Dat zou niet best wezen.. ik hoop het niet.quote:Op zondag 20 november 2011 11:13 schreef PalmRoyale het volgende:
Het heeft idd fascistische trekken. Als de politie zo doorgaat dan kunnen ze als een binnenlandse agressor gezien worden en dan hebben de betogers het grondwettelijke recht om wapens tegen hen op te nemen.
Dat is niet te hopen. Laten ze het zo vreedzaam mogelijk houden.quote:Op zondag 20 november 2011 17:08 schreef PalmRoyale het volgende:
Ik hoop het ook niet maar het zou me niks verbazen dat gewapende milities zich bij de beweging aansluiten als de politie zo doorgaat. Ze slaan nu nog op vreedzame betogers in maar als dat gebeurd en ze goed getrainde gewapende milities tegenover zich hebben dan piepen ze wel anders.
Het is in ieder geval wel duidelijk dat het politieke en sociale landschap aan het veranderen is. De gevestigde orde voelt zich langzaam maar zeker in het nauw gedreven en zal nog hele rare sprongen maken in een poging hun macht te behouden.
Denk je dat de gewone mensen van Occupy, arbeiders en studenten, daar wat tegen zouden kunnen doen? Want zoiets kan natuurlijk nooit de bedoeling zijn.quote:Op zondag 20 november 2011 18:59 schreef PalmRoyale het volgende:
Het is bekend dat vele milities in de VS een grote afkeer hebben van de overheid en sommige van de meer extreme milities zijn bereid de grondwet met hun leven te verdedigen. Als het georganiseerde geweld tegen de beweging door blijft gaan zou dat het excuus zijn wat ze nodig hebben om met wapens tegen de overheid te vechten.
Ik hoop en denk niet dat het zal gebeuren maar het is wel degelijk een reeël gevaar.
quote:Occupy wall street Oakland neemt bezit van een nieuwe locatie
Anti-Wall Street protesters in Oakland pushed down a chain-link fence surrounding a city-owned vacant lot where they planned a new encampment.
Natuurlijk willen ze dat niet. Ik zeg alleen dat het geweld tegen de betogers een excuus voor milities kan zijn om wapens op te pakken.quote:Op zondag 20 november 2011 19:07 schreef Barbusse het volgende:
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Denk je dat de gewone mensen van Occupy, arbeiders en studenten, daar wat tegen zouden kunnen doen? Want zoiets kan natuurlijk nooit de bedoeling zijn.
Heel ranzig indd.quote:Op zondag 20 november 2011 15:05 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
Wat een smeerlappen om die jongeren zo te pepperen.
Het regime bepaald het geweldsniveau.quote:Op zondag 20 november 2011 19:07 schreef Barbusse het volgende:
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Denk je dat de gewone mensen van Occupy, arbeiders en studenten, daar wat tegen zouden kunnen doen? Want zoiets kan natuurlijk nooit de bedoeling zijn.
quote:US Occupy: officers in pepper spray incident placed on leave
YouTube footage from University of California, Davis protest sparks investigation as Occupy protests spread across state
Two University of California, Davis police officers involved in pepper spraying seated protesters are being placed on administrative leave as the chancellor of the school accelerates the investigation into the incident.
Chancellor Linda Katehi said she has been inundated with reaction over the incident, in which an officer dispassionately fired pepper spray on a line of sitting demonstrators.
Video of the incident was circulated widely on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter on Saturday, and the university's faculty association called on Katehi to resign, saying in a letter there had been a "gross failure of leadership".
Katehi said she takes "full responsibility for the incident" but has resisted calls for her resignation, instead pledging to take actions to make sure "that this does not happen again".However, a law enforcement official who watched the clip called the use of force "fairly standard police procedure".
In the video, an officer dispassionately pepper-sprays a line of sitting protesters who flinch and cover their faces but remain passive with their arms interlocked as onlookers shriek and scream out for the officer to stop.
The protest was held in support of the overall Occupy Wall Street movement and in solidarity with protesters at the University of California, Berkeley who were jabbed with batons by police on 9 November.
Charles J. Kelly, a former Baltimore Police Department lieutenant who wrote the department's use of force guidelines, said pepper spray is a "compliance tool" that can be used on subjects who do not resist, and is preferable to simply lifting protesters.
"When you start picking up human bodies, you risk hurting them," Kelly said. "Bodies don't have handles on them."
After reviewing the video, Kelly said he observed at least two cases of "active resistance" from protesters. In one instance, a woman pulls her arm back from an officer. In the second instance, a protester curls into a ball. Each of those actions could have warranted more force, including baton strikes and pressure-point techniques, Kelly said.
Images of police actions have served to galvanize support during the Occupy Wall Street movement, from the clash between protesters and police in Oakland last month that left an Iraq war veteran with serious injuries to more recent skirmishes in New York City, San Diego, Denver and Portland, Oregon.
Some of the most notorious instances went viral online, including the use of pepper spray on an 84-year-old activist in Seattle and a group of women in New York. Seattle's mayor apologised to the activist, and the New York Police Department official shown using pepper spray on the group of women lost 10 vacation days after an internal review.
In the video of this week's UC Davis protest, the officer, a member of the university police force, displays a bottle before spraying its contents on the seated protesters in a sweeping motion while walking back and forth. Most of the protesters have their heads down, but several are hit directly in the face. Some members of a crowd gathered at the scene scream and cry out. The crowd then chants, "Shame on you," as the protesters on the ground are led away. The officers retreat minutes later with helmets on and batons drawn.
Ten people were arrested at the protest. Nine students hit by pepper spray were treated at the scene, two were taken to hospitals and later released, university officials said.Elsewhere in California, police arrested six Occupy San Francisco protesters early on Sunday and dismantled a tent encampment in front of the Federal Reserve Bank.
Officer Albie Esparza said police and city crews took down about 12 tents. The six were arrested on charges of interfering with officers.
The raid came several hours after police and public works crews removed dozens of tents from the nearby Occupy camp at Justin Herman Plaza.
Earlier, several hundred protesters in Oakland tore down a chain-link fence surrounding a city-owned vacant lot and set up a new encampment five days after their main camp near City Hall was torn down.
"They obviously don't want us at the plaza downtown. We might as well make this space useful," Chris Skantz, 23, told the San Francisco Chronicle.
The Occupy Oakland protesters breached the fence and poured into the lot next to the Fox Theater on Telegraph Avenue, police said in a statement.
The protesters passed a line of police surrounding the lot without a struggle, used wire cutters to take down the fence and pulled down "no trespassing" signs, the Chronicle reported.
Police spokeswoman Johnna Watson said surrounding streets had been closed and officers were protecting nearby buildings
Watson said there had been no arrests or citations, but the city's position remains that no camping will be allowed and protesters cannot stay overnight.
quote:NYPD cops block Occupy Wall Street protestors from drumming outside Mayor Bloomberg’s townhouse
Occupy Wall Street protesters who were kicked out of their downtown “home” last week moved uptown Sunday, to lay siege to Mayor Bloomberg’s swank Upper East Side townhouse with drumming and chanting.
But cops closed down the block, one of the city’s most exclusive, forcing Bloomberg’s neighbors on E. 79th St. between Fifth and Madison to show ID to get past barricades.
City Hall officials did not say if the billionaire mayor was home to hear the commotion.
quote:‘Anonymous’ targets pepper-spraying policeman
The online “hacktivist” group Anonymous published the personal contact details on Monday of a California university policeman who used pepper spray on protesters, and it urged supporters to flood him with phone calls and emails.
YouTube videos of Friday’s incident on the campus of theUniversity of California, Davis have gone viral and led to the suspension of the college police chief, two police officers and calls for the chancellor to step down.
In the YouTube videos, one of which has received 1.44 million views, two university police officers in riot gear are seen spraying an orange mist on protesters sitting peacefully on the ground.
Following the spraying, the crowd begins chanting “Shame on you!”
A YouTube video on Monday purportedly from Anonymous published the home address, the home telephone number, the cellphone number and the email address of one of the policeman who allegedly used the pepper spray on protestors.
In the video, an artificially altered voice tells the “police forces of the world” that “brutalization of our citizens is both unjust and uncalled for.”
Specifically addressing the officer involved in the Davis incident, it said: “You are a coward, and a bully.”
“Flood his phones, email and mailbox to voice your anger,” it said.
A call to the cellphone number listed identified it as that of the police officer involved and said his voicemail box was full.
Anonymous has been involved in scores of hacking exploits including the recent defacing of a website of Syria’s Ministry of Defense to protest a bloody crackdown on anti-government protestors.
Last year, the shadowy group launched retaliatory attacks on companies perceived to be enemies of the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks.
quote:Op woensdag 19 oktober 2011 21:35 schreef arucard het volgende:
Ik bedoel, het is toch logisch dat er arrestaties plaatsvinden, als je duizenden mensen op een kluitje hebt voor 3 weken.
twitter:allisonkilkenny twitterde op dinsdag 22-11-2011 om 17:07:39RT @JeffSharlet: Egyptian activists ask Americans to go to Zuccotti Park for solidarity
Tahrir Square at 3 pm today. #ows reageer retweet
quote:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/22/pregnant-seattle-protester-miscarries-after-being-kicked-pepper-sprayed/
A woman who was pepper sprayed during during a raid on Occupy Seattle last week is blaming police after she miscarried Sunday.
Jennifer Fox, 19, told The Stranger that she had been with the Occupy protests since they started in Westlake Park. She said she was homeless and three months pregnant, but felt the need to join activists during their march last Tuesday.
“I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started moving in,” Fox recalled. “I was screaming, ‘I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.’”
She claimed that police hit her in the stomach twice before pepper spraying her. One officer struck her with his foot and another pushed his bicycle into her. It wasn’t clear if either of those incidents were intentional.
“Right before I turned, both cops lifted their pepper spray and sprayed me. My eyes puffed up and my eyes swelled shut,” Fox said.
Seattle Post-Intelligencer photographer Joshua Trujillo snapped a picture of Fox in apparent agony as another activist carried her to an ambulance.
Seattle fire department spokesman Kyle Moore told The Washington Post that a 19-year-old pregnant woman was among those that were examined by paramedics.
While doctors at Harborview Medical Center didn’t see any problems at the time, things took a turn for the worst Sunday.
“Everything was going okay until yesterday, when I started getting sick, cramps started, and I felt like I was going to pass out,” she explained.
When Fox arrived at the hospital, doctors told her that the baby had no heartbeat.
“They diagnosed that I was having a miscarriage. They said the damage was from the kick and that the pepper spray got to it [the fetus], too,” she said.
“I was worried about it [when I joined the protests], but I didn’t know it would be this bad. I didn’t know that a cop would murder a baby that’s not born yet… I am trying to get lawyers.”
The Scoville heat chart indicates that U.S. grade pepper spray is ten times more painful than the blistering hot habanero pepper, according to Scientific American. While law enforcement officials regulary claim that the spray is safe, researchers at the University of North Carolina and Duke University found that it could “produce adverse cardiac, respiratory, and neurologic effects, including arrhythmias and sudden death.”
http://www.huffingtonpost(...)kelly_n_1107332.htmlquote:Bill O'Reilly On UC Davis Pepper Spray: We Shouldn't Second-Guess Police (VIDEO)
First Posted: 11/22/11 08:27 AM ET Updated: 11/22/11 11:01 AM ET
Megyn Kelly and Bill O'Reilly discussed the shocking pepper-spray incident that rocked the UC Davis campus on Monday's "O'Reilly Factor."
Kelly called the pepper spray "a food product, essentially," but both wondered whether the particular mix the campus police used to repeatedly spray student protesters had been diluted. "A lot of experts are looking at that and saying, is this the real deal?" Kelly said, though she added that the spray was "obviously abrasive and intrusive."
She then said that it was not clear that the police had overstepped their boundaries, since they were trying to disperse a crowd practicing civil disobedience.
"I know that the tape looks bad," she said. "I agree it looks bad. All I'm saying is from a legal standpoint, I don't know that the cops did anything wrong."
O'Reilly was a tad less nuanced in his comments. "I don't think we have the right to Monday-morning quarterback the police," he said.
quote:Reporters For Right-Wing Publication Daily Caller Beaten By NYPD, Helped By Protesters
The right-wing Daily Caller website has been anything but kind to Occupy Wall Street, even going so far as to condemn the protest movement as generating riots, murder, and arson.
But when a couple of Daily Caller employees were at Occupy Wall Street this morning, it was the very protesters they had been demonizing who ended up helping them out. Daily Caller reporter Michelle Fields — who faced off with actor Matt Damon earlier this year over education policy — and videographer Direna Cousins both claim they were attacked by the New York Police Department (NYPD) while covering the raucous protests in the Financial District today. Fields added that Occupy Wall Street protesters immediately came up to her to offer their help:
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