CIA-agent: Wel degelijk buitenaardse lijken bij Roswell

Een van de grootste broodje-ufo-verhalen ter wereld en hij zet de doos gewoon weer op de plank,,

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Op maandag 9 juli 2012 14:59 schreef Surveillance-Fiets het volgende:
Een van de grootste broodje-ufo-verhalen ter wereld en hij zet de doos gewoon weer op de plank,,

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inderdaad. als hij het naar buiten brengt, kon hij flink cashen! bullshit dus en waarom nu naar buiten brengen??

Zie je, ik wist het!!

Er komt elk jaar wel weer zo'n joker naar boven drijven. Daarmee wil ik niet zeggen dat er niets vreemds aan de hand is m.b.t. Roswell.

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Brandon werkte tientallen jaren voor de CIA. In de jaren 90 trof hij informatie aan over het Roswellincident op het hoofdkantoor van de CIA. Hij ontdekte in een archief een doos vol bewijsmateriaal. 'Ik bekeek de inhoud, zette de doos weer op de plank en zei: Mijn god, het is echt gebeurd!', aldus Brandon. In de doos zaten volgens Brandon documenten en foto's die onomstotelijk bewezen dat er daadwerkelijk een buitenaardse schotel was neergestort.

Het komt mij nogal knullig over: Een archief met wat dozen? De bewijzen van één van de grotere UFO raadsels wordt in een doos in een archief opgeslagen?

Hallo, het staat in de krant!! Als je iets als dit in een krant al niet eens meer kan geloven, wat dan nog wel?

Tja. Kranten verkopen wel vaker onzin, en met name het AD.

Philip J. Corso

Philip J. Corso (May 22, 1915 – July 16, 1998) was an American Army officer.

He served in the United States Army from February 23, 1942, to March 1, 1963,[1] and earned the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.

Corso published The Day After Roswell, about how he was involved in the research of extraterrestrial technology recovered from the 1947 Roswell UFO Incident. On July 23, 1997, he was a guest on the popular late night radio show, Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell where he spoke live about his Roswell story. This interview was rebroadcast by Coast to Coast AM on July 3, 2010.

Military career

After joining the Army in 1942, Corso served in Army Intelligence in Europe, becoming chief of the US Counter Intelligence Corps in Rome. In 1945, Corso arranged for the safe passage of 10,000 Jewish World War II refugees out of Rome to the British Mandate of Palestine.

During the Korean War (1950–1953), Corso performed intelligence duties under General Douglas MacArthur as Chief of the Special Projects branch of the Intelligence Division, Far East Command. One of his primary duties was to keep track of enemy prisoner of war (POW) camps in North Korea.[2] Corso was in charge of investigating the estimated number of U.S. and other United Nations POWs held at each camp and their treatment. At later hearings of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, Corso provided testimony that many hundreds of American POW's were abandoned at these camps.[3][4]

Corso was on the staff of President Eisenhower's National Security Council for four years (1953–1957).

In 1961, he became Chief of the Pentagon's Foreign Technology desk in Army Research and Development, working under Lt. Gen. Arthur Trudeau.

When he left military intelligence in 1963, Corso became a key aide to Senator Strom Thurmond.

In 1964, Corso was assigned to Warren Commission member Senator Richard Russell, Jr. as an investigator into the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

The Day After Roswell



In his book The Day After Roswell (co-author William J. Birnes) claims he stewarded extraterrestrial artifacts recovered from a crash near Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.

Corso says a covert government group was assembled under the leadership of the first Director of Central Intelligence, Adm. Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter (see Majestic 12). Among its tasks was to collect all information on off-planet technology. The US administration simultaneously discounted the existence of flying saucers in the eyes of the public, Corso says.

According to Corso, the reverse engineering of these artifacts indirectly led to the development of accelerated particle beam devices, fiber optics, lasers, integrated circuit chips and Kevlar material.

In the book, Corso claims the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), or "Star Wars", was meant to achieve the destructive capacity of electronic guidance systems in incoming enemy warheads, as well as the disabling of enemy spacecraft, including those of extraterrestrial origin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Corso

En een heleboel mensen die claimen dat er wel degelijk iets opmerkelijks heeft plaats gevonden bij Roswell. Hier een hele waslijst met mensen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w(...)Roswell_UFO_incident

Hier een selectie:

*****George "Jud" Roberts was manager of radio station KGFL in Roswell. He signed an affidavit where he claimed to have been threatened if he ran an interview his station had done with Brazel. "I got a call from someone in Washington, D.C. It may have been someone in the office of [New Mexico Senators] Clinton Anderson or Dennis Chavez.

This person said, 'We understand that you have some information, and we want to assure you that if you release it, it's very possible that your station's license will be in jeopardy, so we suggest that you not to do it.' The person indicated that we might lose our license in as quickly as three days. I made the decision not to release the story."


*****Private First Class Ed Sain was an MP in the 390th Air Service Squadron. On the evening of July 7, he and Cpl. Raymond Van Why were told to report to the ambulance pool outside the base hospital and boarded a military ambulance. It was driven north of town and then west into the desert. When they got there at night somewhere in the desert, there were a few tents and a number of floodlights. They were told to guard the entrance to the site from a tent set up for that purpose and to Shoot anyone that tries to get in.

They were returned to the base at daybreak. His son Steven said his father was still reluctant to talk about it, being under a security oath and fearing for his life. According to Steven Sain, his father told both him and his brother that his job was to "guard the bodies at the crash site," which he said "were kept in one of the other tents until being transported to the base." He also thought his father had seen the craft, because he said "it was the strangest thing he had ever seen in his life." Raymond Van Whys wife, Leola, said her husband first talked about it in 1954 when he got out of the service. He told her that he had been a guard at a crash site "out in the desert" where a spaceship had crashed. "My husband told me that it was a UFO that had crashed, that it was a round disc. ..he was out there and saw it!"


*****Retired Air Force Lt. Colonel Raymond Madson was the Project Officer for the Air Force's "crash test dummy" program from 1956 to 1960 at Holloman Air Force Base. The program was used by the Air Force to debunk stories of Roswell alien bodies in their 1997 "Case Closed" report, citing Madson as a key witness. However, Madson, in a recent interview, says the crash dummy explanation was nonsense, part of a coverup, and his personal views on the Roswell case were completely misrepresented by the Air Force.

Madson instead believes that an extraterrestrial crash actually happened and that the alien bodies were stored for a period of time at Wright-Patterson AFB. This was based on his service in the early 1950s at Wright-Patterson and speaking to "others who would have been positioned to know" that there was a "very secure facility" at the base where the recovered bodies were stored. His wife was also employed at the base in the early 1950s in the medical laboratory. Madson said she was told by coworkers about child-sized beings "from another world" who had crashed to Earth sometime prior to her employment and brought to the base to be studied

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Op maandag 9 juli 2012 17:19 schreef PicoMMP het volgende:
Tja. Kranten verkopen wel vaker onzin, en met name het AD.

Oh vorige week was het nog de telegraaf.

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Op dinsdag 10 juli 2012 09:12 schreef Bastard het volgende:

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Oh vorige week was het nog de telegraaf.

Ik hoorde dat ook de Volkskrant laatst bewust fouten publiceerde.

Vind deze hier wel passen:


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ik denk dat het weldegelijk is gebeurd alleen d drijfveer van deze man is ongetwijfeld commercieel

Ik keek laatst naar Area 51 op google maps, je zag geen flikker

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Op dinsdag 17 juli 2012 18:51 schreef sinepedraap het volgende:
Ik keek laatst naar Area 51 op google maps, je zag geen flikker

Verbazingwekkend!

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Op dinsdag 17 juli 2012 18:51 schreef sinepedraap het volgende:
Ik keek laatst naar Area 51 op google maps, je zag geen flikker

In het Amerikaanse leger geldt voor homo's "Don't ask, don't tell". Dus misschien zag je wel een flikker, maar mocht hij dat niet vertellen.

tuurlijk was roswell echt we worden al jaren voor de gek gehouden,, weet je hoeveel ufo waarnemingen er zijn elke dag,,bijna geen krant schrijft er zelfs meer over..

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Op dinsdag 17 juli 2012 20:42 schreef valandil25 het volgende:
tuurlijk was roswell echt we worden al jaren voor de gek gehouden,, weet je hoeveel ufo waarnemingen er zijn elke dag,,bijna geen krant schrijft er zelfs meer over..

Dat er veel ufo's worden waargenomen wil toch niet zeggen dat Roswell echt was?

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Op dinsdag 17 juli 2012 22:21 schreef Enneacanthus_Obesus het volgende:

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Dat er veel ufo's worden waargenomen wil toch niet zeggen dat Roswell echt was?

nee maar misschien dat als iemand het zegt(mits ie de waarheid spreekt)die bij de cia heeft gewerkt..je moet je ook afvragen, wat is dan zijn motief voor een leugen als ie het zou verzinnen?

er waren ook nasa fotos van buitenaardse satelieten die nasa later gefotoshopped aan de wereld heeft laten zien, volgens een oud medewerker van nasa die de originele fotos heeft gezien..

je moest is weten wat er allemaal verdoezeld wordt,, moet je een keer de film zeitgeist gaan kijken op youtube en oordeel dan zelf ,, en dat is nog maar het topje van de ijsberg..
het amerikaanse leger heeft/had bepaalde toestellen (onbemand)die 3 keer sneller gingen dan het licht, voor oorlogs redenen, ze liggen opgeslagen op plekken waar geen ziel komt, maar omdat je in de gevestigde media nooit dit soort geluiden hoort weet bijna niemand hiervan..

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Op dinsdag 17 juli 2012 23:52 schreef valandil25 het volgende:
er waren ook nasa fotos van buitenaardse satelieten die nasa later gefotoshopped aan de wereld heeft laten zien, volgens een oud medewerker van nasa die de originele fotos heeft gezien..

je moest is weten wat er allemaal verdoezeld wordt,, moet je een keer de film zeitgeist gaan kijken op youtube en oordeel dan zelf .. en dat is nog maar het topje van de ijsberg..
het amerikaanse leger heeft/had bepaalde toestellen (onbemand)die 3 keer sneller gingen dan het licht, voor oorlogs redenen, ze liggen opgeslagen op plekken waar geen ziel komt, maar omdat je in de gevestigde media nooit dit soort geluiden hoort weet bijna niemand hiervan..

waarschijnlijk heeft het verdoezelen onder meer te maken met dat deze aliens andere brandstoffen gebruiken en zelfs geen(maar 0 punt energie,, google maar)en dat doet de mensen van de olie industrie, die overal in verweven zitten, geen goed, als mensen horen dat er gratis energie is..

veel van die graancircels zijn zelfs al ontcijfert, ze worden soms uitgebeeld in een bepaalde code http://www.niburu.nl/graa(...)in-ascii-tekens.html

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Wat een topic weer dit...

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Op dinsdag 17 juli 2012 22:27 schreef valandil25 het volgende:

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nee maar misschien dat als iemand het zegt(mits ie de waarheid spreekt)die bij de cia heeft gewerkt..je moet je ook afvragen, wat is dan zijn motief voor een leugen als ie het zou verzinnen?

Als hij echt bij de CIA gewerkt heeft, en hij was er direct bij betrokken, dan zou het toch ook niet zo moeilijk moeten zijn om aanvullend bewijs te kunnen leveren in plaats van zeggen 'Het is echt waar, want ik heb bij de CIA gewerkt en heb een doos met foto's gezien!'?

De "vondst" van buitenaards leven in Roswell kan net zo goed een cover-up zijn voor wat er echt afspeelt in Area 51. Misschien zijn de UFO's die wij waarnemen prototypes van de US Government, NASA, ESA en kunnen we al zonder geluid, megasnel onder de radar vliegen (want "buitenaardse UFO's" worden nooit waargenomen op de radar).

Zie, je kunt het ook op een andere manier bekijken.

En ga mij eens voor gek verklaren...

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 12:53 schreef il_Tonno het volgende:
De "vondst" van buitenaards leven in Roswell kan net zo goed een cover-up zijn voor wat er echt afspeelt in Area 51. Misschien zijn de UFO's die wij waarnemen prototypes van de US Government, NASA, ESA en kunnen we al zonder geluid, megasnel onder de radar vliegen (want "buitenaardse UFO's" worden nooit waargenomen op de radar).

Zie, je kunt het ook op een andere manier bekijken.

En ga mij eens voor gek verklaren...

Dat is geen nieuw idee, en nee, ik verklaar je beslist niet voor gek.

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 12:53 schreef il_Tonno het volgende:
De "vondst" van buitenaards leven in Roswell kan net zo goed een cover-up zijn voor wat er echt afspeelt in Area 51. Misschien zijn de UFO's die wij waarnemen prototypes van de US Government, NASA, ESA en kunnen we al zonder geluid, megasnel onder de radar vliegen (want "buitenaardse UFO's" worden nooit waargenomen op de radar).

Zie, je kunt het ook op een andere manier bekijken.

En ga mij eens voor gek verklaren...

In WOII werden er al UFO's waargenomen door piloten, zij werden "Foo fighters" genoemd. In eerste instantie dachten alle kampen dat deze foo fighters toebehoorden aan een ander kamp, maar men moest al snel tot de conclusie komen dat niemand in die tijd over die technologie beschikte.

Ook zou de oorlog iets anders zijn verlopen als 1 kamp wel beschikte over de foo fighter technologie.

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 09:53 schreef Snapcount2 het volgende:

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Als hij echt bij de CIA gewerkt heeft, en hij was er direct bij betrokken, dan zou het toch ook niet zo moeilijk moeten zijn om aanvullend bewijs te kunnen leveren in plaats van zeggen 'Het is echt waar, want ik heb bij de CIA gewerkt en heb een doos met foto's gezien!'?

Ooit van compartmentalized security gehoord? Een kantoor van de CIA of de FBI of van het leger is niet een plek waar je zomaar even overal naar binnen loopt hoor. Alles gaat daar op een need-to-know basis en hou je je niet aan de protocollen dan loop je kans op ontslag zonder pensioen of zelfs een gevangenisstraf.

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 12:53 schreef il_Tonno het volgende:
(want "buitenaardse UFO's" worden nooit waargenomen op de radar).

Ken je trouwens de JAL Airlines case?

UFO sightings - piloten verklaringen en cockpit opnames

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 17:48 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:

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Ooit van compartmentalized security gehoord? Een kantoor van de CIA of de FBI of van het leger is niet een plek waar je zomaar even overal naar binnen loopt hoor. Alles gaat daar op een need-to-know basis en hou je je niet aan de protocollen dan loop je kans op ontslag zonder pensioen of zelfs een gevangenisstraf.

En je denkt dat een echte CIA-agent met dit soort uitlatingen (na uit dienst treden) geen risico loopt op een gevangenisstraf of verlies van zijn pensioen? De geheimhoudingsclausule houdt niet op bij het uit dienst treden.

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 18:30 schreef Snapcount2 het volgende:

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En je denkt dat een echte CIA-agent met dit soort uitlatingen (na uit dienst treden) geen risico loopt op een gevangenisstraf of verlies van zijn pensioen? De geheimhoudingsclausule houdt niet op bij het uit dienst treden.

Ja dat risico loopt hij idd net zoals veel van die mensen in de Disclosure Project. Alleen als de overheid ingrijpt, dan geven ze toe dat hij de waarheid vertelt. Dat is het spelletje dat gespeeld wordt.

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 18:34 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:

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Ja dat risico loopt hij idd net zoals veel van die mensen in de Disclosure Project. Alleen als de overheid ingrijpt, dan geven ze toe dat hij de waarheid vertelt. Dat is het spelletje dat gespeeld wordt.

Maar daar hoeft hij niet bang voor te zijn aangezien hij het verhaal met aan zekerheid grenzende waarschijnlijkheid uit zijn dikke duim gezogen heeft. Meneer Chase Brandon is een schrijver die een (het zoveelste) boek over het 'Roswell incident' heeft uitgebracht en hoopt dat je het boek gaat kopen zodat hij er wat aan kan verdienen. Een feitje dat ik niet terugzie in de OP of het artikel van het AD. Hij heeft overigens 0,0% bewijs dat hij ooit echt foto's gezien heeft.

Het grappigste aan het verhaal is dat hij in een archief rondloopt en een doos ziet waar groot 'Roswell' op staat en die vol zit met foto's van een neergestort ruimtevaartuig terwijl de CIA normaal gesproken codewoorden aan dit soort onderwerpen toewijst.

Ook een leuk artikel:

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Herald Tribune Reporter, Billy Cox Queries CIA On Chase Brandon's Roswell UFO Claims

CIA smacks down former employee

Whether or not Chase Brandon’s Roswell UFO story has legs obviously depends on the MSM’s inclination to run with the ball. They’ve been warming up to it since June 23, when the retired CIA operative told Coast-To-Coast AM that the Agency had UFO material from the 1947 mystery stashed in its Historical Intelligence Collection files. But if the trend holds, they’ll lose all followup ardor soon enough and it’ll be a dead duck, as usual.

And that’s too bad, because someone here is clearly lying. Last week, De Void asked the CIA if a) its HIC was in possession of Roswell data, and b) would Brandon have had access to that material?Agency PIO Jennifer Youngblood responded Tuesday afternoon: “Our historians have found nothing in the Agency’s holdings to corroborate Mr. Brandon’s specific claims. The CIA has fielded numerous inquiries related to UFOs over the years, and the definitive account of the Agency’s role in UFO studies was published in 1997 and can be found — without redaction — on our website.

“The document can be found here and stands on its own: CIA's Role in the Study of UFOs, 1947-90

That’s a link to National Reconnaissance Organization historian Gerald Haines’ dubious 1997 assertion that most Cold War UFO sightings can be attributed to U.S. spyplane activity. It has no bearing on the Roswell controversy. And that’s pretty much all the CIA has to offer on Brandon’s claims which, if true, are pure dynamite.

Reached at home, HIC curator Hayden Peake declined to provide additional information. “My comments are all in that statement released today,” he said.

Although Brandon claimed last month he had no first-hand knowledge of the event, he told national audiences he took a peek inside a boxed file labeled “Roswell” during the mid-1990s. As a result: “I absolutely know … that there was a craft from beyond this world that crashed at Roswell, that the military picked up remains of not just the wreckage but cadavers and all of that was made public for a short while … One hundred percent guarantee, in my heart and soul I say — Roswell happened.”

Brandon added his security oath prevented him from sharing more details. But what makes him worth listening to are his credentials. A 35-year CIA veteran, he was on the media radar screen — from Popular Mechanics to Mother Jones — for his foreign intrigues long before his decision to go Roswell. At about the same time Brandon claims to have seen the Roswell material, he became the CIA’s first-ever technical consultant to Hollywood, where he reviewed scripts for image and credibility issues before lending the Agency’s imprimatur to productions.

Several things are immediately suspicious about Brandon’s revelations. Foremost is the timing, which coincides with the release of his new novel, The Cryptos Conundrum, billed as a sci-fi conspiracy thriller. Then there’s the fact that nothing he discussed about Roswell goes above and beyond anything long since in the public domain.

“Chase’s claim that he saw a box of files marked ‘Roswell’ is ridiculous,” states Sarasota researcher Tony Bragalia, who has spent years investigating Roswell. “No doubt they use identifying code and project numbers [at the Archives] — not boxes marked ‘Roswell,’ ‘JFK,’ ‘Bigfoot,’ etc. And he’s got the perfect fallback because he says he can’t offer any other details due to national security. I don’t think it’s official disinformation. I think he’s kind of setting himself up for the book. And it’s too bad because there’s so much stuff about this case that’s real and interesting.”

Brandon has not responded to De Void’s query for comment.

http://www.theufochronicl(...)orter-billy-cox.html

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 17:48 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:

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Ooit van compartmentalized security gehoord? Een kantoor van de CIA of de FBI of van het leger is niet een plek waar je zomaar even overal naar binnen loopt hoor. Alles gaat daar op een need-to-know basis en hou je je niet aan de protocollen dan loop je kans op ontslag zonder pensioen of zelfs een gevangenisstraf.

Dan vraag ik me af wat zijn functie was, dat hij toegang had tot een archief met een doos aan bewijsmateriaal..

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 19:01 schreef Enneacanthus_Obesus het volgende:

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Dan vraag ik me af wat zijn functie was, dat hij toegang had tot een archief met een doos aan bewijsmateriaal..

Hij heeft de laatste 10 jaar van zijn tijd bij de CIA doorgebracht als liaison van de entertainment industrie, Hollywood en dergelijke. Scripts van films beoordelen voor de CIA. Als je echt zo een super-duper geheim agent van de CIA bent die toegang heeft tot dit soort 'geheime documenten' dan hadden ze deze agent waarschijnlijk op een betere positie kunnen toepassen.

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Op maandag 9 juli 2012 23:26 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:
En een heleboel mensen die claimen dat er wel degelijk iets opmerkelijks heeft plaats gevonden bij Roswell. Hier een hele waslijst met mensen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w(...)Roswell_UFO_incident

Hier een selectie:

*****George "Jud" Roberts was manager of radio station KGFL in Roswell. He signed an affidavit where he claimed to have been threatened if he ran an interview his station had done with Brazel. "I got a call from someone in Washington, D.C. It may have been someone in the office of [New Mexico Senators] Clinton Anderson or Dennis Chavez.

This person said, 'We understand that you have some information, and we want to assure you that if you release it, it's very possible that your station's license will be in jeopardy, so we suggest that you not to do it.' The person indicated that we might lose our license in as quickly as three days. I made the decision not to release the story."

*****Private First Class Ed Sain was an MP in the 390th Air Service Squadron. On the evening of July 7, he and Cpl. Raymond Van Why were told to report to the ambulance pool outside the base hospital and boarded a military ambulance. It was driven north of town and then west into the desert. When they got there at night somewhere in the desert, there were a few tents and a number of floodlights. They were told to guard the entrance to the site from a tent set up for that purpose and to Shoot anyone that tries to get in.

They were returned to the base at daybreak. His son Steven said his father was still reluctant to talk about it, being under a security oath and fearing for his life. According to Steven Sain, his father told both him and his brother that his job was to "guard the bodies at the crash site," which he said "were kept in one of the other tents until being transported to the base." He also thought his father had seen the craft, because he said "it was the strangest thing he had ever seen in his life." Raymond Van Whys wife, Leola, said her husband first talked about it in 1954 when he got out of the service. He told her that he had been a guard at a crash site "out in the desert" where a spaceship had crashed. "My husband told me that it was a UFO that had crashed, that it was a round disc. ..he was out there and saw it!"

*****Retired Air Force Lt. Colonel Raymond Madson was the Project Officer for the Air Force's "crash test dummy" program from 1956 to 1960 at Holloman Air Force Base. The program was used by the Air Force to debunk stories of Roswell alien bodies in their 1997 "Case Closed" report, citing Madson as a key witness. However, Madson, in a recent interview, says the crash dummy explanation was nonsense, part of a coverup, and his personal views on the Roswell case were completely misrepresented by the Air Force.

Madson instead believes that an extraterrestrial crash actually happened and that the alien bodies were stored for a period of time at Wright-Patterson AFB. This was based on his service in the early 1950s at Wright-Patterson and speaking to "others who would have been positioned to know" that there was a "very secure facility" at the base where the recovered bodies were stored. His wife was also employed at the base in the early 1950s in the medical laboratory. Madson said she was told by coworkers about child-sized beings "from another world" who had crashed to Earth sometime prior to her employment and brought to the base to be studied

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Ik heb verder geen mening over de man uit de OP, want ik ken hem niet.

Wat ik wel grappig vind is dat de skeptici weer over deze bovenstaande post heenstappen. Verrassend.

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 09:53 schreef Snapcount2 het volgende:

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Als hij echt bij de CIA gewerkt heeft, en hij was er direct bij betrokken, dan zou het toch ook niet zo moeilijk moeten zijn om aanvullend bewijs te kunnen leveren in plaats van zeggen 'Het is echt waar, want ik heb bij de CIA gewerkt en heb een doos met foto's gezien!'?

ja misschien vond ie het te riskant want als hij iets weghaalt dan mist er wat en dan gaan ze mensen verdenken..maar goed waarom zou ie erover liegen en zijn leven gevaar laten lopen als ie er geen geld motieven voor heeft,,,mits ie geen boek schrijft..

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 18:49 schreef Snapcount2 het volgende:

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Maar daar hoeft hij niet bang voor te zijn aangezien hij het verhaal met aan zekerheid grenzende waarschijnlijkheid uit zijn dikke duim gezogen heeft. Meneer Chase Brandon is een schrijver die een (het zoveelste) boek over het 'Roswell incident' heeft uitgebracht en hoopt dat je het boek gaat kopen zodat hij er wat aan kan verdienen. Een feitje dat ik niet terugzie in de OP of het artikel van het AD. Hij heeft overigens 0,0% bewijs dat hij ooit echt foto's gezien heeft.

Het grappigste aan het verhaal is dat hij in een archief rondloopt en een doos ziet waar groot 'Roswell' op staat en die vol zit met foto's van een neergestort ruimtevaartuig terwijl de CIA normaal gesproken codewoorden aan dit soort onderwerpen toewijst.

Ook een leuk artikel:

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http://www.theufochronicl(...)orter-billy-cox.html

En die wikipedia lijst die ik hierboven aanhaal, ook allemaal verhalen uit iemands duim?

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probeer je wat dingen in bold te zetten flipt het hele systeem... alles even overnieuw...

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 19:37 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:

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En die wikipedia lijst die ik hierboven aanhaal, ook allemaal verhalen uit iemands duim?

Heb je het dan over Philip Corso? Die roept dat kevlar en lasers uitgevonden zijn dankzij de crash in Roswell? De ontwikkelprocessen van de zaken die hij roept zijn goed vastgelegd en nergens hebben de onderzoekers die die zaken ontwikkeld hebben hulp nodig gehad van een gecrashte UFO. En meneer Corso kwam natuurlijk ook met beweringen toen hij een boek probeerde uit te brengen, dus ook een monetair motief. Plus natuurlijk geen greintje aanvullend bewijs.

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 19:39 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:
Veel plezier met lezen!

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Ik zeg er voor de zoveelste keer bij dat ik getuigenverklaringen niet als sluitend bewijs beschouw, maar ik ben ook niet bereid alles zomaar aan de kant te schuiven met redenen als "ze willen aandacht, boeken verkopen, het zijn fantasten en/of leugenaars.

En de 'null hypothesis' heb je ook nooit van gehoord.

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 19:39 schreef Snapcount2 het volgende:

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Heb je het dan over Philip Corso?

Heb je een ziekte aan je ogen of zo? Ik zeg een hele waslijst met verklaringen en geef je een lijst en dan zeg jij:

"Heb je het over Corso"

Tot ziens Snapcount

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 19:41 schreef Snapcount2 het volgende:

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En de 'null hypothesis' heb je ook nooit van gehoord.

Voor jezelf mogen nadenken en een grijs gebied navigeren zonder conclusies te trekken, ooit van gehoord?

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 19:45 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:

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Heb je een ziekte aan je ogen of zo? Ik zeg een hele waslijst met verklaringen en geef je een lijst en dan zeg jij:

"Heb je het over Corso"

Tot ziens Snapcount

Als je met ad hominems komt, dan weet ik dat je niets zinnigs te melden hebt.

Je had het onder andere over Corso. Je hebt inhoudelijk helemaal niets in te brengen op wat ik post, het enige wat je hebt in te brengen is "Ja, maar ik heb nog andere zaken gepost!"

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 19:45 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:

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Voor jezelf mogen nadenken en een grijs gebied navigeren zonder conclusies te trekken, ooit van gehoord?

Ik kan prima voor mezelf nadenken, je bent het alleen niet eens met me en daar heb jij weer moeite mee gezien de ad hominems.

echt ik vind het een beetje naief allemaal al denk je dat al die honderden mensen liegen,,en er heel skeptisch tegen aan gaan zitten kijken dat in een oneindig universum van 300 biljoen jaar er geen intelligentere, en ook op spiritueel gebied verdere wezens dan ons zijn..

kijk eens goed naar wie wij zijn..een op oorlog en geld gebaseerde wereld..echt voor de buitenaardsen is dit de preheistorie,,

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 19:47 schreef Snapcount2 het volgende:

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Ik kan prima voor mezelf nadenken, je bent het alleen niet eens met me en daar heb jij weer moeite mee.

lees eens een boek van Stanton Friedman over de crashes ( ja .. er was er nog 1 in corona )
daar word zat bewijsmateriaal aangeleverd .

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 19:48 schreef huupia het volgende:

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lees eens een boek van Stanton Friedman over de crashes ( ja .. er was er nog 1 in corona )
daar word zat bewijsmateriaal aangeleverd .

Dat doet hij niet. Hij heeft zijn conclusie al vaststaan en om dan zaken te weerleggen komt hij met debunker websites die net zo min bewijs leveren als de mensen die beweren iets gezien te hebben. Maar de debunker verklaring past in zijn wereldbeeld en daarom is het waar.

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Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 19:51 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:

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Dat doet hij niet. Hij heeft zijn conclusie al vaststaan en om dan zaken te weerleggen komt hij met debunker websites die net zo min bewijs leveren als de mensen die beweren iets gezien te hebben. Maar de debunker verklaring past in zijn wereldbeeld en daarom is het waar.

Nee, de 'null hypothesis' is dat er in Roswell niets bijzonders gebeurd is. Jullie roepen dat er een ruimteschip is neergestort waarin buitenaardse wezens zaten. 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' en dat bewijs heb ik nog niet gezien.

Als er iemand is die zijn conclusie al vast heeft staan, dan ben jij dat.

Hier even alle getuigenverklaringen die verzameld zijn op wikipedia. Veel leesplezier!

Mac Brazel's interview

Mac Brazel, who discovered the debris which sparked the Roswell UFO incident, died in 1963, well before researchers started to interview witnesses to the incident. However, he was interviewed in 1947 and his accounts of debris appeared in the Roswell Daily Record on July 9, 1947. In the interview he said he found "bright wreckage made up of rubber strips, tinfoil, a rather tough paper and sticks".[1][2]
Jesse Marcel's testimony

Jesse Marcel was approached by researchers in 1978 and he recounted details suggesting the debris Brazel had led him to was exotic. He believed the true nature of the debris was being suppressed by the military. His accounts were featured in the 1979 documentary UFOs are Real, and in a February 1980 National Enquirer article, which are largely responsible for making the Roswell incident famous by sparking renewed interest.

There was all kinds of stuff—small beams about three eighths or a half inch square with some sort of hieroglyphics on them that nobody could decipher. These looked something like balsa wood, and were about the same weight, except that they were not wood at all. They were very hard, although flexible, and would not burn....One thing that impressed me about the debris was the fact that a lot of it looked like parchment. It had little numbers with symbols that we had to call hieroglyphics because I could not understand them. They could not be read, they were just like symbols, something that meant something, and they were not all the same, but the same general pattern, I would say. They were pink and purple. They looked like they were painted on. These little numbers could not be broken, could not be burned. I even took my cigarette lighter and tried to burn the material we found that resembled parchment and balsa, but it would not burn—wouldn't even smoke. But something that is even more astonishing is that the pieces of metal that we brought back were so thin, just like tinfoil in a pack of cigarettes. I didn't pay too much attention to that at first, until one of the boys came to me and said: "You know that metal that was in there? I tried to bend the stuff and it won't bend. I even tried it with a sledgehammer. You can't make a dent on it," Marcel said.[3]

The Brazel and Marcel family testimony

Bessie Brazel, Mac's daughter, had helped recover the debris. "There was what appeared to be pieces of heavily waxed paper and a sort of aluminum-like foil. Some of these pieces had something like numbers and lettering on them, but there were no words that we were able to make out. Some of the metal-foil like pieces had a sort of tape stuck to them, and when these were held to the light they showed what looked like pastel flowers or designs. Even though the stuff looked like tape it could not be peeled off or removed at all. It was very light in weight but there sure was a lot of it." [4]

She also signed an affidavit that had additional descriptions: "The debris looked like pieces of a large balloon which had burst. The pieces were small, the largest I remember measuring was about the same as the diameter of a basketball. Most of it was a kind of double-sided material, foil-like on one side and rubber-like on the other. Both sides were grayish silver in color, the foil more silvery than the rubber. Sticks, like kite sticks, were attached to some of the pieces with a whitish tape. The foil-rubber material could not be torn like ordinary aluminum foil can be torn." [5]

Son Bill Brazel Jr. confirmed some of what Bessie said: "There was some tinfoil and some wood and on some of the wood it had Japanese or Chinese figures."[6] "There was some wooden-like particles I picked up. These were like balsa wood in weight, but a bit darker in color and much harder. This stuff ... weighed nothing, yet you couldn't scratch it with your fingernail like ordinary balsa, and you couldn't break it either."

Marcel’s son Jesse Jr. also saw the debris. Marcel went home and showed the debris to his family. Marcel Jr.: "[It was] foil-like stuff, very thin, metallic-like but not metal, and very tough. There was also some structural-like material too — beams and so on. Also a quantity of black plastic material which looked organic in nature ... Imprinted along the edge of some of the beam remnants there were hieroglyphic-type characters. I recently questioned my father about this, and he recalled seeing these characters also and even described them as being a pink or purplish-pink color. Egyptian hieroglyphics would be a close visual description of the characters seen, except I don't think there were any animal figures present as there are in true Egyptian hieroglyphics..." [7]

He would say elsewhere in a signed affidavit: "There were three categories of debris; a thick, foil like metallic gray substance; a brittle, brownish-black plastic-like material, like Bakelite; and there were fragments of what appeared to be I-beams ... On the inner surface of the I-beam, there appeared to be a type of writing. This writing was a purple-violet hue, and it had an embossed appearance. The figures were composed of curved, geometric shapes. It had no resemblance to Russian, Japanese or any other foreign language. It resembled hieroglyphics, but it had no animal-like characters." [8]
Sheridan Cavitt and Lewis Rickett’s testimony

Sheridan Cavitt of the Roswell Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC) was identified by Marcel as assisting him in investigating the crash and recovering debris, likely the "man in plainclothes" mentioned by rancher Brazel in a contemporary article as accompanying Marcel and himself. (CIC agents usually wore civilian clothes.)

He was interviewed in 1994 when the Air Force investigated the allegations of a cover-up. In the interview, he said he had no memory of ever meeting Brazel or going out with Marcel, but said he went to the crash site with his CIC assistant Sgt. Lewis Rickett.

Cavitt said the crash site was tiny, about the size of his living room or "20 feet square." "It was a small amount of, as I recall, bamboo sticks, reflective sort of material that would, at first glance, you would probably think it was aluminum foil, something of that type and we gathered up some of it. I don't know whether we even tried to get all of it. It wasn’t scattered; well, what I call, you know, extensively." [9]

Rickett said Cavitt took him to a debris area the following day. He described an extensive cleanup of a large area involving many men, heavily guarded by MPs. He was allowed to handle a remaining piece of debris. "There was a slightly curved piece of metal, real light." "You could bend it but couldn't crease it." "It was about six inches by twelve or fourteen inches. Very light. I crouched down and tried to snap it. My boss [Cavitt] laughs and said, 'Smart guy. He's trying to do what we couldn't do.' I asked, 'what in the hell is this stuff made out of?' It didn't feel like plastic and I never saw a piece of metal this thin that you couldn't break. This was the strangest material we had ever seen ... there was talk about it not being from Earth."

Roswell and Fort Worth base witnesses

Sgt. Robert Porter: B-29 flight engineer. Porter helped load and was on the B-29 flight from Roswell to Fort Worth, where Marcel was supposed to show some recovered material to Gen. Roger Ramey before proceeding on to Wright Field, Ohio. "I was involved in loading the B-29 with the material, which was wrapped in packages with wrapping paper. One of the pieces was triangle shaped, about 2½ feet across the bottom. The rest were in small packages about the size of a shoebox. The brown paper was held with tape ... The material was extremely lightweight. When I picked it up, it was just like picking up an empty package. We loaded the triangle shaped package and three shoe box-sized packages into the plane. All of the packages could have fit into the trunk of a car." [10]

1st Lt. Robert Shirkey: The base assistant operations officer. Shirkey also witnessed debris being loaded onto the B-29. "...Standing only three feet from the passing procession, we saw boxes full of aluminum-looking metal pieces being carried to the B-29. Major Marcel came along carrying an open box full of what seemed to be scrap metal. It obviously was not aluminum: it did not shine nor reflect like the aluminum on American military airplanes. And sticking up in one corner of the box being carried by Major Marcel was a small 'I-beam' with hieroglyphic-like markings on the inner flange, in some kind of weird color, not black, not purple, but a close approximation of the two. …A man in civilian dress… was carrying a piece of metal under his left arm... This piece was about the size of a poster drawing board—very smooth, almost glass-like, with torn edges." [11]

Sgt. Robert Smith: Roswell 1st Air Transport Unit. “My involvement in the Roswell incident was to help load crates of debris on to the aircraft… We were taken to the hangar to load crates. There was a lot of farm dirt on the hangar floor… We loaded crates on to three or four C-54s… One crate took up the entire plane; it wasn't that heavy, but it was a large volume.… All I saw was a little piece of material. The piece of debris I saw was two-to-three inches square. It was jagged. When you crumpled it up, it then laid back out; and when it did, it kind of crackled, making a sound like cellophane, and it crackled when it was let out. There were no creases…. The largest piece was roughly 20 feet long; four-to-five feet high, four-to-five feet wide. The rest were two-to-three feet long, two feet square or smaller. The sergeant who had the piece of material said that was the material in the crates….[12]

Two witnesses were brought into Ramey's office and told the debris they saw came from Roswell.

J. Bond Johnson: Fort Worth Star-Telegram reporter/photographer, took six photographs of the debris in Ramey’s office, posed with Ramey, Dubose, and Marcel. He said: "It wasn’t an impressive sight, just some aluminum-like foil, balsa wood sticks, and some burnt rubber that was stinking up the office." Johnson said Ramey told him, "We've found out... it's a weather balloon." [13]

Warrant Officer Irving Newton,weather forecaster at Fort Worth. He was identified in contemporary accounts as being brought in to make an official weather balloon identification for Gen. Ramey. In original testimony, Newton indicated that when he got to Ramey's office, "he was briefed by a colonel... that an object had been found by a major in Roswell and that the general had decided that it was really a weather balloon and wanted him to identify as such." Newton said, "There's no doubt that what I was given were parts of a balloon. I was later told that the major from Roswell had identified the stuff as a flying saucer but that the general had been suspicious of this identification from the beginning..." [14] In a later affidavit for the Air Force, he said, "I was convinced at the time that this was a balloon with a [kite] and remain convinced ... There were figures on the sticks lavender or pink in color, appeared to be weather faded markings with no rhyme or reason." [15] Newton's photo was also taken with the balloon debris by an unknown photographer.[16] (Pflock names Charles B. Cashon of the US Air Force as the photographer.)

Material with exotic properties

There were numerous others who claimed to have seen the debris, and many of them described various types of material having exotic physical qualities. One was a tinfoil-like material which when crumpled up would regain its original shape.

Brazel Jr.: "The odd thing about this foil was that you could wrinkle it and lay it back down and it immediately resumed its original shape. It was quite pliable, yet you couldn't crease or bend it like ordinary metal. It was almost more like a plastic of some sort except that it was definitely metallic in nature."
Marcel Sr.: "[There were] many bits of metallic foil, that looked like, but was not, aluminum, for no matter how often one crumpled it, it regained its original shape again. Besides that, they were indestructible, even with a sledgehammer."
Sgt. Robert Smith, Roswell 1st Air Transport Unit: "When you crumpled it up, it then laid back out; and when it did, it kind of crackled, making a sound like cellophane, and it crackled when it was let out. There were no creases."

Others had similar accounts.

Another unusual aspect to some of the material was its strength.

Marcel Sr.: "This particular piece of metal was, I would say, about two feet long and perhaps a foot wide. See, that stuff weighs nothing, it's so thin, it isn't any thicker than the tinfoil in a pack of cigarettes. So I tried to bend the stuff, it wouldn't bend. We even tried making a dent in it with a 16-pound sledge hammer, and there was still no dent in it."
Sgt. Lewis Rickett: "There was a slightly curved piece of metal, real light. It was about six inches by twelve or fourteen inches. Very light. I crouched down and tried to snap it... It didn't feel like plastic and I never saw a piece of metal this thin that you couldn't break."

Some also described pencil-like sticks with unusual qualities:

Marcel Sr.: "[There were] small beams about three-eighths or a half inch square with some sort of hieroglyphics on them that nobody could decipher. These looked something like balsa wood, and were of about the same weight, except that they were not wood at all. They were very hard, although flexible, and would not burn." More detailed quote above.
Brazel Jr.: Similar quote as Marcel's, also given above. Also, "I couldn't break it and I couldn't whittle it with my pocketknife."
Loretta Proctor: "The piece he [Mac Brazel] brought looked like a kind of tan, light brown plastic. It was very lightweight, like balsa wood. It wasn't a large piece, maybe about four inches long, maybe just a little larger than a pencil. We cut on it with a knife and would hold a match on it, and it wouldn't burn. We knew it wasn't wood. It was smooth like plastic."
Jesse Marcel Jr.: "...there were fragments of what appeared to be I-beams. On the inner surface of the I-beam, there appeared to be a type of writing. This writing was a purple-violet hue, and it had an embossed appearance. The figures were composed of curved geometric shapes. It had no resemblance to Russian, Japanese or any other foreign language. It resembled hieroglyphics, but it had no animal-like characters." Another quote above.
Lt. Robert Shirkey: "Standing only three feet from the passing procession, we saw boxes full of aluminum-looking metal pieces being carried to the B-29. ...sticking up in one corner of the box carried by Major Marcel was a small 'I-beam' with hieroglyphic-like markings on the inner flange, in some kind of weird color, not black, not purple, but a close approximation of the two." "I could see the hieroglyphs clearly, the signs were in relief and stood out."

Debris field descriptions

Reports of the size of the debris field and of the ranch's ground conditions differ. There is a large range of descriptions of the size of the debris field, from Cavitt claiming the field was about the size of the 20-foot (6.1 m) room he was sitting in[17] to one account Brazel gave in 1947 of "about 200 yards diameter,"[18] to Marcel Sr.'s description: "The wreckage was scattered over an area of about three quarters of a mile long and several hundred feet wide," [19] or "It was maybe a mile long and several hundred feet wide of debris." [20] to yet another description from 1947 attributed to Marcel saying "he found the broken remains of the weather device scattered over a square mile of land."

Bill Brazel Jr. gave an independent description very similar to Marcel's, based on what he said his father later told him, of the debris field being "about a quarter mile long or so, and several hundred feet wide."

An indirect description of debris field size came from combined statements of Bill Brazel and neighboring rancher Bud Payne. The distance between the northernmost portion of the debris field pointed out by Brazel (where he said there was a gouge) and the southernmost portion pointed out by Payne (where he said he was turned away by soldiers) was about three quarters of a mile.

Brazel's daughter, Bessie Brazel Schreiber said, "There was a lot of debris scattered sparsely over an area that seems to me now to have been about the size of a football field. There may have been additional material spread out more widely by the wind, which was blowing quite strongly." Like Tyree, she mentioned her father mentioning a lot of debris being near a water tank and his concern that the sheep wouldn't water there.[21]

Descriptions of the condition of the field ranged from no disturbance at all to descriptions of deep gouges in the terrain. Marcel Sr. said, "It was nothing that hit the ground or exploded [on] the ground. It's something that must have exploded above ground." Bessie Brazel said she didn't "remember seeing gouges in the ground or any other signs that anything may have hit the ground hard." [22]

However, Brazel Jr. said he saw a shallow groove, about 10 feet (3.0 m) wide, 500 feet (150 m) long, and only a foot to 18 inches (460 mm) deep, extending down to the hard shale layer underneath. "This thing made quite a track down through there. It took a year or two for it to grass back over and heal up." [23]

Other witnesses to describe a gouge or gouges on the ground were Walt Whitmore Jr. (175 to 200 yards of uprooted pastureland in a fan shape), Roswell counterintelligence officer Lewis Rickett, photographer Robin Adair of the Associated Press, who said he tried to overfly the recovery operation but was waved off by soldiers brandishing weapons, and Gen. Arthur Exon, who said he overflew the area some months later. Exon said that in addition to various gouges, he saw auto tracks leading into the "pivotal areas."

Witness accounts of aliens, intimidation and cover-ups
First-hand accounts of aliens

Starting in the early 1990s, several individuals gave first-hand accounts of seeing aliens.

Frank Kaufmann claimed to have various duties at the Roswell base, and his accounts started to appear in UFO Crash at Roswell, published in 1991. When interviewed by Karl Pflock in 1993, he claimed to have been a part of a nine-member team, the only ones permitted to "go out to the site," i.e. the location of a crashed alien craft and its crew. The site was north of Roswell, though he elsewhere claimed the site was on the Foster ranch. Kaufmann said his team came to the site and discovered a crashed craft split open, with an alien thrown against the arroyo wall, another hanging from the craft, and two more inside the craft. All were clad in "very, very close fitting one-piece" uniforms, "like wet suits," which were "silvery" and each had a "clear thing" where the belt buckle would normally be. The aliens were described as having smaller noses, eyes and ears (compared to humans), no hair, being trimly built, standing about five foot three, with "normal" hands. Their skin color was "paler, grayish." (Pflock, 2000, p. 73-4)

Gerald Anderson claimed that as a child of six, he saw aliens at the Plains of Agustin, where Barney Barnett was said to have also seen aliens. (see below) His accounts were featured initially in Crash at Corona, published in 1992. He, with his family, said he saw "a silver object... jammed into a hillside." He described seeing aliens: "[T]here were three of these crewmembers laid out on the ground... one sitting upright... They looked like they had bandages on 'em." He described the arrival of some archaeologists, then the Army. (Friedman and Berliner, p. 90-6)

Sgt. Frederick Benthal, a photographic specialist, claimed that he and Cpl. Al Kirkpatrick were flown in from Washington D.C., to photograph alien wreckage and bodies. They were first driven north of town to one site, where Benthal said he witnessed covered trucks carrying wreckage of some sort. Then Kirkpatrick was sent to another site where they were picking up pieces, while Benthal was taken to a nearby tent. There he photographed several little bodies lying on a tarp. "They were all just about identical, with dark complexions, thin and with large heads. There was a strange smell inside the tent that smelled something like formaldehyde." Kirkpatrick later returned from the other site in a truck loaded down with wreckage. All their equipment and film was confiscated. They were returned to the base and then flown back to Washington, debriefed and told they hadn't seen anything.[24]

Sgt. Thomas Gonzales, in an interview with Don Ecker, editor of UFO magazine, said he helped guard a crash site and saw aliens and a craft. Ecker wrote that Gonzales said he saw "little men." They were human-looking but had eyes and heads slightly larger than human. The craft was an "airfoil" design.[25]

Jim Ragsdale claimed to have witnessed first-hand aliens and their craft. His accounts first appeared in 1994's The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell. He claimed, while out camping about 30 miles (48 km) north of Roswell with a lady friend, to have seen an object fly overhead and crash. He described seeing a craft partially embedded in the ground. Near the craft were "bodies or something laying there. They weren't very long... four or five feet at the most." He and his girlfriend threw some of the wreckage into their jeep and left as the army arrived. (Randle and Scmitt, 1994, p. 7-8)

Walter Haut, Roswell public information officer, who put out the base flying disc press release, mostly denied any other direct knowledge of the incident. However, in his first affidavit he did state, “I am convinced that the material recovered was some type of craft from outer space.” [26] Then a few years before his death (in Dec. 2005) he elaborated on that statement. The 2002 affidavit, to be released after his death he stated he had direct knowledge about a spacecraft and aliens. "Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84, a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. ...I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside. Once inside I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet (4.6 m) in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet (1.8 m) high, and more of an egg shape. ...Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin. Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features. The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas over the bodies suggested the size of a 10-year old child. ...[Later Blanchard] would extend his arm about 4 feet (1.2 m) above the floor to indicate the height. I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies. ...I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space." [27]

PFC Elias Benjamin was an MP with 390th Air Service Squadron. On the evening of Monday July 7 or morning of Tuesday, July 8, he was placed in charge of escorting three or four bodies covered with sheets on gurneys from Hangar 84 to the Roswell base hospital. One appeared to be moving. During transfer, the sheet slipped off of one "revealing the grayish face and swollen, hairless head of a species that I realized was not human." Later at the base hospital, with the sheet removed, he could make out "a very small person with an egg-shaped head that was oversized for its body. ...The only facial features that stick out in my mind now are that it had slanted eyes, two holes where its nose should have been, and a small slit where its mouth should have been. I think it was alive." He noticed a "terrible smell" at the hospital. He had also seen metallic crash debris in the hangar which wasn't from a plane crash because it wasn't burned. Later, "I was debriefed and made to sign a nondisclosure statement. ...I was told that if I ever spoke about it, something bad would happen, not only to me, but also to my family." [28]