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  dinsdag 12 februari 2013 @ 12:27:19 #101
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Een model voor de rest van Syrie?

CNN exclusive: Fragile cease-fire holds in besieged town
Tal Kalakh, Syria (CNN) -- In the western town of Tal Kalakh, rebel fighters stand their ground as government forces loom just yards away. But here, bullets aren't flying.

That's because the two sides have agreed to something remarkable -- a cease-fire. While fragile, the agreement could be a blueprint for peace across more parts of the country, which has seen incessant bloodshed for 23 months.

If the local cease-fire continues to hold, it would defy failures at the national and international levels to implement a meaningful halt in violence.

"We are for peace. We don't want war. We are 100% committed to peace," said a rebel leader who goes by the name Al Abrash. "But if they want a war, we are ready for that. We didn't agree to the cease-fire out of weakness. We did it to protect the women and children."

Tal Kalakh, near Syria's border with Lebanon was one of the first cities to rebel against the regime of President Bashar al-Assad. It has seen heavy fighting since the uprising began.

Many civilians were forced to flee as government and rebel fighters battled in the streets. Houses, pockmarked with signs of artillery fire, bear witness to the fierce clashes that raged here.
Photos: Showdown in Syria Photos: Showdown in Syria
Exclusive: Syrian army stretched thin
Syrian refugee crisis grows

The walls of buildings in the city center are still covered in revolutionary graffiti; "God is great! Freedom," one read and "down with the thug," reads another.

But now Tal Kalakh has become a model project of sorts.

The cease-fire is a first step of a private "reconciliation initiative" led by a sheikh and a member of Syria's parliament.

"Before the agreement we reached, there were intense battles here. Many civilians, militants and soldiers were killed, a lot of blood was spilled. After the agreement there have been some individual violations like a soldier opening fire... but those have been dealt with straight away," Sheikh Habib al-Fandi said. "Compared to the past this is a state of peace and security."

But many people in Tal Kalakh say make no mistake -- this town is still under siege.

While the opposition Free Syrian Army controls Tal Kalakh, the town is surrounded by regime troops.

Residents, surprised to see an international TV crew escorted by officials into their city, swarmed around the CNN team in the main square. More than a dozen people complained about harassment by government-backed militias known as "Shabeeha."

One man with his three young children said he could not leave the city out of fear government forces would detain him.

Another man said his two sons were among more than 400 Tal Kalakh residents detained since the uprising.
This can be applied anywhere in Syria, as long as there is no interference by other countries
Syrian parliamentarian Eyad Sulaiman

Residents and fighters said they have had to create a makeshift graveyard close to the city center because regime troops have prevented them from reaching the main cemetery.

Al-Abrash and some of his fighters gathered for prayers at the small garden where they recently buried their dead. He says three rebels have been killed since the cease-fire began.

But signs of normalcy have sprouted amid the country's prolonged civil war. Some shops have reopened and the town center has come back to life.

The governor of Homs, where Tal Kalakh is located, described the city as once being "extremely dangerous and volatile," but now he says he is able to visit and even meet with the militants.

He says Tal Kalakh is an experiment.

"If the media and military support of terrorism is stopped ... I am convinced Homs will go back to what it was like within four months," Governor Ahmad Munir Mohammad said.

While rebel and government forces keep their positions around town, an unusual meeting takes place between a parliamentarian and rebels.

The parliamentarian, Eyad Sulaiman, is an Alawite -- the same sect of Islam that President Bashar al-Assad belongs to. But he's accepted by the mostly Sunni members of the Free Syrian Army.

The men agree on almost everything: They don't want a sectarian rift in Syria, they don't want foreign jihadist fighters entering the country, and they say government thugs must be stopped from harassing the population here.

Sulaiman says the local cease-fire in Tal Kalakh might work elsewhere.

"We have already tried to apply this concept in areas of Damascus ... so this can be applied anywhere in Syria, as long as there is no interference by other countries," the parliamentarian said.

Still, both sides acknowledge, the fighting could reignite anytime.

Abu Udey a rebel commander who accuses regime troops of continued provocations, said: "We don't kill people as a hobby ... the security forces in the area don't want a truce."

And there's one fundamental mission the rebels will not back down from.

"Our goal is to bring down the regime," Al Abbrash said. "It's impossible to change that -- impossible to back down from that goal."

Abu Udey says the men in his city were forced to arm themselves after peaceful demonstrations were met by violence from regime forces.

"If we achieve what we want -- [to] bring down the regime through peaceful means -- we are ready to lay down our arms for peace," Abu Udey said.

http://edition.cnn.com/20(...)index.html?hpt=hp_c4
  woensdag 13 februari 2013 @ 12:17:37 #103
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An Egyptian Nasserist Party (ENP) delegation has stirred controversy by visiting Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad.

“Our visit to Syria in support of Bashar Al-Assad came out of our genuine intention to back the resistance against American and Zionist plans in the region,” Farouq El-Eshri, co-founder of the ENP told Al-Ahram Arabic website.

The delegation had no intention of meeting with the Syrian opposition at the moment, he added.

Around 60,000 people have been killed during an ongoing two-year uprising against the Al-Assad government.

The meeting with Al-Assad on Tuesday did not find any solutions to the Syrian crisis, El-Eshri added, because no one can end it now.

“If Bashar falls, we are left with three scenarios: 1. the fall of ‘Arab Nationalist’ Syria, 2. Syria will fall under the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood, 3. It will be a civil war.”

Syria is the last defence line for Pan-Arabism, El-Eshri added.

Bashar Al-Assad is also the leader of the Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party in Syria.
A7a :') 60k doden en mogen er veel meer bij komen voor het Pan-Arabisme!!! :')

Wat een idioten heb je rondlopen op deze wereld.
All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers. ~Franois Fnelon
  woensdag 13 februari 2013 @ 18:26:30 #104
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Jihad Makdissi, the former Syrian foreign ministry spokesman, has said he has a neutral stance on the 23-month conflict, as he broke his silence for the first time since leaving the country in December.

"I left Syria because the polarisation in the country has reached a deadly and destructive stage... I left a battlefield, not a normal country, and I apologise to those who trusted my credibility and for leaving without prior notice," he said in an emailed statement on Wednesday.

Makdissi, once one of the most recognisable faces of President Bashar al-Assad's embattled regime who disappeared from public view in December, said he was now neither with the government in Damascus nor the opposition, which has been fighting to overthrow the Assad regime for nearly two years.

"I joined no one; I am independent," Makdissi said, adding that he did not possess any state secrets and was not part of the decision-making process in the regime.

"The goals of the popular movement are frankly legitimate - in principle and in essence - and have won the battle for the hearts, because all parts of society always stand with the weak and with the legitimate demands of the people.

"But they have not won the battle for the minds, for many reasons that are common knowledge."

Makdissi criticised his pro-regime critics who "found the time to insult me and immediately accuse me of treason, without respect for the lives of the more than 65,000 Syrian martyrs".

"I wish I could have stayed on Syrian land, but there is no longer room for moderation in this chaos," Makdissi said of the war that began as a popular uprising and steadily militarised under brutal state repression.
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  woensdag 13 februari 2013 @ 23:07:26 #105
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http://m.youtube.com/#/wa(...)%3DA5G_tA7BkZI&gl=GB
Jongens, horen jullie ook op 2:11 'is ie dood?' en op 2:19 'wat zeg je?'?
Dit kan wek het bewijs zijn dat er daar ook Nederlanders rondlopen.
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http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSBRE91B13420130212
In het noorden van Syri is een standbeeld onthoofd van Abu al-Ala al-Maari, een 11e-eeuwse dichter.
Hoe bekend is die man in Syri?
  donderdag 14 februari 2013 @ 18:28:06 #108
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0s.gif Op woensdag 13 februari 2013 23:07 schreef sonnyspek het volgende:
http://m.youtube.com/#/wa(...)%3DA5G_tA7BkZI&gl=GB
Jongens, horen jullie ook op 2:11 'is ie dood?' en op 2:19 'wat zeg je?'?
Dit kan wek het bewijs zijn dat er daar ook Nederlanders rondlopen.
Klinkt als Vlamingen. Maar het is bekend dat jihadi's uit alle windstreken daar heen gaan om te vechten. Hopelijk blijven ze daar ook
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  donderdag 14 februari 2013 @ 18:52:09 #109
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Verbaast me dat het maar 14 doden zijn.
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  donderdag 14 februari 2013 @ 19:57:32 #110
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Elite Iranian general assassinated near Syria-Lebanon border

Syrian rebels claim responsibility for killing of General Hassan Shateri, a senior figure in the Revolutionary Guards

A senior commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards has been killed while travelling from Syria to Lebanon, according to Iranian authorities.

A man identified as General Hassan Shateri was reportedly assassinated by what Iranian officials described as "the agents and supporters of the Zionist regime" while travelling from Damascus to Beirut.

It was not immediately clear in which of the two countries Shateri was killed but a Syrian rebel commander said an Iranian official was killed in an attack carried out by Syrian rebels in Zabadani in southwestern Syria, close to the Lebanese border.

"General Hassan Shateri was martyred by the agents and supporters of the Zionist regime on his way to Beirut from Damascus," the semi-official Mehr news agency quoted the Revolutionary Guards' spokesman, Ramezan Sharif, as saying on Thursday.

Iran's state English-language television, Press TV, reported that Shateri was killed on Tuesday and described him as the man who "led the Iranian-financed reconstruction projects in the south of Lebanon". By pointing the finger at "Israeli agents", Sharif was probably referring to Syrian rebels whom Iranian officials portray as terrorist armed groups backed by Tel Aviv.

Iran is a staunch supporter of the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad and Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, providing both with military and financial support. Syria gives Iran physical access to Lebanon and Hezbollah, which is strategically important for Tehran's leaders because of the group's geographical position in respect to Israel. Iran does not recognise Israel as a country and usually refers to it as "the Zionist regime".

After the 2006 war between the Israeli military and Hezbollah, Iran's elite forces bolstered their presence in southern Lebanon, saying they were willing to revamp the region's war-stricken infrastructure. This became a contentious issue for Tel Aviv but boosted the popularity of Iran among Hezbollah supporters.

Mehr said Shateri was a veteran of the eight-year Iran-Iraq war who in recent years "had devoted his time to the reconstruction of damaged areas after the 33-day Israeli war on Lebanon".

Iran's embassy in Lebanon, meanwhile, identified the dead man as Hessam Khoshnevis, leading to confusion that there might be a second death. But the circumstances given about Khoshnevis's death and his job title were similar to those of Shateri.

The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights told AFP that Shateri was killed when a rebel group ambushed his vehicle while he was returning to Lebanon from Syria.

On Thursday Iran held a funeral ceremony for Shateri in Tehran that was attended by the foreign minister, Ali Akbar Salehi, and the commander of the Revolutionary Guards, Mohammad Ali Jafari. Ghasem Suleimani, the man who heads the external arm of the Revolutionary Guards, known as the Quds force, members of which usually shun public ceremonies, also attended the funeral.

In May 2012, a senior Quds force commander conceded for the first time that Iranian forces were operating in Syria in support of the Assad regime.

"If the Islamic republic was not present in Syria, the massacre of people would have happened on a much larger scale," Ismail Gha'ani, the deputy head of the Quds force, said at the time.

In February 2012, Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, went public to say that the Icountry has provided assistance to Hezbollah and Palestinian group Hamas.

"We have intervened in anti-Israel matters, and it brought victory in the 33-day war by Hezbollah against Israel in 2006, and in the 22-day war [in Gaza Strip]" he said at the time.
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^O^

ik hoop dat turken hun hoofd koel houden en iig fysiek afzijdig blijven in het conflict itt de iraniers
Ik heb Hem niet uit vrees voor de hel noch uit liefde voor het paradijs gediend, want dan zou ik als de slechte huurling zijn geweest; ik heb hem veeleer gediend in liefde tot Hem en in verlangen naar Hem.
-Rabia Al-Basri
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Klinkt als Vlamingen. Maar het is bekend dat jihadi's uit alle windstreken daar heen gaan om te vechten. Hopelijk blijven ze daar ook
Op 2:11 hoor ik vreemd genoeg ook zoiets, maar Vlamingen zouden zelden "is ie doowd" zeggen.
Op 2:19 hoor ik daar toch alleen met veel verbeelding "wat zeg je" in.

Ik weet niet of er veel Nederlandstalige jihadi's zijn in Syri, maar wel wat Franssprekenden uit de Lage Landen zoals Abdelrahman Ayachi, zoon van een omstreden Syrische imam, die zelf bij verstek veroordeeld is in Belgi. Vranckx stak in deze documentaire rond 28:00 met hem de grens over:
http://www.canvas.be/prog(...)A13b664db193%3A-7f8d

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'Syrirs vechten voor hun land, rebellen voor de hemel met zeventig vrouwen' alsjeblieft zeg...
Door: Irene de Zwaan
15-2-13 - 14:49
’We bidden elke dag dat hij aanblijft
Hanan Shamoun tijdens een demonstratie in Den Haag

Ze voelen zich genegeerd en niet begrepen, maar strijdbaarder dan ooit tevoren. Morgen demonstreert de aanhang van de omstreden Syrische president Bashar al-Assad voor de vijfde keer in Den Haag. 'De media schrijven ons verhaal nooit op', zegt Hanan Shamoun (47), een Syrische vrouwenrechtenactiviste uit Bunnik. 'Die denken waarschijnlijk: dat zijn idioten, net als Assad.' en terecht

Waartegen protesteren jullie morgen?
'Tegen de aanval die Isral vorige maand uitvoerde op een wetenschappelijk instituut voor wapenonderzoek aan de grens met Libanon. Wij zien dat als een terroristische aanval. Isral moet zich niet met de Syri bemoeien. Syri valt toch ook geen militaire doelen in Isral aan?' nee bashars leger steek liever zijn eigen land afbrand

Isral beweerde dat de aanval gericht was op een konvooi met chemische wapens die mogelijk voor Hezbollah bestemd waren.
'Dat klopt niet en als het al waar zou zijn, dan valt het helemaal af te keuren. Een aanval op chemische wapens kan een milieuramp veroorzaken! er waren beelden van de konvooi en beelden van het luchtafweer geschut, geleverd door de staat zelf

Jullie doen alle aanslagen die door rebellen worden gepleegd af als 'terroristische daden', maar Assad en zijn troepen hebben ook tienduizenden burgerslachtoffers op hun geweten. Ze beschieten universiteiten, demonstraties, ziekenhuizen. Zijn dat ook terroristische daden?
'Nee, want Assad is geoorloofd geweld te gebruiken. Hij is verantwoordelijk voor de veiligheid in zijn land. Individuen daarentegen mogen geen geweld gebruiken om hun doelen te bereiken.'assad mag dus hele dorpen uitmoorden en steden met de grond gelijk maken, omdat hij verantwoordelijk is voor de veiligheid, het ziet er niet naar uit dat hij die verantwoordelijk kan dragen

'In elke oorlog vallen burgerslachtoffers, helaas. Syrirs vechten voor hun land, rebellen voor de hemel waar zeventig vrouwen op ze wachten. Ze spelen het spel heel slim door woorden als 'democratie' en 'vrijheid' te gebruiken. Maar uiteindelijk vechten ze voor invoering van de sharia. Dat betekent achteruitgang, minder vrijheid.'het inmiddels klassieke islamitische complot

'Het gekke is: in Mali noemen ze de islamisten terroristen, in Syri zijn het rebellen. Als de islamisten in Syri rebellen zijn, dan was Osama bin Laden ook een rebel. Ze dragen dezelfde vlag als hij, hetzelfde bandje om hun voorhoofd en voeren dezelfde jihad.'een eeuwig durende afrikaans stammen conflict vergelijken dit conflict? alsjeblieft...

Hoeveel Syrirs denken net als jij?
'Meer dan de helft van de bevolking staat achter Assad. Hoe kan het anders dat hij zich al twee jaar staande houdt in deze situatie? Syrirs leven in armoede, zitten zonder elektriciteit, maar meer dan de helft blijft naar zijn werk gaan. Daarmee tonen Syrirs zich loyaal aan het regime.' dat bashar veel steun heeft intern staat vast, maar je hebt maar 20% van de bevolking nodig die het staats apparaat draaiende houdt om de overige 80% te onderdrukken

'In Nederland heeft Assad ook veel aanhang, vooral in de christelijke en seculiere gemeenschap. De Facebook-pagina van de pro-Assad aanhang in Nederland heeft meer dan tweeduizend 'likes'. Al deze mensen staan met hart en ziel achter Assad en bidden dagelijks dat hij aanblijft als president.' zou fijn zijn in het nederlands

En wat nu als jullie gebeden niet ingewilligd worden?
'Dan komen er salafistische of andere religieuze groepen aan de macht. Dat zal heel slecht zijn voor de minderheden in Syri. Ook vrouwen zullen rechten verliezen, zoals het recht om auto te rijden. Wij willen juist meer rechten. In 1945 hebben we gekozen voor een republiek. Daar willen we aan vasthouden. Assad heeft fouten gemaakt, dat geven we toe, maar hij is bereid om te veranderen. En hij is seculier. Dat is het belangrijkste.'vraag me af waar hij op zat te wachten sinds zijn aantreden als president 13 jaar geleden

Je gaf aan dat je je genegeerd voelt door de media.
'Onze stem wordt niet gehoord. In september hadden we een demonstratie in Den Haag. In de kranten stonden daarover twee zinnen vermeld: het aantal personen en dat alles vreedzaam was verlopen. Niemand die ons heeft gevraagd waarom we demonstreerden en waarom we achter Assad staan. Ze denken waarschijnlijk: dat zijn idioten, net als Assad. Hij wordt door de media zwartgemaakt en wij als volgelingen daardoor ook. Terwijl: Assad heeft ook veel goede dingen gedaan.'op het moment dat je vreedzame demonstranten gaat afknallen doen al die goede dingen er niet meer toe

'Langzaamaan laten de media ook kritische geluiden horen over de oppositie, maar het is te laat. Het land is bijna kapot.' dankzij bashar idd, volgens mij is een van de pro assad leuzen die je hoort in syrie: "bashar of het land naar de verdoemenis" vrij vertaald uiteraard :p mer het is een doel bewuste keuze dus

Geloven jullie dat het ooit nog goed komt met Syri?
'Zeker. We blijven vasthouden aan het geloof dat de regering wint en een democratische weg in zal slaan. Wij willen Syri ervoor behoeden dat het in islamitische handen valt. Wij willen redden wat er nog te redden valt.' tja de wonderen zijn de wereld nog niet uit uiteraard
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Ik heb Hem niet uit vrees voor de hel noch uit liefde voor het paradijs gediend, want dan zou ik als de slechte huurling zijn geweest; ik heb hem veeleer gediend in liefde tot Hem en in verlangen naar Hem.
-Rabia Al-Basri
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^O^

ik hoop dat turken hun hoofd koel houden en iig fysiek afzijdig blijven in het conflict itt de iraniers
De Turken zitten heel diep in het Syrische conflict. Afzijdig kan je het absoluut niet noemen. Ik denk dat je de Turkse steun voor de rebellen en hoe ver die gaat onderschat. Ik denk dat veel Turken (in Turkije) niet eens precies weten hoe diep hun regering bij dit conflict betrokken is.
Oorlog is de verderzetting van de politiek maar met andere middelen - Clausewitz
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Het volgende zeer grote artikel geeft heel veel goede inzichten in hoe de situatie in Syrie nu is, welke partijen en individuen erbij betrokken zijn en hoe de wapenleveringen tot stand komen en via welke kanalen. Flink artikel maar zeker aan te raden, door de goede Guardian journalist Ghaith Abdul-Ahad. Meerdere malen langere tijd in Syrie verbleven en ook op de frontlinie.

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How to Start a Battalion (in Five Easy Lessons)
Ghaith Abdul-Ahad reports from Syria

In the cramped living room of a run-down flat near the Aleppo frontline, two Syrian rebels sat opposite each other. The one on the left was stout, broad-shouldered, with a neat beard that looked as though it had been outlined in sharp pencil around his throat and cheeks. His shirt and trousers were immaculately pressed and he wore brand-new military webbing – the expensive Turkish kind, not the Syrian knock-off. The rebel sitting opposite him was younger, gaunt and tired-looking. His hands were filthy and his trousers caked in mud and diesel.

The flat had once belonged to an old lady. Traces of a domestic life that had long ceased to exist were scattered around the room and mingled with the possessions of the new occupiers. A mother of pearl ashtray sat next to a pile of walkie-talkies. Small china figurines stood on top of the TV next to a box of cartridges. Guns and ammunition lay on the rickety wooden chairs and a calendar showing faded landscapes hung on the wall. In the bedroom next door clothes were piled on the bed next to crates of ammunition. The stout rebel was shifty, on edge and keen to finish what he came to say and leave quickly. The other looked like a man waiting for a disaster to unfold.

But like a couple trying to conduct the business of their divorce with civility they spent a long time on pleasantries: each asked the other about his village and praised the courage and strength of his people. Outside a machine gun fired relentlessly down the street, interrupted only by the occasional thud of a mortar shell.

‘I am taking my cousins away from the front,’ the stout man finally said.

‘Why?’ the young rebel whined, as if one of the mortar shells had smacked him in the head. ‘Did we do anything wrong? Didn’t we feed them properly? Didn’t they get their daily rations? Whatever ammunition we get we divide equally: tell me what we did wrong.’

‘No, no, nothing wrong – but you seem not to have any work here.’

‘But this is an important defensive position,’ the young rebel pleaded. ‘All of Aleppo depends on this hill. If you go, two frontline posts will be left empty. They’ll be able to skirt around us.’

‘I’m sure you’ll take care of it. Allah bless your men, they’re very good.’

‘Where will you go?’

‘A very good man, a seeker of good deeds – he is from our town but he lives in the Gulf – told me he would fund my new battalion. He says he will pay for our ammunition and we get to keep all the spoils of the fighting. We just have to supply him with videos.’

‘But why would he do that? What’s he getting in return?’

‘He wants to appease God, and he wants us to give him videos of all our operations. That’s all – just YouTube videos.’

‘So he can get more money.’

‘Well, that’s up to him.’

They spent some more time on pleasantries but the divorce was done. The stout man walked out. Waiting for him in the cold were half a dozen men, young, earnest, country boys with four guns between them. Their cigarettes glowed in the dark as they walked behind their cousin, their new commander, in his pressed trousers and shirt, who promised them better food, plentiful ammunition and victory. So a new battalion is formed, one more among the many hundreds of other battalions fighting a war of insurgency and revolution against the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

*

We in the Middle East have always had a strong appetite for factionalism. Some attribute it to individualism, others blame the nature of our political development or our tribalism. Some even blame the weather. We call it tasharthum and we loathe it: we hold it as the main reason for all our losses and defeats, from al-Andalus to Palestine. Yet we love it and bask in it and excel at it, and if there is one thing we appreciate it is a faction that splinters into smaller factions. Yet even by the measure of previous civil wars in the Middle East, the Syrians seem to have reached new heights. After all, the Palestinians in their heyday had only a dozen or so factions, and the Lebanese, God bless them, pretending it was ideology that divided them, never exceeded thirty different factions.

In Istanbul I asked a Syrian journalist and activist why there were so many battalions. He laughed and said, ‘Because we are Syrians,’ and went on to tell me a story I have heard many times before. ‘When the Syrian president, head of the military junta at the time, signed the unification agreement with Nasser, basically handing the country to the Egyptians and stripping himself of his presidential title, he passed the document to Nasser and said I give up my role as president but I hand you a country of four million presidents.’

For decades, the dictatorship in Syria worked to stamp the people into submission: every pulpit, every media outlet, every schoolbook sent out the same message, that people should be subservient to the ruler. In Syria (as in a different way in Iraq, Egypt and the rest), those in authority – from the president to the policeman, from the top party apparatchik to the lowliest government functionary – exercised power over every aspect of people’s lives. You spent your life trying to avoid being humiliated – let alone detained and tortured or disappeared – by those in authority while somehow also sucking up to them, bribing them, begging them to give you what you needed: a telephone line, a passport, a university place for your son. So when these systems of control collapsed, something exploded inside people, a sense of individualism long suppressed. Why would I succumb to your authority as a commander when I can be my own commander and fight my own insurgency? Many of the battalions dotted across the Syrian countryside consist only of a man with a connection to a financier, along with a few of his cousins and clansmen. They become itinerant fighting groups, moving from one battle to another, desperate for more funds and a fight and all the spoils that follow.

Officially – or at least this is what many would like to believe – all the battalions are part of the Free Syrian Army. But from the start of the uprising in March 2011, the FSA has never managed to become an organisation with the kind of centralised command structure that would allow it to co-ordinate attacks and move units on the ground. Until recently, Colonel Riad al-Asad, the nominal head of the FSA, and his fellow defectors from the Syrian army were interned in the Officers’ Camp, a special refugee camp in southern Turkey – for their protection, the Turks say. All meetings and interviews with the defecting colonel had to go through Turkish intelligence. Towards the end of last year the FSA announced that it had moved its headquarters to the Syrian side of the border, in an attempt to prove its relevance. But battalions are still formed by commanders working and fighting on their own initiative across Syria, arming themselves via many different channels and facing challenges unique to their towns and villages. For these people the colonel was just a talking head and a stooge of the Turks, and the FSA not much more than a label. Another problem emerged when higher-ranking officers started defecting from the army. Who leads the FSA? The officers who defected first? Or the men who outrank them? Parallel organisations of defecting officers started to pop up, but few had any real influence where it mattered.

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So how do you form a battalion in Syria? First, you need men, most likely young men from the countryside, where the surplus of the underemployed over the centuries has provided for any number of different armies and insurgencies. Weapons will come from smugglers, preferably via Iraq or Turkey. You will also need someone who knows how to operate a laptop and/or a camcorder and can post videos on the internet – essential in applying for funds from the diaspora or Gulf financiers. A little bit of ideology won’t hurt, probably with a hint of Islamism of some variety. You’ll also need money, but three or four thousand dollars should be enough to start you off.

Long before the uprising, Abu Abdullah and his brothers made a fortune running an import/export and cross-border transport business. Their trucks crossed the frontiers of Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, all the way to Saudi Arabia, ferrying Turkish vegetables to Iraq and bringing back fuel, taking Syrian fruit across Jordan to the Saudi border. Not all the products they traded in were perishables nor were all legal; subsidised Syrian petrol was smuggled to Lebanon and Turkey.

The brothers, like many other members of the rich business elite, were conservative Muslims, though not radical or Salafist. Thanks to their wealth and religion, they had connections across the mercantile Middle East, the illicit smuggling networks of the region and, more important, links to powerful preachers and religious families in the Gulf. When, very early on, their native town of Homs erupted in an uprising that soon became an armed insurrection it was wealthy – and, usually, religious – Syrians like Abu Abdullah who sent money, ran services, provided food and fuel. They are still central to humanitarian provision in Syria.

Abu Abdullah also used his extensive cross-border network to bring in weapons and ammunition. ‘I had five pick-up trucks filled with weapons and ammunition crossing from Lebanon and ten crossing from Iraq every week. We started with hunting rifles and now we bring anti-aircraft guns. We were the ones who powered the revolution.’

He is tall, well-built and has the confidence of a wealthy man surrounded by poor peasants. He conducts the business of funding and arming the uprising from a small concrete room perched deep inside a pine and olive grove that cascades down the slopes of a mountain in Idlib province. Delegates from across the country would come to sit on the floor beside him. Some asked for weapons, others brought money. Hundreds of thousands of dollars passed through the room. At night he lay on a thin mat on the bare concrete floor. Switching from vegetables to armaments turned out to be very easy, he said. But as the fighting spread and intensified more money and more organisation was needed to push the battle towards a tipping point. A master plan was devised to co-ordinate the flow of weapons.

‘We reached a point in the fighting, in spring 2012, when we needed proper support. We needed heavy machine guns, real weapons. Money was never an issue: how much do you want? Fifty million dollars, a hundred million dollars – not a problem. But heavy weapons were becoming hard to find: the Turks – and without them this revolution wouldn’t have started – wanted the Americans to give them the green light before they would allow us to ship the weapons. We had to persuade Saad al-Hariri, Rafic Hariri’s son and a former prime minister, to go to put pressure on the Saudis, to tell them: “You abandoned the Sunnis of Iraq and you lost a country to Iran. If you do the same thing again you won’t only lose Syria, but Lebanon with it.”’ The idea was that the Saudis in turn would pressure the Americans to give the Turks the green light to allow proper weapons into the country.

Now suddenly, while on the ground the revolution was still in the hands of small bands of rebels and activists, a set of outside interests started conspiring to direct events in ways amenable to them. There were the Saudis, who never liked Bashar but were wary of more chaos in the Middle East. The Qataris, who were positioning themselves at the forefront of the revolutions of the Arab Spring, using their formidable TV networks to mobilise support and their vast wealth to fund illicit weapons shipments to the Libyans. And of course there were the French and the Americans.

‘The Americans gave their blessing,’ Abu Abdullah said, ‘and all the players converged and formed an operations room. It had the Qataris, the Saudis, the Turks and Hariri.’ In their infinite wisdom the players decided to entrust the running of the room – known as the Armament Room or the Istanbul Room after the city where it was based – to a Lebanese politician called Okab Sakr, a member of Hariri’s party who was widely seen as divisive and autocratic. The plan was to form military councils to be led and dominated by defectors from the Syrian army – this in order to appease the Americans, who were getting worried about the rising influence of the Islamists. All the fighting groups, it was assumed, would eventually agree to answer to the military councils because they were the main source of weapons.

At first, the plan seemed to be working. As summer approached military councils sprang up in Aleppo, Homs, Idlib and Deir al-Zour and some major battalions and factions did join in. Better weapons – though not the sophisticated anti-tank and anti-aircraft equipment the rebels wanted – started entering Syria from Turkey. Until this point, most of the weapons smuggled from Turkey had come in small shipments on horseback or carried on foot by intermediaries and the fighters themselves, but these new shipments were massive, sent by truck. Iraq remained the largest single supplier, a legacy of three decades of war, but a lot of the Iraqi ammunition was of bad quality, having been buried in the sand for years. So the new supplies were eagerly received.

In the city of Deir al-Zour, in the early summer I sat with the chief armaments officer of the military council, who had converted his bedroom into an arsenal. I watched as he unzipped travel bags and distributed RPGs to his fighters, the rockets brand-new in their plastic wrapping, along with Austrian rifles (surplus or refurbished), Swiss hand grenades, Australian sniper rifles – the list went on.

A few weeks later, though, the plan started to collapse. In Deir al-Zour, an army defector accused the military council of being dominated by a single tribe and village. He set up a rival council. In Idlib and Homs the council was seen as too weak as rival battalions grew in influence. The Istanbul Room was accused of favouritism. By mid-July it was only in Aleppo that the council seemed to be working and the rebels pushed towards the city.

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After two weeks of fighting the rebels were in control of large parts of Aleppo, but they soon suffered a serious setback in the Salah al-Din district. The weapons shipments stopped getting through in September. When I went there skirmishes were still taking place on dozens of frontlines criss-crossing the city and shelling and air strikes pounded the concrete residential blocks mercilessly. The air was sultry and oppressive, with an occasional breeze carrying the smell of death and festering garbage and rustling the curtains in broken windows.

Just before dusk a plane that had been circling overhead for hours, driven away only briefly after rebels wasted precious ammunition on it, returned with new determination. With each circle the rebels ran for delusional cover: a bush, a tree, a house – nothing that would stop a bomb, but at least it gave a feeling of protection. The plane circled, swooped down, released a black object and rose up again in a graceful curve like a dancer. The object, a bomb, disappeared behind a building. First there was a cloud – brown, black and grey – and then a thunderous explosion. The plane passed overhead and banked away.

Two officers, members of the Aleppo military council, were policing the frontlines. Captain Hussam – codename Abu Muhammad – was round and tall and always laughing. He drove an old car loaded with ammunition, co-ordinating attacks and supplying the fighters along a stretch of the boulevard. His friend Musbah, or Abu Hussein, was short and agitated. He would rush from one skirmish to another, leading the men through tunnels under apartment blocks, moving through bedrooms and kitchens, picking positions behind lace curtains to snipe at government soldiers.

‘Before we entered Aleppo we were promised ammunition,’ Hussam said. ‘They told us to start the fight here and that they would get us support. Well, we got some.’ Like a provincial pharmacist dispensing his precious tablets individually wrapped, the captain carried out his daunting job frugally and with minute attention. His reserve cache of ammunition, which was to service the whole frontline, had dwindled to one thousand Kalashnikov bullets and six RPG rockets. The fighters harangued him: they needed ammunition but he had none to give.

He had recently been in a meeting with other Aleppo commanders. The cracks between the military councils and the battalions starting to grow. ‘The Islamists at the meeting attacked the councils,’ he said. ‘They’re furious that the officers control the new ammunition. They think we want to bring in military rule, and they consider us infidels because we once supported the regime.’

‘This is a secular nation,’ his friend Musbah said. ‘They want to bring back the days of the caliphate.’

A week later, Musbah was killed, and whatever ammunition he was able to get was gone. The men were complaining more than ever, so Hussam decided to go north to find the leaders of the Aleppo military council to ask about his promised ammunition. He drove for several hours through hayfields and villages, heading close to the Turkish border. He arrived at a luxurious villa with whitewashed walls and a large swimming pool and was led inside. The marble floors were cold and clean. The fridge was stuffed with meat, fruit and even an ice cream cake. A few journalists, French and Arab, lounged around in the marble hallway using the wifi. Maybe it was the heat, the death, the weeks of fighting at the front or maybe the sugar rush from the ice cream cake, but Hussam’s nerves snapped and he started shouting.

‘You guys should really come down and see what’s going on. We’re dying down there.’

The head of the council, a former colonel in combat fatigues with a Vietnam-era flack jacket, arrived along with his assistant and bookkeeper, a former teacher called Ali Dibo, now treasurer of the arsenal. Hussam was taken aside, promised his ammunition again and sent back to Aleppo.

Ali Dibo drove me in his fancy car to another large villa in a nearby village. An old Mercedes truck was parked outside, covered in a tarpaulin. Fighters stood around under the orange trees. Two commanders were waiting to see Ali, now no longer the meek subordinate he’d been in the presence of the head of the military council but sporting the air of supreme commander of the faithful. He interrogated one of the men: ‘Why do you need so much ammunition?’ But he signed the necessary papers and the men under the orange trees started unloading crates of ammunition from the truck into a waiting pickup. The big truck was the council’s mobile armoury, containing 450,000 rounds of bullets and hundreds of RPGs.

Ali Dibo turned to another supplicant. ‘All I want from you is a short video that you can put on YouTube, stating your name and your unit and that you are part of the Aleppo military council. Then you can go do whatever you want. I just need to show the Americans that units are joining the council. I met two Americans yesterday, and they told me we won’t get any advanced weapons until we show we’re united under the leadership of the officers in the military councils. Just shoot the video and let me handle the rest.’

Months later I visited Hussam. He had discovered that the ex-teacher had been running his own show, siphoning off weapons intended for frontline troops and using them to build his own power base. Hussam sank into a sofa in the small apartment where he lives with his wife. Metal spikes stuck out of his leg: not long after he was sent back to Aleppo his car flipped over as he tried to flee an aerial bombardment. One of his close friends was killed – in fact most of his friends were by now either dead or seriously injured. ‘Ali Dibo was building his own personal fiefdom. He was using the ammunition destined for Aleppo to curry favour with other commanders.’ The military council, he said, was now just one more militia among the feuding battalions. ‘The problem is that every time they set up a council to oversee the war effort it turns into a militia. They can’t differentiate between their own personal interests and those of the nation.’

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Last November, under pressure from the Americans, and with promises of better funding and more weapons from the Gulf nations, all the opposition factions met in Doha. A new council was created, called the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces. Under its aegis a new military command structure was supposed to include all fighting groups, commanders inside and outside the country. But the promised flow of weapons never materialised: there were small amounts of ammunition, but no major shipments. Only weapons bought from Iraqi and sometimes Turkish smugglers were still getting through.

I stood with Abu Abdullah on a muddy hill not far from the Turkish border. Nearby was a makeshift refugee camp, with sewage water trickling between the tents and children shivering in front of a water truck, where they were playing with the shiny pots distributed by a relief agency. Some put them on their heads like helmets, others sat on them. The fence separating us from Turkey had collapsed; two Turkish army jeeps rumbled up and down the road.

Abu Abdullah pointed at a Turkish military outpost further down the hill. ‘This is where we did the handovers of shipments: they drove them to the post and we took over from there, but now we’re only getting ten to fifteen thousand rounds a week. It’s nothing. Iraq has been the main provider, but we can’t get anything interesting from there either. I sent people looking for weeks and we only found one anti-aircraft gun.’

After giving up on the Turks and their Armament Room, Abu Abdullah and his friends turned to the Libyans. Libya is both a fervent revolutionary power and a huge weapons market. ‘In Iraq we buy a certain number of bullets but in Libya they sell them by the weight, by the ton, and it’s dirt cheap. But we can’t ship them by sea. Thirteen countries control the waters in the Mediterranean and we need permission from all of them or from the Americans. So the Qataris fly the weapons to Doha and then they ship them down from Turkey.’

We drove along the border looking for a place to cross, but stopped by mistake in front of the wrong gate. A bearded man in a military jacket appeared carrying a Kalashnikov. He waved us in with his flashlight, but then an older man came over and ordered us to halt.

‘We want to cross into Turkey,’ Abu Abdullah said.

‘You can’t, this is private property,’ the old man said in heavily accented Arabic. There were three tents behind him and material for more. ‘You have to leave immediately,’ he said, politely but firmly. This camp, right on the Turkish border, was for foreign jihadis – the only people, as Abu Abdullah complained, who were getting money and equipment these days. Hakim al-Mutairi, a Kuwaiti Salafi preacher, was sending them millions of dollars. ‘I confronted him at a meeting a few weeks ago,’ Abu Abdullah said. ‘I told him you are hijacking our revolution. The jihadis are buying weapons and ammunition from the other units. They have no problem with money.’

At the end of January, I met a friend of Abu Abdullah; he’d once been a wealthy man, a merchant, but he’d seen his wealth dwindle as all his businesses came to a halt. His lips were quivering with anger and he kept thumping the table with his fist.

‘Why are the Americans doing this to us? They told us they wouldn’t send us weapons until we united. So we united in Doha. Now what’s their excuse? They say it’s because of the jihadis but it’s the jihadis who are gaining ground. Abu Abdullah is $400,000 in debt and no one is sending him money anymore. It’s all going to the jihadis. They have just bought a former military camp from a battalion that was fighting the government. They went to them, gave them I don’t know how many millions and bought the camp. Maybe we should all become jihadis. Maybe then we’ll get money and support.’

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/(...)in-five-easy-lessons
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De Turken zitten heel diep in het Syrische conflict. Afzijdig kan je het absoluut niet noemen. Ik denk dat je de Turkse steun voor de rebellen en hoe ver die gaat onderschat. Ik denk dat veel Turken (in Turkije) niet eens precies weten hoe diep hun regering bij dit conflict betrokken is.
jaja dat besef ik ook, daarom ook "fysiek", dan bedoel ik dat ze geen troepen die kant opsturen, dat zou niet te verkopen zijn aan het turkse electoraat, maar de turken zitten er heel diep in idd en terecht ook, mijn steun hebben ze, de grootste regionale mogendheid waar de turken door de geschiedenis heen het meest strijd mee hebben gehad waren de perzen en de turken zien nu irak een satelliet staat van iran worden (vandaar de toenadering van de turken met de koerden in noord irak tegen het zere been van de vs) en bashar heeft voor een groot gedeelte zijn overleving tot vandaag te danken aan iran, als hij deze strijd overleeft zal hij ook een satelliet staat van iran worden ook al lijken ze ideologisch niet compatibel, ze delen wel dezelfde geopolitieke problemen en zijn eigenlijk tot elkaar veroordeeld

de turken zijn niet blij met dit conflict immers ze willen gewoon zaken doen met iedereen en dat gaat natuurlijk niet als de kogels om je oren vliegen, maar ze weten wel wat er voor het turkse belang moet gebeuren en dat is exit assad en irans invloed in de regio indammen

http://www.hurriyetdailyn(...)=41185&NewsCatID=352

waarschijnlijk een turkse jihadi
Ik heb Hem niet uit vrees voor de hel noch uit liefde voor het paradijs gediend, want dan zou ik als de slechte huurling zijn geweest; ik heb hem veeleer gediend in liefde tot Hem en in verlangen naar Hem.
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Het volgende zeer grote artikel geeft heel veel goede inzichten in hoe de situatie in Syrie nu is, welke partijen en individuen erbij betrokken zijn en hoe de wapenleveringen tot stand komen en via welke kanalen. Flink artikel maar zeker aan te raden, door de goede Guardian journalist Ghaith Abdul-Ahad. Meerdere malen langere tijd in Syrie verbleven en ook op de frontlinie.

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Ik had al eerder verhalen gehoord dat wapens en ammunitie in Irak voor torenhoge prijzen weggingen richting Syri. Nooit echt een betrouwbare bron er over gevonden, maar dit bevestigt het wel een beetje.
  zaterdag 16 februari 2013 @ 19:13:08 #118
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Syrian rebels have captured a military airbase in the north and geared up for a major battle against regime forces as the opposition says it refuses to accept President Bashar al-Assad in talks on the 23-month conflict.

The rebels on Friday said they overran the base in the town of Sfeira, east of Aleppo international airport, and captured a large stockpile of ammunition.

Activists reported intermittent clashes around the Aleppo airport itself as well as around Nayrab airbase and another military complex, as the two sides squared up for a major fight.

"The army shelled the area around Aleppo international airport and Nayrab air base on Friday morning, while rebels used home-made rockets to shell Nayrab," Rami Abdel Rahman, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said.

The Syrian army "is preparing a large-scale operation to take back control of Base 80", he said, referring to a military complex tasked with the security of both Nayrab and Aleppo airports.

Rebels seized the base on Wednesday after a battle that left at least 150 dead from both sides, among them senior army officers, according to the Observatory.
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De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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Ik heb Hem niet uit vrees voor de hel noch uit liefde voor het paradijs gediend, want dan zou ik als de slechte huurling zijn geweest; ik heb hem veeleer gediend in liefde tot Hem en in verlangen naar Hem.
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Syrian rebels being treated in Israeli hospital

JERUSALEM (JTA) -- Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called the treatment of seven wounded Syrians in an Israeli hospital "exceptional, isolated cases."
The men were wounded Saturday near Israel's security fence with Syria in the Golan Heights during clashes between the Syrian army and rebel forces in Syria's two-year civil war.
During the regular weekly Cabinet meeting, Netanyahu said of the civil war in Syria: "Yesterday, we saw that the fighting is also approaching our border. We will continue to guard our border and prevent passage and entry to Israel, except for exceptional, isolated cases, every one will be considered on its merits."
Israel Defense Forces soldiers discovered the injured men near the security fence and brought them to Ziv Hospital in Safed, Haaretz reported. The newspaper reported that the men likely are rebels. One reportedly was severely wounded and the rest were injured from bullets and shrapnel, according to Haaretz. The men are being isolated from other patients and are expected to remain in the hospital for one week.
Druze communities on the Golan Heights reportedly have asked the army to allow the men to stay in Israel or be sent to a third country that will accept them as refugees, the Israeli daily Maariv reported.
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'Invasie Hezbollah in Syri'

DAMASCUS - De Libanese groepering Hezbollah heeft enkele dorpen in Syri aangevallen. Dat hebben rebellen gemeld die tegen de Syrische president Bashar al-Assad vechten.


Ze spreken van een ''invasie'' van Hezbollah-strijders in Syri, meldt de BBC.

Zondag kwamen zeker twee strijders van Hezbollah om in Syri, aldus de oppositie tegen Assad. De rebellen beschuldigen Hezbollah ervan zich in de strijd te mengen tussen hen en de president.

Hezbollah heeft ontkend dat het strijders naar Syri heeft gestuurd om voor Assad te vechten. Hezbollah heeft nauwe banden met Iran en de Syrische regering.
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Unusually it appears the nearest country to Syria that uses this weapon is Sudan, with Malaysia, Cambodia, Peru, and Pakistan being other users. Not only is this the first foreign MANPADS recording in the conflict, but it really seems to have no business being anywhere near Syria, leaving some big questions with regards to it's source.
Interessant. Chinese wapens had ik niet verwacht. Het blijft ook gissen naar de bron, maar misschien via Pakistan. Maar omdat de gebruikers mij geen extremisten lijken, lijkt Libi logischer, die kunnen die wapens vast makkelijk uit Sudan halen. Goed nieuws in ieder geval, de luchmacht van Assad is al flink gedecimeerd en rebellen hebben nu ook intacte vliegtuigen in een recent veroverde luchtmachtbasis.


Het momentum licht nu heel duidelijk bij de rebellen.
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Interessant. Chinese wapens had ik niet verwacht. Het blijft ook gissen naar de bron, maar misschien via Pakistan. Maar omdat de gebruikers mij geen extremisten lijken, lijkt Libi logischer, die kunnen die wapens vast makkelijk uit Sudan halen. Goed nieuws in ieder geval, de luchmacht van Assad is al flink gedecimeerd en rebellen hebben nu ook intacte vliegtuigen in een recent veroverde luchtmachtbasis.

Intacte voertuigen? De meeste straaljagers in het filmpje lijken kapotgeschoten. En dan nog, wat moeten zij met die oude rommel? Er komt heel wat bij kijken om zoiets in de lucht te krijgen laat staan effectief operationeel te maken. Daar is flink wat kennis en materieel voor nodig. Het enige waar ze wat aan hebben is zijn de handwapens, munitie en wat trucks.
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Het momentum licht nu heel duidelijk bij de rebellen.
Volgens mij kan je al maanden niet meer van een overmacht spreken aan welke zijde dan ook. Beide partijen hebben elkaar vleugellam gemaakt. Het regime is zijn militaire slagkracht grotendeels kwijt en de rebellen hun basisbehoeften. Het komt er op neer dat iemand (een gecombineerd leger) nu wel gedwongen is om in te grijpen, anders lopen ze elkaar daar over 10 jaar nog met geweren achterna.
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Intacte voertuigen? De meeste straaljagers in het filmpje lijken kapotgeschoten.
Ja klopt, maar dat is niet het enige filmpje hoor :P Er zouden in totaal zo'n 10 moeten kunnen werken volgens activisten.

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En dan nog, wat moeten zij met die oude rommel? Er komt heel wat bij kijken om zoiets in de lucht te krijgen laat staan effectief operationeel te maken.
reserveonderdelen, gekwalificeerde piloten, reserveonderdelen, specialisten, geschikte landingsbanen etc. Maar wie weet. Mijn post was ook een beetje bedoelt om te laten zien wat voor blunders Assad's leger maakt. Intacte vliegtuigen achterlaten voor je vijanden is nooit een goed idee in mijn ogen :P

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Volgens mij kan je al maanden niet meer van een overmacht spreken aan welke zijde dan ook. Beide partijen hebben elkaar vleugellam gemaakt.
Naar mijn mening niet meer. De rebellen hebben toch wat overwinningen geboekt de laatste maanden. Veel militaire en luchtmachtbasissen veroverd, grootste dam dat de elektriciteit van Aleppo regelt, terreinwinst in vrijwel elke provincie, kleine delen van Damascus bezet, zijn luchtmacht is flink uitgedund, vliegtuigen zijn veel minder actief en effectief en zijn helikopters zijn zeldzaam geworden etc etc.

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Het regime is zijn militaire slagkracht grotendeels kwijt en de rebellen hun basisbehoeften.
Leg eens uit.

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Het komt er op neer dat iemand (een gecombineerd leger) nu wel gedwongen is om in te grijpen, anders lopen ze elkaar daar over 10 jaar nog met geweren achterna.
Mogelijk.
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Naar mijn mening niet meer. De rebellen hebben toch wat overwinningen geboekt de laatste maanden. Veel militaire en luchtmachtbasissen veroverd, grootste dam dat de elektriciteit van Aleppo regelt, terreinwinst in vrijwel elke provincie, kleine delen van Damascus bezet, zijn luchtmacht is flink uitgedund, vliegtuigen zijn veel minder actief en effectief en zijn helikopters zijn zeldzaam geworden etc etc.
Er wordt wel terreinwinst gemaakt ja, maar diegene die de winst tegenover het staatsleger bewerkstelligen zijn vaak niet eens Syrische burgers. Syri trekt momenteel van alle uithoeken jihadi's/salafisten/terroristen/etc aan. Het is een samengeraapt zootje aan het worden die elkaar straks ook nog gaat afmaken, dat gebeurd nu al soms. Het komt er op neer dat er niet echte effectieve winst wordt gemaakt door de oppostie, maar dat er vooral verlies wordt geleden door de regering. Rebellen kunnen nog zoveel terrein winnen, de controle is er niet dus van echte winst kan je niet spreken imo.
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Leg eens uit.
Het leger verliest aan manschappen en materieel. De rebellen en burgers kunnen steeds moeilijker aan basisbehoeften (eten/drinken/medicijnen/brandstof/elektrischiteit) komen.
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