Oorlog in Libië #98: Waar Gaddafi nog altijd op de troon zit...

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Op zondag 1 mei 2011 18:19 schreef johnnylove het volgende:
Zelden zoveel onzin gelezen en dat in enkele posten van een poster genaamd Bloodhound. Als je zo'n post leest vraag ik me af wat voor opleiding en opvoeding je hebt gehad? Echt hoe is je wereldbeeld om zulke onzin te posten?

Ik vind het diep triest dat je überhaupt van zulke gedachtegangen hebt.

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Op zondag 1 mei 2011 23:20 schreef Roi het volgende:
Nu moet de UN Gaddafi wel doden of minstens gevangen nemen, als hij blijft leven en vrij kan rondlopen zal hij zeker geld storten op de rekeningen van terroristische cellen in Europa. Zeker na de dood van een van zijn zonen.

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Op zondag 1 mei 2011 18:19 schreef johnnylove het volgende:
Zelden zoveel onzin gelezen en dat in enkele posten van een poster genaamd Bloodhound. Als je zo'n post leest vraag ik me af wat voor opleiding en opvoeding je hebt gehad? Echt hoe is je wereldbeeld om zulke onzin te posten?

Ik vind het diep triest dat je überhaupt van zulke gedachtegangen hebt.

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Op maandag 2 mei 2011 09:30 schreef BloodhoundFromHell het volgende:

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ik vind het diep triest dat hier bijna niemand blijkbaar nadenkt over de echte redenen van het geweld tegen Khadaffi en zijn volk.

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Op maandag 2 mei 2011 09:36 schreef Perrin het volgende:

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Khadaffi en zijn volk?

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TRIPOLI, May 2 (Reuters) - Crowds chanting support for Muammar Gaddafi gathered in Tripoli on Monday for the funeral of his son, killed in a NATO air strike that has raised questions about the West's role in the uprising against the Libyan leader.

Gaddafi's forces halted their bombardment of the port in the rebel-held city of Misrata after NATO air strikes but the port remained closed, a rebel spokesman said, thwarting efforts to bring supplies in by sea to the besieged city.

NATO planes also struck overnight on positions held by Libyan government forces near the rebel-held town of Zintan.

The developments highlighted the reliance of the faltering rebel movement on military backing from the West. But Saturday's NATO air raid on a Gaddafi compound, which the government says killed his 29-year-old son Saif al-Arab and three young grandchildren, added a new twist.

The announcement of the deaths triggered attacks by angry crowds on the British and French embassies and the U.S. diplomatic mission in Tripoli, and accusations from the Libyan officials that NATO had been trying to assassinate Gaddafi.

About 2,000 people carrying flags and pictures of Gaddafi turned out for the funeral. They pumped their fists in the air and vowed to avenge the death of Saif al-Arab.

"We are all with Gaddafi's Libya," read one placard.

Saif al-Arab's coffin, covered in flowers and wrapped in the green flag that has represented Libya since Gaddafi took power in a 1969 coup, was carried through the crowds to the grave at Hani cemetery in the Libyan capital.

Gaddafi did not appear to be at the funeral but Saif al-Islam, the most prominent of his seven sons, attended along with his elder half-brother Mohammed.

Saif al-Arab had no children but three of his nieces and nephews, all under three years old, were killed in Saturday's blast, the government says. They were the children of Saif al-Arab's siblings Hannibal, Aisha and Mohammed Gaddafi.
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Rebel chief pained by bloodshed in Gaddafi family

CAIRO May 1 (Reuters) - Rebel chief Mustafa Abdel Jalil said on Sunday he felt "pain and sorrow" even for Muammar Gaddafi's family following a NATO air strike on his house in Tripoli, but blamed the Libyan leader for the violence.

Gaddafi survived the air attacke on the dwelling but his youngest son, Saif al-Arab, and three grandchildren were killed, according to a government spokesman.

Abdel Jalil, speaking in comments broadcast on the Qatar-based Al Jazeera channel, also offered amnesty to Gaddafi supporters who abandon the Libyan leader and join the rebels.

"We feel pain and sorrow for any bloodshed, even when Gaddafi's house was bombed last night. We feel pain for any blood that is shed unjustly," Abdel Jalil said.

"But the blood of Gaddafi's sons is not more precious than the blood of Libyan men and women," he added.

Abdel Jalil said Gaddafi was to blame for the civil war.

"He bombed our cities and villages with rocket launchers and planes. He shed blood and killed children ...," he said.

Abdel Jalil urged Gaddafi supporters to join the rebels.

"You must abandon him and you will live with us in peace and security. Anyone who abandons Muammar Gaddafi in these moments will have peace and security for him and his family and will live with us in prosperity in the future."

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Op dinsdag 3 mei 2011 15:16 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
dit gaat écht te ver

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Op dinsdag 3 mei 2011 15:16 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
dit gaat écht te ver

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Dutch Sweep Libyan Mines
NATO maritime forces near the Libyan port of Misrata detected a number of small vessels earlier today and, when investigating suspicious activity, disrupted mine-laying operations by pro-Qadhafi forces designed to threaten the flow of humanitarian aid into Libya.

The sea-mines were being laid two to three kilometers offshore and in the approaches to Misrata by deliberately sinking the inflatable boats on which they were being carried. Three mines have been found and are being disposed of on site.

NATO warned the Misrata port authorities who temporarily closed the facility resulting in two humanitarian ship movements being cancelled.

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Op woensdag 4 mei 2011 12:54 schreef waht het volgende:

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Hulpschip bereikt eindelijk belegerde stad Misurata

De in het nauw gedreven inwoners van de Libische havenstad Misurata hebben eindelijk weer hulp gekregen via zee. Een schip met 180 ton goederen arriveerde woensdag in de stad.

Sinds zaterdag was de haven onbereikbaar, omdat troepen van dictator Moammar Kadhafi mijnen in het water hadden geplaatst en de haven bestookten met raketten. De NAVO heeft de mijnen de afgelopen dagen geruimd.

Misurata is via land onbereikbaar. De krijgsmacht van Kadhafi heeft de stad hermetisch afgesloten van de buitenwereld. Misurata is het belangrijkste bolwerk van het verzet tegen Kadhafi's bewind in het westen van het Noord-Afrikaanse land.

De Internationale Organisatie voor Migratie meldde woensdag dat het schip de Red Star was gearriveerd in de haven van Misurata. De Red Star zal circa duizend migranten, voornamelijk afkomstig uit Niger, evacueren uit de stad. Ook worden gewonden meegenomen voor medische verzorging.

Een woordvoerder van de rebellen stelde dat de troepen van Kadhafi de haven van Misurata woensdag opnieuw onder vuur hebben genomen. Zeker vijf mensen zouden om het leven zijn gekomen.

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martinevanhagen martine van hagen
specifieke aanval uit vooral Rusland op websites van de #Wereldomroep #RNW

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jonathanmarks Jonathan Marks
Bearing in mind ICC and Tamoil affairs, DDos attack more likely to be from Libya. #Wereldomroep has never targeted Russia.

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Op dinsdag 3 mei 2011 18:46 schreef BeSimple het volgende:

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Ja dan kopen ze hun wapens ipv dat we ze geven. Vind ik zelf veel beter! Jammer alleen dat bijvoorbeeld in een land Syria ze geen olie hebben dus daar nooit een gewapende rebellie tegen een afschuwelijke dictatuur kunnen beginnen. Maar beter iets dan niets.

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Op woensdag 4 mei 2011 18:52 schreef sjoebalka het volgende:

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vindt ik niet, geld en wapens geven aan een stelletje onopgeleide idioten... Daarnaast willen de VN '' de bevolking beschermen'' en willen ze relatief onpartijdig blijven, dat doe je niet door een oorlog te financieren....

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Libyan leaders face arrest on war crimes charges

Gaddafi regime systematically opened fire on peaceful protests, says International Criminal Court prosecutor

The Gaddafi regime committed war crimes against Libyan pro-democracy demonstrations, opening fire "systematically" on peaceful protesters, according to a report issued by the prosecutor for the International Criminal Court (ICC), who will seek arrest warrants against Muammar Gaddafi and two other senior members of his regime later this month.

Addressing the UN security council in New York, the prosecutor, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, said he will ask judges at the court in The Hague for three warrants. He has not named his suspects but in his report to the UN security council on Wednesdayhe said they were the people who gave the orders for the alleged atrocities. The Guardian has learned from well-informed sources that Gaddafi will top the list, and that his brother-in-law and intelligence chief, Abdullah Senussi, is also likely to be included.

Other names in the frame include the leader's second oldest son Saif al-Islam and Mahmoud Al-Baghdadi, in effect, the nation's prime minister.

"It is indeed a characteristic of the situation in Libya that massive crimes are reportedly committed upon instruction of a few persons who control the organisations that execute the orders," Moreno-Ocampo said. He added that the arrests were a manner of urgency.

"Justice is on course today; however, if those who order the crimes are not stopped and arrested murder, persecution, systematic arrests, torture, killings, enforced disappearances and attacks against unarmed civilians will continue unabated" the prosecutor said.

In the course of a two-month preliminary investigation, Moreno-Ocampo's investigators found widespread evidence of crimes against humanity.

"Concerning the manner and nature of the crimes, the shooting at peaceful protesters was systematic, following the same modus operandi in multiple locations and executed through security forces. The persecution appears to be also systematic and implemented in different cities. War crimes are apparently committed as a matter of policy," the report said. Moreno-Ocampo said thousands of people had died since the beginning of the conflict.

As well as the use of live ammunition against unarmed demonstrators, the ICC investigation found evidence of a range of abuses including torture, systematic rape, the use of cluster munitions and other heavy weaponry in urban areas, the use of civilians as human shields and the blocking of humanitarian supplies.

"Civilians in Tripoli and other areas are reportedly subject to different forms of persecution because of their suspected association with the uprising," the report stated. "Systematic arrests, torture, killings, deportations, enforced disappearances and destruction of mosques have been reported in Tripoli, Al Zawiyah, Zintan and the area of the Nafousa mountains. The victims are allegedly civilians who participated in demonstrations or talked to international media, activists, journalists, as well as citizens of Egypt and Tunisia that were arrested and expelled en masse because of their perceived association with the popular uprising."

The ICC prosecutor's office is also looking into several reports that anti-government crowds attacked and killed "dozens" of immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa, who were suspected of being pro-Gaddafi mercenaries.

"A number of Sub-Saharan Africans were allegedly arrested by the new authorities in Benghazi and it is unclear whether they were innocent immigrant workers or prisoners of war," the report said.

The report was commissioned by the security council on 26 February when it referred the case to the ICC. The investigation is highly significant politically as Nato went to war in Libya on "humanitarian grounds", on the strength of security souncil resolution 1970 authorising "all necessary measures" to protect civilians. If the court approves the arrest warrants it will help insulate the alliance against international criticism of his prolonged campaign in Libya.

Moreno-Ocampo will present his first application for an arrest warrant to the ICC's pre-trial chamber, expected to convene in mid-May.

"It will focus on those most responsible for crimes against humanity committed in the territory of Libya since 15 February 2011," he told the security council.

If the judges grant his request, the question will be who should carry out the arrests. Moreno-Ocampo will say that if the Libyan government fails to act, the security council itself "should evaluate" how to do it. It is unclear whether Russia or China would veto the authorisation of Nato to carry out the arrests. That would most likely involve sending troops into Tripoli.

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Gaddafi targets relief ship as it evacuates Misrata wounded in Libya

Muammar Gaddafi's forces bombard port in Misrata as humanitarian ship tries to evacuate foreign migrants

Muammar Gaddafi's forces have bombarded the port of the besieged city of Misrata while a humanitarian ship was evacuating hundreds of foreign migrants and injured Libyan civilians, killing up to five members of a migrant family.

The Red Star 1, a ferry chartered by the International Organisation for Migration, had been forced to wait outside Misrata for four days after loyalist troops planted sea mines and pounded the harbour with missiles.

The port controller has finally given the ship the go-ahead to dock following a lull in shelling. But as containers of food and medical supplies were being unloaded from the ship, up to a dozen missiles were fired into the area of the port where migrant workers were gathered.

Witnesses said one missile hit a Nigerian or Ghanaian family, killing at least two children and their mother. Others said that the father and a third child had also died.

Julius Chuks, a 35-year-old Nigerian welder, said: "When the attacks started, everyone just started running, though we did not know where to run to. We are very lucky to be alive."

The bombardment caused panic on the ship, with some of the crew keen to leave without boarding the migrant workers or injured people, fearing another missile attack.

Having somehow gained access to the port, dozens of Libyan families desperate to leave Misrata tried to force their way on to the ship, many of them successfully, causing rebel soldiers to fire in the air.

More than 800 migrants, most from sub-Saharan Africa, who have been waiting for weeks to leave Misrata, arrived soon after, packed into trucks. Many of them had been unable to even bring a suitcase along due to the chaos and rush that followed the shelling of their camp.

About 35 injured or critically ill Libyans were wheeled on to the car deck, where makeshift wards had been set up. Shortly after departure, the boat returned to the quay to unload one of the patients, after doctors on board judged would not survive the 20-hour sea voyage. About 100 African migrants were unable to board the ship due to a lack of space.

Finally, in the early afternoon, the Red Star left the port and set sail into the Mediterranean towards Benghazi, the rebel capital in eastern Libya.

"When we came to Misrata before, there was shelling, but this was the closest to the port," said Othman Belbeisi, the head of mission for the IOM, which has evacuated about 5,500 people from Libya's third biggest city since March.

"It was a very dangerous situation, and the captain wanted to leave when the attack started. But we had to take the risk of staying because it was impossible to leave behind the migrants and the medical cases."

Gaddafi, whose forces have been largely defeated in Misrata by the rebels' citizen army, has pledged to shut the port, saying it was being used to ferry in light weapons from Benghazi. But many people in Misrata believe that he is trying to starve them out, as the port is the city's lifeline, allowing in food and other basic goods.

On board the Red Star 1, some of the migrants spoke of their ordeals.

"When the fighting started in Misrata we had to stay indoors all the time," said Samuel Ampansa, a 28-year-old mason from Ghana.

"When I finally reached the camp at the port, conditions were bad. There was so much bombing, and we had to run like cats and dogs," he added.

The bombardment of the migrants' camp, like so many attacks in the war to date, exposed as a lie Gaddafi's claim that he is not targeting civilians. After two days during which the port had not been shelled, the attack appeared timed to coincide with the humanitarian ship's arrival.

Since the start of the evacuation of migrants early last month, around 15 have been killed by shells fired by Gaddafi's troops.

Despite the ongoing violence, many of the migrants on the ship were initially reluctant to leave Libya since they had endured difficult – and illegal – journeys through the Sahara desert just to get there in the first place.

Mabel Joseph, 27, who is four months pregnant, said she had only decided to return home when Libya's civil war reached the neighbourhood where she was staying a few weeks ago, leaving many dead. "I just made up to mind to leave at that time. I was making good money but I will not return. We regret ever coming to Misrata," she said.

Aslem Orubor, 28, a diesel mechanic from Nigeria, was on the boat with his wife, Maureen, and daughter Natasha, who is one. He said: "We were so scared for the two weeks we lived in the camp. Even our baby is affected by all the noise of the bombing."

Mamumuddin Bachuminia, 30, from Bangladesh, said Gaddafi's troops had ransacked his house, taking his mobile phone, television and his money. "Lots of people were killed. We need to go home," he said.

Salim el-Goumati, a 54-year-old Libyan man, reached the deck of the ship and burst into tears. Out of a small plastic bag, the only item he carried, he retrieved photos of two of his young children, aged eight and five. They were in Tripoli, with his wife and a third, smaller, child. He had not heard from them since the start of the revolution, he said. Now, his house had been destroyed by Gaddafi's missiles, and he had lost everything.

"Libyans are good people. But look what he [Gaddafi] has done to us."

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Translation (Sung in Amazigh):
Where do you want us to go?
Give me your hand
So we can go to Benghazi
The City of Freedom
So we can go to Zawiya
The City of Marytyrs
So we can go to Zintan
The City of Knights
And in the end Libya will be free, and we will live in love and tranquility

Revolutionaries in the Nafoosa Mountains, located south west of Tripoli, sing together around a campfire. This region has been under bombardment by tanks shells and rockets after they rose up against Gaddafi's dictatorship.

Libyan Revolutionaries Sing Around Campfire