Oorlog in Libië #103: Waar de meningen erg verdeeld zijn..

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Op vrijdag 22 juli 2011 18:18 schreef shameonyou het volgende:

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Dat heet nu een falseflag aanval van de NAVO.
Plaatsen een bom op eigen grondgebied en gebruiken dat als een reden om een vijand aan te vallen.

Verwachtte antwoord:NAVO zou zoiets noooooooooooit doen.

Antwoord:Operatie Gladio
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operatie_Gladio


En als Gadaffi dit gedaan heeft dan is het geen terroraanval. Maar gewoon een aanval op een "command and control center" van de NAVO die aanvallen op burgers uitvoert in Libye.

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Op vrijdag 22 juli 2011 18:18 schreef shameonyou het volgende:

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Dat heet nu een falseflag aanval van de NAVO.
Plaatsen een bom op eigen grondgebied en gebruiken dat als een reden om een vijand aan te vallen.

Verwachtte antwoord:NAVO zou zoiets noooooooooooit doen.

Antwoord:Operatie Gladio
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operatie_Gladio

En als Gadaffi dit gedaan heeft dan is het geen terroraanval. Maar gewoon een aanval op een "command and control center" van de NAVO die aanvallen op burgers uitvoert in Libye.

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Op vrijdag 22 juli 2011 11:53 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:
Rebellen zijn goed bezig in het zuiden.

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Nice! Jammer dat het gebied niet bij de No-Fly zone zit de NAVO kan ze niet helpen....

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Op vrijdag 22 juli 2011 18:54 schreef Weltschmerz het volgende:
- Hij gebruikt buitenlandse wreedaards tegen de eigen bevolking (komt me zeer bekend voor, kan er even niet opkomen)

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Op vrijdag 22 juli 2011 18:21 schreef shameonyou het volgende:
Nog meer oorlogsmisdaden door het nieuwe Libye:

Libya : Anti-Gaddafi Caught a Libyan Officer in Benghazi 20/03/2011

Zwaar mishandelde oorlogsgevangenen die gedwongen op video kom is een oorlogs misdaad onder het verdrag van Geneve.

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1 maand geleden schreef ogla5 1 op YouTube:

Story of the caught above libyan officer;

this officer; if he is the grand son of Salem Ahnesh , his grand father's farm at Al-Minshia , Tripoli, Libya. It is impossible for him to hurt or kill any libyan based on the family history, His grandfather is member of The Holly Shrine of Sidi El-Masri, Tripoli, Libya. Whom they fought the Italian Invasion fearlessly from1911 till 1924, Books in Italian, La Conquista di Tripolitania . Haj Aly El-Masri Memorial.

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4 uur geleden schreef WWWhiteRevolution op YouTube:

This is a warcrime dude.

You can NOT broadcast or torture Prisoners of WAR bij the conference of Geneve.

But we are used to that already from you terrorism-transporting fake Libye.

You are being used by the international bankers who will use you as debtslaves in the future.

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dovenews twitterde op zaterdag 23-07-2011 om 18:14:59 #Gaddafi wants to talk about him staying in power.....He needs new batteries for his hearing aid! I am sure @NATO will drop him some! reageer retweet

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Wounded Gaddafi soldier says morale of troops is low

MISRATA, Libya July 22 (Reuters) - Morale is low among troops fighting for Muammar Gaddafi on the front west of Misrata and many are reluctant to fight back against rebel attacks, a recently-wounded loyalist soldier told Reuters on Friday.

"Most of them are exhausted, especially as we approach the month of Ramadan," said the soldier, who spoke on condition his name and his hometown not be mentioned for fear of reprisals against his family. "They don't want to fight during Ramadan."

"They want everything to settle and we're all Libyan brothers," he added. "We don't want to harm each other."

Muslims observe the month of Ramadan by fasting during daylight hours and praying. It is traditionally a time families spend together. This year's Ramadan promises to be gruelling for Muslims, starting during the hot and dry month of August.

The soldier gave the interview from his bed at Misrata's Al Hikma hospital with no one in the room except Reuters staff, offering a rare insight into the morale in Gaddafi's camp.

The soldier said he was shot in the left thigh two or three days ago by rebel fighters on the front line that has been pushed amid heavy fighting and bombardment to around 40 kilometres (25 miles) west of Misrata.

That puts the front around 6 kilometres east of Zlitan, the largest city remaining between the rebels and the capital Tripoli 160 km away.

Rebel fighters in Misrata frequently say many of the young soldiers they come up against in combat seem reluctant to fight, an impression the young soldier confirmed.

"There is no organisation or planning," he said in a quiet voice. "Most times we withdraw."

TREATING BOTH SIDES

When asked why he had joined the fight against the rebels, the government soldier said he had been lied to at the military college he was attending when the uprising began.

"They didn't allow us to watch media channels," he said. "We were only allowed to watch Libyan (state) television."

"I was told (the rebels) were criminal gangs who mutilated bodies."

The soldier said he had expected to be treated badly when he was wounded and captured.

"I was treated with respect," he said. "I did not expect to be treated this well."

On a visit to the International Medical Corps field hospital behind the western front line on Wednesday, a Reuters team saw three wounded Gaddafi loyalists being treated as well as injured rebel fighters.

The hospital staff appeared to treat the patients according to the seriousness of their injury, not which side they were fighting on.

"We have treated those who were with us and those who were against us," said Faisal Mahmoud, a rebel fighter being treated at the hospital for a head injury and wounds to both arms sustained in a mortar attack this week.

The wounded Gaddafi loyalist said he was operated on before other rebel fighters injured the same day.

Both sides in the war that began with street protests across Libya for greater freedom back in February have accused the other of hiring mercenaries to fight. Rebels commonly refer to fighters from Chad or Algeria among Gaddafi's troops.

But the young soldier said "apart from a few people with strange dialects," he had not seen any sign of mercenaries.

Rebel commanders have also said recently they have encountered land mines ahead of Gaddafi loyalist positions, but the soldier said he was not aware of a major mining operation.

Asked what would happen to him when his wound was healed, the young man said he had been told he would be free to go.

"They told me that when things calm down 'we will send you back to your family and we will treat you well,'" he said.

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US checks reports of ship carrying arms for Libya

WASHINGTON, July 22 (Reuters) - The United States is investigating reports that a ship carrying weapons for Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's forces was allowed to dock in Algeria, which would be considered a violation of U.N. resolutions, a State Department official said on Friday.

The United States called on Algeria, if it was aware of the shipment, to stop it from reaching Gaddafi's forces.

Libyan opposition sources expressed concern about the ship, saying it was sailing under a Libyan flag, carrying weapons, and arrived on July 19 at the port of Djen Djen in Algeria, from where the cargo was being taken over the border into Libya.

"We have heard reports that a ship carrying arms to Gaddafi's regime was recently permitted to dock in Algeria and that these weapons are currently being transported overland into neighboring Libya," the State Department official told Reuters.

"The United States government is working to ascertain the veracity of these claims, which have only just come to light. If true, this would likely constitute a violation of U.N. Security Council Resolutions 1970 and 1973."

The United States this month formally recognized the rebel National Transitional Council as the legitimate interim government of Libya and has called on Gaddafi to step down.

The rebels have waged a five-month campaign seeking to oust Gaddafi, backed by NATO air strikes.

"The government of Algeria has told us on numerous occasions, and has stated publicly, that it has strictly adhered to all (U.N. Security Council resolutions) regarding the Libyan conflict," the State Department official said.

"We call on the government of Algeria to continue stringent enforcement of these resolutions and, if aware of this particular shipment of arms, to ensure that it does not reach Colonel Gaddafi's forces."

The Portuguese U.N. mission, which is chair of the Libya sanctions committee, said it had not received any notification of the alleged violation.

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Gaddafi aide wounded in Tripoli rocket attack-rebel

ROME, July 22 (Reuters) - A Libyan rebel official said on Friday that a member of Muammar Gaddafi's inner circle had been seriously wounded by a rocket attack on a room in Tripoli where senior Libyan officials were meeting.

Ali Essawi, in charge of foreign affairs for the rebels fighting Gaddafi, said one of the Libyan leader's sons, Saif al-Islam, Prime Minister al-Baghdadi Ali Al-Mahmoudi, intelligence chief Abdullah al-Senussi and an official named Mansour Daw were in the room at the time of the attack on Thursday.

Daw is a former bodyguard of Gaddafi who is a close aide.

"Yesterday there was a very strong signal in Tripoli -- that there was an attack (on) an operations room where there were senior and high, top-level officials including Saif al-Islam, al-Baghdadi Mahmoudi, Abdullah Senussi and Mansour, who (was) severely injured," Essawi told a news conference in Rome.

"We confirm this."

He did not say how he knew of the attack in the Gaddafi-held Libyan capital or who was behind it. Officials of Gaddafi's government were not immediately available for comment.

Italy's Foreign Minister Franco Frattini, who held talks with Essawi before they addressed reporters together, later said it was not clear which official had been seriously wounded, but that it was "probably" Daw.

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Brandstoftekort voor Libische rebellen in Misurata

De Libische rebellenstad Misurata kampt met een nijpend tekort aan brandstof, nadat Libische regeringstroepen een brandstofdepot van de stad hebben geraakt. Een raket heeft gezorgd voor een grote brand.

De meeste tankstations in de stad zijn gesloten sinds maandag. Automobilisten staan in een lange rij voor de pompen die nog wel open zijn.

De grote kuststad, met circa een half miljoen inwoners, is geheel omsingeld door troepen van de Libische leider Muammar Kaddafi. Eten en benzine komen over zee.

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Britten zetten Libisch ambassadepersoneel land uit, erkennen rebellenraad als regering
Het Verenigd Koninkrijk laat tegenover Reuters weten dat het de acht resterende Libische regeringsvertegenwoordigers het land uitzet. Volgens Sky News maakt dit de weg vrij voor leden van de rebellenraad om zitting te nemen in de Libische ambassade in het Verenigd Koninkrijk.

De Britse nieuwszender beweert tevens dat enkele van de ambassadeleden al hebben aangegeven naar Benghazi af te reizen omdat zij zich willen aansluiten bij de anti-regimebeweging. Volgens persbureau AP erkent het Verenigd Koninkrijk de Nationale Overgangsraad in Libië vanaf nu als legitieme volksvertegenwoordiging en regering.

De landen van de Libië Contact Groep erkenden de Nationale Overgangsraad twee weken geleden als de legitieme autoriteit in Libië. Volgens de Italiaanse minister van Buitenlandse Zaken Franco Frattini liet dat Moammar Gaddafi geen andere keuze dan op te stappen.

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Op woensdag 27 juli 2011 14:51 schreef Szura het volgende:
Schijnbaar is de Lockerbie-dader op de Libische tv verschenen bij een pro-Gaddafi-bijeenkomst.
Waarom hebben ze die hond ooit vrij gelaten Hij leeft na 2 jaar nog steeds.

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Libyan rebel forces rescue 100 hostages from behind enemy lines

Fighters celebrate after audacious raid frees families snatched from Misrata by government troops and held for three months

Rebel forces in the besieged Libyan city of Misrata have announced the rescue from behind enemy lines of 105 civilians kidnapped by pro-Gaddafi forces.

Commanders said the rescue of families on Sunday was planned in co-ordination with Nato.

The captives were seized in the Ghiran district of Misrata on 24 April while fierce fighting raged in the city.

Art student Hawa Ahmed, 20, said she was woken that morning by government soldiers banging at her door.

"They told us we had 10 minutes to leave, we had no time to take anything," she said.

The troops said they had orders to evacuate the city and ordered families into their own cars. Ahmed's mother and father were not at home so she, her younger sister and brother were taken in her uncle's car.

"We drove out of the city, there were nine people in our car," she said. "The soldiers were very rude, shouting at us. They gave us no food, no water."

The journey ended 50 miles south at the small desert village of Garara Qataf, where the army told them to find their own accommodation.

Local families took them in but conditions were crowded, with 24 people sharing the house Ahmed was assigned, and 50 in a neighbouring property.

Men in the group were subjected to interrogations by government troops, who also set up checkpoints at either end of the village.

"They called us in many times, asking us pointless questions," said one of the kidnapped men, Amran Jusef, 55.

"When Nato [planes] came all the Gaddafi soldiers would run and hide, they would run away from their vehicles. One group hid in the mosque."

Back in Misrata, the missing were assumed to have been kidnapped but nothing more was known. City officials say more than 1,000 people have been abducted from Misrata's suburbs by government troops.

Then came a breakthrough. Although phone networks in Misrata have collapsed, the government mobile phone network is still functioning.

One of the younger men in the kidnapped group had spent time with the Halbus brigade, one of the groups of rebel fighters in the city, and remembered the satellite phone number of a commander.

A mobile phone was obtained and the number dialled – to be answered by a surprised Halbus brigade soldier.

Commanders of the brigade – the best equipped formation in the city's rebel force, armed with tanks, artillery and pickup trucks carrying anti-aircraft guns – immediately formed a rescue plan.

"At first it was impossible to fetch them," said operations officer Elabed Ben Taher. "But then we pushed eastwards and the families contacted us."

The rebels say Nato has told them not to advance beyond current front lines, allowing bomber jets to strike any military target they see beyond it.

"We informed Nato so they knew our positions – we told them we're going to get some families," said Taher.

At dawn on Sunday morning the raiding force drove through a lightly defended part of the frontline. One bonus was that the kidnapped families had been left their cars, so a rendezvous outside Garara Qataf was arranged.

The families were woken by a phone call at dawn. "I didn't know we had the possibility to escape, but the rebels planned it for many weeks," said Ahmed.

"We were told to get ready at six in the morning. We were very scared."

Then came a final hitch, when the Halbus column came across a patrol of three government jeeps. A short gun battle ended in the destruction of two jeeps with the third one fleeing.

At 9am the Halbus units met the refugees, filming the encounter, then pulled back to the Misrata front line.

For the city's rebels, it was a small victory in a bitter campaign.

For Ahmed and her two siblings, there is joy at being reunited with their parents.

"We are over-happy to be back," she said. "I don't believe I'm here, it was a nightmare. A nightmare."

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Op woensdag 27 juli 2011 22:41 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

 
Libyan rebel forces rescue 100 hostages from behind enemy lines