Palestina & Israël #89

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Op vrijdag 4 november 2011 22:24 schreef Nielsch het volgende:

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Dus als er voortaan een pro-Israël kneus is op dit forum die zeurt dat het zo vreselijk is dat Hamas weer een paar raketten heeft afgevuurd ga jij ze nu ook vertellen dat ze niet moeten zeuren omdat er veel ergere dingen gebeuren? Want zo niet, dan ben je totaal niet serieus te nemen namelijk.

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Op vrijdag 4 november 2011 22:25 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:

Dus je moet het met iedere regel in het regeerakkoord eens zijn?

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Dus volgens jou moeten wij uit de NAVO stappen wegens Israel?

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Nou als je wil dat we uit de NAVO stappen omdat Israel zoveel doden maakt, hoe kunnen we dan nog in de EU blijven die een veelvoud van doden heeft?

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En waarom heb je niet gereageerd op de rest van de zinnen? Geen antwoord? Waar is die wet waar je het over had?

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No humanitarian aid found onboard Gaza flotilla'
Navy forces tow Irish-Canadian flotilla ships to Ashdod Port after successful take over, say no weapons or humanitarian aid found. Immigration Authority holds hearing for 4 out of 27 Pro-Palestinian activists to be deported out of Israel
Elior Levy
Latest Update: 11.04.11, 20:05 / Israel News

The two vessels attempting to break the blockade of the Gaza Strip reached the Ashdod Port, after Navy forces intercepted the ships and towed them to Israel. The Immigration Authority has taken four out of the 27 flotilla activists to a hearing prior to their deportation from Israel.

Onboard one of the ships were 12 passengers and another 15 activists on another, including one Israeli citizen. All 27 pro-Palestinian activists were trasferred over to the police and Immigration Authority and expected to be deported from the country.

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Earlier Friday Navy forces boarded the vessels in a peaceful take over, IDF officials remarked that they did not find any weapons onboard the ship. The troops boarded the vessels without any resistance and no one was hurt, the military said.


צילום: דובר צה"ל

Video: IDF Spokesman

An IDF spokesman said earlier the operation was completed according to the decision made by the political echelon and after several attempts to speak with the activists.

According to the IDF statement, the Navy informed the activists they can turn back and avoid breaking the blockade. They were also offered to sail to a port in Egypt.

The two vessels approached the Gaza Strip and were in close proximity to Israeli territorial waters. The Navy made initial contact with the ships, the IDF Spokesperson's Unit said. IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gantz has ordered the Navy to stop the ships, but the takeover has yet to begin.

"The activists did not heed the Navy's calls and refused to act according to the legal possibilities that stand before them. The vessels continue to make their way towards the blockade area," the IDF said earlier on Friday.

One activist said that the Israeli ships were12 nautical miles from the flotilla ships, which is 45 NM from the Gaza coast.


Photo of Palestinian flag taken by Iranian journalist on board ship

Asked what their final destination was, the activists replied "the human compass" and later changed their answer to "betterment of humanity."

One of the flotilla organizers said that the activists pledged in writing not to resist or confront Israeli naval forces.

"The two ships are close to Israel's waters and their crew has been instructed not to resist naval forces who will attempt to stop them," Denis Kosseim told AFP. "Our representatives have signed a document where they pledged not to resist in case Israeli forces board the ship. We hope they will be able to return unharmed," Kosseim added.

The flotilla consists of one Canadian ship called Tahrir and an Irish yacht. On board the vessels are 27 activists, crewmen and journalists, including one Iranian reporter.


Vessels approach Gaza Strip

According to the organizers, the ships carry $30,000 worth of medical equipment for the people of Gaza.


Defense officials believe that the activists' main aim is to cause provocation rather than help the Palestinians. Naval forces are planning to offer them to dock in Egypt or in the Ashdod Port and transfer the equipment to Gaza for them.

On Thursday, the ships were forced to slow down mainly due to stormy weather. "The last message we received from them was that they slowed down," an activist in the West Bank told Ynet.

"They said they prefer reaching Gaza in the daytime, to maximize their media exposure," they said

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Op zaterdag 5 november 2011 19:11 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Waarom gaan ze met lege handen op reis?

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Israel to deport Gaza flotilla activists
Published: 11.05.11, 16:14 / Israel News

Israel has begun deportation procedures for a group of pro-Palestinian activists who tried to breach its naval blockade of the Gaza Strip.

Israel's Navy intercepted two small boats carrying around two dozen international activists on Friday and towed the vessels to a port north of Gaza.

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Op vrijdag 4 november 2011 22:27 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:

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Hamas doet ze best maar. Israel pwnt ze toch wel. Ze gaan allebei maar lekker hun gang. Er zijn vele, vele malen grotere conflicten om je druk over te maken. Maar he, Afrika boeit je toch niet he? Israel dat 2 km vanaf Afrika ligt, dat is echter heeeeeel anders.

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Op vrijdag 4 november 2011 22:16 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:
hypocriet

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Op zondag 6 november 2011 10:18 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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De Joden, die als volk vervolgt zijn, met WOII slechts als hoogtepunt daarvan, die die geschiedenis misbruiken als excuus om zelf een volk te vervolgen.

Dat is idd hypocriet.

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Op vrijdag 4 november 2011 17:35 schreef Nielsch het volgende:

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Ah, het kindermoordwapentuig wordt opgesteld. Stoere jongens. Geil dat jij daar zo'n stijve van krijgt, van voertuigen die straks baby's kapot gaan schieten...

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Op zondag 6 november 2011 10:18 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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De Joden, die als volk vervolgt zijn, met WOII slechts als hoogtepunt daarvan, die die geschiedenis misbruiken als excuus om zelf een volk te vervolgen.

Dat is idd hypocriet.

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Op zondag 6 november 2011 11:22 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:

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Vervolgen? Man het is in ieder opzicht een mini-conflict. Zoals gezegd vallen er vrijwel in elk conflict per jaar meer doden dan in meer dan een halve eeuw dit geintje. En maar zeiken over het enorme onrecht richting de Palestijnen en de ogen sluiten voor wat er 2 meter verderop gebeurt. Zoals gezegd: hy-po-criet.

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Op zondag 6 november 2011 11:49 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Als het allemaal zo onbelangrijk is, kunnen ze Israël toch gewoon opheffen?

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Op zondag 6 november 2011 11:49 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Als het allemaal zo onbelangrijk is, kunnen ze Israël toch gewoon opheffen?

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Op zondag 6 november 2011 12:34 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:

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Ja dat kan. Kunnen ze ook gewoon niet doen en Palestina opheffen. Ook prima.

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Many of Israel's official websites have gone down in what the government says is a broad technical malfunction.

The sites include that of the Mossad and Shin Bet intelligence services, the military spokesman, the Interior Ministry and others.

In response to speculation that the shutdown was the result of a cyber attack by pro-Palestinian hackers, the Israeli government released a statement saying the problem "was not a cyber attack but only a technical malfunction."

Sunday's statement said the problem was "currently being dealt with by experts."

Earlier, the international hackers' group Anonymous had threatened the Israeli government in response to the Israeli navy attack on Friday on two humanitarian boats bound to Gaza in an attempt to break the siege.

According to the Israeli paper Haaretz, the Israel Defense Forces, the Shin Bet security service and the Mossad's websites were affected. Other government websites including a treasury website as well as those of the ministries of housing, health and interior were also down.

In a video message, uploaded on YouTube, Anonymous said, "We do not tolerate this kind of repeated offensive behavior against unarmed civilians ... We along with 127 countries recognize Palestine as a state for the people of Palestine and such acts by you and your military are acts of war against a sovereign nation."

The group, which has previously staged attacks against the toppled Egyptian and Tunisian regimes, warned of further attacks against Israeli targets if the Gaza siege continues.

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Op dinsdag 8 november 2011 01:25 schreef Kees22 het volgende:
@Redefine #241 (Om de een of andere reden kan ik geen berichten citeren??)
Deze discussie gaat al zolang door, omdat er mensen zijn die menen gedrag van Israel te moeten verdedigen. Gedrag dat van geen enkele andere staat getolereerd, laat staan verdedigd wordt, namelijk landroof, bezetting en onderdrukking.
Al moet ik toegeven dat er tijdens het bezoek van de Dalai Lama aan Nederland in Leiden Chinese studenten waren, die de bezetting door China van Tibet verdedigden. Met dezelfde argumenten als de bezetting door Israel verdedigd wordt. Maar de Chinezen waren daar (nog) in de minderheid en werden dus overstemd. Anti-sinoist is nog geen dooddoener.

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Op dinsdag 8 november 2011 01:29 schreef Smoofie het volgende:

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Hoe kun je de bezetting van Tibet verdedigen Wat een idioten.

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Politicians' best microphone gaffes

Nicolas Sarkozy and Barack Obama are the latest politicians embarrassed by a microphone picking up more than it should

It is the politician's ultimate nightmare: the rude aside meant only for the ears of a colleague or aide caught on an open microphone and broadcast to the assembled press pack. Nicolas Sarkozy and Barack Obama have become the latest high-profile victims of the genre when they were heard discussing the merits of the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, in a supposedly private moment at the G20 summit in Cannes last week. "I cannot stand him. He's a liar," Sarkozy told Obama. The US president responded by saying: "You're fed up with him? I have to deal with him every day."

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Israeli ministers accused of trying to muzzle critics with funding curbs

Senior cabinet members have approved a bill limiting foreign donations to political not-for-profit organisations

An Israeli cabinet committee has voted to pass legislation backed by the prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, that would cut tens of millions of pounds in foreign funding to human rights organisations.

The ministerial committee for legislation passed two bills, one of which limits all funding for non-governmental organisations from foreign bodies, including the United Nations, to 20,000 shekels (£3,300) a year. The other seeks to tax all contributions to NGOs by foreign states. Those who support the bills say many NGOs are political groups working under the guise of human rights to "delegitimise Israel".

Last week, Matthew Gould, Britain's ambassador to Israel, added his voice to concerns from international diplomats. Gould met the bill's sponsor, Likud minister Ophir Akunis, to warn him that the passage of his legislation would reflect very badly on Israel in the international community.

On Sunday, embassy sources in Tel Aviv confirmed they would be monitoring the bill's progress carefully.

In 2010, the British embassy donated £300,000 to human rights organisations in Israel.

The EU's ambassador to Israel, Andrew Standley, is also reported to have contacted Netanyahu's national security adviser, Yaakov Amidror, last Thursday to advise him that approving the bill would threaten Israel's standing as a democratic state.

Eleven ministers voted for the bill on Sunday, while five voted against. A senior Israeli official defended the government position: "It is not good for democracy to allow foreign governments to be directly involved in political activities.

"In Britain, you had a very open and democratic debate about the Iraq war. How would the British public feel if they discovered France or Russia had funded one side of that debate?"

Likud's Benny Begin, son of the former prime minister Menachem Begin, was among ministers who opposed the bill, which means it must now pass a second cabinet vote before it can be submitted to the Knesset. This vote is not expected to take place for several weeks.

The government has suggested the bill may be amended to distinguish between groups with a political agenda and those working genuinely to promote human rights.

The distinction has offered little comfort to activists who claim such a law would in effect criminalise political dissent. Among those groups in jeopardy is the leading Israeli rights organisation B'Tselem, which receives hundreds of thousands of pounds from the British embassy and UK charity Christian Aid each year. Sarit Michaeli, the group's spokeswoman, says it stands to lose half its annual budget if the law is passed, but it will continue its work regardless. Many smaller organisations, she says, will be worse off.

Christian Aid donates £200,000 annually to organisations in Israel, including B'Tselem, Physicians for Human Rights and the Association for Civil Rights.

It has expressed concern thatSunday's cabinet decision reflects a wider trend in Israeli legislation that compromises the country's treaties with the EU binding it to the defence of human rights.

"This is yet another blow to democracy in Israel," said William Bell, a Middle East expert at Christian Aid. "Whether this legislation is passed or not, it has succeeded in creating a great deal of insecurity and uncertainty among the Israeli NGO community, or anyone talking about issues it would seem the government doesn't want it to talk about."

There is recent precedent of the Knesset approving legislation to restrict activists. In February 2010, a bill proposing to withdraw the charitable status of organisations receiving money from foreign states was passed, increasing scrutiny of how NGOs are funded.

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Those who support the bills say many NGOs are political groups working under the guise of human rights to "delegitimise Israel".