quote:Hammad told federal authorities that he was working on the sprinklers six days before the twin towers were brought down by terrorists, court testimony revealed this week.
http://whatreallyhappened(...)Hammad_WTC_9-11.html
quote:8. We know that the sprinkler systems were activated because survivors reported water in the stairwells. If the sprinklers were working, how could there be a 'raging inferno' in the WTC towers?
Both the NIST calculations and interviews with survivors and firefighters indicated that the aircraft impacts severed the water pipes that carried the water to the sprinkler systems. The sprinklers were not operating on the principal fire floors.
However, there were ample sources of the water in the stairwells. The water pipes ran vertically within the stairwells. Moreover, there would have been copious water from the broken restroom supply lines and from the water tanks that supplied the initial water for the sprinklers. Thus, it is not surprising that evacuating occupants encountered a lot of water.
Even if the automatic sprinklers had been operational, the sprinkler systems—which were installed in accordance with the prevailing fire safety code—were designed to suppress a fire that covered as much as 1,500 square feet on a given floor. This amount of coverage is capable of controlling almost all fires that are likely to occur in an office building. On Sept. 11, 2001, the jet-fuel ignited fires quickly spread over most of the 40,000 square feet on several floors in each tower. This created infernos that could not have been suppressed even by an undamaged sprinkler system, much less one that had been appreciably degraded.
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/nist/WTC_FAQ_reply.html
Ik ga er vanuit dat er wel vliegtuigen zijn geweest, alleen dat niet alle beelden laten zien wat zich daadwerkelijk afspeelde. Alsnog zouden sommige 'vliegtuigen' ook kruisraketten kunnen zijn geweest. Het verklaart wel flink wat tegenstrijdigheden.quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 20:13 schreef theguyver het volgende:
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maar goed ik moet dus na al die berichten het volgende samenvatten.
• geen vliegtuigen ( pentagon geen vliegtuig kan ik inkomen maar wtc..)
Er zijn zeker doden gevallen, alleen is het aantal twijfelachtig. 2-3500?quote:• geen slachtoffers nah daar kan ik dus niet inkomen... brandweer mannen agenten hulpverleners en mensen die toen aan werk waren + mensen in vliegtuig.
Wat voor vliegtuig? Welk van de twee? Was het wel een vliegtuig? Vragen die redelijk twijfelachtige antwoorden opleveren in het licht van de nepbeelden her en der.quote:• van de 8.000.000 inwoners heeft niemand daadwerkelijk een vliegtuig gezien.
Tussen geen en alle zit een heel groot grijs gebied.quote:• alle camera beelden zijn gemanipuleerd ook die van amateur opnames
Feit. De Amerikaanse media lieten slechts een enkele keer de springers zien. Het gros van de beelden van springers komt van de BBC.quote:• live verslag is bewerkt
Geen idee.quote:• niemand is gesprongen gevallen
Overdrijf niet zo, joh.quote:• New York heeft bestaat alleen maar uit acteurs
Dat verbaast je? Je weet waarom Hollywood is opgericht? De rol die de media speelt in het Amerikaans maatschappelijk klimaat? Heel de wereld kijkt continu naar Hollywood-producties, zoals bedoeld was.quote:de hele wereld heeft naar 1 grote hollywood productie gekeken
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Ik ga er vanuit dat er wel vliegtuigen zijn geweest, alleen dat niet alle beelden laten zien wat zich daadwerkelijk afspeelde. Alsnog zouden sommige 'vliegtuigen' ook kruisraketten kunnen zijn geweest. Het verklaart wel flink wat tegenstrijdigheden.
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Er zijn zeker doden gevallen, alleen is het aantal twijfelachtig. 2-3500? eens doet me beetje denken aan Enschede ramp hoeveel daar precies zijn omgekomen is ook nog niet duidelijk
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Wat voor vliegtuig? Welk van de twee? Was het wel een vliegtuig? Vragen die redelijk twijfelachtige antwoorden opleveren in het licht van de nepbeelden her en der. eens ik heb mijn twijfels of het inderdaad een passagiers vliegtuig was
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Tussen geen en alle zit een heel groot grijs gebied.onzeker
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Feit. De Amerikaanse media lieten slechts een enkele keer de springers zien. Het gros van de beelden van springers komt van de BBC. oneens ben niet helemaal zeker maar veel opnames waren van de grond.. stad vol toeristen amateur opnames
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Dat verbaast je? Je weet waarom Hollywood is opgericht? De rol die de media speelt in het Amerikaans maatschappelijk klimaat? Heel de wereld kijkt continu naar Hollywood-producties, zoals bedoeld was.sommige dingen blurry gemaakt maar volledig bewerkt![]()
Yup. En ook dat is maar een handjevol.quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 20:34 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
Hoe kom je er bij dat er veel amateuropnamen zijn waarop de vliegtuigen te zien zijn? Als jij ze kunt vinden, dan slaag je in iets wat niemand tot op de dag van vandaag is gelukt. Nagenoeg alle beelden komen van (semi) professionals.
Dus hebben ze de niet commerciële vliegtuigen op de beelden vervangen door commerciële?quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 20:32 schreef Blue_Panther_Ninja het volgende:
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Er waren wel vliegtuigen,maar niet commerciële
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Dus hebben ze de niet commerciële vliegtuigen op de beelden vervangen door commerciële?
En wat is er dan met de passagiers gebeurd die in de commerciële vliegtuigen gezeten zouden hebben?
Geen ideequote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 21:03 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
van die 3000 doden, hoeveel waren er echt en hoeveel vicsims?
Thanks. Goede tekst wel.quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 20:54 schreef Blue_Panther_Ninja het volgende:
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je antwoord
aan het kijken
Als je erop vertrouwt dat de gasten daadwerkelijk familie is van de overledenen wel ja. Of dat iedereen op komt dagen. Of...quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 21:15 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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dat zou toch via een 9/11 reünie uit te rekenen moeten zijn?
Illuminati Productiequote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 20:13 schreef theguyver het volgende:
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maar goed ik moet dus na al die berichten het volgende samenvatten.
• geen vliegtuigen ( pentagon geen vliegtuig kan ik inkomen maar wtc..)
Hologrammen
• geen slachtoffers nah daar kan ik dus niet inkomen... brandweer mannen agenten hulpverleners en mensen die toen aan werk waren + mensen in vliegtuig.
Er zijn wel mensen dood gegaan, zeker hulpverleners ook mensen die er uit sprongen. de vliegtuig doden zijn vast op moment van kaping ergens over de oceaan eruit gegooid
• van de 8.000.000 inwoners heeft niemand daadwerkelijk een vliegtuig gezien.
Jawel, maar het waren hologrammen
• alle camera beelden zijn gemanipuleerd ook die van amateur opnames
ze willen je laten denken dat he amateur opnamens zijn.
• live verslag is bewerkt
TUURLIJK
• niemand is gesprongen gevallen
Jawel?
• New York heeft bestaat alleen maar uit acteurs
Je hebt alleen new york via beelden gezien, tuurlijk zaten daar acteurs in.
de hele wereld heeft naar 1 grote hollywood productie gekeken
quote:ALLEGED AUTHORS OF 9/11 AMATEUR SHOTS (on public record):
DEVIN CLARK
computer graphics animator. Clients: Comedy Central, MTV, TCM and HBO.
EVAN FAIRBANKS
On 9/11, worked for KSK VIDEO STUDIOS, New York City: Creative programming solutions for television, interactive and multimedia. Photographer with world renowned Magnum agency.
LUC COURCHESNE
3D visual arts expert. Inventor of Panoscope360, a sophisticated 3-D installation which simulates alternative life experiences.
SCOTT MYERS
ABC TV video technician. 3-D motion expert and software designer. Clients: ABC and US NAVY.
CLIFTON CLOUD
Events manager at Scharff Weisberg, Inc., a NYC-based video production company, whose slogan reads: Whether you're looking to dazzle the ears, mind or eyes, we've got the latest equipment and the expertise to make it work for you.
JENNIFER SPELL
Director/founder with SPELLBOUND pictures. Independent television producer.
NAUDET BROTHERS JULES AND GEDEON
Emmy award-winning filmmakers. Caught 1st and 2nd airplanes and 'WTC7 collapse on film.
NAKA NATHANIEL
Multimedia journalist at New York Times. Specializes in desktop virtual news. Embedded with US military in war zones.
KELLY GUENTHER
Pulitzer Prize winning photo-journalist whose work has appeared in The New York Times, Time, Newsweek.
GULNARA SAMOILOVA
Worked for 9 years as photo retoucher (in her own words) for the Associated Press. Award winning 9/11 photographer.
THOMAS NILSSON
Swedish photojournalist in New York City. Works for Norwegian populistic tabloid VG.
ROBERT CLARK
National Geographic photographer based in New York City. Works with the world's leading magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, French Geo, Vanity Fair, Stern, Der Spiegel.
MOSHE BURSUKER
BFA degree in sculpture and photography from the Hartford Art School at the University of Hartford.
SEAN ADAIR
Founder of ADAIR film & Video productions. Consultant in digital media and visual effects.
ROB HOWARD
Professional award-winning photographer.
KATHY CACICEDO
Professional photographer.
DAVID HANDSCHUH
Photojournalist for New York Daily News. Took picture of South Tower exploding right underneath it. No plane is seen in picture. He says he did not see any plane.
http://www.septemberclues.info/faq_2.htm
De lijst is nog veel langer:quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 21:45 schreef Gray het volgende:
Hoe in de loop van 7/8 jaar na dato de 45(!) 'amateurbeelden' zijn opgedoken:
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quote:I didn't even know this guy Richard Drew was also called in for the assassination of Robert Kennedy like the OP posted about him. A professional photographer being at a major "untimed" event right before it happened one time in his life would be hitting lotto but this guy ends up at 2? Dont know any info on him but that's probably a minimum of 2 if you looked at his resume. That's the opposite of a coincidence. That's an assignment or job.
quote:Allow me to play devil's advocate don't you think that most photographers (especially with nothing to do) in the world are centered in NYC? It "could" have been fate for some of the photogs to be in the area. NYC is the home of B&H Photo, the world's photography mega store, hell, if I worked there I would steal the best camera I could get my hands on and run down there and worry about the consequences later... but im crazy...
But yea, I agree, too many of these guys and gals have past connections to events where they were in the right place at the right time, and again on 9/11? And the angles, the elaborate stories...
But honestly I don't believe the coincidences... I have pictures from that day too but being someone on "the outside" of the plot, I sure as shit was not in the right place at the right time to get these types of photos, only getting pictures of the aftermath... like... it was over very quickly when thinking about it in retrospect... how did these people with such good equipment be there within minutes, literally?
Very good post and research.
Thank you.
Het was een heel klein circuit aan 'getuigen' en beelden die in de media verschenen zijn. Zelfs de zogenaamde live-beelden van nieuwszenders die aan sterke competitie zouden doen komen allemaal uit dezelfde poel. Daarom raad ik critici nogmaals aan om dit te bekijken:quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 21:57 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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De lijst is nog veel langer:
http://letsrollforums.com(...)-t25489.html?t=25489
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BILL BIGGARTquote:Sean Adair has been shooting film and video for over 15 years, and still photography for over 25 years. Born in NYC, educated in New Zealand, and with travel to over 40 countries under his belt, he brings a wealth of experience to every shoot. Producing educational material, documentary, and art films, he is also a hands on director, editor and cinematographer.
His camerawork can be seen in the "Beef" video series, 16mm feature release documentary “Rhyme and Reason”, NBC’s Emmy award winning special “Mystery of the Sphinx”, and hundreds of commercials, documentaries and corporate videos.
Sean's art and journalistic photography have been published internationally, and he also serves as a consultant for many firms in the arcane arts of developing interactive digital media and visual effects.
Source: http://www.adairproductions.com/bio.html
MOSHE BURSUKERquote:Larger than life
The path that eventually led Bill to the World Trade Center the morning of 9/11 took him through Northern Ireland, the Middle East, Berlin, and deep into the heart of racism in his own country. He never stopped moving until the end.
As a spot news photographer, Bill chose to cover stories that most interested him, not the ones an editor selected. He focused on presenting the minority side – the Palestinians in the Middle East, the Catholic/IRA “troubles” in Ireland, and the issues of natives, blacks and gays in America.
Bill was born in Berlin in 1947, the pacifist son of a conservative Army officer. Raised in a rambunctious family of 12 children, Bill grew up learning to express his opinion - loudly and demonstrably if needed. Politics was often a heated topic of conversation and it affected his life at an early age. His family was forced to leave Berlin on one of the last trains before the Berlin Wall was erected.
In New York, Bill worked as a commercial photographer, while also pursuing his passion for photojournalism. In 1973, he went to Wounded Knee to cover the American Indian protest movement. He somehow got past the FBI perimeter and was captured by the besieged protestors who assumed he was a federal agent. His gift for gab got him released, but some of his film was confiscated.
In 1985, Bill received his first press card and immediately closed his studio. He left commercial photography behind and entered the world of black and white photojournalism. He hated color and only came back to it when he grudgingly accepted digital photography methods.
Over the years following, Bill photographed racism in New York, the KKK in the South, the Palestinian uprising and refugee camps in Israel, the life of people in Northern Ireland, and the fall of the Berlin Wall. He was one of the first members of a cooperative photo agency, Impact Visuals, which was devoted to issues of social change and alternative news.
Aside from photography, Bill loved gardening, planting street trees in New York, sailing his boat, listening to Yankee games with his sons, and living in the center of what he considered the greatest city on earth. He died there at the age of 54. A life fully, fiercely and passionately lived.
Bill is survived by his wife, Wendy Doremus, and three children – Bill Jr., Kate and Peter
Source: http://www.billbiggart.com/about.html
KATHY CACICEDOquote:Moshe Bursuker received his BFA degree in sculpture and photography from the Hartford Art School at the University of Hartford. It was there when he first began working with glass. After leaving Hartford, Moshe continued to pursue his artistic endeavors as a glass artist. He attended Urban Glass, Pilchuck Glass School and the Studio at the Corning Museum of Glass, where he has worked with world's renowned glass artists.
Source: http://www.moshebursuker.com/bio.php
CHRISTOPHER CASCIANOquote:Kathy Cacicedo has worked for non profits to Fortune 500 companies for the past 15 years. She has been lucky enough to be able to combine her talents in graphic design and photography on many "soup to nuts" projects... developing a company identity, designing all printed and online materials, incorporating her photography into the entire package and most recently being able to provide film and video to accompany the entire package should the client desire.
As a photographer Kathy Cacicedo gained international attention and the 2002 NY Art Directors Club Merit Award for her historic photo of Flight 175 seconds before it's impact on the World Trade Center, as well as Best Feature Photo from the Syracuse Press Club for her photo of "The morning After" - September 12
As a designer she won the 2002 Bronze Award for Website Design from the Art Directors Club of New Jersey for the website of latin music group CTO..
Finally making the jump to film and video, in 2002 she formed her own production company -BuenaOnda Pictures. One of BuenaOnda's first projects - a music video for latin group CTO "Prendele la Mecha" won the BEST MUSIC VIDEO award at the Garden State Film Festival and the NY International Film Festival.
In 2006 she was honored with the first annual "Shooting Star" award from the Garden State Film Festival where VAN VORST PARK starring Frank Vincent (Sopranos), directed by Cacicedo won the BEST HOMEGROWN SHORT.
Kathy wears "alot of hats"...including being manager of latin music sensation Los Mamboteros. You never know where she will be ...shooting photos- designing SOMETHING or out there working on her next film project - a documentary on Harvey Averne - winner of the first grammy for latin music....when she needs a break you will find her dropping in on an Australian in Puerto Rico at Domes on her flourescent green boogie board.
She lives happily behind the statue - with Hollywood Riley.
Source: http://www.kcphotographer.com/pagemainabout.html
ROBERT CLARKquote:Be it comics, film, illustration or animation Devin Clark has a passion for telling stories, and the stranger the better. Devin has been involved with a broad range of projects including work for HBO, MTV, Comedy Central, TCM, and The Cartoon Network applying his design and narrative skills to everything from network graphics to traditional cartoons. His films and animation have been featured in Stash Magazine, Animation Block Party, Rooftop Films, Ottawa Film Festival, Platform, and BDA. He is presently acting as producer/director on his original animated TV series, Ugly Americans, for Comedy Central.
CLIFTON CLOUDquote:Based in New York City, Robert Clark is a freelance photographer known for his innovation. He works with some of the world's leading magazines and publishing houses and on cutting-edge advertising campaigns.
Early in his career, Clark left the comfort and familiarity of newspapers to join H. G. "Buzz" Bissenger, author of Friday Night Lights, in documenting the lives of high-school football players and devotion to the game in Odessa, Texas. Bissenger's best-selling book was later made into a major motion picture as well as an NBC television series.
In 2003, an assignment with the Museum of Fine Arts, Houston, took Clark back to Texas to capture the first year of a new NFL team, the Houston Texans. The documentary and portraiture project resulted in one of the museum's most popular exhibits and the publication of a collectable, black-and-white photo book, First Down Houston: Birth of an NFL Franchise.
Clark was commissioned by Sony Ericsson to travel the United States for 50 days to document the beauty and diversity of America with only a cell-phone camera. This unique ad campaign, which was Clark's brainchild, generated a tremendous amount of coverage in major newspapers and on TV news programs. American Photo also featured each leg of his trip on the Web. His book about the assignment, Image America, developed into a gallery exhibit in New York City and became the first ever published photography book using cell-phone camera images.
Clark's work has won numerous awards. His coverage of the attack on the World Trade Center, witnessed from his rooftop in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn, was recognized at the World Press Photo awards in Amsterdam. He also received a National Magazine Award for "Best Essay" for his National Geographic cover article, "Was Darwin Wrong?"
His photographs have graced some 40 book covers and more than a dozen National Geographic covers. His work has appeared in numerous publications, including Time, Sports Illustrated, GEO, Vanity Fair, Stern, and Der Spiegel.
Currently involved in a variety of projects, Clark continues his association with National Geographic and is working on a book documenting the birth of the science of evolution. He lives in Brooklyn, New York, with his wife, Lai Ling.
Source: www.robertclarkphoto.com
LUKE CREMINquote:Luc Courchesne took part in the emergence of media arts thirty years ago when, as a video artist inspired by a generation of experimental filmmakers such as Michael Snow and Hollis Frampton, he adopted computer technologies. First delving into interactive portraiture, a great artistic tradition re-articulated in a new mould, his work has recently turned to another important genre, that of landscape. With his installations, "panoscopic" images, and a device of his own making used to create a sense of visual immersion, he transforms spectators into a visitors, actors and inhabitants of his experiential crafts.
Born 1952 in Québec, Courchesne received a Bachelor's degree from the Nova Scotia College of Art and Design, Halifax (1974), and a Master of Science in Visual Studies from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge (1984). He began his explorations in interactive video in 1984 when he co-authored Elastic Movies, one of the earliest experiments in the field, and since produced about 30 installation works and image series including Encyclopedia Chiaroscuro (1987), Portrait One (1990), Family Portrait (1993), Hall of Shadows (1996), Landscape One (1997), Passages (1998.), Rendez-vous... (1999), Panoscopic Journal (1999), Panoscope 360° (2000), The Visitor: Living by Numbers (2001), Untitled (2004), Where are you? (2005), Horizons (2007), the Shores Series (2008.) and Icons (2009) in a co-creation with artist and choreographer Marie Chouinard.
His work is part of major collections in North America, Europe and Asia and has been shown extensively in galleries and museums worldwide including: Sydney's Art Gallery of New South Wales, New York's Museum of Modern Art, Tokyo's InterCommunication Center (ICC), Paris' La Villette, Karlsruhe's ZKM/Medienmuseum, Montreal?s Musée d'art contemporain, the National Gallery of Canada, Barcelona?s Fundacion La Caixa and Beijing?s National Art Museum of China.
Based in Montreal, Luc Courchesne is professor of design at Université de Montréal, founding member of the Society for Art and Technology [SAT], board member of the Conseil des arts et des lettres du Québec and member of the Royal Canadian Academy of Arts. He is represented by the galery Pierre-François Ouellette art contemporain in Montreal and by the Bryce Wolkowitz Gallery in New York.
Source: http://courchel.net/
RICHARD DREWquote:Luke Cremin — amateur photographer
"This image just prior to the plane impact with the South tower still, a year later, puts a shiver down my spine. Image taken from Atlantic Basin due South of the site of the WTC."
Contributor's location on 9/11: Brooklyn, New York
Cite as: Luke Cremin, Image #1200, The September 11 Digital Archive, 10 September 2002, http://911digitalarchive.org/images/details/1200
CHIP EASTquote:Richard Drew is an Associated Press photo-journalist, perhaps most notable for his photo The Falling Man which depicts a man falling from the World Trade Center towers following the September 11, 2001 attacks. A British documentary "The Falling Man" about the photo premiered on the Discovery Times channel on September 10, 2007.
Drew was one of four press photographers present at the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy.[1] Drew has been an Associated Press photographer for 40 years, and lives with his wife and two daughters in New York City.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard...hotographer%29
ARISTIDE ECONOMOPOULOSquote:Photojournalist Chip East has been focusing on news, features and documentary projects for 20 years. He has taken pictures across the United States and throughout the Middle East, Europe and Latin America for an array of clients. Based in New York for more than a decade, he currently works largely for the international news agency Reuters, concentrating on breaking news.
Source: http://www.chipeast.com/
quote:My name is Robert. I was having breakfast at
Joe Junior's in the West Village when a crowd starting to form outside. In
short order, we learned the World Trade had suffered some catastrophe.
After taking a look at the black gash in the facade of the building, I
abandoned breakfast and ran to my apartment across the street and grabbed my
camera. It was loaded and ready (I'd just gotton back from Florida
several days before).
I snapped a few pictures and saw the second plane in my viewfinder. I
snapped it instinctively. I had no idea it was going to hit the south tower.
quote:My camera was trained on the towers when the second plane
came into view. The picture I took of the airplane should be in the repository.
As viewed from the north, the plane appeared to vanish. When the building
erupted in flame, I still had this "disconnect" in my mind and at first
refused to believe the plane I'd just seen hit the building. After a few
seconds when the sound wave reached us, it was fairly clear that was what
happened.
RUTH FREMSONquote:After my first shot of the fireball, I was frozen like I was in a trance.
Everything seemed to be happening in slow motion.
When the sound wave reached us (it sounded just like in the movies,
only not so loud---then again, I was probably 2 miles away)....it
brought me back to reality and I snapped this picture.
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I was in Flushing, Queens, taking photographs at polling places for the primary election that day. When I was paged I drove behind a caravan of at least 10 emergency vehicles to the vicinity of the World Trade Center, where the police indicated that I should park a couple of blocks away. I did, on Church Street.
I walked to the corner of Vesey and Church Streets and photographed some of the wounded.
Across the street, police and emergency workers were evacuating a building. The towers were burning, the smoke billowing. Suddenly, I heard a loud noise and thought another plane was going to hit the towers. I looked up, trying to photograph the building, and realized it was imploding.
People were running and screaming, and when I saw emergency personnel also running I ran with them. I heard a loud rumbling and followed a man who rolled under a Police Department truck.
All of a sudden, we were engulfed by a tidal wave of black dust and chunks of rocklike particles. I held onto the arm of a man under there with me, not realizing he was a police officer. I opened my eyes but couldn’t see anything. Everything was completely black. My eyes were burning. I couldn’t breathe, and I wondered for a second if this was what death was like.
The officer asked if I was O.K. I said yes. We heard glass breaking nearby and heard someone yelling “hello.” He was calling us to come into the Stage Door Deli maybe 10 feet away from where we were. The officer, Dan Mullin, grabbed my hand and pulled me in there. Inside were some firefighters completely covered in white ash, an elderly man with an accent and a cap and a man in a business suit, who stumbled in with a younger woman. They were O.K. A young woman was very frightened and near tears. One woman, an emergency worker, was just standing, stunned. Some of the firefighters passed out water, and it was first a man, then a woman calling for Pete, the owner.
But there was no one who worked in the store, only us, helping ourselves to his water and napkins to wipe ourselves off, spitting water on the floor. We used the phone, too, taking turns.
I saw firefighters walking through the ash and dust that clouded the air and then saw some police officers with shotguns. As the cloud slowly cleared we could see one tower standing. A chilling sight. A bit later we heard the rumbling again. And then it began to get dark outside again.
We all ran to the back of the deli and down some steps into the basement, where we waited.
When smoke started coming up from the basement, we decided to leave. One of the emergency personnel gave us wet rags to breathe through.
Just south of City Hall everything was covered with ash. Black smoke was billowing behind a church, and it looked as if only emergency personnel and journalists were there. The sun was shining through the dust over the Brooklyn Bridge, which carried an exodus of people across it toward the sunshine. Some looked back; others were crying, and others were stunned.
I saw two fashionable women, wearing matching blue towels draped over their heads, walking their matching dogs over the bridge.
Today we are publishing a handful of personal accounts by journalists who covered the Sept. 11 attacks for The Times. This one was originally published Sunday, Sept. 16, 2001.
Source: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...age-door-deli/
DON HALASYquote:Kelly is a Pulitzer Prize winning photojournalist who now runs a successful wedding/events studio in NYC. We capture the true spirit of the wedding day. http://www.nycweddingphotographer.com
Source: http://twitter.com/#!/guentherphoto
ROB HOWARDquote:"New York Daily News staff photographer David Handschuh was photographing the World Trade Centers while they were under attack. He was badly injured from falling debris. Fortunately, he survived, with some of his pictures being published in the Daily News. In this interview by Susan Markisz and Dirck Halstead, David gives a vivid account of his experience."
Source: http://digitaljournalist.org/issue01..._handschuh.htm
JUSTIN LANEquote:While studying comparative literature and philosophy at the University of Toronto,
Rob purchased his first camera in a pawnshop and started photographing fashion models.
Within a year, he had moved to Sydney to develop his career under the hot Australian sun.
A move to Paris followed where Rob received a prestigious commission to photograph
the royal family of Morocco. That experience broadened his focus to include portraiture
and travel photography. Shortly thereafter, he was assigned to go to Tibet, Borneo and
northern India where he met and photographed the Dalai Lama over a three-week period.
Rob then relocated to New York City where magazine and advertising assignments
quickly followed.
Rob is recognized for his heroic portraits, energetic lifestyle shots and epic travel
adventures. His work has been honored by American Photography and Communication
Arts. He is also on the masthead of Condé Nast Traveler.
Rob lives between New York City and the Catskills with his wife, Lisa.
Source: http://www.robhowardphoto.com/gallery/delaware-county
CATHERINE LEUTHOLDquote:Whether he is photographing the war in Afghanistan, chronicling the ravages of pollution in China or delighting in the Olympics in Sydney, Nagano or Beijing, Chang W. Lee takes lyrical and poetic pictures. He believes that everyone has a story to tell and that every story, no matter how painful, contains beauty.
"Someone shares his story with me," Mr. Lee said, "then it becomes my story. Then it becomes your story. Then it is history."
Starting as an intern at The New York Times in 1994, he has developed a unique photographic style that combines an impeccable sense of light with complicated composition and surprising juxtapositions.
Mr. Lee was a member of the teams that won the Pulitzer Prizes for photography in 2002: one for Breaking News Photography for coverage of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and the other for Feature Photography for documenting the pain and perseverance of people enduring protracted conflict in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Mr. Lee was also among the New York Times journalists who won the 2008 Grantham Prize for "Choking on Growth," a series that examined the effects of industrialization on the Chinese environment. In addition, he has won numerous awards in prestigious photographic competitions such as Pictures of the Year (POYI), the Best of Photojournalism (BOPJ) and the New York Press Photographers (NYPPA) annual contest.
Born in Pusan, Korea, in 1968, Mr. Lee came to the United States in 1986 and graduated from New York University's Tisch School of the Arts with a Bachelor of Fine Arts in 1993.
He is married to the graphic designer, Seolbin Park, with whom he has a son, Gio.
Source: http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/ref...lee/index.html
SEYMOUR LEVYquote:There are many unreal moments. At 9:50 am I stand in disbelief as the south tower collapses in front of my lens. It sounds like a jet taking off. I move slowly away towards the street when a huge grey cloud filled with debris slams into me and I almost fall. Watching it through my camera, I steal four frames, that I see later are a gray cloud with parts of a police car, a man running in front of it, and a blue police barricade. And then just nothing but suffocating blackness, muffled screams, moans, an "Oh my God", and my quiet terror.
I felt like I was being buried alive. I couldn't breath or see. I think, ahhh shit, this is it. But it isn't. I reach out and find a corner of marble of a wall in front of me and pull myself around it. I pull my shirt over my mouth and keep my eyes closed. I start talking, saying my name and that I'm a photographer over and over to keep the fear back. I ask if anyone is near me. Then arms and a voice find me and we talk quickly. I ask him who he is, what does he do, anything. I will always remember his voice, but I can't remember his name. That bothers me. There is no sense of time in this place, we hear a shout "Over here...a door." We struggle to find it in the blackness, and then there is a yellow light.
I see a ghostly face, a man wearing a Yarmulke, he pulls us into a computer shop. A woman screams her partner is still out there. The man has locked the door and I yell at him to open it. No one should be out there. There is no anwser outside, and I start taking pictures again.
Source: http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0110/voices06.htm
quote:Karim Raoul was born in 1978 and grew up in Nyack, New York. The son of a documentary filmmaker, he spent much of his childhood traveling throughout the world discovering new people and cultures. These experiences had a profound effect on his decision to attempt to capture the spirit of the world's ordinary peoples in their struggle to survive consequence and injustice.
Raoul later went on to study filmmaking at New York University where in addition to his studies, he worked as a cameraman on documentaries, narrative films, music videos and commercials. He was also a butcher and a cook, and in 2000 at the age of 21, opened his own multimedia restaurant.
During his experiences on Sept 11 he was once again touched by the the ordinary New Yorker in extraordinary circumstances. Raoul began taking photographs of the hidden life of everyday. He also continued to work as a cameraman and directed several of his own award winning short films.
In 2004, he became a key figure in setting up an international section of a film school in Paris, France and worked on over 60 short films. Continuing to take photographs on the streets of Paris, he matured in the technical craft of the still image and began selling his photographs to local publications.
Driven by a new found passion for photography, Raoul is now back in New York City in hopes of becoming a photojournalist.
http://karimraoulimages.com/karimrao...ite/index.html
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1760849/
http://www.fandango.com/karimraoul/filmography/p558402
ANDREA MOHINquote:I am a staff photographer with the NY Daily News for 10 years, adjunct professor at City Tech, City University of NY, chairman of Region 2 National Press Photographers Association and an active member in NY Press Photographers Association. I've been photographer, journalist and editor for 26 years. I am an alumni of NYU.
Source: http://www.plaxo.com/profile/show/64...4173d7f30d40d9
SUSAN MEISELASquote:Steve McCurry, recognized universally as one of today’s finest image-makers, has won many of photography’s top awards. Best known for his evocative color photography, McCurry, in the finest documentary tradition, captures the essence of human struggle and joy. Member of Magnum Photos since 1986, McCurry has searched and found the unforgettable; many of his images have become modern icons. Born in Philadelphia, McCurry graduated cum laude from the College of Arts and Architecture at the Pennsylvania State University. After working at a newspaper for two years, he left for India to freelance. It was in India that McCurry learned to watch and wait on life. “If you wait,” he realized, “people will forget your camera and the soul will drift up into view.”
More here: http://www.stevemccurry.com/main.php
SCOTT MEYERSquote:Susan Meiselas received her B.A. from Sarah Lawrence College and her M.A. in visual education from Harvard University. Her first major photographic essay focused on the lives of women doing striptease at New England country fairs. She photographed the carnivals during three consecutive summers while teaching photography in the New York public schools. CARNIVAL STRIPPERS was published by Farrar, Straus & Giroux in 1976. A selection was installed at the Whitney Museum of Art in June 2000. The original book was revised and reprinted by the Whitney Museum and Steidl Verlag in 2003.
Meiselas joined Magnum Photos in 1976 and has worked as a freelance photographer since then. She is best known for her coverage of the insurrection in Nicaragua and her documentation of human rights issues in Latin America, which were published widely throughout the world. In 1981, Pantheon published her second monograph, NICARAGUA, JUNE 1978-JULY 1979 which was reprinted by Aperture in the fall 2008.
http://www.susanmeiselas.com/
Source: http://homepage.mac.com/scottmyers/desktoplabs/TVS%20aboutus.htmlquote:Port Authority of NY & NJ
42nd Street Ballroom, Managed overhaul of Audio Kinetic sculpture by George Rhoads. Sculpture is a large, 8’ x 8’ x 8’ Plexiglas and steel sculpture filled with billiard balls, chimes, xylophone bars, a wok, and various pumps and motors. Overhaul involved hinging cabinetry, adding motion detectors to lessen wear and tear, replacing large loop d’loop, and cleaning and painting sculpture.
Source: http://forums.ni.com/attachments/ni/...l%20Resume.pdf
quote:James Nachtwey is an extremely inspiring photographer. He has been all over the world documenting the real life situations that he has seen. His photos are very dramatic and real. He started out photographing in America and taking photos of the war. He also has taken photos of the people in India, Rwanda, Bosnia, South Africa, Kosovo, Israel, Indonesia and more. He even was there in New York city on 9-11-01 and had taken very vivid photos of the twin towers not knowing what exactly had happened when he first saw the sky filled with debris, dust, and smoke. All of his photos make an impact because they all show drastic times that our world has experienced. On his website I like the quote that he said below.
NAKA NATHANIELquote:“I have been a witness, and these pictures are
my testimony. The events I have recorded should
not be forgotten and must not be repeated.” James Nachtwey
Source: http://jessicaniebuhr.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/james-nachtwey/
quote:Naka Nathaniel is a retired multimedia journalist and consultant living in Atlanta, Georgia. He was an original member of the team that launched NYTimes.com in 1995.
On September 11, he filmed the second plane crash from his rooftop in Brooklyn. A sequence of shots from the videotape were the dominant images on NYTimes.com during the day and the footage was broadcast on network and cable channels.
He spent almost five years based in Paris toting his cameras, computers and communications gear to produce multimedia features for The New York Times from A (Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge) to Z (Zimbabwe) -- including the three countries in George W. Bush's "Axis of Evil." He was nominated for an Emmy in 2006 for work in Darfur. Footage from travels with Nicholas Kristof was used in the HBO documentary “Reporter.”
A graduate of the University of Texas, he is married to Meredith Artley, the managing editor of CNN.com. He is now the stay-at-home parent for their young son.
Source: http://www.nakanathaniel.com/Site/Splash.html
Ik zie dat jij je er ook in bent gaan verdiepenquote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 22:12 schreef Gray het volgende:
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Het was een heel klein circuit aan 'getuigen' en beelden die in de media verschenen zijn. Zelfs de zogenaamde live-beelden van nieuwszenders die aan sterke competitie zouden doen komen allemaal uit dezelfde poel. Daarom raad ik critici nogmaals aan om dit te bekijken:
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De volgende vraag die we ons allemaal moeten stellen is dan vervolgens: wat is wél echt gebeurd? Wat is echt en wat niet?
Een hele tijd geleden al.quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 22:33 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Ik zie dat jij je er ook in bent gaan verdiepen
Yup... erg interessant allemaal. Ik denk alleen niet dat we er ooit achter zullen komen hoe de vork nu echt in de steel zit.quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 22:43 schreef Gray het volgende:
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Een hele tijd geleden al.
Ik wilde het een en ander debunken door de oorspronkelijke beelden, nieuwsberichten en officiele documentatie ernaast te leggen, maar daardoor begonnen juist vreemde zaken naar voren te komen. Bijvoorbeeld de aanslagen eerder die dag/nacht, de onderzoeken naar mogelijke terroristen in NY vóór 9-11 en hoe sommige fotografen half de stad door zijn gereisd in die paar chaotische uren. Maar wat me voornamelijk overhaalde was de slordigheid van het NIST rapport.
Denk het ook niet.quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 23:01 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Yup... erg interessant allemaal. Ik denk alleen niet dat we er ooit achter zullen komen hoe de vork nu echt in de steel zit.
Misschien als we achter een rollator lopen dat het boven water komt, maar dan kraait geen haan er meer naar.quote:
Denk zelfs dan niet. De overheden nemen genoeg met het NIST rapport, en alle documentatie zal of nooit worden vrijgegeven, of niets nieuws brengen. Slot en grendel.quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 23:05 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Misschien als we achter een rollator lopen dat het boven water komt, maar dan kraait geen haan er meer naar.
Mja... heb je wel gelijk in. Klokkenluider misschien? Of iemand die echt de ballen heeft om eens onderzoek te doen naar een aantal victims.quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 23:06 schreef Gray het volgende:
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Denk zelfs dan niet. De overheden nemen genoeg met het NIST rapport, en alle documentatie zal of nooit worden vrijgegeven, of niets nieuws brengen. Slot en grendel.
Denk dat beiden al snel in diskredit worden gebracht, dus daar zet ik m'n geld niet op in, om het maar zo te zeggen.quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 23:08 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Mja... heb je wel gelijk in. Klokkenluider misschien? Of iemand die echt de ballen heeft om eens onderzoek te doen naar een aantal victims.
ze stonden allemaal op het dak, toevallig allemaal op hetzelfde dakquote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 21:45 schreef Gray het volgende:
Hoe in de loop van 7/8 jaar na dato de 45(!) 'amateurbeelden' zijn opgedoken:
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Betrouwbaarheid van de 'amateurbeelden'?
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Amateurs?
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onzin, je ziet toch geen vonken toen die towers gingen? verder had je dan 80.000 van die pakketjes nodig om ze om te krijgen (excl de core)quote:
80.000? Heb je dat getal gevonden of zelf bedacht?quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 01:05 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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onzin, je ziet toch geen vonken toen die towers gingen? verder had je dan 80.000 van die pakketjes nodig om ze om te krijgen (excl de core)
duw even 80.000 sterrentjes in een plastic rioolbuis, dan snap je het wel!quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 01:08 schreef Gray het volgende:
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80.000? Heb je dat getal gevonden of zelf bedacht?
En waarom zou je vonken zien als het ín de gebouwen zou plaatsvinden?
Dat is niet hetzelfde.quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 01:10 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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duw even 80.000 sterrentjes in een plastic rioolbuis, dan snap je het wel!
Met draad is zo 20e eeuw... In de 21e eeuw gaan we draadloos.quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 01:16 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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voor mij wel en 80.000 is teveel werk om aan te sluiten qua detcord!
er stond idd jamming aan, zodat er geen amateurfilm geschoten kon wordenquote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 01:24 schreef Gray het volgende:
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Met draad is zo 20e eeuw... In de 21e eeuw gaan we draadloos.
Manhattan scheen ook last te hebben van electronische blackouts vanaf 8:45, wat een reden zou kunnen zijn voor het gebrek aan digitale amateurfotografie:
Analoge foto's zouden zijn verzameld door lokale politieagenten, maar daar kan ik zo snel geen bron meer van vinden, behalve rond 1:25 van September Clues.
Lastige is dat daar geen bewijs voor kan worden aangedragen, ondanks dat er al vanaf de jaren '60 verslag wordt gedaan van elektronische oorlogsvoering. Die materie is highly classified.quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 01:27 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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er stond idd jamming aan, zodat er geen amateurfilm geschoten kon worden
In china krijg je al een gsm jammer voor een paar tientjes, kan je nagaan wat de NSA en consorten hebben, maar bewijzen is idd lastig als het top secret is!quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 01:30 schreef Gray het volgende:
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Lastige is dat daar geen bewijs voor kan worden aangedragen, ondanks dat er al vanaf de jaren '60 verslag wordt gedaan van elektronische oorlogsvoering. Die materie is highly classified.
Binnenkort krijg je automatische censuur op iPhones:quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 01:35 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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In china krijg je al een gsm jammer voor een paar tientjes, kan je nagaan wat de NSA en consorten hebben, maar bewijzen is idd lastig als het top secret is!
Zijn 2 verschillende audio opnamens. 1 is er van iemand met een draadloze das microfoon, dat verklaard de storingen ook omdat de ontvanger ( waarschijnlijk op de camera) te ver van de zender is. De 2e audio is waarschijnlijk die van de camera zelf. Althans dat lijkt me een logische verklaring. Ene audio fragment is linkse kanaal andere rechtse kanaal.quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 21:35 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
HOLY SHIT version (@3:19) : NO HOLY SHIT version (gelijk vanaf het begin):
Zeg het maar? Een grappenmaker die onder een van de filmpjes een andere audiotrack heeft gezet? Neuh... allebei de filmpjes zijn afkomstig uit de NIST FOIA 911datasets.org.
gelukkig heb ik die overpriced troep niet!quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 01:37 schreef Gray het volgende:
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Binnenkort krijg je automatische censuur op iPhones:
http://mashable.com/2011/(...)recording-in-venues/
http://www.nypost.com/p/n(...)gBCEKjeyDCLHef3Y6i3H
Dan kunnen gehele gebieden worden afgesloten op afstand om opnames te maken. It's a Brave New World.
Alsof het uitmaken zal.quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 02:11 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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gelukkig heb ik die overpriced troep niet!
Misschien zit ik ook in 'n bejaarden huis of rolstoel....maar jonger mensen niet.quote:Op donderdag 6 september 2012 23:05 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Misschien als we achter een rollator lopen dat het boven water komt, maar dan kraait geen haan er meer naar.
Wat hoop je dan? Die kinderen hebben natuurlijk het verhaal gehoord zoals ze dat van hun ouders hoorden, dus logisch dat die zo denken.quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 13:20 schreef Tingo het volgende:
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Misschien zit ik ook in 'n bejaarden huis of rolstoel....maar jonger mensen niet.
Paar weken terug had ik twee 17 jaar jonge dochertjes van vrienden bij me logeren voor 'n korte vakantie....twas wel verrassend hoeveel ze wisten over de moonlanding hoax en 911....en ze geloven ook niks van die officieel BS verhaal....dus er is nog hoop tenminste.
Als jonger mensen zijn op de hoogte van wat bepaalde regeringen,media outlets,'intelligence' agencies en zogenaamde (in)security organisaties zijn ín staat is(capable of) dan zijn ze goed voorbereiden voor wat meer gaat gebeuren.quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 13:28 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
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Wat hoop je dan? Die kinderen hebben natuurlijk het verhaal gehoord zoals ze dat van hun ouders hoorden, dus logisch dat die zo denken.
Sure. Love themquote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 13:58 schreef Tingo het volgende:
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Als jonger mensen zijn op de hoogte van wat bepaalde regeringen,media outlets,'intelligence' agencies en zogenaamde (in)security organisaties zijn ín staat is(capable of)
Die meiden hebben hun eigen meningen over en dit komt niet helemaal van z'n ouders.
I like to give them a little more credit than that.
Haar moeder gelooft dat er 'n maanlanding was - die dochter niet.
Ze hebben 'n gezonde 'mistrust of authority' en te recht.
Punt is, er is hoop omdat niet elke tiener meisje heeft alleen maar interesse in shoes and handbags.
Do you like shoes and handbags Lavenderr ?
I thought you wouldquote:
Nee joh - ik denk dat je 'n closet complot-denker bent...maar je durft nog niet je alu-hoedje te dragen.quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 14:08 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
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I knew that you think I'm that superficial
quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 14:23 schreef Tingo het volgende:
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Nee joh - ik denk dat je 'n closet complot-denker bent...maar je durft nog niet je alu-hoedje te dragen.
Wat een highfashionhoedje zegquote:
quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 14:32 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
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Wat een highfashionhoedje zegKan tevens als antenne fungeren, dus multi-functioneel
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Alleen doet ze een beetje Marijke Helwegen![]()
met haar lippen , verder is het sprékend!
All you need now is a matching handbag:)quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 14:32 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
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Wat een highfashionhoedje zegKan tevens als antenne fungeren, dus multi-functioneel
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Alleen doet ze een beetje Marijke Helwegen met haar lippen , verder is het sprékend!
Dat wordt dan een clutch, zilverkleurigquote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 14:40 schreef Tingo het volgende:
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All you need now is a matching handbag:)
clutch... Zilverkleurige versnellingspook voor in je handtas? :xquote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 15:26 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
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Dat wordt dan een clutch, zilverkleurig
Haha dat kan ook, maar ik bedoel een avondtasje.quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 15:30 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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clutch... Zilverkleurige versnellingspook voor in je handtas? :x
Meer voor de weekend dus?quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 15:34 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
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Haha dat kan ook, maar ik bedoel een avondtasje.
Ja, voor als je uitgaat. Er kan haast niks in, maar dat geeft nietquote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 15:48 schreef Blue_Panther_Ninja het volgende:
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Meer voor de weekend dus?
Ik weet wel dat staal melt bij ~2000 graden Celsius,maar wat is nou maximale temp van kerosine(volle tank dus)??quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 15:52 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
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Ja, voor als je uitgaat. Er kan haast niks in, maar dat geeft niet.
Maar we gaan offtopicsorry, terug naar de extra droge sprinklers van 9/11.
Ik weet het niet.quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 16:19 schreef Blue_Panther_Ninja het volgende:
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Ik weet wel dat staal melt bij ~2000 graden Celsius,maar wat is nou maximale temp van kerosine(volle tank dus)??
op wikipedia al gecheckt,komt er niks uit.quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 16:21 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
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Ik weet het niet.
Maar dat kunnen de experts hier je vast wel vertellen.
Eigenlijk is jouwe handtas en schoenen collectie heel fascinerend....hoeveel paar schoenen heb je?quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 15:52 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
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Maar we gaan offtopicsorry, terug naar de extra droge sprinklers van 9/11.
quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 17:31 schreef Tingo het volgende:
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Eigenlijk is jouwe handtas en schoenen collectie heel fascinerend....hoeveel paar schoenen heb je?
21 paar.quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 17:31 schreef Tingo het volgende:
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Eigenlijk is jouwe handtas en schoenen collectie heel fascinerend....hoeveel paar schoenen heb je?
Er was geen sprake van gesmolten staal. Wel was het staal verzwakt door de hitte waardoor de stevigheid van de constructie afnam. Althans... Dat is wat de officiële lezing voorhoud.quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 16:19 schreef Blue_Panther_Ninja het volgende:
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Ik weet wel dat staal melt bij ~2000 graden Celsius,maar wat is nou maximale temp van kerosine(volle tank dus)??
quote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 16:19 schreef Blue_Panther_Ninja het volgende:
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Ik weet wel dat staal melt bij ~2000 graden Celsius,maar wat is nou maximale temp van kerosine(volle tank dus)??
quote:In perfect conditions the maximum temperature that can be reached by hydrocarbons such as jet fuel burning in air is 1520° F (825° C). When the World Trade Center collapsed the deeply buried fires would have been deprived of oxygen and their temperatures would have significantly decreased.
Why was the temperature at the core of "the pile" nearly 500° F hotter than the maximum burning temperature of jet fuel a full seven days after the collapses? There were no infernos in either of the twin towers before they collapsed, so what caused the hot spots deep in their wreckage?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/thermite.php
de wtc's bestonden uit 3 delen op elkaar gebouwd, dat betekent als je van 0 naar 90 wilde, moest je 3x van lift wisselen er bestond geen liftschacht die in 1x naar beneden geen, dus dat van die kerosine is onmogelijkquote:Op vrijdag 7 september 2012 19:47 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Er was geen sprake van gesmolten staal. Wel was het staal verzwakt door de hitte waardoor de stevigheid van de constructie afnam. Althans... Dat is wat de officiële lezing voorhoud.
Maar wat bedoel je met max. temperatuur van kerosine (volle tank dus)?
Overigens sta ik te kijken van de magische kerosine die klaarblijkelijk in de vliegtuigen zat. Eerst een enorme explosie met de daarmee samenhangende gigantische vuurbal, waarna er blijkbaar nog voldoende over was om de liftschacht in te stromen en om vervolgens 90 verdiepingen lager als een brandende vuurbal mensen in de lobby te verbranden. Dat terwijl ook nog een basement was. Deze kerosine koos dus voor de hoger gelegen lobby. It's a miracle.
Klopt.. en toch.. ga de officiële berichten er maar op na slaan.. Het zou zijn gebeurd.quote:Op zaterdag 8 september 2012 00:17 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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de wtc's bestonden uit 3 delen op elkaar gebouwd, dat betekent als je van 0 naar 90 wilde, moest je 3x van lift wisselen er bestond geen liftschacht die in 1x naar beneden geen, dus dat van die kerosine is onmogelijk
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Klopt.. en toch.. ga de officiële berichten er maar op na slaan.. Het zou zijn gebeurd.
Mijn dikke reet... zeg ik
Dat is het ook he, je ziet zoveel, en je hoort ook zoveel meningen dat je er tureluurs van wordt en je niet meer weet wie of wat je moet geloven.quote:Op zaterdag 8 september 2012 12:24 schreef Masyl het volgende:
Op National Geographic dit weekend weer non-stop 9/11 'docu's'.
NG igg NIET!quote:Op zaterdag 8 september 2012 13:30 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
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Dat is het ook he, je ziet zoveel, en je hoort ook zoveel meningen dat je er tureluurs van wordt en je niet meer weet wie of wat je moet geloven.
quote:It is this radiant marketable character of the Guatemalan people that National Geographic has joined with the most repressive forces in Central America to exploit. In painting a picture of tranquility where there is war, and by alluding to respect where there is genocide, National Geographic is, with the powerful weapon of misinformation, joining the war against the Mayan people. In describing the perpetual hell that most Mayan people are forced to live in, the editors of National Geographic have carefully chosen such All-American concepts as "theme parks." Behind the apparent ignorance and insanity of it all, National Geographic is but one more cog in the propaganda machine.
http://mediastudy.com/articles/natgeo.html
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"Twin Towers collapsed due to structural failures caused by the intense fire"quote:Op zaterdag 8 september 2012 00:17 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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de wtc's bestonden uit 3 delen op elkaar gebouwd, dat betekent als je van 0 naar 90 wilde, moest je 3x van lift wisselen er bestond geen liftschacht die in 1x naar beneden geen, dus dat van die kerosine is onmogelijk
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waar??quote:Op zaterdag 8 september 2012 20:54 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
ik zie nu weer de beelden, het lijkt wel of ze het hadden gebombardeerd!
helaas geen tv kabel/Digitale TVquote:Op zondag 9 september 2012 00:07 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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op neographic, nonstop uitzendingen
Zie je wel wat je zelf post? Je eigen afbeelding ontkracht wat je zelf schrijft.quote:Op zaterdag 8 september 2012 00:17 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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de wtc's bestonden uit 3 delen op elkaar gebouwd, dat betekent als je van 0 naar 90 wilde, moest je 3x van lift wisselen er bestond geen liftschacht die in 1x naar beneden geen, dus dat van die kerosine is onmogelijk
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In vliegtuig??quote:Op zondag 9 september 2012 19:34 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
Vanavond 22.50 op SBS6 een reportage over 9/11.
Over sommige slachtoffers die nog met hun dierbaren hebben kunnen bellen.
Ik heb het wel al eerder ergens gelezen dat dat gebeurd is.quote:Op zondag 9 september 2012 19:36 schreef Blue_Panther_Ninja het volgende:
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In vliegtuig??
Wat onmogelijk was in 2001!
Dan krijg je wel storing,op enorme hoogte!quote:Op zondag 9 september 2012 19:39 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
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Ik heb het wel al eerder ergens gelezen dat dat gebeurd is.
Nou, we kunnen het vanavond zien en misschien horen .quote:Op zondag 9 september 2012 19:39 schreef Blue_Panther_Ninja het volgende:
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Dan krijg je wel storing,op enorme hoogte!
Bellen vanuit een vliegtuig kon.. moest je je creditcard in stoppen. Airfones noemde ze die. Wel beperkt tot een x aantal gebruikers per keer... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfonequote:Op zondag 9 september 2012 19:36 schreef Blue_Panther_Ninja het volgende:
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In vliegtuig??
Wat onmogelijk was in 2001!
Sommige celphones waren er ook toe in staat, want die bestonden toen ook al.quote:Op zondag 9 september 2012 19:36 schreef Blue_Panther_Ninja het volgende:
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In vliegtuig??
Wat onmogelijk was in 2001!
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