adventist doctrine, grace is the power and forgiveness God gives to enable a sinner to keep God’s law and to thereby build a holy character fit for Heaven. The individual that fails to build the right character by God’s grace will never see Heaven. Faith and works are said to be the two oars by which the believer is propelled to glory.
These false teachers are aptly described by the apostle Paul in his epistle to the Galatians: “And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage” (Gal. 2:4).
It is important that we carefully document the Seventh-day Adventist doctrine of salvation, since it is very subtle. Often, in their literature produced for the general public, the Seventh-day Adventists modify what they believe in an attempt to appear orthodox. The Christian should beware of the deceitfulness of the false churches. They are like the chameleon that changes colors according to varying situations. On one hand they try to appear orthodox. “We are just like you,” they protest. On the other hand they promote all sorts of heretical teachings and attempt to draw converts away from the Bible-believing churches. This should not surprise us. The New Testament refers frequently to the deception of false teachers. Jesus called false teachers wolves in sheep’s clothing (Mat. 7:15). He warned that they would try to deceive many (Mat. 24:4-5). The apostle Paul called them “deceitful workers” (2 Cor. 11:13). He said they use “cunning craftiness” (Eph. 4:14). He said they “speak lies in hypocrisy” (1 Tim. 4:2).
Consider carefully the following statements about salvation from Adventist publications. While professing to believe in salvation by grace alone through faith alone, they redefine grace. The result is a false gospel that mixes grace and law.
From a Seventh-day Adventist Tract:
“Christ says to every man in this world what He said to the rich young ruler: ‘If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments,’ Matthew 19:17. In other words, THE STANDARD FOR ADMISSION INTO HEAVEN IS A CHARACTER BUILT ACCORDING TO THE TEN SPECIFICATIONS, OR COMMANDMENTS, OF GOD’S LAW. ...... THE MASTER BUILDER WILL STAND RIGHT WITH YOU AND IN YOU, AND SEE TO IT PERSONALLY THAT YOUR LIFE COMES UP TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF GOD’S LAW” (Charles Everson, Saved by Grace, pp. 45-46).
From a Seventh-day Adventist Correspondence course:
“Do you want to be a Christian? ... The steps to Christ are few and plain and easy to understand, and we will turn to God’s Guidebook now for information. ... Believe; that’s the first step toward becoming a Christian. ... the second step is repentance ... repentance is simply being sorry for our sins and putting them away ... the next step in becoming a Christian is confession ... real repentance and confession mean not only to stop sinning, but to do everything possible to make past wrongs right ... The next step is baptism, and the proof for that is found in Acts 2:38-39 ... Fifth, obedience through Christ in us ... So we have clearly outlined the steps that we need to take in order to become a Christian: to believe in God, to repent of and to confess our sins, to be baptized, AND TO OBEY ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD. ... He may stumble and fall, but he gets up and presses forward again, determined to overcome by God’s enabling power. Such a fall is not counted against him when he repents and asks forgiveness and divine help to live the right life” (New Life Voice of Prophecy Guide, #12).
Adventism labels this doctrine “salvation by grace,” but it is not the grace that was preached by the Lord’s apostles.
1. According to the Bible, salvation is by grace ALONE through faith ALONE, without the works of the law. See John 3:16; 6:28-29; Acts 15:10-11; 16:30-31; Romans 3:19-25; 4:1-8; 11:6; Galatians 3:10-13; Ephesians 2:8-10; Titus 3:4-7.
The Good News of Christ is not that we are saved through a grace that produces the works of the law. The Good News is that we are saved by God’s grace alone through faith alone WITHOUT THE LAW. All who will be saved must come on these glorious terms, trusting in the shed blood alone for full salvation.
Those who attempt to return to the Mosaic Law to perfect their salvation are committing the same error as the Galatians in the first century.
“O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham” (Gal. 3:1-7).
Those who persist in placing themselves under the Mosaic Law in spite of clear New Testament teaching are outside of true salvation. Seventh-day Adventist teachers who believe the doctrine of their own denomination as stated in such publications as the New Life Voice of Prophecy correspondence courses are of this number; they are Galatian legalizers.
“But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain” (Gal. 4:9-11).
“My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you” (Gal. 4:19-20).
“Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again in the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith” (Gal. 5:1-5).
2. Salvation is secure. The true gospel says that the believer is saved entirely by God’s grace through Christ and he has eternal life.
We know that salvation is secure because it is a free gift, entirely unmerited by the sinner (Ephesians 2:8-9). If the recipient does anything or pays anything, the “gift” is no longer a gift.
We know that salvation is secure because it means that the believer is declared righteous by God (Romans 3:21-24). This is the meaning of the word “justified.” Notice how the terms “justified” and “the righteousness of God” are used interchangeably in Romans 3:21-24. Notice too, that this righteousness is obtained “by faith” and “freely by his grace.” What is the sinner’s problem? Is it not his lack of righteousness? Therefore, if God declares that sinner righteous, what more does he need? Biblical salvation is an exchange. Jesus takes the sinner’s unrighteousness, and the sinner receives Jesus’ righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21).
We know that salvation is secure because it is a present possession.
In the following verses salvation is not described as a possibility, but as a certainty, as a present possession.
Justification is a present possession (Rom. 5:9).
Peace with God is a present possession (Rom. 5:1).
Reconciliation is a present possession (Rom. 5:10).
Atonement is a present possession (Rom. 5:11)
Eternal life is a present possession (1 Jn. 5:11- 13).
Being a child of God is a present possession (Eph. 1:6).
Being accepted in Christ is a present possession (Eph. 1:6).
Forgiveness of sin is a present possession (Eph. 1:7).
Being made alive in Christ is a present possession (Eph. 2:1).
Being made fit for heaven is a present possession (Col. 1:12).
Being delivered from the power of darkness is a present possession (Col. 1:13).
Having been translated into Jesus’ kingdom is a present possession (Col. 1:13).
Mercy is a present possession (1 Pet. 2:10).
Healing of sin is a present possession (1 Pet. 2:24).
A person is either saved or he is lost, either entirely saved or entirely lost. There is no middle ground, no growing into or perfecting of salvation. Are you trusting the blood of Christ, and the blood of Christ ALONE for salvation? If so, the Bible says you possess all the spiritual blessings listed above, plus much more, and they are secure blessings in Christ!
We know that salvation is secure because it is an entirely new position before God.
Salvation is an entirely new position in Christ (Romans 5:1-2). The sinner is either in Adam or he is in Christ. If he is in Christ, he has all spiritual blessings. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ” (Eph. 1:3). See also Romans 6:11; Ephesians 1:6; 1 John 5:12.
The believer has a new standing before God in Christ, and he also has a walk in this world. The new standing cannot change because it depends entirely upon what Jesus did for us on the cross. To confuse standing and walk is to pervert the gospel. Consider the book of Ephesians. Chapters 1-3 describe the believer’s new position in Christ; chapters 4-6 describe the believer’s walk in this world. Ephesians 5:8 says, “For ye were sometimes darkness, but NOW are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light.” The believer has a new position in Christ that can never change, and he is called to live up to this position in this world by walking in obedience to God. Colossians 3:1, 3 says the same thing: “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God ... For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.” In his new position, the Christian is dead to sin and risen with Christ. In practice he is to live up to this eternal calling by seeking the things which are above.
The believer’s new standing is eternally secure the moment he is born again. His walk, on the other hand, changes according to his obedience.
What a wonderful salvation! The better the believer understands his secure position in Christ, the more heartily he desires to serve his Savior God.
We know that salvation is secure because the believer is promised certain deliverance from sin.
“Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we SHALL BE saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we SHALL BE saved by his life” (Rom. 5:9-10).
We know that salvation is secure because the believer is kept by the power of God.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” (1 Pet. 1:3-5).
The believer can be sure that he will enjoy the inheritance spoken of in verse four solely because of the power of God.
This does not mean that a person can live as he pleases and still go to heaven just because he says he “believes.” The Lord Jesus Christ said that it is impossible to be saved without being born again (John 3:3, 7), and the new birth is a dramatic, life-changing experience. “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new” (2 Cor. 5:17). When a sinner is born again, he receives a new nature from God. He has new desires. God’s nature within him impels him to live God’s way. The indwelling Holy Spirit ministers a desire for holiness and truth. The professor in Christ who does not love God’s way is not a saved man who falls away from salvation; he is a hypocrite or a deceived person who has never possessed true salvation.
From the previous studies, it is evident that true Bible salvation does not have the uncertainty and legalistic admixture of the Adventist gospel. The SDA gospel is false.
FALSE TEACHING # 2: SABBATH-KEEPING
Seventh-day Adventism says that the sabbath was given to Adam in the Garden of Eden and that God intended for all men to keep it.
“God instituted the Sabbath in Eden; and so long as the fact that He is our Creator continues to be a reason why we should worship Him, so long the Sabbath will continue as its sign and memorial. ... The keeping of the Sabbath is a sign of loyalty to the true God” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, p. 386).
Adventism says that Jesus and the apostles kept the sabbath and that it is binding upon all Christians.
“... from this it is evident that all Ten Commandments are binding in the Christian dispensation, and that Christ had no thought of changing any of them. One of these commands is the observance of the seventh day as the Sabbath...” (Bible Footlights, p. 37).
“The example of Jesus is clear and consistent. His custom was a Sabbath-keeping custom. ... Yet in spite of this, we find a strange situation in the world today. For though we have the same Christ as our example, the same Bible as our guide, yet we find two Sabbath days kept by Christians...” (George Vandeman, Planet in Rebellion, p. 277).
They claim that Christians kept the sabbath until the fourth century when Constantine changed the law and forced churches to worship on Sunday.
“Constantine was the Roman emperor. He was a sun worshiper, but he was also a keen politician. He wanted to please everybody. It was while still a pagan that he decreed that all government offices should be closed upon the first day of the week—’the venerable day of the sun.’ The church, which had now been established in Rome, had been quick to see the temporal advantage of compromise with paganism ... so it was that after a few brief years, when Sunday had gained a foothold, the Roman church in the Council of Laodicea set aside the clear command of God and decreed the change from the seventh to the first day of the week” (Planet in Rebellion, p. 290).
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
1. The sabbath, though mentioned in Genesis 2:2-3, was not delivered to man until it was given to Israel in the wilderness (Nehemiah 9:13-14). Ellen White added to Scripture when she taught that Adam and the patriarchs kept the sabbath.
2. The sabbath was not given to mankind in general, but to Israel alone as a special sign between her and God (Ex. 31:13, 17). If the sabbath had been kept by mankind from the creation, it could not have been given as a special sign to Israel.
3. The New Testament teaches that the believer is not bound by the sabbath law. See Colossians 2:16-17.
4. The sabbath was a type of salvation. “There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his” (Heb. 4:9-10). As God rested on the seventh day from His work of creation, the believer today rests in the completed work of Christ. In order to enter into God’s rest, a person must accept God’s work and must cease from his own work (Jn. 6:28-29). Salvation must be accepted as God’s gift.
5. Jesus kept the sabbath because He was born under the law to fulfill the demands of the law. See Galatians 4:4-5. The Lord Jesus made Himself a servant and was born under the law of Moses that He might redeem sinners from the curse of the law and bring them into the eternal liberty of sonship.
6. It cannot be proven that the apostle Paul and the early churches observed the sabbath. It is true that Paul met in the synagogues on the sabbath in order to preach to the Jews assembled there, but this does not mean that he observed the sabbath. According to the Bible, the reason Paul visited synagogues on the sabbath was to preach the gospel. Paul’s desire was to preach Christ. He was burdened for his own people, the Jews. So he went where the Jews were to preach Christ to them. Consider Acts 13:14-44; 16:13-14; 17:2-4; 18:4.
7. There is much evidence in the Bible and elsewhere that the early Christians met and worshiped on the first day rather than on the sabbath.
On the first day Jesus rose from the dead (Mk. 16:9).
On the first day Jesus first appeared to his disciples (Mk. 16:9).
On the first day Jesus met with the disciples at different places (Mk. 16:9-11; Mt. 28:8-10; Lk. 24:34; Mk. 16:12-13; Jn. 20:19-23).
On the first day Jesus blessed the disciples (Jn. 20:19).
On the first day Jesus imparted to the disciples the gift of the Holy Spirit (Jn. 20:22).
On the first day Jesus commissioned the disciples to preach the gospel (Jn. 20:21; with Mk. 16:9-15).
On the first day Jesus ascended to Heaven, was seated at the right hand of the Father, and was made Head of all (Jn. 20:17; Eph. 1:20).
On the first day the gospel of the risen Christ was first preached (Lk. 24:34).
On the first day Jesus explained the Scriptures to the disciples (Lk. 24:27, 45).
On the first day the Holy Spirit descended (Acts 2:1). Pentecost was on the 50th day after the sabbath following the wave offering (Le. 23:15-16). Thus, Pentecost was always on a Sunday.
The Christians met to worship on the first day (Acts 20:6-7; 1 Cor. 16:2).
Since those days, the vast majority of Christians have met to worship on the first day of the week. They do this in honor of the resurrection of their Savior. Christ was in the tomb on the sabbath and rose as the firstborn from the dead on the first day. The sabbath signifies the last day of the old creation (Gen. 2:2). Sunday is the first day of the new creation.
8. Sunday is not the sabbath. Bible-believing Christians do not observe the sabbath by assembling on Sunday. The New Testament believer is redeemed from the obligations of the Law of Moses. Romans 14:1-13 and Colossians 2:16 clearly state that believers are not to be judged in respect to holy days. The Galatians’ respect of holy days caused the apostle Paul to fear that they were not even saved! See Galatians 4:10-11, 20.
9. The idea that Sunday observance will be the mark of the beast is not found in Scripture. This idea came from Ellen White. It is true that the Antichrist will “think to change times and laws” (Daniel 7:25), yet nowhere does the Bible say that this will involve the sabbath or Sunday. The Bible does not reveal exactly what laws the Antichrist will change.
FALSE TEACHING # 3: SOUL SLEEP
The Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches that those who die do not go to heaven or to hell but their soul sleeps unconsciously in the grave until the resurrection.
“To be dead does not mean to go to heaven; it does not mean to go to hell; it does not mean to go to purgatory. Indeed, it does not mean to go anywhere at all. It means simply an end of life. ... Death is cessation of life, an absence of life, the exact opposite of life. ... The man does not live; the body does not live; the soul does not live; the spirit does not live; the mind does not live. Intelligence ends, consciousness ends, memory ends, knowledge ends, thought ends” (When A Man Dies, p. 20).
Adventism teaches that the body and soul are not separate entities that can be parted at death.
“...the soul of man nowhere is represented as a separate, conscious part of man existing as such when the body sleeps in death... the soul of man comes with the breath; it goes with the breath. ... It has no function or power of manifestation or of action, no existence, apart from the body...” (When A Man Dies, pp. 32, 33).
They teach that the spirit is the breath.
“... notice Job 27:3: ‘All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils.’ Again we find in the margin that spirit might also be translated ‘breath.’ The two words are often used interchangeably in Scripture. ... Now listen. ‘And breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.’ Nowhere are we told in Scripture that God gave man a living soul. Man became a living soul as the result of the union of the body with the breath of life. ... It is clear that the spirit that a man received from God and that goes back to God when he dies, is what God put into his nostrils. ... when he dies, the two separate. The dust returns to the ground. The breath, or spark of life, from saint or sinner, returns to God who gave it. The living, loving, acting soul does not go anywhere. It simply ceases to be a conscious entity until the resurrection morning, when the body and the breath of life are united again. That is Scripture pure and simple!” (Planet in Rebellion, pp. 320-323).
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
1. The word “soul” has different meanings in Scripture. Sometimes it does refer to the whole man. Often, though, it refers to a conscious, immaterial part of man that exists apart from the body beyond death. Words in the Bible must be defined by the context in which they are found.
Old Testament examples of the soul as an immaterial, conscious part of the man are seen in Genesis 35:18 and 1 Kings 17:21-22. In Genesis 35 the death of Rachel is recorded, and we are told that her soul departed when she died. “... as her soul was in departing, (for she died)...” In 1 Kings 17 a young boy died and was raised again through Elijah’s ministry. The Bible plainly says that his soul departed and then returned: “... O Lord my God, I pray thee, let this child’s soul come into him again. And the Lord heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.” Obviously the prophet Elijah did not have the same idea about the soul and death as the Adventists do.
In the New Testament, the word “soul” is also used to describe a spiritual part of man distinct from his body. “... I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Th. 5:23). Here we are told that man has three parts. Paul did not say man IS a soul; he says man HAS a soul.
2. The word “spirit” also has various meanings in Scripture. Just as the word “soul” does not always refer to the whole man, but often refers to the immaterial part of man, even so the word “spirit” does not always mean breath. Spirit often refers to the conscious, immaterial part of man that is distinct from his body and that is separated from the body at death.
This is the meaning in Genesis 45:26-27, where the spirit is used interchangeably with the heart. “And Jacob’s HEART FAINTED, for he believed them not. And they told him all the words of Joseph, which he had said unto them: and when he saw the wagons which Joseph had sent to carry him, THE SPIRIT OF JACOB THEIR FATHER REVIVED.” Obviously, this passage does not refer to the spirit as the breath! In Exodus 6:9, the children of Israel had “anguish of spirit.” Was it their breath that was anguished! How silly. The word “spirit” obviously means something different in Scripture than breath. Again, in Exodus 35:21, the Bible describes those who contributed toward the construction of the tabernacle as those “whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing.” Deuteronomy 2:30 is another example of this. Here we find God hardening the spirit of King Sihon. In 1 Kings 21:5 King Ahab is said to have had a “sad spirit.” Certainly none of these references could be construed as speaking of the spirit as the breath. The Seventh-day Adventist doctrine that the spirit is limited to breath is contrary to the Bible’s own teaching.
3. The New Testament plainly describes death as a departure of the spirit from the body. When we come to the New Testament, any uncertainty remaining from our Old Testament studies disappears in the light of full revelation. One uniform doctrine of death is found throughout the New Testament. Here death is plainly seen as a departure of the spirit from the body. Death means separation, not cessation. (This is how Adam and Eve could die the same day they partook of the fruit. They died spiritually. They were “dead in trespasses and sins.” Later they died physically and the soul was separated from the body.) This has been the orthodox doctrine of death throughout the New Testament age.
New Testament reasons for believing that death is a departure of the spirit from the body to another conscious realm of existence.
First, it is the body that dies (Jam. 2:26).
Second, Paul testified that death is a journey. See 2 Corinthians 5:6-7; Philippians 1:23-24; and 2 Timothy 4:6.
Third, Jesus’ promise to the thief on the cross shows that death is a departure. “And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise” (Lk. 23:43). Adventists claim that this passage is not translated correctly, that the comma should be after the word “today.” “Verily I say unto thee today, ‘Thou shalt be with me in paradise.’” No Bible translation reads like this. It is merely an effort to twist the passage to fit false Adventist doctrine, but the Lord Jesus Christ promised the repentant thief that he would be with him in paradise that very day.
Fourth, the story of Lazarus and the rich man shows that death is a departure. The proper names (Lazarus, Abraham) Jesus used in this story prove that He was speaking about an historical scene, rather than giving a parable. The Lord’s parables did not contain such details. Yet even if it this was a parable, it would still teach literal truth. “... the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments...” (Lk. 16:22-23). This passage teaches that death is a journey of the soul either to Heaven or to Hell.
Fifth, the dead saints will return with Christ from Heaven at the time of the resurrection and rapture of the saved. This shows that dead saints go to Heaven at death. “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so THEM ALSO WHICH SLEEP IN JESUS WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM” (1 Th. 4:14). According to the Bible, the dead are not sleeping in the grave as the Adventists claim. Rather, they are in Heaven and they will return from there with Jesus!
Sixth, John’s heavenly visions show dead saints in Heaven before the resurrection and during the Great Tribulation on earth. See Revelation 6:9-11. This is another indisputable testimony that dead saints are not sleeping in the grave, but are residing in Heaven awaiting the return of Christ to earth.
Seventh, Moses’ and Elijah’s appearance on the Mount of Transfiguration proves that the dead have conscious existence between death and resurrection. See Luke 9:28-33. That Peter and the other apostles were not just seeing a future millennial scene is demonstrated by the fact that Moses and Elijah were speaking with the Lord Jesus about His approaching death. Moses and Elijah, though dead, appeared on that mountain and conversed about events that were soon to take place in Jerusalem. It is obvious that Moses and Elias are not sleeping in the grave.
It is plain from this survey of the New Testament that man has a spirit or soul that departs from his body at death and that lives eternally either in Heaven or in Hell. The Bible speaks of death BOTH as a sleep and as a journey. It is the sleep of the body and the journey of the spirit.
Even in the Old Testament we are taught that death meant separation from the body by the spirit. In Genesis 25:8 Abraham “gave up the ghost, and died ... and was gathered to his people.” This cannot mean simply that he was gathered to the grave, because Abraham’s people were not buried in Mamre. They were buried in Haran a long distance away (Ge. 11:31-32). In Genesis 35:18, it is recorded that Rachel’s soul departed at her death. 1 Kings 17 tells us that when the widow’s son died, his soul had departed (vv. 21-22). God told Moses in Numbers 27:13 that he would be “gathered unto” his people. For two reasons, this could not mean that he would sleep in a grave. First, Moses’ people were not buried in the wilderness where he died. Second, Moses appeared centuries later with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration, and he was quite conscious at that time.
Thus, no matter where we look in the Scripture, we see that death does not mean sleeping unconsciously in the grave. The passages that speak of death as sleep are speaking poetically. Some Old Testament references to death, particularly in the book of Ecclesiastes, speak of it from the viewpoint of this world. In that sense, it is true that the dead do not praise God in this world. The theme of Ecclesiastes is “under the sun,” and it describes man’s attempt to understand life apart from divine revelation.
4. The doctrine of immortality was not fully revealed until the New Testament. See 1 Timothy 1:9-10. It was with the coming of Christ that the doctrine of life beyond the grave was brought to full light. Thus, we must not interpret the New Testament in light of the Old Testament, but the Old in light of the New!
FALSE TEACHING # 4: ANNIHILATION OF THE WICKED
Seventh-day Adventism teaches that the unsaved will be burned up in the lake of fire.
“The theory of eternal torment is one of the false doctrines that constitute the wine of the abomination of Babylon. ... There will then be no lost souls to blaspheme God as they writhe in never-ending torment; no wretched beings in hell will mingle their shrieks with the songs of the saved” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, pp. 470, 477).
They claim that the eternal torment of the wicked cannot be reconciled with God’s love and mercy.
“How repugnant to every emotion of love and mercy, and even to our sense of justice, is the doctrine that the wicked dead are tormented with fire and brimstone in an eternally burning hell” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, p. 469).
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
1. The Bible teaches that the unsaved will endure eternal conscious torment. See Matthew 25:46; Revelation 14:10-11; Revelation 20:10-15. Three times in Mark 9 Christ spoke of hell as “the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched...” (Mk. 9:43-48). This is the language of eternal suffering.
Adventists argue that though the fire is eternal, the punishment is not. This is an impossible interpretation, because Christ taught that the punishment of the unsaved will be worse than a violent destruction or loss of existence. Mark 9:42 warns that would be better for the wicked to hang a millstone about his neck and to be cast into the sea than to endure God’s judgment. In the very next verse, Jesus began to describe the horrors of Hell. In other words, Hell is going to be worse than any violent destruction. The suffering is eternal in duration. In Matthew 26:24, the Lord said Judas’ punishment will be worse than loss of existence. “... it had been good for that man if he had not been born.”
The doctrine of eternal torment might be difficult for us to understand, but God has revealed it and our part is to accept it by faith. Hell is a place of fire, and it is a place where the suffering is eternal. These Scriptures should be a loud warning to every man, woman, and child that life is no game; salvation is not a thing to delay for even an hour. No time should be wasted in finding security in the Saviour whose blood “cleanseth us from all sin.” No effort should be spared in reaching lost souls for Christ. Hell’s torment is as eternal in duration as Heaven’s bliss.
2. God’s mercy does not erase His holy justice. God’s justice was satisfied in the atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ, but those who reject His great salvation must suffer for their own sins. God has given His Son to die on the cross to redeem men from their sins. Through this atonement, God’s holy justice was satisfied (Isaiah 53:11), and He offers full pardon and eternal life to every sinner that responds in repentance and faith. Those who reject the Savior’s suffering must suffer for their own sin. Adventism claims that God would be unjust to make Christ-rejecters suffer eternally for their sins, but who are we to question God’s justice?
FALSE TEACHING # 5: ELLEN WHITE A PROPHETESS
Seventh-day Adventism believes that Ellen White was a prophetess. Consider some quotes from their writings:
“Seventh-day Adventists believe that Mrs. Ellen G. White exercised the true prophetic gift. They believe that God graciously spoke to her in divine revelations, and that through her He sent inspired messages to His church. ... The Seventh-day Adventist Church is indebted to her as a spiritual leader and a pioneer builder and guide. In most of the soul-winning activities of the church, from its very beginnings, the leaders received guidance from what they believed were the prophetic insights of this servant of God” (D.A. Delafield, Ellen G. White and the Seventh-day Adventist Church, pp. 2, 10-11).
“The Holy Spirit that inspired Moses, Paul, and John, also inspired Sister White. The inspiration of the prophets is one thing” (The Spirit of Prophecy Treasure Chest, p. 30).
“The Ellen White books have been likened also to a telescope which greatly enlarges the vision of God’s plans as revealed in His word” (Ellen G. White and the Seventh-day Adventist Church, p. 34).
“These messages, we believe, should be faithfully followed by every believer. Next to the Bible, and in connection with it, they should be read and studied. They throw a floodlight upon the Sacred record” (Prophetic Guidance, Lesson 16, p. 60).
“Consistency calls for acceptance of the Spirit of Prophecy writings as a whole. We cannot justify accepting part and rejecting part. For example, to accept one of Mrs. White’s books of a devotional character while questioning what she has written on doctrine, morals, or health standards, is really accepting one part and rejecting another” (Prophetic Guidance, Lesson 18, p. 70).
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY?
1. Mrs. White taught doctrines that deviate from New Testament Revelation. See Isaiah 8:20; Romans 16:17-18. The fact that a group holds many true doctrines does not mean we are to overlook its heresies. False imitations of Christianity have always been characterized by a mixture of truth and error. The Galatian heretics were apparently orthodox in most of their doctrines. We have no reason to believe they were anything but orthodox about the Trinity, Christ’s Deity, the Resurrection, and Biblical Inspiration, but the fact that they added to Paul’s gospel brought upon them a divine curse (Galatians 1:8-9). In fact, they were all the more dangerous because of their seeming orthodoxy. Rat poison is at least 95% harmless.
Romans 16:17 warns us to mark and avoid those that cause divisions contrary to the doctrine which we have learned. Seventh-day Adventism is guilty of this. They cause divisions contrary to the apostolic doctrine of death, of sabbath-keeping, of Hell, of the ministry of Christ during this present age, of the Mosaic Law, of the woman’s place in the church, and of the apostolic doctrine of the last days, and others.
2. Ellen White contradicted herself and was a hypocrite.
Consider two examples:
She taught that women should abstain from wearing jewelry.
“To dress plainly, abstaining from display of jewelry and ornaments of every kind, is in keeping with our faith” (White, Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 366).
Ellen White did not follow her own teaching. She wore jewelry, including broaches, expensive pins with white stones, and chains. In “Did Ellen White Wear Jewelry?” S. Cleveland and D. Anderson document this fact (http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/contra7.htm).
She taught that photography is idolatry.
“This making and exchanging of photographs is a species of Idolatry. Satan is doing all he can to eclipse heaven from our view. Let us not help him by making picture-idols” (White, Messages to Young People, p. 316).
Mrs. White often sat for pictures, contrary to her own teaching.
3. Women are not to teach nor usurp authority over men. God calls men, not women, to lead the churches (1 Timothy 2:11-12). There were no female apostles, and women are not qualified to be pastor-elders (1 Tim. 3:1-2; Tit. 1:5-6). Ellen White lived in direct opposition to these commands. She was a leading figure in the development of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. She addressed large crowds of men.
4. The true prophetic gift was to cease when its purposes for this age were fulfilled.
“Charity never faileth: but WHETHER THERE BE PROPHECIES, THEY SHALL FAIL; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away” (1 Cor. 13:8-10).
The context of 1 Corinthians 13 pertains to spiritual gifts. The entire section from chapter 12 to 14 deals with this subject. 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 refers to the revelation gifts of prophecy, knowledge, and tongues, through which God spoke to the early churches. These gifts were to pass away upon completion of their divine purpose, just as many other elements of God’s program for the ages have passed away.
Since the Bible says that point prophecy will cease, when did this happen? The answer is found in Ephesians 2:20. This verse groups the prophets and the apostles together and says that they laid the foundation for the church. They preached the gospel, established the first churches, and wrote the New Testament Scriptures under divine inspiration. Their job was then complete. The foundation was firmly laid, and they were no longer needed. Just as there are no apostles today, in the early church sense, there are also no prophets in the sense of receiving and imparting revelation. In this sense, “prophecy” has “failed.”
Ellen White could not have had the New Testament gift of prophecy, because that gift ceased with the passing of the apostles and prophets and the completion of the Bible.
The Christian faith was delivered once for all to the saints during the days of the apostles (Jude 3). It is not to be added to or tampered with. Rather, it is to be contended for. The Holy Spirit has given everything necessary to make the “man of God perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works” (2 Tim. 3:16-17). This refers to the completed Scriptures, and a seal was placed in the last chapter of the Book, warning all men against claiming to have some new or fresh word from God (Rev. 22:18-19).
Did Mrs. White add to the things contained in the Bible? In just one vision that in the book Early Writings (pages 14-20), she added the following things: She said that Jesus’ hair is curly and shoulder length and that His trumpet is silver. She said that it takes seven days to ascend to heaven. She described tree trunks of transparent gold, fruit that looks like gold mixed with silver, houses that have the appearance of silver supported by pillars set with pearls, and shelves of gold, fields of flowers, “little ones” with wings, tables of stone engraved with the 144,000, and a silver table many miles in length.
She also said that God offered Satan a pardon (The Great Controversy, pp. 495-96), that the serpent had wings (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, pp. 39-40), that Enoch’s face radiated light (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 57), and that angels who golden cards that they carry with them (Early Writings, p. 39).
There is no doubt that Ellen White’s visions added to the Bible’s prophecies. Those who refuse to accept the Bible as the final Word of God for this age always receive another word through false visions and prophecies. Seventh-day Adventism is the product of this great error.
5. Ellen White’s prophecies did not come to pass. See Deuteronomy 18:22.
In the book Seventh-day Adventism and the Writings of Ellen White, J. Mark Martin documents many false prophecies that were published by Mrs. White. These include the following:
Old Jerusalem Never Built Up
“I also saw that Old Jerusalem never would be built up; and that Satan was doing his utmost to lead the minds of the children of the Lord into these things now, in the gathering time” (Early Writings, p. 75).
In fact, old Jerusalem has been built up extensively since the birth of the modern state of Israel in 1948.
Adventists Living in 1856 Would See Jesus Return
In May 1865 Ellen White declared in a meeting in Battle Creek, Michigan, that some present would “remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus” (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, pp. 131-132).
England Would Attack the United States
“... when England does declare war, all nations will have an interest of their own to serve, and there will be general war, general confusion. ... this nation [the United States] will ... be humbled into the dust” (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, p. 259).
In fact, England did not declare war and the United States was not humbled into the dust.
FALSE TEACHING # 6: INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT
According to Ellen White, Jesus entered the heavenly holy of holies to begin an investigative judgment of the records (deeds and thoughts) of those that have professed faith in Christ. The judgment is supposedly based on the Ten Commandments, and the character of each person will be tested by the standard of this law to determine his eternal destiny. During this heavenly judgment, God has allegedly raised up the Seventh-day Adventist Church to proclaim the gospel to the world. When the judgment is finished, Christ will return to the earth, destroy the wicked, resurrect the saved (who have allegedly been sleeping in the grave), and place all sins upon Satan.
“Every man’s work passes in review before God and is registered for faithfulness or unfaithfulness. Opposite each name in the books of heaven is entered with terrible exactness every wrong word, every selfish act, every unfulfilled duty, and every secret sin, with every artful dissembling. ... The law of God is the standard by which the characters and the lives of men will be tested in the judgment. ... Every name is mentioned, every case closely investigated. Names are accepted, names rejected. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of God’s remembrance. ... All who have truly repented of sin, and by faith claimed the blood of Christ as their atoning sacrifice, have had pardon entered against their names in the books of heaven; as they have become partakers of the righteousness of Christ, and their characters are found to be in harmony with the law of God, their sins will be blotted out, and they themselves will be accounted worthy of eternal life. ... Sins that have not been repented of and forsaken will not be pardoned and blotted out of the books of record, but will stand to witness against the sinner in the day of God” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, pp. 424-425, 428).
“The righteous dead will not be raised until after the judgment at which they are accounted worthy of ‘the resurrection of life.’ Hence they will not be present in person at the tribunal when their records are examined and their cases decided. ... Everyone must be tested and found without spot or wrinkle or any such thing. ... When the work of the investigative judgment closes, the destiny of all will have been decided for life or death” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, pp. 431-432).
“When the investigative judgment closes, Christ will come, and His reward will be with Him to give every man as his work shall be. ... Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, the originator and instigator of sin. The scapegoat, bearing the sins of Israel, was sent away ‘unto a land not inhabited’ (Lev. 16:22); so Satan, bearing the guilt of all the sins which he has caused God’s people to commit, will be for a thousand years confined to the earth, which will then be desolate, without inhabitant, and he will at last suffer the full penalty of sin in the fires that shall destroy all the wicked” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, p. 427).
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
1. The believer will not be judged by the Ten Commandments and will not lose his salvation if his service is unacceptable. The believer has eternal life (John 3:16). He has already passed from death unto life (John 5:24). He is safe in Christ and stands and rejoices in hope of the glory of God (Romans 5:1-2). He has no fear of future wrath, for he is complete in Christ (Romans 5:9). All punishment for his sin fell on Christ, and he is forever free. Christ took the believer’s unrighteousness upon Himself and gave the believer His very righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21).
2. The believer’s judgment is an examination of his service to Christ to determine whether he will be rewarded or suffer loss of reward. See 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 and 2 Corinthians 5:5, 9-10.
Consider some important differences between the judgment described in these passages and the Investigative Judgment of Seventh-day Adventism: (1) Christ’s judgment of believers does not determine their salvation. Those who stand at the judgment of 1 Corinthians 3 will be there because they have already been saved, not in order to determine whether or not they will be saved. The ones judged in 1 Corinthians 3 are those that have established their lives upon the solid foundation of Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 3:11-12). (2) The believer’s judgment will not result in damnation, torment, or separation from God. Believers whose works fail the test will suffer shame and loss of reward, but not loss of salvation. “If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire” (1 Cor. 3:15). Words could not be plainer. (3) Notice, too, that the believer shall appear personally before his Lord. “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ” (2 Cor. 5:10). According"to Adventist theology, the believer’s judgment occurs in the heavenly holy of holies between 1844 and the Second Coming, while the believer himself is supposedly on earth or sleeping in the grave. This is not what the apostle Paul taught.
3. It is unscriptural to identify Satan with the scapegoat of Leviticus 16. Both goats of the Day of Atonement—the one slain and the one released into the wilderness—represent the Lord Jesus Christ. The slain goat pictures the act of Christ’s atonement: it is a bloody sacrifice. The released goat pictures the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement: it is accomplished once for all and is forever complete. To interpret the scapegoat as a reference to Satan is blasphemous. Adventism finds confirmation of this doctrine, not in Scripture rightly divided, but in the visions of Ellen White, which is yet another example of how they have added to the Bible’s revelation.
FALSE TEACHING # 7: MISUSING THE LAW OF MOSES
A foundational error of Seventh-day Adventism is its misuse of the Law of Moses. This is the same heresy that many of the Jews of Paul’s day were guilty of. It is the heresy that he confronted in his epistle to the Galatians.
Four Adventist Errors about the Law
1. According to Adventism, law and grace are not opposing systems, but both work together for man’s salvation.
“The fact that all who are redeemed are saved by grace does not dispense with the law of God any more in the one dispensation than in the other. The law is not against grace, and grace is not against the law” (Charles Everson, Saved By Grace, p. 11).
2. The Law of Moses is the standard by which God shall judge believers.
“The law of God is the standard by which the characters and the lives of men will be tested in the judgment. ... Those who in the judgment are ‘accounted worthy’ will have a part in the resurrection of the just” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, pp. 423-425).
3. The Law of Moses is the believer’s rule of life.
“Instead of being free to ignore and break the law because he is saved by grace, he is now doubly obligated to keep it. ... It is very evident, then, that in the new covenant we do not see the law a thing of no consequence, but we find it occupying the center of the covenant” (Charles Everson, Saved By Grace, pp. 23, 36).
“The Ten Commandments are the only perfect rule of conduct in this world today. God gave man the Decalogue as a rule of life” (J.L. Shuler, The Great Judgment Day, pp. 113-114).
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
The following is a summary of every major New Testament passage dealing with the law. The reader is encouraged to look up and study each one of the passages. We are confident the Lord will encourage you in the glorious eternal liberty the believer has in Christ Jesus.
1. The Law of Moses has one main purpose, and that is to lead men to Jesus Christ. A man is saved and justified by faith ALONE through grace ALONE, apart from the law. Because of man’s fallen condition, the law can only condemn him. The law is indeed holy and good, but it can do nothing for sinful man except to reveal his wicked condition and lead him to Christ. See Romans 3:19-20; 5:20; Romans 7:7-13; 1 Corinthians 15:56; 2 Corinthians 5:5-13; Galatians 2:16; 3:9-24; 1 Timothy 1:6-11.
“The law demands strength from one that has none, and curses him if he cannot display it. The Gospel gives strength to one that has none, and blesses him in the exhibition of it. The law proposes life as the end of obedience, the Gospel gives life as the only proper ground of obedience” (C.H. Mackintosh, Notes on the Pentateuch, pp. 232-233).
2. The Law of Moses holds no power over the believer; he is placed in Christ entirely out of the law’s grasp. The law can no more bring condemnation to the believer than it can to Christ Himself, since the believer has been made perfect in Christ. The law has no more power over the believer than the dead husband has over a living wife. The apostles did not teach the Adventist doctrine that the believer is to conform his life to the standard of the law by the power of the resurrected Christ, and that if he fails to do so the law will condemn him in the day of judgment. See Romans 5:1-2, 6-11; 6:3-7; 8:8-10; 10:4; 7:4; Galatians 3:24-29.
3. The Ten Commandments is a covenant of death that is done away with in Christ. Adventist teachers protest that the moral law, represented in the Ten Commandments, was not done away at the cross of Christ and that only the ceremonial law was done away. But the New Testament describes even the Ten Commandments as a covenant of death! The Mosaic Law as a whole had one chief purpose. It was given by God to fallen man in order to show him his sin and his need of the Savior. See 2 Corinthians 3:6-13.
The apostle said that the law written in stone is done away with in Christ, and that refers to the Ten Commandments. Two times the apostle tells us that the Ten Commandments are abolished. Two times he tells us that the Ten Commandments were a ministration of death and condemnation! Words could not be plainer. For the Adventist teacher to come along and point the believer back to the Law of Moses as a rule of life is a great evil.
5. The Law of Moses is not the believer’s rule of life. The believer is told to put on Christ and to follow the Spirit of God. The believer’s objective is not to be conformed to the law, but to be conformed to the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29). The Holy Spirit molds and transforms the believer’s life into the image of the Lord Jesus. Romans 8:11-14; 8:29; 13:13-14; 2 Corinthians 3:18; Galatians 5:16-25; Ephesians 4:20-24; Colossians 3:9-11.
“If the law be indeed the rule of a believer’s life, where are we to find it so presented in the New Testament? The inspired Apostle evidently had no thought of its being the rule when he penned the following words: ‘For in Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and on the Israel of God’ (Gal. 6:15-16). What ‘rule’? The law? No; but the ‘new creation.’ Where shall we find this in Exodus 20? It speaks not a word about ‘new creation.’ On the contrary, it addresses itself to man as he is—in his natural or old-creation state—and puts him to the test as to what he is really able to do. Now if the law were the rule by which believers are to walk, why does the apostle pronounce his benediction on those who walk by another rule altogether? Why does he not say, as many as walk according to rule of the Ten Commandments? Is it not evident, from this one passage, that the Church of God has a higher rule by which to walk?” (C.H. Mackintosh, Notes on the Pentateuch, pp. 232-233).
“I, as a Christian, obey all law that is moral in the Decalogue, not because it is in the Law, but because it is in the Gospel. Worship of God only is enjoined fifty times in the New Testament; idolatry is forbidden twelve times; profanity four times; honor of father and mother is commanded six times; adultery is forbidden twelve; theft six; false witness four; and covetousness, nine times. ‘The Ten Commandments,’ as Luther says, ‘do not apply to us Gentiles and Christians, but only to the Jews.’ So therefore, Paul, in all his fourteen epistles, never once names the Sabbath—except in a single passage where, classing it with the entire law, he declares it has been totally abolished. So the early church held” (William C. Irvine, Heresies Exposed, p. 165).
6. Law and Grace are two different systems that cannot be mixed in salvation. We have already looked at this under the section on the Seventh-day Adventist’s false gospel of grace plus law. See Acts 15:8-11; Romans 3:18-25; 4:4-5; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8-10.
7. To point believers back to the Law of Moses as a rule of life is to place them back under legalistic bondage, bringing a curse upon the one who teaches this heresy as well as upon the one who follows it. The apostles condemned in the strongest language those who tried to get believers to return to the Law of Moses as a rule of life. This refutes the Seventh-day Adventist doctrine that the law is a blessing to the justified man. See Galatians 1:7-9; 2:4; 3:1-9; 4:9-11, 19-21; 5:1-9.
Christ came to redeem men from bondage to the law, to remove their condemnation by paying the price the law demanded for man’s sin. Those who try to bring believers back under the law are deceiving men and pointing them away from the finished work of Christ and true Bible freedom in Him. They themselves are cursed because of their false gospel, and they are leading others away from the truth. The goal of salvation is not to bring the believer to the law, but to present him perfect in Christ!
FALSE TEACHING # 8: VEGETARIANISM
Ellen White warned against eating meat and promoted vegetarianism.
“Among those who are waiting for the coming of the Lord, meat eating will eventually be done away; flesh will cease to form a part of their diet. We should ever keep this end in view, and endeavor to work steadily toward it. I cannot think that in the practice of flesh eating we are in harmony with the light which God has been pleased to give us. All who are connected with our health institutions especially should be educating themselves to subsist on fruits, grains, and vegetables” (Ellen White, Counsels on Diet and Foods, pp. 380-81).
“Let not any of our ministers set an evil example in the eating of flesh-meat. Let them and their families live up to the light of health reform. Let not our ministers animalize their own nature and the nature of their children” (Ellen White, Spalding and Magan, p. 211).
This teaching was part of White’s health program, which she claimed was given to her by divine revelation in 1863.
Today the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventist’s Nutrition Council recommends abstaining from meat, fish, coffee, and tea.
Here we will only deal with the issue of vegetarianism. From Adam to Noah, men were vegetarians, stemming from God’s command in Genesis 1:29-30, but after the flood, men were instructed to eat meat as well as vegetables (Genesis 9:3). Under the Law of Moses, the nation Israel continued to eat meat, and some animals were designated clean and others unclean. The Lord Jesus Christ lived under the law as a Jew and followed the Mosaic dietary system. He was not a vegetarian. We know that He ate fish (Lk. 24:42-43) and He ate lamb, which was required during the Passover (Exodus 12:6-8).
There are only three teachings about diet in the New Testament.
First, Peter was taught that the Old Testament dietary restrictions are no longer in effect for the New Testament believer (Acts 10:9-16). The truth of this was emphasized in that the command to rise, kill, and eat was repeated three times. This passage single-handedly refutes the following claims: that the Mosaic dietary restrictions are in force in the New Testament churches, that the Mosaic dietary restrictions were for health purposes (if that were true, God would have kept them in force), that eating meat is unhealthy, that vegetarianism is a superior program, and that is cruel to kill animals.
Second, we are taught that in the New Testament dispensation diet is entirely a matter of personal liberty (Romans 14:1-6) and we are not to judge others in such matters (Romans 14:13).
Third, we have a warning about those who teach against eating meat (1 Timothy 4:1-6) and we are told that to require a vegetarian diet is a doctrine of devils. This one heresy is sufficient to mark Ellen White as a heretic who was under the control of the Devil.
To go beyond the Bible’s clear teaching in this matter and to create dietary programs that purport to have a scriptural basis and or to be derived from extra-biblical prophecy or otherwise to have divine approval is heresy.
The New Testament plainly states that “every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer” (1 Timothy 4:4-5).
Thus, according to Scripture, diet in this dispensation is a personal and individual matter. Each person is different, with his own metabolism, taste, culture, lifestyle, health, and occupation; and diet must be determined on this basis and not on some plan purporting to be from the Bible.
I am not saying that all diets are equally healthy; I am merely saying that there is no one diet that is required by the Bible, and vegetarianism is certainly not upheld by Scripture.
The writer of Hebrews warned:
“Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein” (Heb. 13:9).
Salvation and spirituality are not determined by what you eat but by whether or not you have submitted to the gospel of Christ’s grace. A doctrine of meats or special diet is a strange and unscriptural doctrine!
In spite of her own teaching against eating meat, which she claimed was based on a vision she had in 1863, Ellen White continued eating meat most of her life. This is documented extensively in “Oysters and Herrings” by M. Chugg and D. Anderson, http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/contra6.htm.
Seventh-day Adventism teaches that the unsaved will be burned up in the lake of fire.
“The theory of eternal torment is one of the false doctrines that constitute the wine of the abomination of Babylon. ... There will then be no lost souls to blaspheme God as they writhe in never-ending torment; no wretched beings in hell will mingle their shrieks with the songs of the saved” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, pp. 470, 477).
They claim that the eternal torment of the wicked cannot be reconciled with God’s love and mercy.
“How repugnant to every emotion of love and mercy, and even to our sense of justice, is the doctrine that the wicked dead are tormented with fire and brimstone in an eternally burning hell” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, p. 469).
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
1. The Bible teaches that the unsaved will endure eternal conscious torment. See Matthew 25:46; Revelation 14:10-11; Revelation 20:10-15. Three times in Mark 9 Christ spoke of hell as “the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched...” (Mk. 9:43-48). This is the language of eternal suffering.
Adventists argue that though the fire is eternal, the punishment is not. This is an impossible interpretation, because Christ taught that the punishment of the unsaved will be worse than a violent destruction or loss of existence. Mark 9:42 warns that would be better for the wicked to hang a millstone about his neck and to be cast into the sea than to endure God’s judgment. In the very next verse, Jesus began to describe the horrors of Hell. In other words, Hell is going to be worse than any violent destruction. The suffering is eternal in duration. In Matthew 26:24, the Lord said Judas’ punishment will be worse than loss of existence. “... it had been good for that man if he had not been born.”
The doctrine of eternal torment might be difficult for us to understand, but God has revealed it and our part is to accept it by faith. Hell is a place of fire, and it is a place where the suffering is eternal. These Scriptures should be a loud warning to every man, woman, and child that life is no game; salvation is not a thing to delay for even an hour. No time should be wasted in finding security in the Saviour whose blood “cleanseth us from all sin.” No effort should be spared in reaching lost souls for Christ. Hell’s torment is as eternal in duration as Heaven’s bliss.
2. God’s mercy does not erase His holy justice. God’s justice was satisfied in the atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ, but those who reject His great salvation must suffer for their own sins. God has given His Son to die on the cross to redeem men from their sins. Through this atonement, God’s holy justice was satisfied (Isaiah 53:11), and He offers full pardon and eternal life to every sinner that responds in repentance and faith. Those who reject the Savior’s suffering must suffer for their own sin. Adventism claims that God would be unjust to make Christ-rejecters suffer eternally for their sins, but who are we to question God’s justice?
FALSE TEACHING # 5: ELLEN WHITE A PROPHETESS
Seventh-day Adventism believes that Ellen White was a prophetess. Consider some quotes from their writings:
“Seventh-day Adventists believe that Mrs. Ellen G. White exercised the true prophetic gift. They believe that God graciously spoke to her in divine revelations, and that through her He sent inspired messages to His church. ... The Seventh-day Adventist Church is indebted to her as a spiritual leader and a pioneer builder and guide. In most of the soul-winning activities of the church, from its very beginnings, the leaders received guidance from what they believed were the prophetic insights of this servant of God” (D.A. Delafield, Ellen G. White and the Seventh-day Adventist Church, pp. 2, 10-11).
“The Holy Spirit that inspired Moses, Paul, and John, also inspired Sister White. The inspiration of the prophets is one thing” (The Spirit of Prophecy Treasure Chest, p. 30).
“The Ellen White books have been likened also to a telescope which greatly enlarges the vision of God’s plans as revealed in His word” (Ellen G. White and the Seventh-day Adventist Church, p. 34).
“These messages, we believe, should be faithfully followed by every believer. Next to the Bible, and in connection with it, they should be read and studied. They throw a floodlight upon the Sacred record” (Prophetic Guidance, Lesson 16, p. 60).
“Consistency calls for acceptance of the Spirit of Prophecy writings as a whole. We cannot justify accepting part and rejecting part. For example, to accept one of Mrs. White’s books of a devotional character while questioning what she has written on doctrine, morals, or health standards, is really accepting one part and rejecting another” (Prophetic Guidance, Lesson 18, p. 70).
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY?
1. Mrs. White taught doctrines that deviate from New Testament Revelation. See Isaiah 8:20; Romans 16:17-18. The fact that a group holds many true doctrines does not mean we are to overlook its heresies. False imitations of Christianity have always been characterized by a mixture of truth and error. The Galatian heretics were apparently orthodox in most of their doctrines. We have no reason to believe they were anything but orthodox about the Trinity, Christ’s Deity, the Resurrection, and Biblical Inspiration, but the fact that they added to Paul’s gospel brought upon them a divine curse (Galatians 1:8-9). In fact, they were all the more dangerous because of their seeming orthodoxy. Rat poison is at least 95% harmless.
Romans 16:17 warns us to mark and avoid those that cause divisions contrary to the doctrine which we have learned. Seventh-day Adventism is guilty of this. They cause divisions contrary to the apostolic doctrine of death, of sabbath-keeping, of Hell, of the ministry of Christ during this present age, of the Mosaic Law, of the woman’s place in the church, and of the apostolic doctrine of the last days, and others.
2. Ellen White contradicted herself and was a hypocrite.
Consider two examples:
She taught that women should abstain from wearing jewelry.
“To dress plainly, abstaining from display of jewelry and ornaments of every kind, is in keeping with our faith” (White, Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 366).
Ellen White did not follow her own teaching. She wore jewelry, including broaches, expensive pins with white stones, and chains. In “Did Ellen White Wear Jewelry?” S. Cleveland and D. Anderson document this fact (http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/contra7.htm).
She taught that photography is idolatry.
“This making and exchanging of photographs is a species of Idolatry. Satan is doing all he can to eclipse heaven from our view. Let us not help him by making picture-idols” (White, Messages to Young People, p. 316).
Mrs. White often sat for pictures, contrary to her own teaching.
3. Women are not to teach nor usurp authority over men. God calls men, not women, to lead the churches (1 Timothy 2:11-12). There were no female apostles, and women are not qualified to be pastor-elders (1 Tim. 3:1-2; Tit. 1:5-6). Ellen White lived in direct opposition to these commands. She was a leading figure in the development of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. She addressed large crowds of men.
4. The true prophetic gift was to cease when its purposes for this age were fulfilled.
“Charity never faileth: but WHETHER THERE BE PROPHECIES, THEY SHALL FAIL; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away” (1 Cor. 13:8-10).
The context of 1 Corinthians 13 pertains to spiritual gifts. The entire section from chapter 12 to 14 deals with this subject. 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 refers to the revelation gifts of prophecy, knowledge, and tongues, through which God spoke to the early churches. These gifts were to pass away upon completion of their divine purpose, just as many other elements of God’s program for the ages have passed away.
Since the Bible says that point prophecy will cease, when did this happen? The answer is found in Ephesians 2:20. This verse groups the prophets and the apostles together and says that they laid the foundation for the church. They preached the gospel, established the first churches, and wrote the New Testament Scriptures under divine inspiration. Their job was then complete. The foundation was firmly laid, and they were no longer needed. Just as there are no apostles today, in the early church sense, there are also no prophets in the sense of receiving and imparting revelation. In this sense, “prophecy” has “failed.”
Ellen White could not have had the New Testament gift of prophecy, because that gift ceased with the passing of the apostles and prophets and the completion of the Bible.
The Christian faith was delivered once for all to the saints during the days of the apostles (Jude 3). It is not to be added to or tampered with. Rather, it is to be contended for. The Holy Spirit has given everything necessary to make the “man of God perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works” (2 Tim. 3:16-17). This refers to the completed Scriptures, and a seal was placed in the last chapter of the Book, warning all men against claiming to have some new or fresh word from God (Rev. 22:18-19).
Did Mrs. White add to the things contained in the Bible? In just one vision that in the book Early Writings (pages 14-20), she added the following things: She said that Jesus’ hair is curly and shoulder length and that His trumpet is silver. She said that it takes seven days to ascend to heaven. She described tree trunks of transparent gold, fruit that looks like gold mixed with silver, houses that have the appearance of silver supported by pillars set with pearls, and shelves of gold, fields of flowers, “little ones” with wings, tables of stone engraved with the 144,000, and a silver table many miles in length.
She also said that God offered Satan a pardon (The Great Controversy, pp. 495-96), that the serpent had wings (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, pp. 39-40), that Enoch’s face radiated light (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 57), and that angels who golden cards that they carry with them (Early Writings, p. 39).
There is no doubt that Ellen White’s visions added to the Bible’s prophecies. Those who refuse to accept the Bible as the final Word of God for this age always receive another word through false visions and prophecies. Seventh-day Adventism is the product of this great error.
5. Ellen White’s prophecies did not come to pass. See Deuteronomy 18:22.
In the book Seventh-day Adventism and the Writings of Ellen White, J. Mark Martin documents many false prophecies that were published by Mrs. White. These include the following:
Old Jerusalem Never Built Up
“I also saw that Old Jerusalem never would be built up; and that Satan was doing his utmost to lead the minds of the children of the Lord into these things now, in the gathering time” (Early Writings, p. 75).
In fact, old Jerusalem has been built up extensively since the birth of the modern state of Israel in 1948.
Adventists Living in 1856 Would See Jesus Return
In May 1865 Ellen White declared in a meeting in Battle Creek, Michigan, that some present would “remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus” (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, pp. 131-132).
England Would Attack the United States
“... when England does declare war, all nations will have an interest of their own to serve, and there will be general war, general confusion. ... this nation [the United States] will ... be humbled into the dust” (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, p. 259).
In fact, England did not declare war and the United States was not humbled into the dust.
FALSE TEACHING # 6: INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT
According to Ellen White, Jesus entered the heavenly holy of holies to begin an investigative judgment of the records (deeds and thoughts) of those that have professed faith in Christ. The judgment is supposedly based on the Ten Commandments, and the character of each person will be tested by the standard of this law to determine his eternal destiny. During this heavenly judgment, God has allegedly raised up the Seventh-day Adventist Church to proclaim the gospel to the world. When the judgment is finished, Christ will return to the earth, destroy the wicked, resurrect the saved (who have allegedly been sleeping in the grave), and place all sins upon Satan.
“Every man’s work passes in review before God and is registered for faithfulness or unfaithfulness. Opposite each name in the books of heaven is entered with terrible exactness every wrong word, every selfish act, every unfulfilled duty, and every secret sin, with every artful dissembling. ... The law of God is the standard by which the characters and the lives of men will be tested in the judgment. ... Every name is mentioned, every case closely investigated. Names are accepted, names rejected. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of God’s remembrance. ... All who have truly repented of sin, and by faith claimed the blood of Christ as their atoning sacrifice, have had pardon entered against their names in the books of heaven; as they have become partakers of the righteousness of Christ, and their characters are found to be in harmony with the law of God, their sins will be blotted out, and they themselves will be accounted worthy of eternal life. ... Sins that have not been repented of and forsaken will not be pardoned and blotted out of the books of record, but will stand to witness against the sinner in the day of God” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, pp. 424-425, 428).
“The righteous dead will not be raised until after the judgment at which they are accounted worthy of ‘the resurrection of life.’ Hence they will not be present in person at the tribunal when their records are examined and their cases decided. ... Everyone must be tested and found without spot or wrinkle or any such thing. ... When the work of the investigative judgment closes, the destiny of all will have been decided for life or death” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, pp. 431-432).
“When the investigative judgment closes, Christ will come, and His reward will be with Him to give every man as his work shall be. ... Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, the originator and instigator of sin. The scapegoat, bearing the sins of Israel, was sent away ‘unto a land not inhabited’ (Lev. 16:22); so Satan, bearing the guilt of all the sins which he has caused God’s people to commit, will be for a thousand years confined to the earth, which will then be desolate, without inhabitant, and he will at last suffer the full penalty of sin in the fires that shall destroy all the wicked” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, p. 427).
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
1. The believer will not be judged by the Ten Commandments and will not lose his salvation if his service is unacceptable. The believer has eternal life (John 3:16). He has already passed from death unto life (John 5:24). He is safe in Christ and stands and rejoices in hope of the glory of God (Romans 5:1-2). He has no fear of future wrath, for he is complete in Christ (Romans 5:9). All punishment for his sin fell on Christ, and he is forever free. Christ took the believer’s unrighteousness upon Himself and gave the believer His very righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21).
2. The believer’s judgment is an examination of his service to Christ to determine whether he will be rewarded or suffer loss of reward. See 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 and 2 Corinthians 5:5, 9-10.
Consider some important differences between the judgment described in these passages and the Investigative Judgment of Seventh-day Adventism: (1) Christ’s judgment of believers does not determine their salvation. Those who stand at the judgment of 1 Corinthians 3 will be there because they have already been saved, not in order to determine whether or not they will be saved. The ones judged in 1 Corinthians 3 are those that have established their lives upon the solid foundation of Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 3:11-12). (2) The believer’s judgment will not result in damnation, torment, or separation from God. Believers whose works fail the test will suffer shame and loss of reward, but not loss of salvation. “If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire” (1 Cor. 3:15). Words could not be plainer. (3) Notice, too, that the believer shall appear personally before his Lord. “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ” (2 Cor. 5:10). According"to Adventist theology, the believer’s judgment occurs in the heavenly holy of holies between 1844 and the Second Coming, while the believer himself is supposedly on earth or sleeping in the grave. This is not what the apostle Paul taught.
3. It is unscriptural to identify Satan with the scapegoat of Leviticus 16. Both goats of the Day of Atonement—the one slain and the one released into the wilderness—represent the Lord Jesus Christ. The slain goat pictures the act of Christ’s atonement: it is a bloody sacrifice. The released goat pictures the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement: it is accomplished once for all and is forever complete. To interpret the scapegoat as a reference to Satan is blasphemous. Adventism finds confirmation of this doctrine, not in Scripture rightly divided, but in the visions of Ellen White, which is yet another example of how they have added to the Bible’s revelation.
FALSE TEACHING # 7: MISUSING THE LAW OF MOSES
A foundational error of Seventh-day Adventism is its misuse of the Law of Moses. This is the same heresy that many of the Jews of Paul’s day were guilty of. It is the heresy that he confronted in his epistle to the Galatians.
Four Adventist Errors about the Law
1. According to Adventism, law and grace are not opposing systems, but both work together for man’s salvation.
“The fact that all who are redeemed are saved by grace does not dispense with the law of God any more in the one dispensation than in the other. The law is not against grace, and grace is not against the law” (Charles Everson, Saved By Grace, p. 11).
2. The Law of Moses is the standard by which God shall judge believers.
“The law of God is the standard by which the characters and the lives of men will be tested in the judgment. ... Those who in the judgment are ‘accounted worthy’ will have a part in the resurrection of the just” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, pp. 423-425).
3. The Law of Moses is the believer’s rule of life.
“Instead of being free to ignore and break the law because he is saved by grace, he is now doubly obligated to keep it. ... It is very evident, then, that in the new covenant we do not see the law a thing of no consequence, but we find it occupying the center of the covenant” (Charles Everson, Saved By Grace, pp. 23, 36).
“The Ten Commandments are the only perfect rule of conduct in this world today. God gave man the Decalogue as a rule of life” (J.L. Shuler, The Great Judgment Day, pp. 113-114).
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
The following is a summary of every major New Testament passage dealing with the law. The reader is encouraged to look up and study each one of the passages. We are confident the Lord will encourage you in the glorious eternal liberty the believer has in Christ Jesus.
1. The Law of Moses has one main purpose, and that is to lead men to Jesus Christ. A man is saved and justified by faith ALONE through grace ALONE, apart from the law. Because of man’s fallen condition, the law can only condemn him. The law is indeed holy and good, but it can do nothing for sinful man except to reveal his wicked condition and lead him to Christ. See Romans 3:19-20; 5:20; Romans 7:7-13; 1 Corinthians 15:56; 2 Corinthians 5:5-13; Galatians 2:16; 3:9-24; 1 Timothy 1:6-11.
“The law demands strength from one that has none, and curses him if he cannot display it. The Gospel gives strength to one that has none, and blesses him in the exhibition of it. The law proposes life as the end of obedience, the Gospel gives life as the only proper ground of obedience” (C.H. Mackintosh, Notes on the Pentateuch, pp. 232-233).
2. The Law of Moses holds no power over the believer; he is placed in Christ entirely out of the law’s grasp. The law can no more bring condemnation to the believer than it can to Christ Himself, since the believer has been made perfect in Christ. The law has no more power over the believer than the dead husband has over a living wife. The apostles did not teach the Adventist doctrine that the believer is to conform his life to the standard of the law by the power of the resurrected Christ, and that if he fails to do so the law will condemn him in the day of judgment. See Romans 5:1-2, 6-11; 6:3-7; 8:8-10; 10:4; 7:4; Galatians 3:24-29.
3. The Ten Commandments is a covenant of death that is done away with in Christ. Adventist teachers protest that the moral law, represented in the Ten Commandments, was not done away at the cross of Christ and that only the ceremonial law was done away. But the New Testament describes even the Ten Commandments as a covenant of death! The Mosaic Law as a whole had one chief purpose. It was given by God to fallen man in order to show him his sin and his need of the Savior. See 2 Corinthians 3:6-13.
The apostle said that the law written in stone is done away with in Christ, and that refers to the Ten Commandments. Two times the apostle tells us that the Ten Commandments are abolished. Two times he tells us that the Ten Commandments were a ministration of death and condemnation! Words could not be plainer. For the Adventist teacher to come along and point the believer back to the Law of Moses as a rule of life is a great evil.
5. The Law of Moses is not the believer’s rule of life. The believer is told to put on Christ and to follow the Spirit of God. The believer’s objective is not to be conformed to the law, but to be conformed to the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29). The Holy Spirit molds and transforms the believer’s life into the image of the Lord Jesus. Romans 8:11-14; 8:29; 13:13-14; 2 Corinthians 3:18; Galatians 5:16-25; Ephesians 4:20-24; Colossians 3:9-11.
“If the law be indeed the rule of a believer’s life, where are we to find it so presented in the New Testament? The inspired Apostle evidently had no thought of its being the rule when he penned the following words: ‘For in Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and on the Israel of God’ (Gal. 6:15-16). What ‘rule’? The law? No; but the ‘new creation.’ Where shall we find this in Exodus 20? It speaks not a word about ‘new creation.’ On the contrary, it addresses itself to man as he is—in his natural or old-creation state—and puts him to the test as to what he is really able to do. Now if the law were the rule by which believers are to walk, why does the apostle pronounce his benediction on those who walk by another rule altogether? Why does he not say, as many as walk according to rule of the Ten Commandments? Is it not evident, from this one passage, that the Church of God has a higher rule by which to walk?” (C.H. Mackintosh, Notes on the Pentateuch, pp. 232-233).
“I, as a Christian, obey all law that is moral in the Decalogue, not because it is in the Law, but because it is in the Gospel. Worship of God only is enjoined fifty times in the New Testament; idolatry is forbidden twelve times; profanity four times; honor of father and mother is commanded six times; adultery is forbidden twelve; theft six; false witness four; and covetousness, nine times. ‘The Ten Commandments,’ as Luther says, ‘do not apply to us Gentiles and Christians, but only to the Jews.’ So therefore, Paul, in all his fourteen epistles, never once names the Sabbath—except in a single passage where, classing it with the entire law, he declares it has been totally abolished. So the early church held” (William C. Irvine, Heresies Exposed, p. 165).
6. Law and Grace are two different systems that cannot be mixed in salvation. We have already looked at this under the section on the Seventh-day Adventist’s false gospel of grace plus law. See Acts 15:8-11; Romans 3:18-25; 4:4-5; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8-10.
7. To point believers back to the Law of Moses as a rule of life is to place them back under legalistic bondage, bringing a curse upon the one who teaches this heresy as well as upon the one who follows it. The apostles condemned in the strongest language those who tried to get believers to return to the Law of Moses as a rule of life. This refutes the Seventh-day Adventist doctrine that the law is a blessing to the justified man. See Galatians 1:7-9; 2:4; 3:1-9; 4:9-11, 19-21; 5:1-9.
Christ came to redeem men from bondage to the law, to remove their condemnation by paying the price the law demanded for man’s sin. Those who try to bring believers back under the law are deceiving men and pointing them away from the finished work of Christ and true Bible freedom in Him. They themselves are cursed because of their false gospel, and they are leading others away from the truth. The goal of salvation is not to bring the believer to the law, but to present him perfect in Christ!
FALSE TEACHING # 8: VEGETARIANISM
Ellen White warned against eating meat and promoted vegetarianism.
“Among those who are waiting for the coming of the Lord, meat eating will eventually be done away; flesh will cease to form a part of their diet. We should ever keep this end in view, and endeavor to work steadily toward it. I cannot think that in the practice of flesh eating we are in harmony with the light which God has been pleased to give us. All who are connected with our health institutions especially should be educating themselves to subsist on fruits, grains, and vegetables” (Ellen White, Counsels on Diet and Foods, pp. 380-81).
“Let not any of our ministers set an evil example in the eating of flesh-meat. Let them and their families live up to the light of health reform. Let not our ministers animalize their own nature and the nature of their children” (Ellen White, Spalding and Magan, p. 211).
This teaching was part of White’s health program, which she claimed was given to her by divine revelation in 1863.
Today the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventist’s Nutrition Council recommends abstaining from meat, fish, coffee, and tea.
Here we will only deal with the issue of vegetarianism. From Adam to Noah, men were vegetarians, stemming from God’s command in Genesis 1:29-30, but after the flood, men were instructed to eat meat as well as vegetables (Genesis 9:3). Under the Law of Moses, the nation Israel continued to eat meat, and some animals were designated clean and others unclean. The Lord Jesus Christ lived under the law as a Jew and followed the Mosaic dietary system. He was not a vegetarian. We know that He ate fish (Lk. 24:42-43) and He ate lamb, which was required during the Passover (Exodus 12:6-8).
There are only three teachings about diet in the New Testament.
First, Peter was taught that the Old Testament dietary restrictions are no longer in effect for the New Testament believer (Acts 10:9-16). The truth of this was emphasized in that the command to rise, kill, and eat was repeated three times. This passage single-handedly refutes the following claims: that the Mosaic dietary restrictions are in force in the New Testament churches, that the Mosaic dietary restrictions were for health purposes (if that were true, God would have kept them in force), that eating meat is unhealthy, that vegetarianism is a superior program, and that is cruel to kill animals.
Second, we are taught that in the New Testament dispensation diet is entirely a matter of personal liberty (Romans 14:1-6) and we are not to judge others in such matters (Romans 14:13).
Third, we have a warning about those who teach against eating meat (1 Timothy 4:1-6) and we are told that to require a vegetarian diet is a doctrine of devils. This one heresy is sufficient to mark Ellen White as a heretic who was under the control of the Devil.
To go beyond the Bible’s clear teaching in this matter and to create dietary programs that purport to have a scriptural basis and or to be derived from extra-biblical prophecy or otherwise to have divine approval is heresy.
The New Testament plainly states that “every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer” (1 Timothy 4:4-5).
Thus, according to Scripture, diet in this dispensation is a personal and individual matter. Each person is different, with his own metabolism, taste, culture, lifestyle, health, and occupation; and diet must be determined on this basis and not on some plan purporting to be from the Bible.
I am not saying that all diets are equally healthy; I am merely saying that there is no one diet that is required by the Bible, and vegetarianism is certainly not upheld by Scripture.
The writer of Hebrews warned:
“Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein” (Heb. 13:9).
Salvation and spirituality are not determined by what you eat but by whether or not you have submitted to the gospel of Christ’s grace. A doctrine of meats or special diet is a strange and unscriptural doctrine!
In spite of her own teaching against eating meat, which she claimed was based on a vision she had in 1863, Ellen White continued eating meat most of her life. This is documented extensively in “Oysters and Herrings” by M. Chugg and D. Anderson, http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/contra6.htm.
Jouw commentaar gaat nergens over. Volgens mij weet je niks van het christendom en heb je ooit eens een boekje gelezen met kritiek. Ik vind dat je een hoop onzin loopt te blaten.quote:
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Precies, en allemaal vanuit de opvattingen van een frauduleus boekje dat enkele barbaren ooit eens geschreven hebben.
Dat zou ongeveer hetzelfde zijn als beweren dat jij Harry Potter goed interpreteert en de rest het fout heeft. De rest is betoverd door zwarte Magica, omdat zwarte Magica niet wil dat de rest vrij wordt omdat ze de Waarheid kennen.
. Zomaar dingen roepen als een papegaai zonder enige onderbouwing en ad-hominems zijn niet echt geloofwaardig
Hoezo erroneous? Het dag/jaar principe vindt zijn oorsprong in het jodendom en werd geadopteerd door nagenoeg alle protestantse groepen. Miller adopteerde het dus slechts van hen. De datum 1843 was niet juist omdat hij begon te rekenen vanaf het begin van het startjaar van de 2300 dagen profetie in plaats van in de herfst. Na correctie kwam hij uit op 1844, een datum die niet alleen het einde was van de langste profetie in de bijbel, maar tevens de startdatum was van vele andere grote stromingen, zoals spiritisme, evolutionisme en communisme, welke allen het evangelie ondermijnen.quote:
Voor de liefhebbers nog een lapje tekst over de valse leerstellingen van de ZDA sekte:
THE HISTORY OF SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISM
Seventh-day Adventism originated with the Second Coming movement of the 1800’s. William Miller, a Baptist preacher, concluded in 1818 that Christ would return to earth in 1843. When that was proven wrong, he changed the date to October 22, 1844. His belief was based largely on an interpretation of Daniel chapters nine and twelve using the erroneous day/year equation (one prophetic day equals one historical year).
Maar Miller ging ervan uit dat de datum correct was, alleen de interpretatie ervan verkeerd. Een handvol overgeblevenen ging dus verder met zoeken, en concludeerde dat 1844 niet het jaar van de terugkomst van Christus was, maar het begin van de tijd waarin Christus het allerheiligste ingaat ter voorbereiding op de reiniging van het hemelse heiligdom en Zijn uiteindelijke terugkomst.quote:Tens of thousands of people followed Miller, and many different groups sprang up within this excited religious atmosphere, all of them looking for the immediate return of Christ.
After 1844, Miller quit setting dates and admitted his mistake, but some of his followers went on to form Seventh-day Adventism.
Ellen White heeft nooit een autoriteitspositie gehad in de kerk. Het krijgen van visioenen en inspiratie door vrouwen is bijbels. Er zijn meerdere bijbelse vrouwelijke profeten en belangrijke vrouwen in het NT. Maar nooit zijn ze pastors of ouderlingen, en die rol heeft ze ook nooit aangenomen. Ze refereerde naar zichzelf als het kleine licht, en de bijbel het grote licht.quote:James White, Joseph Bates, and others began practicing sabbath-keeping in 1844 and published their views through pamphlets.
They also followed the visions of 17-year-old Ellen Harmon. She claimed that God showed her that in October 1844 Jesus entered the holy of holies in heaven to begin the “investigative judgment.” This is a foundational doctrine of the Adventist Church. Ellen taught that Jesus began investigating the records of every person to determine who would be saved and who would be lost. She also claimed to receive a vision about the “Third Angel’s Message” in Revelation 14:9-12. She said that the mark of the beast (the antichrist) would be Sunday worship, and those who worshipped on Sunday would be punished. She said that the ones who keep the commandments of God refers to those who keep the sabbath in the last days. This is where the Seventh-day Adventists get their name. They claim to be the church of the last days that keeps the sabbath and that prepares the way for Christ’s return.
Ellen Harmon married James White in 1846 and they became the main leaders of Seventh-day Adventism. Between 1844 and 1915 Mrs. White supposedly received 2,000 visions and dreams. Claiming that she was commanded to write her visions for preservation, she produced over 100,000 handwritten manuscript pages.
While Adventist leaders claim that the Bible is their sole rule for faith and conduct, the fact is that without Ellen White there would be no Seventh-day Adventism.
We see, therefore, that the advent movement was unbiblical from its beginning. It was led by a woman, which is forbidden in Scripture (1 Timothy 2:12), and it set a date for Christ’s return, which is also forbidden.
Ze vergisten zich wat betreft deze verzen die vandaag de dag ronduit bekend zijn maar dat 160 jaar geleden wellicht niet waren. Na 1844 heeft men nooit meer een datum gesteld.quote:“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Mt. 24:36).
“Watch therefore; for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come” (Mt. 24:42).
“Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh” (Mt. 24:44).
“Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh” (Mt. 25:13).
“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is” (Mk. 13:32-33).
“It is not for you to know the time or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power” (Acts 1:7).
By ignoring the plain teaching of the Bible about Christ’s return, the Adventists were led into more and more error.
14 Jaagt den vrede na met allen, en de heiligmaking, zonder welke niemand den Heere zien zal;quote:SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST DOCTRINE
In the following study we analyze some of the false Seventh-day Adventist doctrines and compare them with Bible truth.
FALSE TEACHING # 1: A GOSPEL OF GRACE PLUS LAW
Seventh-day Adventism professes to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this to add works to grace.
According to Adventist doctrine, grace is the power and forgiveness God gives to enable a sinner to keep God’s law and to thereby build a holy character fit for Heaven. The individual that fails to build the right character by God’s grace will never see Heaven. Faith and works are said to be the two oars by which the believer is propelled to glory.
15 Toeziende, dat niet iemand verachtere van de genade Gods; dat niet enige wortel der bitterheid, opwaarts spruitende, beroerte make en door dezelve velen ontreinigd worden.
16 Dat niet iemand zij een hoereerder, of een onheilige, gelijk Ezau, die om een spijze het recht van zijn eerstgeboorte weggaf.
17 Want gij weet, dat hij ook daarna, de zegening willende beërven, verworpen werd; want hij vond geen plaats des berouws, hoewel hij dezelve met tranen zocht. Hebreeen 12
Dit is de juiste interpretatie.quote:These false...and law.
From a Seventh-day Adventist Tract:
“Christ says ... Saved by Grace, pp. 45-46).
15 Indien gij Mij liefhebt, zo bewaart Mijn geboden. Johannes 14quote:From a Seventh-day Adventist Correspondence course...AND TO OBEY ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD. ..Prophecy Guide, #12).
Het punt is niet dat je in je goede werken vertrouwt, maar in de werken die Christus in jou doet omdat God in je leeft omdat Hij genade heeft door je geloof.quote:Adventism labels this doctrine “salvation by grace,” but it is not the grace that was preached by the Lord’s apostles.
1. According to the Bible, salvation is by grace ALONE through faith ALONE, without the works of the law. See John 3:16; 6:28-29; Acts 15:10-11; 16:30-31; Romans 3:19-25; 4:1-8; 11:6; Galatians 3:10-13; Ephesians 2:8-10; Titus 3:4-7.
The Good News of Christ is not that we are saved through a grace that produces the works of the law. The Good News is that we are saved by God’s grace alone through faith alone WITHOUT THE LAW. All who will be saved must come on these glorious terms, trusting in the shed blood alone for full salvation.
19 Zo wie Ik liefheb, die bestraf en kastijd Ik; wees dan ijverig, en bekeer u.
20 Zie, Ik sta aan de deur, en Ik klop; indien iemand Mijn stem zal horen, en de deur opendoen, Ik zal tot hem inkomen, en Ik zal met hem avondmaal houden, en hij met Mij.
21 Die overwint, Ik zal hem geven met Mij te zitten in Mijn troon, gelijk als Ik overwonnen heb, en ben gezeten met Mijn Vader in Zijn troon. Openbaringen 3
5 Ik ben de Wijnstok, en gij de ranken; die in Mij blijft, en Ik in hem, die draagt veel vrucht; want zonder Mij kunt gij niets doen.
6 Zo iemand in Mij niet blijft, die is buiten geworpen, gelijkerwijs de rank, en is verdord; en men vergadert dezelve, en men werpt ze in het vuur, en zij worden verbrand. Johannes 15
Het krijgen van Jezus' rechtvaardigheid wil niet zeggen dat Jezus niet wil dat we rechtvaardige werken doen. Het produceren van rechtvaardige werken is het resultaat van het accepteren van Gods genade en geest in ons. Geloof zonder werken is dood. En aangezien we door geloof gerechtvaardigd worden, zullen we door dood geloof niet gerechtvaardigd worden. Levend geloof produceert werken.quote:Those who ...We know that salvation is secure because it means that the believer is declared righteous by God (Romans 3:21-24). This is the meaning of the word “justified.” Notice how the terms “justified” and “the righteousness of God” are used interchangeably in Romans 3:21-24. Notice too, that this righteousness is obtained “by faith” and “freely by his grace.” What is the sinner’s problem? Is it not his lack of righteousness? Therefore, if God declares that sinner righteous, what more does he need? Biblical salvation is an exchange. Jesus takes the sinner’s unrighteousness, and the sinner receives Jesus’ righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Jakobus legt het toch duidelijk en onweerlegbaar uit:
12 Spreekt alzo, en doet alzo, als die door de wet der vrijheid zult geoordeeld worden.
13 Want een onbarmhartig oordeel zal gaan over dengene, die geen barmhartigheid gedaan heeft; en de barmhartigheid roemt tegen het oordeel.
14 Wat nuttigheid is het, mijn broeders, indien iemand zegt, dat hij het geloof heeft, en hij heeft de werken niet? Kan dat geloof hem zaligmaken?
15 Indien er nu een broeder of zuster naakt zouden zijn, en gebrek zouden hebben aan dagelijks voedsel;
16 En iemand van u tot hen zou zeggen: Gaat henen in vrede, wordt warm, en wordt verzadigd; en gijlieden zoudt hun niet geven de nooddruftigheden des lichaams, wat nuttigheid is dat?
17 Alzo ook het geloof, indien het de werken niet heeft, is bij zichzelven dood.
18 Maar, zal iemand zeggen: Gij hebt het geloof, en ik heb de werken. Toon mij uw geloof uit uw werken, en ik zal u uit mijn werken mijn geloof tonen.
19 Gij gelooft, dat God een enig God is; gij doet wel; de duivelen geloven het ook, en zij sidderen.
20 Maar wilt gij weten, o ijdel mens, dat het geloof zonder de werken dood is?
21 Abraham, onze vader, is hij niet uit de werken gerechtvaardigd, als hij Izak, zijn zoon, geofferd heeft op het altaar?
22 Ziet gij wel, dat het geloof mede gewrocht heeft met zijn werken, en het geloof volmaakt is geweest uit de werken?
23 En de Schrift is vervuld geworden, die daar zegt: En Abraham geloofde God, en het is hem tot rechtvaardigheid gerekend, en hij is een vriend van God genaamd geweest.
24 Ziet gij dan nu, dat een mens uit de werken gerechtvaardigd wordt, en niet alleenlijk uit het geloof?
25 En desgelijks ook Rachab, de hoer, is zij niet uit de werken gerechtvaardigd geweest, als zij de gezondenen heeft ontvangen, en door een anderen weg uitgelaten?
26 Want gelijk het lichaam zonder geest dood is, alzo is ook het geloof zonder de werken dood. Jakobus 2
Het verschil met een waar geloof en een geloof van ijdele woorden en professies van geloof zonder substantie is dus de werken die men produceert: ''ik zal u mijn geloof tonen uit mijn werken''. Een boom herken je aan zijn vruchten, indien een boom geen bladeren en vruchten heeft is hij dood. Zo is ook een mens die geen goede werken produceert, dood, en niet verlost. Hij heeft het leven niet ontvangen, want het leven van God produceert goede werken.
8 Ja, gewisselijk, ik acht ook alle dingen schade te zijn, om de uitnemendheid der kennis van Christus Jezus, mijn Heere; om Wiens wil ik al die dingen schade gerekend heb, en acht die drek te zijn, opdat ik Christus moge gewinnen.quote:We know ...From the previous studies, it is evident that true Bible salvation does not have the uncertainty and legalistic admixture of the Adventist gospel. The SDA gospel is false.
9 En in Hem gevonden worde, niet hebbende mijn rechtvaardigheid, die uit de wet is, maar die door het geloof van Christus is, namelijk de rechtvaardigheid, die uit God is door het geloof;
10 Opdat ik Hem kenne, en de kracht Zijner opstanding, en de gemeenschap Zijns lijdens, Zijn dood gelijkvormig wordende;
11 Of ik enigszins moge komen tot de wederopstanding der doden.
12 Niet dat ik het alrede gekregen heb, of alrede volmaakt ben; maar ik jaag er naar, of ik het ook grijpen mocht, waartoe ik van Christus Jezus ook gegrepen ben.
De zekerheid van verlossing hangt van je geloof af en levend geloof produceert werken. Zolang je blijft geloven en Gods genade blijft accepteren welke komt in de vorm van de Heilige Geest die ons achterna zit tot heiligmaking, is verlossing zeker.
6 Want dien de Heere liefheeft, kastijdt Hij, en Hij geselt een iegelijken zoon, die Hij aanneemt.
7 Indien gij de kastijding verdraagt, zo gedraagt Zich God jegens u als zonen; (want wat zoon is er, dien de vader niet kastijdt?)
8 Maar indien gij zonder kastijding zijt, welke allen deelachtig zijn geworden, zo zijt gij dan bastaarden, en niet zonen. Hebreeen 12
27 En Hij zeide tot hen: De sabbat is gemaakt om den mens, niet de mens om den sabbat. Markus 2quote:FALSE TEACHING # 2: SABBATH-KEEPING
Seventh-day Adventism says that the sabbath was given to Adam in the Garden of Eden and that God intended for all men to keep it.
Uiteraard zal de antichrist Gods wetten veranderen en geen mensenwetten. De sabbat maakt deel uit van Gods wet.quote:“God instituted
9. The idea that Sunday observance will be the mark of the beast is not found in Scripture. This idea came from Ellen White. It is true that the Antichrist will “think to change times and laws” (Daniel 7:25), yet nowhere does the Bible say that this will involve the sabbath or Sunday. The Bible does not reveal exactly what laws the Antichrist will change.
Geen van deze teksten duidt op een ziel als een distincte entiteit met een eigen los bestaan. Ik ga niet alle teksten los behandelen, daar zijn websites voor.quote:FALSE TEACHING # 3: SOUL SLEEP
The Seventh-day Adventist Church... a soul.
Wat Jezus hier doet is een typische griekse fabel gebruiken om iets te illustreren. Het parabel gaat niet over de hemel of de hel, maar over het gedrag van de beide mannen. Het is een parabel, een voorbeeld wat niet letterlijk genomen moet worden. Zo zal Jezus ook niet de bokken en de schapen scheiden aan het einde der tijden, maar de rechtvaardigen en onrechtvaardigen. Het is beeldspraak, in dit geval genomen uit contemporaine ideeen.quote:Fourth, the story of Lazarus and the rich man ...to Heaven or to Hell.
Slapen in Jezus wil zeggen dat je verzegeld bent voor het eeuwige leven, niet dat je fysiek ergens bent. Het is niet eens logisch: sterven om naar de hemel te gaan, om vervolgens terug te komen en door Jezus weer naar de hemel genomen te worden. Waarom dan de opstanding?quote:Fifth, the dead saints will return with Christ from Heaven at the time of the resurrection and rapture of the saved. This shows that dead saints go to Heaven at death. “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so THEM ALSO WHICH SLEEP IN JESUS WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM” (1 Th. 4:14). According to the Bible, the dead are not sleeping in the grave as the Adventists claim. Rather, they are in Heaven and they will return from there with Jesus!
Het is een profetisch visioen, openbaringen staat vol symbolen.quote:Sixth, John’s heavenly visions show dead saints in Heaven before the resurrection and during the Great Tribulation on earth. See Revelation 6:9-11. This is another indisputable testimony that dead saints are not sleeping in the grave, but are residing in Heaven awaiting the return of Christ to earth.
Elie is nooit gestorven maar ging direct de hemel in zoals Henoch en Mozes heeft een speciale opstanding gehad (zie de brief aan Judas).quote:Seventh, Moses’ and Elijah’s appearance on the Mount of Transfiguration proves that the dead have conscious existence between death and resurrection. See Luke 9:28-33. That Peter and the other apostles were not just seeing a future millennial scene is demonstrated by the fact that Moses and Elijah were speaking with the Lord Jesus about His approaching death. Moses and Elijah, though dead, appeared on that mountain and conversed about events that were soon to take place in Jerusalem. It is obvious that Moses and Elias are not sleeping in the grave.
Er zijn anderen die opgestaan zijn bij de dood van Christus evenals nog enkele andere gevallen.
Eeuwig leven is ook in het oude testament, zoals in psalm 71: 18 Daarom ook, terwijl de ouderdom en grijsheid daar is, verlaat mij niet, o God, totdat ik dezen geslachte verkondige Uw arm, allen nakomelingen Uw macht.quote:It is plain ... of the New!
19 Ook is Uw gerechtigheid, o God, tot in de hoogte; Gij, Die grote dingen gedaan hebt; o God! wie is U gelijk?
20 Gij, Die mij veel benauwdheden en kwaden hebt doen zien, zult mij weder levend maken, en zult mij weder ophalen uit de afgronden der aarde.
De bijbel leert dat er een wederopstanding uit de dood is. Indien we een onsterfelijke ziel hebben, is die wederopstanding nergens voor nodig. Ook is het eeuwig martelen van mensen in de hel een vreselijke voorstelling van wat de bijbel weergeeft: eeuwige vernietiging door vuur. Dat is de tweede dood. De eerste dood sterven we allemaal en duurt tot de wederopstanding. De tweede dood is voor de onrechtvaardigen na de wederopstanding.
. 13 En de zee gaf de doden, die in haar waren; en de dood en de hel gaven de doden, die in hen waren; en zij werden geoordeeld, een iegelijk naar hun werken.
14 En de dood en de hel werden geworpen in den poel des vuurs; dit is de tweede dood.
15 En zo iemand niet gevonden werd geschreven in het boek des levens, die werd geworpen in den poel des vuurs. Openbaringen 20
'Alleen God is goed!'quote:
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Dat is beeldspraak voor het feit dat die bestraffing niet geeindigd zal worden en men alsnog vrijuit zal gaan.quote:
FALSE TEACHING # 4: ANNIHILATION OF THE WICKED
Seventh-day Adventism teaches that the unsaved will be burned up in the lake of fire.
“The theory of eternal torment is one of the false doctrines that constitute the wine of the abomination of Babylon. ... There will then be no lost souls to blaspheme God as they writhe in never-ending torment; no wretched beings in hell will mingle their shrieks with the songs of the saved” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, pp. 470, 477).
They claim that the eternal torment of the wicked cannot be reconciled with God’s love and mercy.
“How repugnant to every emotion of love and mercy, and even to our sense of justice, is the doctrine that the wicked dead are tormented with fire and brimstone in an eternally burning hell” (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, p. 469).
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
1. The Bible teaches that the unsaved will endure eternal conscious torment. See Matthew 25:46; Revelation 14:10-11; Revelation 20:10-15. Three times in Mark 9 Christ spoke of hell as “the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched...” (Mk. 9:43-48). This is the language of eternal suffering.
Wat voor walgelijke God zal mensen eeuwig martelen voor een leven van 80 jaar in zonde? Het is een vreselijke doctrine en komt van de heidenen en de katholieke kerk. De bestraffing is eeuwig en die bestraffing is de dood. Sodom en Gomorra werden ook bestraft met 'eeuwig vuur'. Branden Sodom en Gomorra nog steeds? Nee.quote:Adventists argue ... not been born.”
Nee helemaal niet. Het is een misvorming van Gods karakter.quote:The doctrine of eternal torment might be difficult for us to understand, but God has revealed it and our part is to accept it by faith.
Context, context, context.quote:FALSE TEACHING # 5: ELLEN WHITE A PROPHETESS
5 Want toen wij in het vlees waren, wrochten de bewegingen der zonden, die door de wet zijn, in onze leden, om den dood vruchten te dragen.quote:FALSE TEACHING # 7: MISUSING THE LAW OF MOSES
6 Maar nu zijn wij vrijgemaakt van de wet, overmits wij dien gestorven zijn, onder welken wij gehouden waren; alzo dat wij dienen in nieuwigheid des geestes, en niet in de oudheid der letter.
7 Wat zullen wij dan zeggen? Is de wet zonde? Dat zij verre. Ja, ik kende de zonde niet dan door de wet; want ook had ik de begeerlijkheid niet geweten zonde te zijn, indien de wet niet zeide: Gij zult niet begeren.
8 Maar de zonde, oorzaak genomen hebbende door het gebod, heeft in mij alle begeerlijkheid gewrocht; want zonder de wet is de zonde dood.
9 En zonder de wet, zo leefde ik eertijds; maar als het gebod gekomen is, zo is de zonde weder levend geworden, doch ik ben gestorven.
10 En het gebod, dat ten leven was, hetzelve is mij ten dood bevonden.
11 Want de zonde, oorzaak genomen hebbende door het gebod, heeft mij verleid, en door hetzelve gedood.
12 Alzo is dan de wet heilig, en het gebod is heilig, en rechtvaardig, en goed.
13 Is dan het goede mij de dood geworden? Dat zij verre. Maar de zonde is mij de dood geworden; opdat zij zou openbaar worden zonde te zijn; werkende mij door het goede den dood; opdat de zonde boven mate wierd zondigende door het gebod.
14 Want wij weten, dat de wet geestelijk is, maar ik ben vleselijk, verkocht onder de zonde.
15 Want hetgeen ik doe, dat ken ik niet; want hetgeen ik wil, dat doe ik niet, maar hetgeen ik haat, dat doe ik.
16 En indien ik hetgene doe, dat ik niet wil, zo stem ik de wet toe, dat zij goed is.
17 Ik dan doe datzelve nu niet meer, maar de zonde, die in mij woont.
18 Want ik weet, dat in mij, dat is, in mijn vlees, geen goed woont; want het willen is wel bij mij, maar het goede te doen, dat vind ik niet.
19 Want het goede dat ik wil, doe ik niet, maar het kwade, dat ik niet wil, dat doe ik.
20 Indien ik hetgene doe, dat ik niet wil, zo doe ik nu hetzelve niet meer, maar de zonde, die in mij woont.
21 Zo vind ik dan deze wet in mij; als ik het goede wil doen, dat het kwade mij bijligt.
22 Want ik heb een vermaak in de wet Gods, naar den inwendigen mens;
23 Maar ik zie een andere wet in mijn leden, welke strijdt tegen de wet mijns gemoeds, en mij gevangen neemt onder de wet der zonde, die in mijn leden is.
24 Ik ellendig mens, wie zal mij verlossen uit het lichaam dezes doods?
25 Ik dank God, door Jezus Christus, onzen Heere.
26 Zo dan, ik zelf dien wel met het gemoed de wet Gods, maar met het vlees de wet der zonde.
8 Zijt niemand iets schuldig, dan elkander lief te hebben; want die den ander liefheeft, die heeft de wet vervuld.
9 Want dit: Gij zult geen overspel doen, gij zult niet doden, gij zult niet stelen, gij zult geen valse getuigenis geven, gij zult niet begeren; en zo er enig ander gebod is, wordt in dit woord als in een hoofdsom begrepen, namelijk in dit: Gij zult uw naaste liefhebben gelijk uzelven.
10 De liefde doet den naaste geen kwaad. Zo is dan de liefde de vervulling der wet.
Ondertussen weet men dat de kwaliteit van voedsel afneemt door industriele productie, vervuiling, soms gevaarlijk is door gekke koeienziekte, vogelgriep enzovoorts, dat zuivel niet goed is, dat een compleet veganistisch dieet wel degelijk het beste is en tot de langste levensduur leidt. Ellen White waarschuwde voor deze dingen, en tevens omdat we zijn wat we eten en ons eten een invloed heeft niet alleen op onze fysieke gezondheid, maar tegelijkertijd onze algehele welzijn en morele kracht.quote:FALSE TEACHING # 8: VEGETARIANISM
Hallo vriendquote:
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'Alleen God is goed!'
Hoe kan iets goed zijn als het niet bestaat?
Ik denk het zelfde over goden als jij denkt over vliegende eenhoorns.
BULLSHIT
Hopelijk zijn je maffe dromen nu voorbij.
Jij ook hier om meer te weten te komen over Gods onfeilbare woord? 
Ali mijn persoonlijke overtuiging gebaseerd op de bijbel is dat als je sterft je ziel of naar death row gaat in de hel, of je ziel gaat naar de hemel. Bij het laatste oordeel zal de hel zelf in het vuur gegooid worden en zullen deze zielen vernietigd worden.quote:
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Dat is beeldspraak voor het feit dat die bestraffing niet geeindigd zal worden en men alsnog vrijuit zal gaan.
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Wat voor walgelijke God zal mensen eeuwig martelen voor een leven van 80 jaar in zonde? Het is een vreselijke doctrine en komt van de heidenen en de katholieke kerk. De bestraffing is eeuwig en die bestraffing is de dood. Sodom en Gomorra werden ook bestraft met 'eeuwig vuur'. Branden Sodom en Gomorra nog steeds? Nee.
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Nee helemaal niet. Het is een misvorming van Gods karakter.
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Context, context, context.
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5 Want toen wij in het vlees waren, wrochten de bewegingen der zonden, die door de wet zijn, in onze leden, om den dood vruchten te dragen.
6 Maar nu zijn wij vrijgemaakt van de wet, overmits wij dien gestorven zijn, onder welken wij gehouden waren; alzo dat wij dienen in nieuwigheid des geestes, en niet in de oudheid der letter.
7 Wat zullen wij dan zeggen? Is de wet zonde? Dat zij verre. Ja, ik kende de zonde niet dan door de wet; want ook had ik de begeerlijkheid niet geweten zonde te zijn, indien de wet niet zeide: Gij zult niet begeren.
8 Maar de zonde, oorzaak genomen hebbende door het gebod, heeft in mij alle begeerlijkheid gewrocht; want zonder de wet is de zonde dood.
9 En zonder de wet, zo leefde ik eertijds; maar als het gebod gekomen is, zo is de zonde weder levend geworden, doch ik ben gestorven.
10 En het gebod, dat ten leven was, hetzelve is mij ten dood bevonden.
11 Want de zonde, oorzaak genomen hebbende door het gebod, heeft mij verleid, en door hetzelve gedood.
12 Alzo is dan de wet heilig, en het gebod is heilig, en rechtvaardig, en goed.
13 Is dan het goede mij de dood geworden? Dat zij verre. Maar de zonde is mij de dood geworden; opdat zij zou openbaar worden zonde te zijn; werkende mij door het goede den dood; opdat de zonde boven mate wierd zondigende door het gebod.
14 Want wij weten, dat de wet geestelijk is, maar ik ben vleselijk, verkocht onder de zonde.
15 Want hetgeen ik doe, dat ken ik niet; want hetgeen ik wil, dat doe ik niet, maar hetgeen ik haat, dat doe ik.
16 En indien ik hetgene doe, dat ik niet wil, zo stem ik de wet toe, dat zij goed is.
17 Ik dan doe datzelve nu niet meer, maar de zonde, die in mij woont.
18 Want ik weet, dat in mij, dat is, in mijn vlees, geen goed woont; want het willen is wel bij mij, maar het goede te doen, dat vind ik niet.
19 Want het goede dat ik wil, doe ik niet, maar het kwade, dat ik niet wil, dat doe ik.
20 Indien ik hetgene doe, dat ik niet wil, zo doe ik nu hetzelve niet meer, maar de zonde, die in mij woont.
21 Zo vind ik dan deze wet in mij; als ik het goede wil doen, dat het kwade mij bijligt.
22 Want ik heb een vermaak in de wet Gods, naar den inwendigen mens;
23 Maar ik zie een andere wet in mijn leden, welke strijdt tegen de wet mijns gemoeds, en mij gevangen neemt onder de wet der zonde, die in mijn leden is.
24 Ik ellendig mens, wie zal mij verlossen uit het lichaam dezes doods?
25 Ik dank God, door Jezus Christus, onzen Heere.
26 Zo dan, ik zelf dien wel met het gemoed de wet Gods, maar met het vlees de wet der zonde.
8 Zijt niemand iets schuldig, dan elkander lief te hebben; want die den ander liefheeft, die heeft de wet vervuld.
9 Want dit: Gij zult geen overspel doen, gij zult niet doden, gij zult niet stelen, gij zult geen valse getuigenis geven, gij zult niet begeren; en zo er enig ander gebod is, wordt in dit woord als in een hoofdsom begrepen, namelijk in dit: Gij zult uw naaste liefhebben gelijk uzelven.
10 De liefde doet den naaste geen kwaad. Zo is dan de liefde de vervulling der wet.
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Ondertussen weet men dat de kwaliteit van voedsel afneemt door industriele productie, vervuiling, soms gevaarlijk is door gekke koeienziekte, vogelgriep enzovoorts, dat zuivel niet goed is, dat een compleet veganistisch dieet wel degelijk het beste is en tot de langste levensduur leidt. Ellen White waarschuwde voor deze dingen, en tevens omdat we zijn wat we eten en ons eten een invloed heeft niet alleen op onze fysieke gezondheid, maar tegelijkertijd onze algehele welzijn en morele kracht.
Verder gebruikte je Hebreeuwen 12:14 om aan te tonen dat zonder heiligheid we God niet zullen zien. Heiligheid betekent echter niet dat je je perfect aan de wet houdt, dat kan niemand. Het betekent simpelweg dat je het goede najaagt.
Met betrekking tot een vegetarisch dieet. Ja, dat is zeer nuttig en gezond, echter dat is een gewetenskwestie en moet iedereen voor zichzelf uitmaken. Het probleem met de ZDA kerk is dat ze een vegetarisch dieet als voorwaarde stellen voor redding. Maw. een vals evangelie.
Tenslotte denk ik dat je goed in acht dient te nemen dat het oude testament plaatsvindt in de context van het oude verbond en het nieuwe testament plaatsvindt in de context van het Nieuwe Verbond, alhoewel Jezus natuurlijk voor zijn hemelvaart leefde als een Jood onder het oude verbond (al brak hij wel de ceremoniele sabbath wet). Je kan dus niet teksten uit het Oude Testament gebruiken om aan te tonen dat Christenen onder de wet van Mozes staan. Wanneer Johannes bijvoorbeeld praat over "zijn geboden" refereert hij niet naar de wet van Mozes maar naar de wet die Christus had ingesteld. Dit weten we 100 procent zeker omdat in het Grieks Johannes altijd "nomos" gebruikt voor de wet van het oude testament en "entole" voor de geboden van Christus.
Moge God je ogen openen voor de mooie waarheid die de bijbel bevat. Rechtvaarding>heiliging>glorificatie...
Ik denk dat dit filmpje over de geloofwaardigheid van de manuscripten van het Nieuwe Testament voor iedereen interessant is, vooral ook voor Berjanll die er absoluut van overtuigd is dat bijbelcritici gelijk hebben en dat er geknoeid is met de bijbel.
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Rechtvaarding in de zin van moraal? Daarvoor heb je geen religie of goden nodig.quote:
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Ali mijn persoonlijke overtuiging gebaseerd op de bijbel is dat als je sterft je ziel of naar death row gaat in de hel, of je ziel gaat naar de hemel. Bij het laatste oordeel zal de hel zelf in het vuur gegooid worden en zullen deze zielen vernietigd worden.
Verder gebruikte je Hebreeuwen 12:14 om aan te tonen dat zonder heiligheid we God niet zullen zien. Heiligheid betekent echter niet dat je je perfect aan de wet houdt, dat kan niemand. Het betekent simpelweg dat je het goede najaagt.
Met betrekking tot een vegetarisch dieet. Ja, dat is zeer nuttig en gezond, echter dat is een gewetenskwestie en moet iedereen voor zichzelf uitmaken. Het probleem met de ZDA kerk is dat ze een vegetarisch dieet als voorwaarde stellen voor redding. Maw. een vals evangelie.
Tenslotte denk ik dat je goed in acht dient te nemen dat het oude testament plaatsvindt in de context van het oude verbond en het nieuwe testament plaatsvindt in de context van het Nieuwe Verbond, alhoewel Jezus natuurlijk voor zijn hemelvaart leefde als een Jood onder het oude verbond (al brak hij wel de ceremoniele sabbath wet). Je kan dus niet teksten uit het Oude Testament gebruiken om aan te tonen dat Christenen onder de wet van Mozes staan. Wanneer Johannes bijvoorbeeld praat over "zijn geboden" refereert hij niet naar de wet van Mozes maar naar de wet die Christus had ingesteld. Dit weten we 100 procent zeker omdat in het Grieks Johannes altijd "nomos" gebruikt voor de wet van het oude testament en "entole" voor de geboden van Christus.
Heiliging, aangezien het woord heilig aan fictie verbonden is, heeft het leven daar niets mee te maken.
De mooie waarheid bevat de bijbel niet, aangezien ik al de rode pil heb genomen.
De mooie leugen welke zich voordoet als de waarheid en de mensheid (voor een deel) nog steeds in zijn ban weet te houden.
Overwatch: zweef boven het systeem en neem het systeem waar voor wat het daadwerkelijk is.
Rechtvaardiging in de bijbelse zin betekent dat je door God als rechtvaardige wordt geaccepteerd wanneer je Jezus aanneemt als verlosser. Het is dus Jezus' rechtvaardigheid die jou rechtvaardig maakt in Gods ogen want van nature is geen enkel mens rechtvaardig. Het bijbelse christendom is het enige geloof ter wereld dat leert dat mensen niet door werken maar door geloof gerechtvaardigd worden.quote:
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Rechtvaarding in de zin van moraal? Daarvoor heb je geen religie of goden nodig.
Heiliging, aangezien het woord heilig aan fictie verbonden is, heeft het leven daar niets mee te maken.
De mooie waarheid bevat de bijbel niet, aangezien ik al de rode pil heb genomen.
De mooie leugen welke zich voordoet als de waarheid en de mensheid (voor een deel) nog steeds in zijn ban weet te houden.
Hel in de bijbel = dodenrijk. Maar er is geen vuur in de hel, de hel wordt in het vuur gegooid. De dood komt ten einde.quote:
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Ali mijn persoonlijke overtuiging gebaseerd op de bijbel is dat als je sterft je ziel of naar death row gaat in de hel, of je ziel gaat naar de hemel. Bij het laatste oordeel zal de hel zelf in het vuur gegooid worden en zullen deze zielen vernietigd worden.
48 Weest dan gijlieden volmaakt, gelijk uw Vader, Die in de hemelen is, volmaakt is.quote:Verder gebruikte je Hebreeuwen 12:14 om aan te tonen dat zonder heiligheid we God niet zullen zien. Heiligheid betekent echter niet dat je je perfect aan de wet houdt, dat kan niemand. Het betekent simpelweg dat je het goede najaagt.
Als Jezus het kon, en Jezus in mij kan leven, dan kan ik het dankzij Jezus ook.
Het is een kwestie van je lusten volgen als je dit niet aanvaardt. En er is veroordeling voor hen die achter hun lusten aanlopen.quote:Met betrekking tot een vegetarisch dieet. Ja, dat is zeer nuttig en gezond, echter dat is een gewetenskwestie en moet iedereen voor zichzelf uitmaken. Het probleem met de ZDA kerk is dat ze een vegetarisch dieet als voorwaarde stellen voor redding. Maw. een vals evangelie.
Welke wet heeft Christus ingesteld?quote:Tenslotte denk ik dat je goed in acht dient te nemen dat het oude testament plaatsvindt in de context van het oude verbond en het nieuwe testament plaatsvindt in de context van het Nieuwe Verbond, alhoewel Jezus natuurlijk voor zijn hemelvaart leefde als een Jood onder het oude verbond (al brak hij wel de ceremoniele sabbath wet). Je kan dus niet teksten uit het Oude Testament gebruiken om aan te tonen dat Christenen onder de wet van Mozes staan. Wanneer Johannes bijvoorbeeld praat over "zijn geboden" refereert hij niet naar de wet van Mozes maar naar de wet die Christus had ingesteld. Dit weten we 100 procent zeker omdat in het Grieks Johannes altijd "nomos" gebruikt voor de wet van het oude testament en "entole" voor de geboden van Christus.
De mooie waarheid van de bijbel is Gods wet die het kwaad op deze aarde veroordeelt en ons allen tot bekering kan drijven.quote:
150 Die kwade praktijken najagen, genaken mij, zij wijken verre van Uw wet.
151 Maar Gij, HEERE! zijt nabij, en al Uw geboden zijn waarheid.
Maar de wet geeft ons geen leven, Jezus geeft ons leven.
Hoe het dodenrijk eruitziet kunnen we alleen maar naar gissen. Waar we het beiden over eens zijn is dat de hel in het vuur gegooid wordt.quote:
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Hel in de bijbel = dodenrijk. Maar er is geen vuur in de hel, de hel wordt in het vuur gegooid. De dood komt ten einde.
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48 Weest dan gijlieden volmaakt, gelijk uw Vader, Die in de hemelen is, volmaakt is.
Als Jezus het kon, en Jezus in mij kan leven, dan kan ik het dankzij Jezus ook.
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Het is een kwestie van je lusten volgen als je dit niet aanvaardt. En er is veroordeling voor hen die achter hun lusten aanlopen.
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Welke wet heeft Christus ingesteld?
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11Toen zag ik een grote witte troon en hem die daarop zat. De aarde en de hemel vluchtten van hem weg en verdwenen in het niets. 12Ik zag de doden, jong en oud, voor de troon staan. Er werden boeken geopend. Toen werd er nog een geopend: het boek van het leven. De doden werden op grond van wat in de boeken stond geoordeeld naar hun daden. 13De zee stond de doden die ze in zich had af, en ook de dood en het dodenrijk stonden hun doden af. En iedereen werd geoordeeld naar zijn daden. 14Toen werden de dood en het dodenrijk in de vuurpoel gegooid. Dit is de tweede dood: de vuurpoel. 15Wie niet in het boek van het leven bleek te staan werd in de vuurpoel gegooid.
Met betrekking tot heiliging. Wij zijn niet als Jezus. Jezus is 100 procent God. Wij zijn niet in staat om in dit leven volmaakt te worden als Jezus omdat wij zonde in ons hebben. Als we verlost willen worden zullen we ons dus op Jezus moeten focussen en niet op onze persoonlijke rechtvaardigheid. Alhoewel persoonlijke rechtvaardigheid goed is en een gevolg van versossing, speelt het geen rol in onze verlossing.
Met betrekking tot lusten. Dit moet je in een breed, evangelisch perspectief beschouwen. De fruit van verlossing is dat je een beter leven gaat leiden, minder naar de lusten van het vlees. Kortom minder zelfingenomen trots, hoererij, liegen etc. etc. Dat is een natuurlijke respons van onze redding. Dat betekent niet dat christenen compleet zondeloos leven en faploos door het leven gaan. We zijn immers nog steeds zondige mensen, alhoewel de Heilige Geest onze zonde binnen een bepaalde bandbreedte houdt en ervoor zorgt dat we niet uit de bocht vliegen.
Christus heeft de simpele wet van geloof en liefde ingesteld. Geloof in hem en heb je naaste lief als jezelf. Het is zo simpel, helaas maken vele groeperingen het geloof moeilijker dan het daadwerkelijk is.
En dus is de hel niet een eeuwig brandend vuur waar mensen in terecht komen tot in de eeuwigheid.quote:
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Hoe het dodenrijk eruitziet kunnen we alleen maar naar gissen. Waar we het beiden over eens zijn is dat de hel in het vuur gegooid wordt.
quote:11Toen zag ik een grote witte troon en hem die daarop zat. De aarde en de hemel vluchtten van hem weg en verdwenen in het niets. 12Ik zag de doden, jong en oud, voor de troon staan. Er werden boeken geopend. Toen werd er nog een geopend: het boek van het leven. De doden werden op grond van wat in de boeken stond geoordeeld naar hun daden. 13De zee stond de doden die ze in zich had af, en ook de dood en het dodenrijk stonden hun doden af. En iedereen werd geoordeeld naar zijn daden. 14Toen werden de dood en het dodenrijk in de vuurpoel gegooid. Dit is de tweede dood: de vuurpoel. 15Wie niet in het boek van het leven bleek te staan werd in de vuurpoel gegooid.
De Heilige Geest laat ons onze zonden zien. Die dienen we op te biechten en op te geven door Jezus' victorie aan het kruis erover te claimen voor onszelf. Mijn zonde is overwonnen door Christus. Als ik in Hem en de kracht van Zijn wederopstanding geloof, kan die victorie ook voor mij zijn.quote:Met betrekking tot heiliging. Wij zijn niet als Jezus. Jezus is 100 procent God. Wij zijn niet in staat om in dit leven volmaakt te worden als Jezus omdat wij zonde in ons hebben. Als we verlost willen worden zullen we ons dus op Jezus moeten focussen en niet op onze persoonlijke rechtvaardigheid. Alhoewel persoonlijke rechtvaardigheid goed is en een gevolg van versossing, speelt het geen rol in onze verlossing.
Zou je niet perfect heilig willen leven?quote:Met betrekking tot lusten. Dit moet je in een breed, evangelisch perspectief beschouwen. De fruit van verlossing is dat je een beter leven gaat leiden, minder naar de lusten van het vlees. Kortom minder zelfingenomen trots, hoererij, liegen etc. etc. Dat is een natuurlijke respons van onze redding. Dat betekent niet dat christenen compleet zondeloos leven en faploos door het leven gaan. We zijn immers nog steeds zondige mensen, alhoewel de Heilige Geest onze zonde binnen een bepaalde bandbreedte houdt en ervoor zorgt dat we niet uit de bocht vliegen.
Wat als het je je familie kost?
En je vrienden?
En je spullen?
Je gezondheid?
Je leven?
Je maakt er een wollig sprookje van. Het christelijk geloof is geen wollig pad maar een kruis waar je aan sterft. Indien je niet sterft kun je ook niet leven. De mosterdzaad moet eerst doodgaan voordat het een boom kan worden. Zo ook de christen: je dient aan je zonden te sterven en uit de geest herboren te worden indien je vruchten van bekering wilt dragen. Sterven en lijden is niet leuk, voor Jezus was het ook niet leuk, maar dat is de heiligmaking, ons kruis opnemen en Jezus volgen.quote:Christus heeft de simpele wet van geloof en liefde ingesteld. Geloof in hem en heb je naaste lief als jezelf. Het is zo simpel, helaas maken vele groeperingen het geloof moeilijker dan het daadwerkelijk is.
Ik vind persoonlijk richtlijnen die aanmoedigen tot het doden van hen die "verkeerd" doen wel verkeerd. Echt waar, mensen die beweren dat de bijbel een leuk boek is met leuke moraal en normen en waarden hebben die bijbel nog nooit gelezen. Zowel het OT als het NT is verschrikkelijk funest voor hen die niet joods of christelijk zijn en zich zo gedragen. Wees blij dat we geen christelijk of joods land zijn, prijs god op je blote knieen hiervoor.quote:
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oke, misschien niet te veel over nadenken.
Ben het eens dat het vol tegenstrijdigheden staat, en dat iedereen zijn eigen meningen er uit haalt.
Waar het in feite om draait zijn richtlijnen, op zich niet eens zo verkeerd.
het nadeel is dat, zoals in de Islam het kan vormen tot radicalisering.
"Bettler aber sollte man ganz abschaffen! Wahrlich, man ärgert sich ihnen zu geben und ärgert sich ihnen nicht zu geben."
Friedrich Nietzsche
Friedrich Nietzsche
En waar staat dat in het boek?quote:
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Ik vind persoonlijk richtlijnen die aanmoedigen tot het doden van hen die "verkeerd" doen wel verkeerd. Echt waar, mensen die beweren dat de bijbel een leuk boek is met leuke moraal en normen en waarden hebben die bijbel nog nooit gelezen. Zowel het OT als het NT is verschrikkelijk funest voor hen die niet joods of christelijk zijn en zich zo gedragen. Wees blij dat we geen christelijk of joods land zijn, prijs god op je blote knieen hiervoor.
Guess i missed that part.
I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer to all living things that cry out for help.I am the protector of the innocent. I am the Light in the darkness. I am truth. Ally to good! Nightmare to you!
In het oude testament staat bijvoorbeeld dat je mannen die met elkaar naar bed gaan moet stenigen. Hetzelfde geldt voor hen die vreemdgaan.quote:
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En waar staat dat in het boek?
Guess i missed that part.
Ongelovigen worden gedood, zowel in het OT als in het NT. Als je dat leuke verhalen vindt, geef mij dan maar de dwerg in de zeven sneeuwwitjes, of hoe je die sprookjes maar moet noemen.
Jezus heeft beweerd (volgens de schrijvers van evangelieen althans) dat hij de wet niet zou afschaffen, en dat de wet pas volbracht was als de zoon des mensen weder terug zou komen. Dus we mogen blij zijn dat veel christenen de menselijke evolutie een beetje volgen qua normen en waarden en niet de woorden van die Jezus (die hij gezegd zou hebben volgens de evangelisten).
Anders zou het christendom een tweede Islam zijn, al is de Islam nu vooral een tweede soort christendom.
"Bettler aber sollte man ganz abschaffen! Wahrlich, man ärgert sich ihnen zu geben und ärgert sich ihnen nicht zu geben."
Friedrich Nietzsche
Friedrich Nietzsche
Ik houd het dan maar bij het enige echte geloof, bedoel als we onze religie elke keer moeten aanpassen omdat het anders gewoon niet door de beugel kan.quote:
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In het oude testament staat bijvoorbeeld dat je mannen die met elkaar naar bed gaan moet stenigen. Hetzelfde geldt voor hen die vreemdgaan.
Ongelovigen worden gedood, zowel in het OT als in het NT. Als je dat leuke verhalen vindt, geef mij dan maar de dwerg in de zeven sneeuwwitjes, of hoe je die sprookjes maar moet noemen.
Jezus heeft beweerd (volgens de schrijvers van evangelieen althans) dat hij de wet niet zou afschaffen, en dat de wet pas volbracht was als de zoon des mensen weder terug zou komen. Dus we mogen blij zijn dat veel christenen de menselijke evolutie een beetje volgen qua normen en waarden en niet de woorden van die Jezus (die hij gezegd zou hebben volgens de evangelisten).
Anders zou het christendom een tweede Islam zijn, al is de Islam nu vooral een tweede soort christendom.
en.. i have proof
I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer to all living things that cry out for help.I am the protector of the innocent. I am the Light in the darkness. I am truth. Ally to good! Nightmare to you!
in de bijbel komt het woord 'kerk of church' niet voor
verontrust en zeer betrokken met onze samenleving, politiek kritisch maar geen voorkeur. darwinist en atheīst.
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