Hoezo er meer stuk is ? Nogal een ravage op de filmpjes !quote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 19:19 schreef MaGNeT het volgende:
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Ik denk dat we over 2-3 dagen een goed beeld hebben.
Ben bang dat er toch meer stuk is en dat het optimisme afneemt.
Ik woon in Spanje, ik weet niet waar die van ons vandaan komt. Maar het is al zo moeilijk te krijgen hier, en als er straks nog een tekort komt...quote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 19:28 schreef Mr.44 het volgende:
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Dat spul wat je koopt komt uit een fabriek hier in Nederland
IDD, elk klein succesje is meegenomen. Dat 5 en 6 nu in ieder geval niet ook haywire zijn gegaan is al heel mooi.quote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 19:33 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Hoezo er meer stuk is ? Nogal een ravage op de filmpjes !![]()
Maar ik vind dat ze geweldig hun best doen en blijf dus voorzichtig optimistisch. Ze hebben al meer bereikt dan ik had durven hopen toen ik de ravage zag.
Na alle voorspellingen van * daar kunnen ze helemaal niks maar aan doen * vind ik het knap dat ze gewoon doorzetten en blijven proberen en nog met wat succes óók. Kleine stapjes in de goede richting in een heel moeilijke situatie.
Ze doen het toch maar die mensen daar !
ik ken geen chinees lezen is er elders nog een bevestiging van?quote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 21:29 schreef krullendoos het volgende:
very high and quickly rising radiation level in Ibaraki prefecture ! www.bousai.ne.jp >2800 nGy/h
engels lukt wel?quote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 21:40 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
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ik ken geen chinees lezen is er elders nog een bevestiging van?
dank maar dat gaat in nano's is dat verontrustend of gewoon wat illegaal lozen van stoomquote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 21:40 schreef EdVe het volgende:
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engels lukt wel?
http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/index.html
Misschien was de meting van dit station eerst niet goed (een blaadje voor de inlaat of zo?). Dit soort waarden worden in de regio al wel langer gemeten. Recente metingen voor de Ibaraki prefectuur vind je hier: http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/speedi/pref.php?id=08quote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 21:28 schreef krullendoos het volgende:
Radiation in Muramatsu Ibaraki prefecture is climbing fast, from 170 to 2066 nGy/h in a few hours. Source: www.bousai.ne.jp
comment by Wolf at 3/20/2011 8:12:08 PM21:12
quote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 22:16 schreef eleusis het volgende:
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Misschien was de meting van dit station eerst niet goed (een blaadje voor de inlaat of zo?). Dit soort waarden worden in de regio al wel langer gemeten. Recente metingen voor de Ibaraki prefectuur vind je hier: http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/speedi/pref.php?id=08
2000nGy/h = 2µGy/s is in ieder geval geen reden tot zorg. Het is 1000 keer lager dan 2mGy/h, wat wel een angstaanjagende waarde zou zijn.
Als er nog 1000 Fukushima's exploderen, zou ik het gebied maar evacueren.
De hele pdf: http://www.fujitsu.com/downloads/MAG/vol44-4/paper05.pdfquote:The System for Prediction of Environmental Emergency Dose Information (SPEEDI)
network system is a computer system capable of rapidly predicting the effect that
radioactive materials will have on the surrounding environment if there is a massive
release of radioactive materials from a nuclear facility.
was het niet iets als 0,9?quote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 22:42 schreef eleusis het volgende:
Je mag wel rekenen met 1 Gy = 1 Sv, dat is de worst case.
Het hangt van de soort straling af. Ik moet bekennen dat ik niet precies weet hoe dat hier zit, want het hangt af van de vrijgekomen stoffen en hun verhoudingen, en dan zou ik eigenlijk ook kernfysicus moeten zijn.quote:
Alle meetpunten zijn in de buurt van nucleaire installaties, omdat het systeem dient om ongelukken in die installaties te monitoren.quote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 21:50 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
zie net ook dat het in recycle feul doet en een expirimentenlab zit
Maar wat yellow send flies betekent???quote:Radiation values measured by the observatory are not zero even during normal time due to because of cosmic rays andnatural radiation from natural radioactive materials in the air on the earth.When it rains, narural radioactive materials such as radon in the air fall down onto the ground.Therefore, measured values temporarily go up.Even when it thunders, yellow send flies, or nondestructive tests with the use of isotopes are conducted nearby,measured values sometimes go up.
--> BNWquote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 23:29 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
Mainstream media halts accurate reporting on Japan's worsening nuclear catastrophe; disinfo campaign now underway
http://www.naturalnews.co(...)e.html#ixzz1HAaCF1UD
Heb gezocht naar de oorspronkelijke japanse tekst, maar inmiddels opgegeven. Wel leuk, google translate.quote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 23:19 schreef eleusis het volgende:
Ik zag het ook al. Daar is de google translate de mist in gegaan.
"Halts"? De internationale media is al sinds het begin van de ramp hysterisch, dramatisch, traag en selectief. In tegenstelling tot Japanse TV die zeer goed werk doet. Ik ben blij dat onze media nu Libië als afleiding hebben.quote:Op zondag 20 maart 2011 23:29 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
Mainstream media halts accurate reporting on Japan's worsening nuclear catastrophe; disinfo campaign now underway
quote:Taking Stock
Now that the crisis at the Fukushima nuclear power plant seems to be heading in a better direction, I hope at some time you and many others in the American news business can look back and evaluate their coverage of the event. From my perspective as a scholar of Japan at a major American universityone who was also in Japan when the quake hit (I left one day later than scheduled on the 13th)I must say that the coverage was, with some exceptions, largely substandard: full of factual errors, misconceptions, and bent towards sensationalism and alarmism. It is very unfortunate that this poor coverage will probably result in many Americans having false conceptions of Japan for years to come.
Accurate, unbiased information is crucial in these crises. I was in Chiba when the first explosion at reactor number 1 took place and the lack of information from TEPCO and the government in the first few hours led to speculation that made all of us in Japan fear for our lives. But information was soon forthcoming that allowed me and all Japanese to more rationally evaluate the situation. There wereand are--still problems with getting information in Japan, but even the Prime Minister has publicly criticized TEPCO for keeping information secret and the Japanese mediaas one can tell from the sometimes painfully long press conferences at TEPCO and elsewhereare largely doing their job and asking the right questions. The national network, NHK, has repeatedly urged the continuous release of certain kinds of information. I believe this has led to significant improvements in the information out there. The Japanese networks continue to bring on specialist reporters and university professors with expertise in nuclear reactors to provide rational analysis and expert commentary.
As a result, the Japanese news coverage has been largely calm, rational, informed, and critical. Some of this is naturally to avoid creating panic, but it has been able to do that because as a whole it has answered many of the questions people have and thus gained a certain level of trust. As a media scholar, I can pick this coverage apart for its problems, and of course point to information that is still not getting out there, but on the whole it is functioning as journalism should.
It also just looks good because there is something so ugly beside it: the non-Japanese coverage. That, I am afraid, has been full of factual errors and other problems. This has not been just Fox News, but also CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and even the New York Times to differing degrees. They get the reactors mixed up or report information that is simply wrong (e.g., writing that the TEPCO workers had fully abandoned the effort to control the plant because of radiation levels when TEPCO had only withdrawn some non-essential personnel). They are perpetually late, continuing to report things the Japanese media had shown to be wrong or different the day before. They are woefully selective, bringing out just the sensational elements ("toxic clouds" over Tokyowhen in fact radiation in Tokyo now is actually less than that in LA on some days). They are misleading (implying for instance that the dumping of water from the air was some last ditch effort to cool the core, when it was just an effort to replenish the water in the spent rod poolswhich are now full in reactor 3 and back to normal temperature). Colleagues have noted problems with European coverage as well, but the difference between media can be obvious:
http://www.japanprobe.com(...)-vs-huffington-post/
I for one cannot understand why ABC, for instance, could feature Michio Kaku multiple times over several days when by the time his declarations of imminent disaster, the situation on the ground had already proven him wrong.
Of course fear sells newspapers, but in unfortunate cases, the coverage is rooted in long-standing prejudices held by some Westerners against the non-West: for instance, a superiority complex that feels only the West and its media have real access to the truth, which led to a downplaying of Japanese media reports. In the worst cases, there has been simple racism, as some reporters when viewing how calm the Japanese are, seem to think the Japanese are mere robots who cannot grasp the immensity of the crisis or, as one colleague reports when a Spanish reporter interviewed her, think that the Japanese are genetically tuned to accept disaster. It is ironic that such reports assume such an attitude when, at the same time through their own inaccuracies, they show how much better the Japanese coverage is.
There are results to this irresponsible journalism. Many foreigners in Japan who do not have the language capabilities to access Japanese media or who are used to foreign media are in a state of panic, when around them Japanese are largely calm. People in California start searching for iodide pills on the internet and there are already people voicing worries about whether Japanese cars are now all going to be radioactive. But worst of all, the inordinate and sensationalist attention given to the reactors by American and other media has taken attention away from where it should be: on the likely nearly 20,000 people who died in the quake and tsunamis, on the nearly 400,000 homeless people, and on the immense suffering this has caused for Japan as a whole. I cannot but think that the low amounts of donations given by Americans to relief efforts is not at least partially the result of this warped coverage.
Some media sources are beginning to criticize this coverage:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi(...)03/18/DDFN1ICTA0.DTL
But there could be a lot more.
TPM has of course done little original reporting on the event, but merely passed on other reports. But when the story it reprinted on the 18th stated that the situation "continues to worsen"even though it clearly had gotten better by that time--it should begin to think about its own responsibility in participating in this media hysteria.
Japanese people and government officials will have to spend many years investigating all that went wrong in this accident. I feel it is likely that many at TEPCO and in the government will be found at fault for inadequate preparation, overly optimistic projections, willful ignorance, and just plain lying to the public. This will be an investigation in which the Japanese media will play an important part. But the non-Japanese media should also look at itself and see where it went wrongso that it can better prepare for a similar accident which, unfortunately, is not altogether impossible in the United States as well.
Die stem van presentator Alex Jonesquote:
Soms heel interessant maar uhm, hij schreeuwt nog wel eens zullen we maar zeggenquote:
Niks aan af te dingen.quote:Japanese people and government officials will have to spend many years investigating all that went wrong in this accident. I feel it is likely that many at TEPCO and in the government will be found at fault for inadequate preparation, overly optimistic projections, willful ignorance, and just plain lying to the public. This will be an investigation in which the Japanese media will play an important part. But the non-Japanese media should also look at itself and see where it went wrongso that it can better prepare for a similar accident which, unfortunately, is not altogether impossible in the United States as well.
Hmm, gecombineerd met de webcam lijkt het er op dat ze weer stoom-afblazen om de druk te verlagen.quote:Op maandag 21 maart 2011 08:33 schreef phileine het volgende:
Druk in reactor 3 is toch weer aan het oplopen volgens Volkskrant.
slaap lekker danquote:Op maandag 21 maart 2011 09:24 schreef MaGNeT het volgende:
Lijkt erop dat ik zo'n beetje de laatste webcam-afbeelding had, ligt al een uur plat...
Ik ga nog ff slapen... Geen slaap gehad vanacht, grieperig en veel hoesten
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