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  dinsdag 12 april 2011 @ 16:54:55 #51
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 12 april 2011 15:45 schreef maartena het volgende:

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De Japanse overheid zegt nu in ieder geval dat de uitstoot van radioactiviteit, op ongeveer 10% ligt van dat van Chernobyl.

Ernstig genoeg in ieder geval dus.
Ja, momenteel. Maar het leed is nog lang niet geleden.... Elke dag dat die centrales niet onder controle komen, komt er meer vrij. En het ziet er niet naar uit dat het spoedig gefixt is. 't is een ware ramp.
  dinsdag 12 april 2011 @ 18:41:17 #52
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 12 april 2011 11:57 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
damnz... opgeschaald naar niveau 7 :o
Ramp kernreactor Fukushima opgeschaald tot Tsjernobyl-niveau
Niveau 6 is ook gewoon overgeslagen... Het verbaasd me hoe snel de media in Nederland "moe" zijn van deze ramp, je leest er amper nog iets over, terwijl het een serieus heel groot probleem is.
censuur :O
  † In Memoriam † dinsdag 12 april 2011 @ 19:57:27 #53
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 12 april 2011 18:41 schreef RemcoDelft het volgende:

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Het verbaasd me hoe snel de media in Nederland "moe" zijn van deze ramp, je leest er amper nog iets over, terwijl het een serieus heel groot probleem is.
Na twee weken verslapt de aandacht. Niet alleen van de media maar ook het publiek. Je kan er verontwaardigd over zijn maar zo gaat het altijd. Zo zitten we in elkaar.

Eerst willen we alle details weten en daarna alleen nog maar de hele grote lijnen.

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1s.gif Op dinsdag 12 april 2011 18:41 schreef RemcoDelft het volgende:

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Niveau 6 is ook gewoon overgeslagen... Het verbaasd me hoe snel de media in Nederland "moe" zijn van deze ramp, je leest er amper nog iets over, terwijl het een serieus heel groot probleem is.
Het stond wel in de kranten hoor. Maar kan me er iets bij voorstellen dat Alphen nu even meer aandacht vraagt. Het hemd is toch nader dan de rok.
Als het niet wil branden moet je beter stoken.
  dinsdag 12 april 2011 @ 21:41:55 #55
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 12 april 2011 15:43 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Een aantal van die radioactieve elementen hoopt zich inderdaad op in vis. Dat was ook het eerste waar ikzelf aan moest denken vanaf het begin van de ramp ( ik eet soms bijna 1kg sardientjes per week :@. Gelukkig komen "mijn" sardientjes uit de South Atlantic)
Ik hoop op een visverbod daar (zal er al wel zijn). En dan over 10 jaar zit daar ineens heel veel vis, omdat daar dan een soort onbedoeld reservaat komt..
  dinsdag 12 april 2011 @ 21:45:59 #56
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Hoe zit het met de straling in Nederland?
  dinsdag 12 april 2011 @ 22:03:24 #57
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 12 april 2011 21:45 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
Hoe zit het met de straling in Nederland?
Meetbaar, maar verwaarloosbaar. Denk ik. De berichten die ik erover vind zijn nog van maart, niks nieuws.
  dinsdag 12 april 2011 @ 22:08:00 #58
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 12 april 2011 22:03 schreef gebrokenglas het volgende:

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Meetbaar, maar verwaarloosbaar. Denk ik. De berichten die ik erover vind zijn nog van maart, niks nieuws.
daarom twijfel ik er zo hard aan.
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 12 april 2011 22:08 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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daarom twijfel ik er zo hard aan.
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  dinsdag 12 april 2011 @ 23:49:24 #60
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 12 april 2011 22:03 schreef gebrokenglas het volgende:
Meetbaar, maar verwaarloosbaar. Denk ik. De berichten die ik erover vind zijn nog van maart, niks nieuws.
De westkust van de VS is, buiten Japan zelf natuurlijk, het land wat de meeste straling te verduren krijgt, vanwege de hoge luchtstromen over de Grote Oceaam.

Daar woon ik dus. ;) Er is opgemerkt dat er minuscule waarden zijn aangetroffen in melk, en groenten die uit centraal-california komen. Maar nog steeds zo minuscuul, dat als je een jaar lang elke dag die melk drinkt, en die groente eet, dat je ongeveer dezelfde straling krijg als 1 cat-scan in een ziekenhuis, of een retourvlucht van west naar oost, en weer terug naar west.

Kortom: niet echt iets om je druk over te maken, men raad alleen aan om de melk niet aan babies en kleine kinderen te geven. Er is trouwens genoeg melk uit andere delen van de VS te krijgen, dus niemand maakt zich ergens druk om.

http://www.ksby.com/news/(...)-county-milk-sample/

http://www.krcrtv.com/news/27391914/detail.html
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  † In Memoriam † woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 01:02:24 #61
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 12 april 2011 23:49 schreef maartena het volgende:

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Maar nog steeds zo minuscuul, dat als je een jaar lang elke dag die melk drinkt, en die groente eet, dat je ongeveer dezelfde straling krijg als 1 cat-scan in een ziekenhuis, of een retourvlucht van west naar oost, en weer terug naar west.
Appels en peren. Het mogelijk binnenkrijgen van deeltjes kun je niet vergelijken met een CT scan of een vliegreis. Sommige deeltjes kun je niet eens detecteren zonder heel gevoelige apparatuur. Krijg je ze echter binnen doen ze enorm veel schade aan de omringende cellen.

Ik weet niet waarom dit steeds in de media terugkomt. Als men alarmisme wil tegengaan oid zou het helpen dat men feitelijk blijft.
  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 01:58:23 #62
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Hoe dan ook, ik slaap er niet minder om momenteel.
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  † In Memoriam † woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 06:10:17 #63
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1s.gif Op woensdag 13 april 2011 01:58 schreef maartena het volgende:
Hoe dan ook, ik slaap er niet minder om momenteel.
Ik zeg ook nergens dat je er zorgen over moet maken oid.

Al hoef ik voorlopig geen vis uit die contreien.
  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 09:38:26 #64
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 12 april 2011 21:41 schreef Rubber_Johnny het volgende:

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Ik hoop op een visverbod daar (zal er al wel zijn). En dan over 10 jaar zit daar ineens heel veel vis, omdat daar dan een soort onbedoeld reservaat komt..
De omgeving van Chernobyl heeft nu ook opeens weer allerlei diersoorten die daar allang waren uitgestorven.
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 09:44:22 #65
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 12 april 2011 19:57 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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Na twee weken verslapt de aandacht. Niet alleen van de media maar ook het publiek. Je kan er verontwaardigd over zijn maar zo gaat het altijd. Zo zitten we in elkaar.

Eerst willen we alle details weten en daarna alleen nog maar de hele grote lijnen.

Weet iemand hoe ik de Bq/m3 kan omrekenen naar een toename in het Sv/hr getal dat ik in dat geval zou moeten meten ten gevolge van de extra radioactiviteit?

Edit: Okee, als mijn berekening klopt dan levert een "vervuiling" van 10 Bq/m3 (de meest radioactieve zone in het plaatje) een verhoging van het stralingsniveau van 0,03 uSv/h terwijl de normale natuurlijke achtergrondstaling ca 0,1 uSv/h is. Niks aan de hand dus.

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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 10:10:52 #66
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Btw, dit heb ik gemeten niet zover hier vandaan:

Bodemsample :P
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 10:40:01 #67
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Japan admits delay in relaying toxic water dumping info to embassies
TOKYO, April 13, Kyodo

Foreign Minister Takeaki Matsumoto admitted Wednesday that Tokyo failed to notify all the embassies in Japan beforehand of the April 4 start of dumping low-level radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean, following criticism from countries such as South Korea and Russia.

Matsumoto told the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee that the Foreign Ministry finished disseminating information on the discharge of toxic water from the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi plant shortly after the operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. began dumping the liquid.

''It is true that our notification was sent after the water discharge started, but communication channels have since been improved'' with foreign diplomatic missions in Japan and international organizations, Matsumoto said in response to questions by an opposition lawmaker.

After receiving the information from a government-TEPCO taskforce around 3:30 p.m. on April 4, it conveyed it to diplomats from some 50 countries, or one-third of all nations with embassies in Japan, in a regular briefing from 4 p.m. and sent it via e-mail and fax to others by 7:05 p.m., which was two minutes after the water discharge began, ministry officials said.

''We are sorry that we were late, even by two minutes, in relaying information. We are making efforts to notify other countries, especially Japan's neighbors that could be affected in a more careful manner,'' Foreign Press Secretary Satoru Sato said at a news conference.

Tokyo was criticized last week by neighboring countries such as South Korea and Russia for its failure to provide thorough information in advance regarding the tainted water discharge.

==Kyodo
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 10:41:29 #68
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NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO seeks to restart No. 3 reactor of nuclear plant in Niigata
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 10:48:49 #69
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Ik heb veel met Japanners gewerkt (ook af en toe in Japan zelf) en ik vind het hele verloop van deze crisis zo herkenbaar. De manier waarop informatie naar buiten komt, trage besluitvorming, etc. De Japanse cultuur gaat gewoon niet goed samen met crisis management. Precies de dingen die ze zo sterk maken als het gaat om lange termijn strategie zijn een zwakte als het gaat om reageren op een onverwachte crisis.
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 10:51:24 #70
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Edano aware in March that nuke crisis could be raised to worst level
TOKYO, April 13, Kyodo

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Wednesday he was aware in late March of the possibility that the status of the ongoing nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant could be raised to the worst level, but the decision did not come until later because of inconclusive data.

Japan's new assessment, raising the crisis to the highest level of 7 on an international scale, was announced Tuesday, about a month after a magnitude 9.0 earthquake and tsunami crippled the plant and caused radiation leaks, fueling widespread criticism that the government has acted belatedly.

The assessment now puts the situation at the Fukushima plant situation on a par with the 1986 Chernobyl catastrophe.

Edano told a news conference Wednesday that two government-related nuclear bodies said in late March that their crisis assessment estimates were based on radiation monitoring data from only three locations.

''The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency and the Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan said they could not vouch for the certainty of their estimates, so I told them to make a thorough, reliable analysis as soon as possible,'' said the top government spokesman, who added that he was informed Monday about the forthcoming change in assessment.

The government's nuclear agency on Tuesday upgraded its provisional evaluation based on an estimate that radioactive materials far exceeding the criteria for level 7 have so far been released into the external environment.

On the same day, Seiji Shiroya of the nuclear commission, a government panel, said in a news conference that he was aware as of March 23 that the crisis might be elevated to level 7, but left the decision to the agency because the assessment was the agency's responsibility.

On March 18, the agency provisionally set the level at 5, the same as the 1979 Three Mile Island accident in the United States.

Edano defended the way the government has handled the process leading up to Tuesday's announcement, saying, ''We have repeatedly issued instructions to relevant entities to fully disclose various information.''

He also said that Japan's safety standards will not immediately change as a result of the assessment upgrading because the level was based on additional analysis of existing data.

At the same time, the chief Cabinet secretary admitted that a proper assessment could have been possible more quickly if more extensive radiation monitoring data had been collected earlier.

''I believe we would have been able to make various decisions at an earlier stage if more monitoring of radioactive materials in the areas surrounding the plant had been conducted at more locations,'' Edano said.

==Kyodo
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 10:59:36 #71
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Tokyo (CNN) -- The president of Tokyo Electric Power Company, the business at the heart of Japan's nuclear crisis, apologized again Wednesday, a day after the situation there was designated a Chernobyl-level nuclear accident.

Masataka Shimizu, the president of the power company, also said he is working with the government to create a plan to privide short-term compensation to the many affected by the nuclear crisis.

"I regret the fact we are inconveniencing all these people, I want to take this opportunity to apologize," Shimizu said.

His speech comes after Japan's prime minister vowed to wind down the month-long crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant "at all costs."

Prime Minister Naoto Kan said he wants Tokyo Electric Power Company, to produce a timetable for bringing the disaster to an end, "and they will be doing that soon."

Shimizu did not provide a detailed timetable during his speech Wednesday but said his company is working to stop harmful materials from going into the atmosphere "as soon as possible."

Japan declared the Fukushima Daiichi crisis a Level 7 event on the international system for rating nuclear accidents Tuesday, putting it on par with the 1986 Chernobyl disaster in the former Soviet Union. The top-scale designation was based on the massive release of radioactivity since the accident began, particularly in its early days, and classifies Fukushima Daiichi a "major accident" requiring long-term countermeasures.

"At all costs, all the reactors and the spent nuclear fuel pools must be brought under control so that we can prevent a further expansion of the damage," Kan said.

Tetsunari Iida, a former nuclear engineer-turned-industry critic, told CNN the declaration has no immediate practical impact on the crisis. But it's a sign that Japanese regulators have rethought their earlier assessments of the disaster, said Iida, who now runs an alternative energy think-tank in Tokyo.

Shimizu already issued an apology Tuesday for the disaster and the "enormous anxiety" it has caused after the Level 7 designation.

"We would like to stabilize the situation as soon as possible, and we are working on the measures and steps to cool the reactors and prevent the spread of nuclear substances," he said. "While continuing to ask for the support and cooperation of the government, the ministries, and the municipalities, we would like to maintain close communication with them, and we will make the utmost effort to bring the situation to an end."

Scientists believe the amount of radiation released is only a tenth of what was released at Chernobyl, said Hidehiko Nishiyama, the chief spokesman for Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency. But the levels for radioactive iodine and cesium that have been spewed into the air, water and soil around the plant are in the thousands of trillions of bequerels -- 15 times higher than the threshold for a top-scale event, according to figures released by the safety agency Tuesday morning.

The crisis began with the March 11 earthquake and tsunami that devastated northern Japan. The tsunami knocked out the plant's cooling systems, leaving operators with no way to keep the three operational reactors from overheating after they shut down.

Engineers are now pumping hundreds of tons of water a day into the damaged reactors to keep them cool, but Tokyo Electric said long-term solutions must wait until it can get the highly contaminated water out of the basements of the units' turbine plants. In addition, more water is being poured into pools housing spent but still-potent fuel rods in units 1-3 as well as unit 4, which had no fuel in the reactor at the time of the quake.

The work has been complicated over the past five days by a series of powerful aftershocks that have forced workers to clear out of the units and seek shelter.

Evacuation orders have so far covered about 85,000 people inside the 20-kilometer (12.4-mile) zone, while another 62,000 within 30 kilometers have been told to stay inside, Fukushima prefecture officials told CNN. Japan's government said it had no estimate of the number of people who would be covered by the new directives.

CNN's Kyung Lah, Whitney Hurst, Junko Ogura, Matt Smith contributed to this report

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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 11:03:35 #72
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NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO ordered to check quake resistance of Fukushima reactor buildings

NEWS ADVISORY: Nuke agency orders TEPCO to examine tsunami damage details at Fukushima plant
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 14:51:53 #73
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Radiation in Tokyo returns to pre-disaster level
TOKYO, April 13, Kyodo

The maximum radiation level in Tokyo in the 16 hours through 9 a.m. Wednesday fell to the normal range seen before the occurrence of the nuclear disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi plant on March 11, the science ministry said.

The level fell to 0.079 microsieverts per hour from the maximum level of 0.093 microsieverts detected Monday to Tuesday, returning to the pre-disaster range for Tokyo at 0.028-0.079 microsieverts, according to the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology.

Among other areas, the maximum radiation level in Mito, Ibaraki Prefecture, fell to 0.142 microsieverts from 0.159 microsieverts. The pre-disaster range there was 0.036-0.056 microsieverts.

The level in Sendai, Miyagi Prefecture, where the pre-disaster range was 0.0176-0.0513 microsieverts, dropped to 0.080 microsieverts from 0.084 microsieverts, it said.

But the maximum radiation level in the city of Fukushima, Fukushima Prefecture, home to the crippled nuclear power plant, leveled off at 2.100 microsieverts against the pre-disaster range of 0.037-0.046 microsieverts.

The maximum radiation level in Namie, Fukushima, located 30 kilometers northwest of the nuclear plant, stood at 26.4 microsieverts at 4:20 p.m. Tuesday.

A human being receives radiation of 50 microsieverts from one chest X-ray.

==Kyodo
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 14:53:11 #74
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Development of German-style eco-town eyed after nuclear crisis
TOKYO, April 13, Kyodo

Prime Minister Naoto Kan is considering developing an environmentally friendly town with a population of about 50,000 to 100,000 in the event residents need to leave their homes near the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant for many years, a person close to the premier said Wednesday.

Kan is thinking of designing a downtown area ''modeled on a German garden city,'' Kenichi Matsumoto, a renowned writer who serves as a special adviser to the Cabinet, told reporters after a meeting with the premier.

Matsumoto, also a historian, said he proposed the idea of creating such an eco-town somewhere in an inland area during the meeting, adding that Kan was supportive of his idea.

Matsumoto also said the candidate area where people affected by the nuclear crisis could be migrated is already in ''the premier's minds.''

The idea of building an eco-town will most likely be discussed by the Reconstruction Design Council, launched on Monday -- exactly one month after the most powerful earthquake and tsunami in Japan's history.

The council will hold its first meeting on Thursday. Its members include internationally known architect Tadao Ando.

==Kyodo
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1s.gif Op woensdag 13 april 2011 10:48 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Ik heb veel met Japanners gewerkt (ook af en toe in Japan zelf) en ik vind het hele verloop van deze crisis zo herkenbaar. De manier waarop informatie naar buiten komt, trage besluitvorming, etc. De Japanse cultuur gaat gewoon niet goed samen met crisis management. Precies de dingen die ze zo sterk maken als het gaat om lange termijn strategie zijn een zwakte als het gaat om reageren op een onverwachte crisis.
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Wat moet ik me bij die Duitse "eco towns" voorstellen? Welke Duitse steden heeft men daarbij in gedachten?
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 15:21:57 #77
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TEPCO confirms damage to part of No. 4 unit's spent nuke fuel
TOKYO, April 13, Kyodo

Some of the spent nuclear fuel rods stored in the No. 4 reactor building of the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi power plant were confirmed to be damaged, but most of them are believed to be in sound condition, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday.

The firm known as TEPCO said its analysis of a 400-milliliter water sample taken Tuesday from the No. 4 unit's spent nuclear fuel pool revealed the damage to some fuel rods in such a pool for the first time, as it detected higher-than-usual levels of radioactive iodine-131, cesium-134 and cesium-137.

The No. 4 reactor, halted for a regular inspection before last month's earthquake and tsunami disaster, had all of its fuel rods stored in the pool for the maintenance work and the fuel was feared to have sustained damage from overheating.

The roof and the upper walls of the No. 4 reactor building have been blown away by a hydrogen explosion and damaged by fires since the disaster struck the plant. The water level in the spent fuel pool is believed to have temporarily dropped.

Earlier in the day, the government's nuclear regulatory agency ordered TEPCO to check the quake resistance of reactor buildings at the Fukushima plant, which have been rocked by strong aftershocks from the magnitude-9.0 earthquake that wrecked the site and triggered tsunami on March 11.

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency told the utility to immediately examine the buildings and consider reinforcement work if they are judged as not sufficiently quakeproof.

In addition to the No. 4 unit, the Nos. 1 and 3 reactor buildings have also been severely damaged by hydrogen explosions in the early days of the crisis.

''As strong aftershocks occur almost daily, we have to consider what will happen to buildings already damaged by blasts,'' said Hidehiko Nishiyama, a spokesman for the nuclear agency.

He acknowledged the difficulties involved in the work to reinforce the quake resistance of the buildings, where radiation levels are high, but said, ''We must devise some ways.'' The agency urged TEPCO to report back to it on the matter as soon as possible.

Meanwhile, Yoko Komiyama, senior vice minister of health, labor and welfare, said Wednesday at a Diet session that a total of 22 workers at the plant have been exposed to radiation exceeding 100 millisieverts as of midnight Tuesday and that the highest level of exposure among them is 198.24 millisieverts.

Exposure to 100 millisieverts is the legal limit for nuclear plant workers dealing with an emergency, but the limit has been raised to 250 millisieverts for the ongoing crisis.

Workers continued Wednesday to remove highly radioactive water in the plant as part of efforts to put an end to the emergency, which is now acknowledged as one of the world's worst nuclear disasters.

TEPCO kept pumping out highly polluted water from an underground tunnel-like trench to a nearby storage area inside the No. 2 reactor's building.

The operation began Tuesday evening and an estimated 600 tons of tainted water was moved to a ''condenser,'' where in normal operations steam from the reactor is converted into water, by around 5 p.m. Wednesday. TEPCO aims to transfer a total of 700 tons of polluted water by Thursday.

Eventually, the operator plans to remove a total of 60,000 tons of contaminated water, found in the basements of the Nos. 1 to 3 reactor turbine buildings as well as the trenches connected to them, and to store it in nearby tanks and other areas.

Nishiyama said that as a result of the operation, the level of highly radioactive water that had been filling up the trench connected to the No. 2 reactor's turbine building was lowered by 8 centimeters by 11 a.m. Wednesday. He added that it will likely take several weeks before the tainted water removal operation ends.

The toxic water is believed to originate from the No. 2 reactor's core, where fuel rods have partially melted. The water, which has also affected other parts of the plant, is hampering efforts to restore the reactors' key cooling functions, lost in the March 11 earthquake and tsunami.

The nuclear agency also said TEPCO has installed three steel sheets near a seawater intake for the No. 2 reactor and set up ''silt fence'' curtain barriers near intakes for the Nos. 3-4 reactors at the six-reactor plant to block the spread of radioactive substances in water.

Massive amounts of water have been poured into the reactors and their spent nuclear fuel pools as a stopgap measure to cool them down at the Fukushima plant.

But pools of contaminated water have been detected in various parts of the nuclear complex on the Pacific coast, with some water leaking into the sea, as an apparent side effect of the emergency measure. TEPCO successfully stopped the leak of highly radioactive water from a cracked pit on April 6.

==Kyodo
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 15:24:18 #78
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1s.gif Op woensdag 13 april 2011 15:20 schreef DDDDDaaf het volgende:
Wat moet ik me bij die Duitse "eco towns" voorstellen? Welke Duitse steden heeft men daarbij in gedachten?
Om eerlijk te zijn dacht ik aan milieu vriendelijke energie enzo , maar het is een of ander concept voor wijk en stedenbouw , op internet google kwam ik in duitsland uit (2 steden) maar over eco-groene-energie kwam ik zo gauw niks tegen. het concept leent zich volgens mij goed tegen CO2 uitstoot enzo.

Dus eigenlijk heeft het artikel weinig uit te staan met kerncentrales, sorry had het eerst beter moeten uitpluizen(google-en) :@

hier een linkje naar eco-town germany:
http://showcase.homesandc(...)reiburg-germany.html

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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 15:40:07 #79
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NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO seeks to restart No. 3 reactor of nuclear plant in Niigata
TEPCO may resume operations of No. 3 reactor in Niigata
TOKYO, April 13, Kyodo

The chief of Tokyo Electric Power Co. expressed his desire Wednesday to restart by the yearend the operations of the No. 3 nuclear reactor at a Niigata Prefecture nuclear plant damaged by an earthquake that ravaged the prefecture in 2007.

''We would like to begin procedures for the No. 3 reactor by the end of the year,'' President Masataka Shimizu said of the status of the Nos. 2, 3 and 4 reactors that have been suspended since the 2007 temblor.

TEPCO ''would like to operate the reactor while deploying power-source vehicles and implementing measures to withstand tsunamis,'' he told a news conference, indicating the company will reinforce the reactor building to prepare for possible further earthquakes.

The Kashizawaki-Kariwa nuclear plant, fitted with a total of seven reactors, was hit by the magnitude-6.8 temblor on July 16, 2007.

TEPCO said in a 2007 report the plant developed a total of 50 cases of radioactive water leaks, fire at its transformer and other problems as a result of the 2007 quake.

Shimizu remained noncommittal on the fate of the Higashidori nuclear power plant which TEPCO is now building in Higashidori, Aomori Prefecture.

==Kyodo
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 15:56:46 #80
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1s.gif Op woensdag 13 april 2011 09:38 schreef SeLang het volgende:

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De omgeving van Chernobyl heeft nu ook opeens weer allerlei diersoorten die daar allang waren uitgestorven.
Ja precies. De mens legt meer druk op de natuur dan de straling.
  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 18:46:33 #81
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 19:13:05 #82
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Excessive radioactive cesium found in fish caught off Fukushima
TOKYO, April 13, Kyodo

Radioactive cesium 25 times above the legal limit for consumption was detected Wednesday in young sand lance caught off Fukushima Prefecture, the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare said.

One of the sample fish had a level of cesium of 12,500 becquerels per kilogram about 500 meters off the city of Iwaki, and 35 kilometers from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station, it said. The limit is 500 becquerels under the Food Sanitation Law.

==Kyodo
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quote:
De titel dekt de lading niet helemaal, nav eerdere metingen beweren de wetenschappers in het filmpje dat de eerdere explosie nucleair van aard kan zijn geweest en geen waterstofexplosie.

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Using ratios of the radionuclides Xenon 133 and Xenon 133m which they measured by gamma spectrometer, the Russians demonstrated that the Chernobyl explosion was a fission criticality explosion and not principally a hydrogen explosion as has been claimed.

Dr. Busby told Alex Jones that short of actual isotope readings, he cannot definitely state that the explosions at Fukushima were nuclear, although he believes they were. "We don't have evidence of that," he concluded, "we would need to have the Xenon isotope ratios."
http://www.infowars.com/t(...)ce-atomic-explosion/
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1s.gif Op woensdag 13 april 2011 09:38 schreef SeLang het volgende:

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De omgeving van Chernobyl heeft nu ook opeens weer allerlei diersoorten die daar allang waren uitgestorven.
Welke diersoorten?
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1s.gif Op woensdag 13 april 2011 19:32 schreef MaGNeT het volgende:

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Welke diersoorten?
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rare species, such as lynx, Przewalski's horses, and eagle owls, are thriving where most humans fear to tread.
http://news.nationalgeogr(...)60426_chernobyl.html
Tja, als de mens er wegtrekt , vrij logisch. -O-
Maar wat gebeurt er met die dieren ?

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Surprisingly, there are few data on the abundance of animals in relation to radiation, and there have been no efforts to extensively census invertebrates in relation to radiation.
http://rsbl.royalsocietyp(...)29-92bb-d0136c8be211
Maar gelukkig is er DNA.

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"What we have discovered is that when we look at the species in Chernobyl, we can predict, based on their substitution rates, which ones are most vulnerable to contaminants."

Brightly coloured birds and birds that have a long distance migration were some of the organisms most likely to be affected by contaminants.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11023530
Deze b.v. ?

The sooty shearwaters' migration routes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5242360.stm
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We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 21:12:13 #86
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Black swans matter
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quote:
1s.gif Op woensdag 13 april 2011 19:32 schreef MaGNeT het volgende:

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Welke diersoorten?
Onder andere lynxen, beren, oehoe's en de grote zilverreiger
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  woensdag 13 april 2011 @ 21:29:05 #87
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Planning tweede kerncentrale in Nederland gaat door
Uitgegeven: 13 april 2011 17:26
Laatst gewijzigd: 13 april 2011 18:46

DEN HAAG - Het kabinet gaat door met de inplanning van een tweede kerncentrale. Dat heeft minister Verhagen van Economische Zaken gezegd in de marge van een Duits-Nederlands ondernemersforum in Berlijn tijdens het staatsbezoek van Koningin Beatrix.

© ANPHet besluit ter goedkeuring van de ruimtelijke inplanning wordt vandaag naar de Tweede Kamer gestuurd.

Verhagen wees erop dat lessen uit de gebeurtenissen in Japan een rol zullen spelen bij de concrete eisen die aan een nieuwe kerncentrale zullen worden gesteld, omdat veiligheid en zorgvuldigheid voorop moeten staan.

Volgens het Kabinet moet de kans op een ernstig ongeval met een kerncentrale kleiner zijn dan een keer in de miljoen jaar.

Sluiten

Verhagen wil het proces ter voorbereiding van een nieuwe kerncentrale niet stilleggen. Duitsland wil 7 van de 17 kerncentrales sluiten. De rest staat onder curatele tot een hernieuw onderzoek naar de veiligheidsrisicos is afgerond. Dat rapport wordt half juni verwacht. Verhagen zegt deze uitkomsten zeker te willen meenemen en bestuderen.

Maar ieder land moet uiteindelijk zelf zijn afweging blijven maken. Ook het Internationaal Atoom Agentschap in Wenen, IAEA, komt met nieuwe analyses.

Eén centrale

Borssele biedt volgens Verhagen, die een onderzoek liet uitvoeren door ingenieursbureau Arcadis, plaats aan slechts één nieuwe kerncentrale.

Op dit moment hebben twee bedrijven, Delta en ERH, kenbaar gemaakt een nieuwe kerncentrale in Borssele te willen bouwen. ERH is in handen van voormalige aandeelhouders van energiebedrijf Essent, Delta is de eigenaar van de bestaande kerncentrale in de Zeeuwse plaats.

Verhagen zegt dat de overheid geen voorkeur heeft voor een van de energiebedrijven. Eind vorig jaar liet Verhagen weten te onderzoeken of het ruimtelijk mogelijk is de beide aanvragen te honoreren.

© NU.nl/ANP
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  † In Memoriam † donderdag 14 april 2011 @ 00:45:34 #88
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1s.gif Op woensdag 13 april 2011 15:21 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
TEPCO confirms damage to part of No. 4 unit's spent nuke fuel

No shit!



Een hele maand hebben ze daarvoor nodig gehad. :D

Anyhoe, volgens Gundersen komt daar nog steeds het grootste gevaar vandaan.

  donderdag 14 april 2011 @ 12:03:37 #89
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Japan continues to struggle to remove highly toxic water at plant
TOKYO, April 14, Kyodo

The difficult task of removing highly radioactive water at the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant continued Thursday, with the level of polluted water in the plant's underground trench found to be edging up again that morning after some 660 tons were pumped out.

The removal of some 60,000 tons of contaminated water from the basements of the Nos. 1 to 3 reactor turbine buildings as well as trenches connected to them is vital, as the water is hampering work to restore key cooling functions of the reactors lost in the March 11 killer earthquake and ensuing tsunami.

Plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. pumped out about 660 tons of highly radioactive water Tuesday and Wednesday from one of the trenches to a ''condenser'' inside the nearby No. 2 reactor turbine building, where in normal operations steam from the reactor is converted into water.

But the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said that the water level at the vertical part of the trench as of 7 a.m. Thursday had increased by about 3.5 centimeters from the level observed at 6 p.m. Wednesday.

The level of the water is 2.5 centimeters lower than just before the water-transferring mission started.

Hidehiko Nishiyama, the agency's spokesman, said that the rise in the water level is likely linked to the continued injection of water injection into the No. 2 reactor core, which is necessary to prevent the nuclear fuel inside from overheating.

''As there is believed to be around 20,000 tons of water (in the No. 2 reactor turbine building and the trench connected to it), we feel the difficulty of lowering the level of the water in a stable manner,'' he said.

Tokyo Electric, known as TEPCO, is preparing to transfer more of the highly radioactive water into a facility for nuclear waste disposal in the plant, which can accommodate 30,000 tons of liquid.

The water in and around the No. 2 reactor turbine building is believed to contain higher concentrations of radioactive substances than other contaminated water found at the site, and is believed to originate from the No. 2 reactor's core, where fuel rods have partially melted.

TEPCO also started looking into how to check the quake resistance of already heavily damaged reactor buildings at the site in line with an order issued Wednesday by the government's nuclear regulatory agency, in light of strong aftershocks from the March 11 quake.

The agency has told the utility to immediately examine the buildings and consider reinforcement work if they are judged as not sufficiently quakeproof.

TEPCO, however, has said that it cannot ''immediately conduct an investigation'' unless it confirms the safety of areas where checkups will be conducted.

To enhance preparation for tsunami waves triggered by aftershocks and other emergency situations, emergency diesel power or vehicle-mounted power sources are to be placed at higher ground, while backup units for water injection to the troubled Nos. 1 to 3 reactors are expected to be installed, according to the nuclear agency.

==Kyodo
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  donderdag 14 april 2011 @ 13:44:51 #90
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Kyodo brengt het nieuws net zo klote als CNN: een zooi losse 1 regelige paragrafen die onderlinkg totaal niet op elkaar aansluiten. Het verschil is dat het Kyodo nieuws inhoudelijk wel klopt.
  donderdag 14 april 2011 @ 14:22:32 #91
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Onwetendheid is kracht
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1s.gif Op donderdag 14 april 2011 13:44 schreef gebrokenglas het volgende:
Kyodo brengt het nieuws net zo klote als CNN: een zooi losse 1 regelige paragrafen die onderlinkg totaal niet op elkaar aansluiten. Het verschil is dat het Kyodo nieuws inhoudelijk wel klopt.
Ik ben het met je eens, het leest echt verschrikkelijk..
Bijna onleesbaar. Leesonvriendelijk..
Ik kom niet ver in ieder geval. En moet er maar van uit gaan dat het een beetje minder gevaarlijk is geworden. Alhoewel ik me zeer afvraag of dat nou het geval is. In ieder geval hoop ik niet dat het nog een gevaar gaat opleveren voor ons. In welke vorm dan ook. Geimporteerd voedsel liever ook niet.

Maar ja zo ver lijkt het niet te zijn gekomen..
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1s.gif Op donderdag 14 april 2011 14:22 schreef CaptainHindsight het volgende:

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:|W
wat mot je?
  † In Memoriam † donderdag 14 april 2011 @ 19:41:51 #94
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  donderdag 14 april 2011 @ 19:47:22 #95
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Dat is dezelfde "expert" die kortgeleden nog zei dat het allemaal wel meeviel en we ons vooral geen zorgen hoefden te maken omdat de ramp klein was en niet erger kon worden...
censuur :O
  † In Memoriam † donderdag 14 april 2011 @ 21:28:48 #96
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1s.gif Op donderdag 14 april 2011 19:47 schreef RemcoDelft het volgende:

[..]

Dat is dezelfde "expert" die kortgeleden nog zei dat het allemaal wel meeviel en we ons vooral geen zorgen hoefden te maken omdat de ramp klein was en niet erger kon worden...
Ik denk dat je in de war bent met iemand anders. Gundersen heeft juist steeds gezegd dat het onderschat werd en potentieel Tsernobyl gemakkelijk kon overtreffen.
  vrijdag 15 april 2011 @ 01:39:05 #97
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Meer straling in grondwater Fukushima I
Uitgegeven: 14 april 2011 19:50
Laatst gewijzigd: 14 april 2011 19:49

TOKIO - Het grondwater in de omgeving van de gehavende Japanse kerncentrale Fukushima I is besmet geraakt. De hoeveelheid radioactief jodium en cesium is de afgelopen week fors toegenomen.

© ANPWaarschijnlijk sijpelt water uit de reactoren de bodem in. Dat heeft energiebedrijf Tepco, eigenaar van het complex, donderdag laten weten aan het Japanse persbureau Kyodo.

De concentratie cesium-134 in het grondwater werd in een week tijd bijna veertig keer zo hoog. Het jodium-131-peil steeg in dezelfde periode met een factor vijf.

De kernreactoren van Fukushima I raakten zwaar beschadigd bij de aardbeving en de daaropvolgende tsunami, die Japan meer dan een maand geleden troffen.

Straling lekt en veel omwonenden zijn geëvacueerd. Reddingswerkers zijn er nog altijd niet in geslaagd de centrale onder controle te krijgen.
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  vrijdag 15 april 2011 @ 01:40:26 #98
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En hier het kyodo artikel :

Groundwater radiation level at nuke plant rises: TEPCO
TOKYO, April 15, Kyodo

The concentration levels of radioactive iodine and cesium in groundwater near the troubled Nos. 1 and 2 reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant have increased up to several dozen times in one week, suggesting that toxic water has seeped from nearby reactor turbine buildings or elsewhere, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Thursday.

The announcement came as the plant operator continued to grapple with pools of highly radioactive water found on the plant's premises, with the level of polluted water filling an underground trench edging up again after the company finished pumping out around 660 tons of water.

According to the latest findings, a groundwater sample taken April 6 near the No. 1 reactor turbine building showed radioactive iodine-131 of 72 becquerels per cubic meter, with the concentration level growing to 400 becquerels as of Wednesday. The concentration level of cesium-134 increased from 1.4 becquerels to 53 becquerels.

The government's nuclear regulatory agency said it had ordered the utility firm known as TEPCO to enhance monitoring of groundwater inside the plant, which is located on the Pacific coast.

A total of around 60,000 tons of contaminated water is believed to be flooding the basements of the Nos. 1 to 3 reactor turbine buildings as well as trenches connected to them, and the water is hampering work to restore the cooling functions of the reactors lost since the March 11 earthquake and ensuing tsunami.

The pools of contaminated water are believed to be a side effect of TEPCO's emergency efforts to continue injecting water into the reactors and their spent nuclear fuel pools from outside to cool them down.

TEPCO pumped out around 660 tons of highly radioactive water Tuesday and Wednesday from one of the trenches to a ''condenser'' inside the nearby No. 2 reactor turbine building, where during normal operation steam from the reactor is converted into water.

But the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said the water level in the vertical part of the trench as of 11 a.m. Thursday had increased by about 4.5 centimeters from the level observed at 6 p.m. Wednesday.

The level of the water is now only 1.5 centimeters lower than shortly before the water-transfer mission started at 7:35 p.m. Tuesday.

Hidehiko Nishiyama, the agency's spokesman, told a press conference Thursday morning that the rise in the water level is likely linked to the continued injection of water into the No. 2 reactor core, which is necessary to prevent the nuclear fuel inside from overheating.

''As there is believed to be around 20,000 tons of water (in the No. 2 reactor turbine building and the trench connected to it), we're feeling the difficulty of lowering the level of the water in a stable manner,'' he said.

TEPCO is preparing to transfer more of the highly radioactive water into a facility for nuclear waste disposal at the plant, which can accommodate 30,000 tons of liquid.

Work is under way to ensure that the facility will be able to contain highly radioactive water safely without fear of the stored liquid leaking outside, but Nishiyama told the press conference that he was not sure when it would end.

The water in and around the No. 2 reactor turbine building is believed to contain higher concentrations of radioactive substances than other contaminated water found at the site, and is believed to originate from the No. 2 reactor's core, where fuel rods have partially melted.

The agency decided to remove water from the trench first as it feared that the water inside the trench would overflow and leak into the Pacific Ocean.

TEPCO also started looking into how to check the quake resistance of already heavily damaged reactor buildings at the site in line with an order issued Wednesday by the nuclear regulatory agency, in light of a series of strong aftershocks of the March 11 quake.

The agency has told the utility to immediately examine the buildings and consider reinforcement work if they are judged as not sufficiently quakeproof.

TEPCO, however, has said that it cannot ''immediately conduct an investigation'' unless it confirms the safety of areas where checks will be conducted.

To enhance preparation for tsunami waves triggered by aftershocks and other emergency situations, emergency diesel power generators and vehicle-mounted power sources are to be placed on higher ground, while backup units for water injection at the troubled Nos. 1 to 3 reactors are expected to be installed, according to the nuclear agency.

Meanwhile, concern grew over the state of the No. 3 reactor at one point, as the agency said in the afternoon that the temperature of part of its reactor pressure vessel was found to be rising suddenly.

But TEPCO officials said the data were likely due to a glitch in a measuring instrument, because other temperature data related to the vessel has not shown a similar rise.

==Kyodo
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  vrijdag 15 april 2011 @ 10:01:09 #99
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Ik krijg vaag het idee dat het zo een beetje blijft: reactor gebouwen die door de straling de eerstkomende maanden niet meer te betreden zijn, en dat er een beetje gekoeld wordt met water van bovenaf?!?
  vrijdag 15 april 2011 @ 16:12:49 #100
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GAU IM KINDERZIMMER
Lego verkauft „Fukushima“-Figuren

Lego-Sprecherin Helena Seppelfricke (31) zu BILD: „Die Figur ist seit April 2011 auf dem Markt, wurde aber schon vor mehr als einem Jahr entwickelt. Im Zusammenhang mit der Japan-Katastrophe haben wir unsere Produktpalette sofort überprüft. Unsere japanischen Kollegen meinten aber, dass die Figuren dort positiv aufgenommen werden. Schließlich handelt es sich ja um Helden.“
http://www.bild.de/news/l(...)g-17425958.bild.html

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