Oorlog in Libië #99: Wanneer geeft Gaddafi zich over?

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Op maandag 16 mei 2011 13:34 schreef remlof het volgende:
Goed nieuws: Aanklager Strafhof wil arrestatie Kaddafi

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Op maandag 16 mei 2011 13:53 schreef waht het volgende:

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Dat zou hij nooit doen. Kadaffi blijft aan de macht of hij gaat dood, er is geen middenweg.

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Op maandag 16 mei 2011 12:28 schreef BloodhoundFromHell het volgende:

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Geen enkel staatshoofd/regeringsleider heeft geen bloed aan de handen.

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Op maandag 16 mei 2011 13:51 schreef BloodhoundFromHell het volgende:

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Hoezo goed nieuws, dit betekent alleen maar dat Khadaffi nooit vrijwillig zal opstappen.

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Koussa among defectors 'helping Nato bomb secret Gaddafi sites'

Gaddafi ex-loyalist is black box of regime, say Libyan officials as UK military calls for more air strikes despite deadly hostel hit

A network of Libyan defectors, including the former regime stalwart Moussa Koussa, are helping Nato to destroy Muammar Gaddafi's military sites, including bunker complexes from which much of the war has been run, according to senior officials in Libya.

Nato planners have stepped up their operations over the capital, Tripoli, and the western mountains in recent days, despite a strike on the eastern city of Brega early on Friday that killed up to 11 people, many of them Islamic clerics.

But British defence chiefs are applying pressure on other Nato countries to escalate the bombing campaign against Gaddafi amid deepening concerns that military action will end in stalemate.

Nearly two months since the start of air strikes, they fear divisions within Nato and at the UN will lead to fewer sorties just at a time when, they claim, the regime is starting to feel the pinch and even its core support showing signs of cracking.

Despite almost nightly air strikes, and increasing numbers of daylight attacks on the outskirts of Tripoli, the capital remains under regime control. The city is free of checkpoints and any opposition elements are maintaining a low profile. Discontent – for now – seems directed at France, Britain and Italy, whom residents blame for a critical fuel shortage.

But there is growing anger towards former regime loyalists, first among them Koussa, who defected to Britain in early April after more than 30 years as Gaddafi's most trusted henchman.

The former foreign minister and intelligence chief is understood to have passed on "invaluable" details of the dictator's police state, including the precise location of the regime's most sensitive sites.

"He was the 'black box' of the regime," said an unnamed official who worked with Koussa. "I was with him the day before he left and nobody knew that he was going to do that. Why did he do it? I'd say he must have been emotionally weak. Things must have got to him."

After spending a month in Britain, Koussa is now in Qatar, from where he is believed to be helping Nato map targets.

Publicly, the regime has vehemently attacked Nato for bombing sites it variously describe as either "civilian, or non-military". Libyan government spokesman, Moussa Ibrahim, described as "murderous and barbaric" the strike on the Brega guest house which killed the Imams.

But on Saturday a Dutch engineer, Freek Landmeter, claimed he had built a large bunker for the Gaddafi regime underneath the site in 1988. Landmeter provided GPS co-ordinates for the project which matched those provided by the regime on Friday for the guest house.

Another bunker site was bombed inside Gaddafi's Bab al-Aziziyah compound in Tripoli. A merry-go-round had been put 150 metres from a main entrance point and families had been invited to camp nearby as a show of support for the regime.

Nato described the Brega and Tripoli sites as "command and control centres'.

British military planners had urged Nato to re-prioritise its targets in Libya to include static sites, such as command and control centres, and not only those posing a direct and clear threat to Libyan civilians, such as tanks and artillery.

Well-placed UK government officials made this plain on Sunday as General Sir David Richards, chief of the defence staff, said he wanted the rules of engagement changed so attacks can be launched against the infrastructure propping up Gaddafi.

"The vice is closing on Gaddafi, but we need to increase the pressure further through more intense military action," Richards told the Sunday Telegraph.

"We now have to tighten the vice to demonstrate to Gaddafi that the game is up and he must go", he added. "We need to do more", Richards said. "If we do not up the ante now there is a risk that the conflict could result in Gaddafi clinging to power." Richards continued: "At present Nato is not attacking infrastructure targets in Libya. But if we want to increase the pressure on Gaddafi's regime then we need to give serious consideration to increasing the range of targets we can hit."

Liam Fox, the defence secretary, said on Sunday that a number of Nato countries were "less happy" with Britain's decision to extend the number of targets, to include command and control centres and what he called "intelligence networks".

Speaking on BBC1's Politics Show, he said: "Not all Nato countries take the same view." Fox added that if Gaddafi regime commanders chose to be in a command and control centre it was "a risk they take".

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Libische boot met explosieven ontdekt


De NAVO heeft voor de Libische kust een rubberboot met een ton explosieven ontdekt. Ook waren er twee levensgrote poppen aan boord, die als lokaas moesten dienen.

Volgens de NAVO gaat het om het eerste bewijs, dat de troepen van de Libische leider Muammar Kaddafi proberen om hulptransporten op zee met geïmproviseerde explosieven in gevaar te brengen. Er werd een tweede rubberboot ontdekt, die echter wist te ontkomen.

De boten waren vermoedelijk onderweg naar Misurata. Kaddafi's troepen legden daar eerder mijnen in de haven. NAVO-troepen wisten deze onschadelijk te maken.

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Op maandag 16 mei 2011 20:15 schreef Frutsel het volgende:
BBC- en Skyreporters in Tripoli maken weer melding van NATO bombardementen zojuist nabij een Khadaffi compound.
Zeker 5 zware explosies nabij het Rixos hotel

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Stone_SkyNews Mark Stone

To clarify number of explosions: some heard 3, some 4 & some 5. They r close together. Sometimes 1 explosion can project a couple of bangs.
But there was no doubt this was a big hit, very likely on #Gaddafi compound about 1km from our hotel. Been hit plenty of times now. #Libya
The danger is that there are plenty of 'voluntary' human shields who spend every hour in the compound. Even a Children's playground set up.

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Op maandag 16 mei 2011 16:08 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Deed ie toch al niet, dus?

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Op maandag 16 mei 2011 20:58 schreef BloodhoundFromHell het volgende:

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jawel, ik weet dat hij een stap terug zal doen onder de juiste voorwaarden.

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In 4 of in 5 stukken lijkt me voor iedereen een acceptabele oplossing.

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Op maandag 16 mei 2011 20:58 schreef BloodhoundFromHell het volgende:

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jawel, ik weet dat hij een stap terug zal doen onder de juiste voorwaarden. Hij wil meer de rol van vader des vaderlands op zich nemen als hoeder van de revolutie, waarbij zijn zoon Saif de veel meer de dagelijkse leiding van het land overneemt. Lijkt me voor iedereen een acceptabele oplossing.

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Op maandag 16 mei 2011 20:58 schreef BloodhoundFromHell het volgende:

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jawel, ik weet dat hij een stap terug zal doen onder de juiste voorwaarden. Hij wil meer de rol van vader des vaderlands op zich nemen als hoeder van de revolutie, waarbij zijn zoon Saif de veel meer de dagelijkse leiding van het land overneemt. Lijkt me voor iedereen een acceptabele oplossing.

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Reuters

Representatives of Gaddafi's government were expected in Moscow on Tuesday and Russia hopes to host rebel envoys soon, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said, casting Russia in the role of potential peacemaker.

"We are ready to conduct dialogue with all," he said at a meeting with the U.N. envoy for Libya, Abdelilah al-Khatib.

Lavrov repeated Russia's call for an end to fighting in Libya and the start of talks. "We are very, very interested in the swiftest halt to the bloodshed in Libya and its transfer into the channel of political dialogue."

The talks indicate Russia's desire to preserve its influence in Libya, where it has billions of dollars of arms, energy and infrastructure deals.

Meer...

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2.45pm: Nato has begun dropping leaflets over Libya urging soldiers to return home as part of a campaign of psychological warfare.

Speaking at a press briefing wing commander Mike Bracken said the messages also advised pro-regime troops to "to move away from any military equipment" that could be targeted by Nato's strike aircraft.

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Additional comments by FunGuerillaz:

Advance on Zliten, Tawergha and clashes there. Front lines didnt change much because regime forces have entrenched in Zliten, Tawergha and fell back to the Desert Road in the centre in Tawergha to cover their retreat; In Zliten to block the way to Tripoli. The Desert Road is also important to hold because it links Sirt & Tripoli. Getting it would be a serious blow to the regime. On events on the central front sector Tamena-Farms.

I dont have info about the central front sector (Tamena-Farms). Furthermore, the front line in the salt marsh does not really exist as in the salt marsh, there is no real front LINE. Anybody staying there with vehicles is a sitting duck for artillery. Therefore: no line.

Not advancing in the centre will be a problem because of possibility of regime forces in the centre to attack the flank at Zliten or Tawergha. On the other hand, advancing in the centre would enable to attack regime forces in Zliten and Tawergha in encircling movements.

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Libyan General to Brnieq: Mutassim died in NATO strike. Khamis died in Kamikaze attack & Gaddafi shot his chief of staff for refusing orders
Libyan General to Brnieq: Khamis Gaddafi died on the 20th of March 2011 after the Kamikaze attack on Bab Al Aziziya #libya #feb17
Libyan General to Brnieq: Abu Baker Younis Jaber, one of Gaddafi's main generals & chief of staff was shot by the latter for refusing orders

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Tunesië waarschuwt met stappen na Libische beschietingen

Tunesië dreigt naar de VN-Veiligheidsraad te stappen vanwege herhaaldelijke Libische raketbeschietingen.

Het land beschouwt deze incidenten als “vijandelijk gedrag” van Libië richting Tunesië en een gevaar voor de soevereiniteit. Dat meldt een Tunesische televisiezender naar aanleiding van een regeringsverklaring.

Meer volgt.

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Op dinsdag 17 mei 2011 19:56 schreef Ulpianus het volgende:

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Libyan General to Brnieq:
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Op dinsdag 17 mei 2011 20:24 schreef waht het volgende:
Het net sluit zich om Moammar.

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Op dinsdag 17 mei 2011 23:29 schreef svann het volgende:

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Dat blijkt telkens weer tegen te vallen.

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Op dinsdag 17 mei 2011 23:22 schreef svann het volgende:

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Die generaal is dus ook defected? Wanneer ook al weer?

En waar heb je dit eigenlijk allemaal vandaan geplukt?