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Doden bij aanslag in Syrië
quote:'President Assad is de duivel die we kennen'
Uit beduchtheid voor 'the devil you don't know' ontziet de wereld andermaal een Syrische president Assad.
Wie nog dacht dat de Syrische president Bashar al-Assad een minder hardvochtig heerser is dan zijn vader Hafez, die weet nu beter. Zondagochtend liet hij het leger de stad Hama binnentrekken, waarbij de tanks voluit vuurden. Het resultaat: minstens vijftig doden, honderden gewonden.
Er schuilt een tragische symboliek in het feit dat juist in Hama alle geweldsregisters werden opengetrokken. De naam van deze stad is voor altijd verbonden met de massaslachting die Assad senior er in 1982 liet aanrichten om een soennitische opstand de kop in te drukken. Berichten over wat er was gebeurd, drongen destijds pas geleidelijk door tot de buitenwereld, die er nauwelijks consequenties aan verbond: Assad was een belangrijke speler in het Midden-Oosten, hij was 'the devil you know'.
Dankzij de moderne communicatiemiddelen kunnen de gebeurtenissen in Syrië niet meer zo vergaand aan het oog worden onttrokken als vroeger. Maar de geslotenheid van het land maakt het nog steeds moeilijk precies te achterhalen wat er gaande is. En tot op zekere hoogte is Assad jr. net als zijn vader 'the devil you know': er is gebrekkig zicht op wat er allemaal gist onder de etnische en religieuze lappendeken die Syrië is.
Vandaar dat ook nu het internationale protest tegen het gewelddadig optreden van het bewind-Assad aan de behoedzame kant is gebleven. Maar Syrië is nu vier maanden in de greep van het geweld, het dodental ligt al boven de 1.500, niets wijst erop dat de oppositie zich het zwijgen laat opleggen, noch dat het bewind een ander antwoord heeft dan brute repressie. Het wordt steeds onzinniger om Assad nog te ontzien uit angst voor 'the devil you don't know'.
quote:Key events in Syria's protest movement:
Nov 12 - The Arab League gives Syria three days to end its violent crackdown on anti-government protesters and implement an Arab peace deal or face suspension from the regional body.
Nov 9 - Syrian protesters pelt four opposition leaders with eggs outside Arab League headquarters in Cairo, preventing them from entering the building for talks. The protesters were apparently against the men agreeing to a dialogue with the government.
The UN says country runs risk of Libyan-style civil war as troops desert to back protesters.
Nov 8 - The UN said "more than 60" people had died in the central city of Homs since the announcement of the Arab League ceasefire plan.
Nov 2 - The Syrian government accepts several measures suggested by the Arab League aimed at halting the violence in the country, including the removal of tanks and armoured vehicles from the streets, the release of prisoners, and allowing the Arab League and media access to report on the situation.
Nov 1 - NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen rules out the possibility of military intervention in Syria.
More at http://www.aljazeera.com/(...)111113440490791.html
quote:Tientallen doden door autobommen in Aleppo
Door drie aanslagen met autobommen zijn woensdag in de Syrische stad Aleppo zeker 27 doden gevallen en 72 gewonden. Dat meldden Syrische autoriteiten.
De bommen ontploften in het door het Syrische leger gecontroleerde westelijk deel van de stad. De slachtoffers zouden voornamelijk militairen zijn.
De ontploffingen waren op of rond het al-Ikhbariya plein. Op de televisie waren beelden van lichamen te zien die uit de puinhopen van een ingestort gebouw werden gehaald.
Aleppo, de grootste stad van Syrië, is al maanden de inzet van hevige gevechten tussen rebellen en het regeringsleger.
Meer erover:quote:40 killed in Aleppo blasts
At least 40 people were killed and 90 injured according to the British based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, citing medical sources in the city.
It reported four bomb attacks - three in the Saadallah al-Jabri Square and a fourth at the nearby Camber of Commerce, a few blocks to the south-east.
Most of the dead and wounded were soldiers from an offices club and a security branch that were targeted, it said in an email.
Gezien het feit dat het op Syrische staatsmedia en Al Manar wordt gedownplayed qua doden zal het inderdaad een gerichte aanslag zijn geweest op een compound waar Assad's soldaten verblijven. Wellicht weer met medeweten van zijn soldaten die in deze operatie hebben meegeholpen qua intelligence. Zoals vaker gebeurde bij eerdere grotere gerichte aanslagen.quote:Military club targeted
The blasts in Saadallah al-Jabri Square targeted a military club, an activist told al-Arabiya, writes Amel Guettatfi.
In a call to the broadcaster Abu Firas Al Halabi, a spokesperson for the Revolution council, said: "Three blasts at Saadallah al-Jabri Square located in the heart of Aleppo have occurred. These bombs targeted the soldiers' military club."
He also reports violent clashes between the Free Syrian Army and the regular army in different parts of Aleppo, notedly, Al Idhaa Street, al Arqoub Street.
And a battle around Aleppo international airport, he said
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights also claimed a military club was the target of the blasts (see earlier).
The Guardian
En laten we de "martelaar" van Hizbullah niet vergeten die omkwam in Syrie en gisteren in Libanon is begraven. Jihadisten komen nu ook vanaf deze kant Syrie binnen maar dan om Assad te helpen:
quote:Syria bomb blast kills Hezbollah operative
One of Hezbollah's most senior operatives has been killed in Syria and buried in his home village in Lebanon's Bekaa valley, the militant group has confirmed.
Ali Hussein Nassif, a founding member of the organisation, was killed near Homs over the weekend in what is believed to have been a roadside bomb explosion. A Lebanese government official confirmed on Tuesday that his body had been transferred from Syria through the Masnaa border crossing.
Media outlets loyal to Hezbollah, including al-Manar television and the moqawama.org website both carried stories acknowledging Nassif's death, which they said had happened as he "carried out his jihadi duties". The reports did not specify where he had been killed.
Officials in Nassif's home village of Buday suggested that seven other Hezbollah members had recently been wounded in Syria. A separate report claimed that a second Hezbollah member, Zain al-Abidin Mustafa had also been killed "while carring out his obligation". Senior party officials are reported to have traveled from Beirut to attend his funeral in the party's heartland of Baalbek.
The issue of Hezbollah members fighting in Syria has remained deeply sensitive since the earliest days of the uprising. For most of the past 18 months, the Shia Islamic group had steadfastly denied that its members were in action alongside Syrian forces, despite emphatic claims from rebel groups and opposition figures.
While openly acknowledging the party's support for the embattled regime of Syria's Bashar al-Assad, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah had claimed it had only leant moral backing. However, new graves in cemetaries in Lebanon designtated for members deemed to have died as martyrs have steadily been dug throughout the summer. There has also been reported discontent among family members who had lost relatives.
Until now, little fanfare, or even acknowledgement, had marked the burials and Tuesday's news reports, complete with photographs of Nassif's funeral procession, appear to mark a departure from a tactic of secrecy.
In August, officials in Iran — Hezbollah's key patron — also candidly admitted that members of the country's armed forces were deployed in Syria, where the Alawite sect — which is aligned to Shia Islam — is entwined with the power base. Other Iranian officials later denied the admissions.
Iran's Revolutionary Guards Corps, in particular the elite Quds Force unit, is a close ally of Hezbollah. Both are closely linked to the Assad regime. Syria, Iran and Hezbollah claim to act in unison as a resistance arc against Israel — the existence of which is Hezbollah's raison d'être.
However the group has, until now, been circumspect about its activities elsewhere. Hezbollah's presence in Syria potentially amplifies a sectarian dimension of the now raging civil war. The anti-regime insurgency is led by the country's Sunni Islamic majority.
A steadily increasing number of Sunni militant jihadists from outside Syria have also joined the fray since mid-July. The Assad regime has claimed since April 2011 that the popular uprising against it was an Islamist plot and has launched an evermore brutal crackdown against demonstrators and militias, which are composed largely of defectors from the regular military.
Some defectors have provided eyewitness accounts of Hezbollah members being deployed alonsgide them while they were still serving in the Syrian army.
Two defectors who spoke to the Guardian in August said they had seen the alleged Hezbollah operatives in Homs city and in the countryside near Qusayr, 15km from the Lebanese border.
"They were very open about who they were and why there were there," one of the men said iin the Turkish town of Reyhanli. "They said they were there for Jihad and to help Assad defeat the terrorists."
The Guardian
quote:Attack on Hezbollah commander 'planned for two weeks'
The Free Syrian Army had spent two weeks planning the attack the killed Hezbollah commander Ali Hussein Nassif, the Saudi newspaper Okaz says (in Arabic).
It quotes Colonel Riad al-Assaad of the FSA as saying:
"Members of the FSA ambushed [Abu Abbas] with an explosive device, which killed him and two of his bodyguards in the Homs area of Qusayr. They monitored the movements of [Abu Abbas] for days, until they managed to [kill] him while on his way to one of Hezbollah’s [offices in Syria]".
Meanwhile, Sky News Arabia, quoting unidentified opposition sources, says Syrian government forces "had to send reinforcements to remove bodies of Hizbollah elements, to remove any trace of their support for the Syrian government".
It adds: "These reinforcements consisted of aerial coverage done by an MiG plane and two helicopters as well as heavy bombing of the military checkpoint."
The Guardian
[ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door Aloulou op 03-10-2012 13:17:55 ]
Oorlog is de verderzetting van de politiek maar met andere middelen - Clausewitz
Ik denk dat Hizbalah veel sympathiek is kwijt geraakt in de Arabische wereld na de schande in Syrie.
All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers. ~François Fénelon
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Turkish news reports that at least 3 killed in border town of Acakele by Syrian mortar round - @JoeWSJ
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Turkish news reports that at least 3 killed in border town of Acakele by Syrian mortar round - @JoeWSJ
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Five killed as Syrian shell strikes Turkish town
ŞANLIURFA
Five people were killed and at least 13 were wounded Oct. 3, when at least three Syrian shells hit the Akçakale district of in the southeastern province of Şanlıurfa.
An urgent meeting was immediately set up between Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu and Foreign Ministry bureaucrats following the incident. Davutoğlu also spoke to the U.N.’s special envoy to Syria, Lakhdar Brahimi, in order to give the information.
Akçakale Mayor Abdülhakim Ayhan said the district’s inhabitants were staging an “uprising” after the incident, as it was the final straw for them. A number of Akçakale residents marched to the District Governor’s Office in order to protest the incidents, and the governor left his office in an armored vehicle, according to daily Hürriyet.
Five people, including four children and a woman were killed. Two of the wounded were policemen, reports said. All the wounded were transferred to hospitals.
Ayhan said the area had been living in fear for last 10 days, and that another bomb had exploded in the town yesterday morning. Justice and Development Party (AKP) Şanlıurfa Deputy Halil Özcan also said the residents of Akçakale had been living in fear for the last 15 days.
At least three shells hit three different points in Akçakale, another Turkish official said. “More serious steps could be taken by the Turkish government in order to protect its citizens after these events,” he added.
A correspondent in the region said the shell must have belonged to the Syrian army, as the Syrian rebels had no such weapons.
Turkish Foreign Minister Davutoğlu has also called the General Staff and the Şanlıurfa Governor in order to get more information about the incident.
There have been heavy clashes between the Syrian army forces and the rebels for the last 20 days on the Turkish border with Syria.
Turkey previously sent a diplomatic note to Syria over the mortar bomb that hit the southeastern province of Akçakale on Sept. 28.
"No one should doubt Turkey's defense capabilities," Davutoğlu said following the mortar bomb’s hitting of Akçakale on Sept. 29.
http://www.hurriyetdailyn(...)=31590&NewsCatID=341
ŞANLIURFA
Five people were killed and at least 13 were wounded Oct. 3, when at least three Syrian shells hit the Akçakale district of in the southeastern province of Şanlıurfa.
An urgent meeting was immediately set up between Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu and Foreign Ministry bureaucrats following the incident. Davutoğlu also spoke to the U.N.’s special envoy to Syria, Lakhdar Brahimi, in order to give the information.
Akçakale Mayor Abdülhakim Ayhan said the district’s inhabitants were staging an “uprising” after the incident, as it was the final straw for them. A number of Akçakale residents marched to the District Governor’s Office in order to protest the incidents, and the governor left his office in an armored vehicle, according to daily Hürriyet.
Five people, including four children and a woman were killed. Two of the wounded were policemen, reports said. All the wounded were transferred to hospitals.
Ayhan said the area had been living in fear for last 10 days, and that another bomb had exploded in the town yesterday morning. Justice and Development Party (AKP) Şanlıurfa Deputy Halil Özcan also said the residents of Akçakale had been living in fear for the last 15 days.
At least three shells hit three different points in Akçakale, another Turkish official said. “More serious steps could be taken by the Turkish government in order to protect its citizens after these events,” he added.
A correspondent in the region said the shell must have belonged to the Syrian army, as the Syrian rebels had no such weapons.
Turkish Foreign Minister Davutoğlu has also called the General Staff and the Şanlıurfa Governor in order to get more information about the incident.
There have been heavy clashes between the Syrian army forces and the rebels for the last 20 days on the Turkish border with Syria.
Turkey previously sent a diplomatic note to Syria over the mortar bomb that hit the southeastern province of Akçakale on Sept. 28.
"No one should doubt Turkey's defense capabilities," Davutoğlu said following the mortar bomb’s hitting of Akçakale on Sept. 29.
http://www.hurriyetdailyn(...)=31590&NewsCatID=341
Söylesem, tesiri yok; sussam gönül razı değil
Het is terechtkgekomen op een huis. Wel naar.
Maar goed in Syrië vallen helaas dagelijks een veelvoud aan doden.
Maar goed in Syrië vallen helaas dagelijks een veelvoud aan doden.
Gewoon even logisch nadenken, wie heeft belang bij turkse inmenging?
Juist, de rebellen! Dus wie zou die mortier granaat over de grens geschoten hebben?
Juist, de rebellen! Dus wie zou die mortier granaat over de grens geschoten hebben?
Wie is "ze"?quote:Op woensdag 3 oktober 2012 17:34 schreef delapoko het volgende:
Het lijkt wel of ze Turkije expres in de oorlog willen betrekken.
Stond er een afzender op die granaat?
Turkije doet haar uiterste best om er uit te blijven, niet?quote:
Het lijkt wel of ze Turkije expres in de oorlog willen betrekken.
Reuters Top News@Reuters
TURKEY SAYS HAS STRUCK TARGETS IN SYRIA IN RESPONSE TO MORTAR STRIKE ACROSS BORDER - STATEMENT FROM PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE
Kan iemand even vertellen wat dit betekend?
TURKEY SAYS HAS STRUCK TARGETS IN SYRIA IN RESPONSE TO MORTAR STRIKE ACROSS BORDER - STATEMENT FROM PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE
Kan iemand even vertellen wat dit betekend?
Dat ze waarschijnlijk met artillerie wat Syrische doelen hebben bestookt.quote:
Reuters Top News@Reuters
TURKEY SAYS HAS STRUCK TARGETS IN SYRIA IN RESPONSE TO MORTAR STRIKE ACROSS BORDER - STATEMENT FROM PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE
Kan iemand even vertellen wat dit betekend?
Al Jazeera en Reuters zegt het ook btw. Turkije heeft gereageerd.
AJELive BREAKING: #Turkish armed forces responded with artillery attacks against #Syria in response to mortar strike. More soon...
Ja. Een aanval op een NAVO lidstaat is een aanval op de NAVO. Turkije heeft de NAVO gevraagd om nu ook in te grijpen.quote:
Verdenk mij niet van WW3 theorieen, maar moet de NAVO niet ingrijpen nu?
WW3 is wat overdreven denk ik, maar als de NAVO het verzoek accepteert dan komt het wel dichtbij (dichtbij is nog geen WW3 he).
NATO ambassadors to meet under NATO Article 4, for consultations when a member state feels territorial integrity under threat - NATO official
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Het is dat er nu voetbal op TV is. 
Maar Turkije mag nu officieel ingrijpen zonder gezeur van andere landen. 
En er is een verschil tussen ingrijpen en een vergeldingsactie.
Het gaat hier trouwens om een aanval op locaties die behoren tot de Syrische Bashar Leger.
Maar Turkije mag nu officieel ingrijpen zonder gezeur van andere landen. En er is een verschil tussen ingrijpen en een vergeldingsactie. Het gaat hier trouwens om een aanval op locaties die behoren tot de Syrische Bashar Leger.
All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers. ~François Fénelon
ik voorspeel eer deze dagen een artikel 5 claimquote:
NATO ambassadors to meet under NATO Article 4, for consultations when a member state feels territorial integrity under threat - NATO official
...en de koffie is bruin.quote:
Op [conspiracymodus]
Die mortier uit Syrië kwam eigenlijk uit Frankrijk, ze ensceneren een grensconflict om de NATO er in te rommelen zonder VN-mandaat.
[/conspiracymodus]
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De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
Sander van Hoorn@svhoorn
Navo vergadert en Turkije lijkt troepen naar de grens te trekken. Reactie op mortierbeschieting of voorbereiding op meer?
Navo vergadert en Turkije lijkt troepen naar de grens te trekken. Reactie op mortierbeschieting of voorbereiding op meer?
bron ?quote:
Sander van Hoorn@svhoorn
Navo vergadert en Turkije lijkt troepen naar de grens te trekken. Reactie op mortierbeschieting of voorbereiding op meer?
